Guest guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 Namaste: In my experience, Maa and Swami want us to demonstrate our sincerity and commitment to the spiritual path. They do not want us to say: " I love you " , and bow to them, then return to our " normal " worldly life. They want us to demonstrate in every action that we desire the highest realization, then, when we ask for help, they are 200% present for us, and will move Heaven and Earth to help us reach our goal. To be a disciple, we have to be disciplined, to be focused and sincere: one pointed and purpose driven. In this world of instant gratification, where we pay a fee and can get whatever we want, Maa and Swami represent the axiom: " actions speak louder than words. " You cannot buy their attention, cannot win them over with sweet words. They respond to a focused mind and heart, filled with the zeal of one who knows what they want. In the 13 years I have known them, I have observed hundreds fall at their feet, expressing undying love, and yet after 1-2 visits, I never see them again. But those who give their best, those who try and stumble and fall, but rise and try again-whether rich or poor, near or far, Maa and Swami always give these devotees their Divine Love and Attention. I thank God that She has incarnated on this Earth to help us. She has answered our prayers and incarnated - now we just try our best, and She will always be there for us. I draw inspiration from all my brothers and sisters in this Divine Club, who daily demonstrate that their cries to Maa and Swami are answered, and their lives have been enriched by their Divine Presence. With love Jai Maa Jai Swami vishweshwar , Venkat Machiraju <venkatmachiraju65 wrote: > > > superb! > > > > > bmarley343 > Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:05:53 -0500 > Re: [www.ShreeMaa.org] The sixteen initiations namaste lance, here are some wonderful gems that swamij said about initiations. some great wisdom to contemplate. > > What is the purpose of initiation? Why is it necessary? > Swamiji: You take initiation to solidify your inspiration, clarify your path, define your > curriculum, and define and acknowledge your example that you want to follow. And then, in that relationship between a disciple and a Guru, when we have taken initiation and we have determined, acknowledged, clarified, ratified, and proclaimed loudly before God in Guru, " that's the example I want to follow. " Then there is no more hesitation, no more questioning should I go this way or should I go that way. There is no more doubt. There is no more " Maybe I should go see this Guru or maybe I should see that. " There is no tourism. All the wandering stops and we start making the journey. > > There is a difference between a wanderer and a traveler. A wanderer goes sightseeing according to the convenience of the journey but the traveler knows the destination and traveler knows the path. The traveler doesn't waste time. She merely proceeds along the path until She reaches destination and that is what initiation means to our lives. If we find that relationship and we really truly decide to be initiated, we take the initiation. Initiation is not given; Gurus do not make disciples. Disciples make Gurus. A disciple will come and say, " That's the example I want to follow. This is what I want to be like. Those are the qualities I want to inculcate and implement into my way of being. Now where do I start? Can you suggest to me how I become more like your example? > > That is called diksha. Disciples take diksha; Gurus do not give it and they certainly can't give diksha for money. We don't want your money, we want your entire life. What good is a $100 fee or whatever it is these days. What good is the fee when I want your entire life? If you want to be a disciple, you will want to reflect the values of the Guru, the bhava, the attitude, the ways of prosecuting the functions of life. > > Many people write to me asking if they can come and take diskha. Hello! What do you mean you are going to come and take diksha? How are you going to do that? You do not even know me! Come and make yourself into a disciple and then you will have had diksha. > > > > it's not necessarily a formal initiation? > Swamiji: It's both. It's on every level. On every level of initiation that you can get you are > getting a very, very intensive level of initiation right now, if you understand. And if you're not understanding it I can whisper it in your ear and maybe you'll understand a little more. And maybe if Maa blows in your ear, you'll hear it a little better. And maybe if we do the entire 16 articles offering and the whole puja and give you the mantra, maybe you'll understand it a little better. But if you understand, you've taken the initiation. > > There are many many levels of initiation – diksha. And the idea is not that I have to have the mantra presented to me in a certain way. What kind of surrender is that on the part of a disciple? How can the disciple tell the Guru " I want diksha this way, just like the other Gurus give it? " You'll sit on a throne and you'll shout it into a microphone and everybody comes and bows down. They often give mass initiations in India that way to thousands of people at a time. You can get initiation that way from the Ramakrishna Mission. You can get initiation from Bharat Seva Ashram. In this way, many organizations give mass initiations through microphone and then people line up single file and they have been initiated by an organization. For us, initiation is a personal relationship between a Guru and a disciple where the Guru speaks to my heart. And I know if I've been initiated or not. I don't need a certificate. I know if I heard that in my heart or if I'm just listening to another speech. I know! And everyone else will know when they see the change in my behavior as a consequence of my taking this new knowledge. They'll know. There's no other need for formal recognition. Now, for those who have a need for formal recognition, there are so many ways to get formally recognized. You are the most humblest of all the devotees but you want a certificate? I've got a certificate maker on my computer, we can make you any certificate you like. So yes, on every level, there is an initiation. > > > > > > > lanceroehrig <lanceroehrig > > Thu, Mar 11, 2010 10:50 pm > [www.ShreeMaa.org] The sixteen initiations Namaste friends, > > I am new and excited to have found such a place! > > I was wondering if one could explain the 16 initiations, more specifically just the first 2, guru mantra and japa mantra and what are the steps in doing these? Where might a little more information be found on the others? > > thank you to my new community. > > Jai Ma Guru! Jai Shiva! > > Lance > _______________ > Take your contacts everywhere > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712959 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 Whoa! Brother Vish! Where have you been? Nice to hear from you again. Your voice has been noticably silent for a while. Peace to you, and hope you are well. sal. , " inspectionconnection108 " <inspectionconnection108 wrote: > > > Namaste: In my experience, Maa and Swami want us to demonstrate our sincerity and commitment to the spiritual path. They do not want us to say: " I love you " , and bow to them, then return to our " normal " worldly life. They want us to demonstrate in every action that we desire the highest realization, then, when we ask for help, they are 200% present for us, and will move Heaven and Earth to help us reach our goal. > To be a disciple, we have to be disciplined, to be focused and sincere: one pointed and purpose driven. > In this world of instant gratification, where we pay a fee and can get whatever we want, Maa and Swami represent the axiom: " actions speak louder than words. " > You cannot buy their attention, cannot win them over with sweet words. They respond to a focused mind and heart, filled with the zeal of one who knows what they want. > In the 13 years I have known them, I have observed hundreds fall at their feet, expressing undying love, and yet after 1-2 visits, I never see them again. > But those who give their best, those who try and stumble and fall, but rise and try again-whether rich or poor, near or far, Maa and Swami always give these devotees their Divine Love and Attention. > I thank God that She has incarnated on this Earth to help us. She has answered our prayers and incarnated - now we just try our best, and She will always be there for us. > I draw inspiration from all my brothers and sisters in this Divine Club, who daily demonstrate that their cries to Maa and Swami are answered, and their lives have been enriched by their Divine Presence. > > With love > Jai Maa Jai Swami > > vishweshwar > > > > , Venkat Machiraju <venkatmachiraju65@> wrote: > > > > > > superb! > > > > > > > > > > bmarley343@ > > Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:05:53 -0500 > > Re: [www.ShreeMaa.org] The sixteen initiations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > namaste lance, here are some wonderful gems that swamij said about initiations. some great wisdom to contemplate. > > > > What is the purpose of initiation? Why is it necessary? > > Swamiji: You take initiation to solidify your inspiration, clarify your path, define your > > curriculum, and define and acknowledge your example that you want to follow. And then, in that relationship between a disciple and a Guru, when we have taken initiation and we have determined, acknowledged, clarified, ratified, and proclaimed loudly before God in Guru, " that's the example I want to follow. " Then there is no more hesitation, no more questioning should I go this way or should I go that way. There is no more doubt. There is no more " Maybe I should go see this Guru or maybe I should see that. " There is no tourism. All the wandering stops and we start making the journey. > > > > There is a difference between a wanderer and a traveler. A wanderer goes sightseeing according to the convenience of the journey but the traveler knows the destination and traveler knows the path. The traveler doesn't waste time. She merely proceeds along the path until She reaches destination and that is what initiation means to our lives. If we find that relationship and we really truly decide to be initiated, we take the initiation. Initiation is not given; Gurus do not make disciples. Disciples make Gurus. A disciple will come and say, " That's the example I want to follow. This is what I want to be like. Those are the qualities I want to inculcate and implement into my way of being. Now where do I start? Can you suggest to me how I become more like your example? > > > > That is called diksha. Disciples take diksha; Gurus do not give it and they certainly can't give diksha for money. We don't want your money, we want your entire life. What good is a $100 fee or whatever it is these days. What good is the fee when I want your entire life? If you want to be a disciple, you will want to reflect the values of the Guru, the bhava, the attitude, the ways of prosecuting the functions of life. > > > > Many people write to me asking if they can come and take diskha. Hello! What do you mean you are going to come and take diksha? How are you going to do that? You do not even know me! Come and make yourself into a disciple and then you will have had diksha. > > > > > > > > it's not necessarily a formal initiation? > > Swamiji: It's both. It's on every level. On every level of initiation that you can get you are > > getting a very, very intensive level of initiation right now, if you understand. And if you're not understanding it I can whisper it in your ear and maybe you'll understand a little more. And maybe if Maa blows in your ear, you'll hear it a little better. And maybe if we do the entire 16 articles offering and the whole puja and give you the mantra, maybe you'll understand it a little better. But if you understand, you've taken the initiation. > > > > There are many many levels of initiation – diksha. And the idea is not that I have to have the mantra presented to me in a certain way. What kind of surrender is that on the part of a disciple? How can the disciple tell the Guru " I want diksha this way, just like the other Gurus give it? " You'll sit on a throne and you'll shout it into a microphone and everybody comes and bows down. They often give mass initiations in India that way to thousands of people at a time. You can get initiation that way from the Ramakrishna Mission. You can get initiation from Bharat Seva Ashram. In this way, many organizations give mass initiations through microphone and then people line up single file and they have been initiated by an organization. For us, initiation is a personal relationship between a Guru and a disciple where the Guru speaks to my heart. And I know if I've been initiated or not. I don't need a certificate. I know if I heard that in my heart or if I'm just listening to another speech. I know! And everyone else will know when they see the change in my behavior as a consequence of my taking this new knowledge. They'll know. There's no other need for formal recognition. Now, for those who have a need for formal recognition, there are so many ways to get formally recognized. You are the most humblest of all the devotees but you want a certificate? I've got a certificate maker on my computer, we can make you any certificate you like. So yes, on every level, there is an initiation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lanceroehrig <lanceroehrig@> > > > > Thu, Mar 11, 2010 10:50 pm > > [www.ShreeMaa.org] The sixteen initiations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > I am new and excited to have found such a place! > > > > I was wondering if one could explain the 16 initiations, more specifically just the first 2, guru mantra and japa mantra and what are the steps in doing these? Where might a little more information be found on the others? > > > > thank you to my new community. > > > > Jai Ma Guru! Jai Shiva! > > > > Lance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > Take your contacts everywhere > > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712959 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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