Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 vikrant, can i have the address of the pious person rgds binodeVikrant <free_for_blue wrote: i have done a indepth study of indian tantra from many years now and i have personally found that Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali Ji is the biggest greatest and most powerfull guru of indian tantra mantra and sadhanas in the whole world... we indians are really fortunate to have such a great powerfull guru in india... the greatness of gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali Ji is way beyond words... the greatest guru of all times... Vikrant binode kripalani numerologist 9831664581(Kolkata) binodeuk binode_kripalani Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 he is a long dead person and whether he had siddhis or not I cannot vouch. But I do know that his sons are running some sort of ashram where siddhis are sold by the kilo. How effective I do not know. But I would not personally touch that place with a barge pole.Menon sacred-objects From: binnumeroDate: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 01:03:12 +0100Re: the greatest guru of all times vikrant,can i have the address of the pious personrgdsbinodeVikrant <free_for_blue > wrote: i have done a indepth study of indian tantra from many years now and i have personally found that Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali Ji is the biggest greatest and most powerfull guru of indian tantra mantra and sadhanas in the whole world... we indians are really fortunate to have such a great powerfull guru in india... the greatness of gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali Ji is way beyond words... the greatest guru of all times... Vikrantbinode kripalaninumerologist 9831664581(Kolkata)binodeuk (AT) hotmail (DOT) combinode_kripalani Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. WL Messenger : Stay connected to friends and family with the New . Get it now. Try it now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 Also, are siddhis and accomplishments in those arts an indication of one being "the greatest Guru of all times" ?--- On Sun, 6/22/08, Kochu Menon <kochu1 wrote: Kochu Menon <kochu1RE: the greatest guru of all timessacred-objects Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 5:36 AM he is a long dead person and whether he had siddhis or not I cannot vouch. But I do know that his sons are running some sort of ashram where siddhis are sold by the kilo. How effective I do not know. But I would not personally touch that place with a barge pole.Menon sacred-objectsbinnumero (AT) (DOT) co.inSun, 22 Jun 2008 01:03:12 +0100Re: the greatest guru of all times vikrant,can i have the address of the pious personrgdsbinodeVikrant <free_for_blue@ > wrote: i have done a indepth study of indian tantra from many years now and i have personally found that Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali Ji is the biggest greatest and most powerfull guru of indian tantra mantra and sadhanas in the whole world... we indians are really fortunate to have such a great powerfull guru in india... the greatness of gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali Ji is way beyond words... the greatest guru of all times... Vikrantbinode kripalaninumerologist 9831664581(Kolkata)binodeuk (AT) hotmail (DOT) combinode_kripalani@ Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. WL Messenger : Stay connected to friends and family with the New . Get it now. Try it now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 How can anyone, other than Bhagavan, possibly be " the greatest guru of all time " ? For a start, ALL TIME is not yet over! Besides, Late Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali is just author of a few tiny books on gemology, like so many before and after him. He is hardly even significant, what to speak of NOT being GREATEST GURU OF ALL TIME. Absurd! sacred-objects , Janardana Dasa <lightdweller wrote: > > Also, are siddhis and accomplishments in those arts an indication of one being " the greatest Guru of all times " ? > > --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Kochu Menon <kochu1 wrote: > > Kochu Menon <kochu1 > RE: the greatest guru of all times > sacred-objects > Sunday, June 22, 2008, 5:36 AM he is a long dead person and whether he had siddhis or not I cannot vouch. But I do know that his sons are running some sort of ashram where siddhis are sold by the kilo. How effective I do not know. But I would not personally touch that place with a barge pole. > > Menon > > > > > sacred-objects > binnumero (AT) (DOT) co.in > Sun, 22 Jun 2008 01:03:12 +0100 > Re: the greatest guru of all times > > > > > vikrant, > can i have the address of the pious person > rgds > binode > > Vikrant <free_for_blue@ > wrote: > i have done a indepth study of indian tantra from many years now and i have personally found that Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali Ji is the biggest greatest and most powerfull guru of indian tantra mantra and sadhanas in the whole world... > > we indians are really fortunate to have such a great powerfull guru in india... > > the greatness of gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali Ji is way beyond words... > > the greatest guru of all times... > > > > > > Vikrant > > > > binode kripalani > numerologist 9831664581(Kolkata) > binodeuk (AT) hotmail (DOT) com > binode_kripalani@ > > > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. > > > > > WL Messenger : Stay connected to friends and family with the New . Get it now. Try it now! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 Dear all,In this Era, both Ancient Divinities and Ancient Evils have taken Incarnation. So, it ios hard to say who is who.....Still, insulting a persoanility with no reasonis not a way to discuss anything in a polite , civilised way..Wabout whether Dr. Narayan is a true guru or not, Mr. Vikrant obvioudsly thinks he is but all those against his Guru, do you have any reasons? It would be interesting if you could reason your opinions and not just talk unkindly against a person, especially when he is dead. Also, Vikrant could give us some reasons for his opinion tooAbout whether Dr Narayan is the greatest guru of all, a Guru is the greatest Guru o all for His disciples, as a Deity is the Supreme for all Her/His bhakatas.This is common in Hiundu culture as far as I am aware . Whether he is truly the greatest guru, well the Greatest Guru of All is the Supreme Divinity,the All Pervading Divine Force. That Force Who is the One Guru of All Gurus of All Times. If Dr Narayan is the Full Embodiment of That Force, this is the question....Regards,Dennis sacred-objects From: rsbj66Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:50:22 +0000 Re: the greatest guru of all times How can anyone, other than Bhagavan, possibly be "the greatest guru ofall time"? For a start, ALL TIME is not yet over! Besides, Late Dr.Narayan Dutt Shrimali is just author of a few tiny books on gemology,like so many before and after him. He is hardly even significant, whatto speak of NOT being GREATEST GURU OF ALL TIME. Absurd!sacred-objects , Janardana Dasa<lightdweller wrote:>> Also, are siddhis and accomplishments in those arts an indication ofone being "the greatest Guru of all times" ?> > --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Kochu Menon <kochu1 wrote:> > Kochu Menon <kochu1> RE: the greatest guru of all times> sacred-objects > Sunday, June 22, 2008, 5:36 AM> > > > > > > he is a long dead person and whether he had siddhis or not I cannotvouch. But I do know that his sons are running some sort of ashramwhere siddhis are sold by the kilo. How effective I do not know. But Iwould not personally touch that place with a barge pole.> > Menon> > > > > sacred-objects> binnumero (AT) (DOT) co.in> Sun, 22 Jun 2008 01:03:12 +0100> Re: the greatest guru of all times> > > > > vikrant,> can i have the address of the pious person> rgds> binode> > Vikrant <free_for_blue@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > i have done a indepth study of indian tantra from many years now andi have personally found that Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali Ji is thebiggest greatest and most powerfull guru of indian tantra mantra andsadhanas in the whole world...> > we indians are really fortunate to have such a great powerfull guruin india...> > the greatness of gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali Ji is way beyondwords...> > the greatest guru of all times...> > > > > > Vikrant> > > > binode kripalani> numerologist 9831664581(Kolkata)> binodeuk (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> binode_kripalani@ > > > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. > > > > > WL Messenger : Stay connected to friends and family with the New. Get it now. Try it now!> Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger Get it now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 Dr Dutt Srimali being the " greatest Guru of all time " is so silly. It reminds me of my Gurudev. Once a disciple was with him and the disciple was telling my Guru, " Of all your disciples I am the MOST FALLEN! " My Guru laughed and said, " You're not the MOST of anything. " sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66 wrote: > > How can anyone, other than Bhagavan, possibly be " the greatest guru of > all time " ? For a start, ALL TIME is not yet over! Besides, Late Dr. > Narayan Dutt Shrimali is just author of a few tiny books on gemology, > like so many before and after him. He is hardly even significant, what > to speak of NOT being GREATEST GURU OF ALL TIME. Absurd! > > sacred-objects , Janardana Dasa > <lightdweller@> wrote: > > > > Also, are siddhis and accomplishments in those arts an indication of > one being " the greatest Guru of all times " ? > > > > --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Kochu Menon <kochu1@> wrote: > > > > Kochu Menon <kochu1@> > > RE: the greatest guru of all times > > sacred-objects > > Sunday, June 22, 2008, 5:36 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is a long dead person and whether he had siddhis or not I cannot > vouch. But I do know that his sons are running some sort of ashram > where siddhis are sold by the kilo. How effective I do not know. But I > would not personally touch that place with a barge pole. > > > > Menon > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > binnumero (AT) (DOT) co.in > > Sun, 22 Jun 2008 01:03:12 +0100 > > Re: the greatest guru of all times > > > > > > > > > > vikrant, > > can i have the address of the pious person > > rgds > > binode > > > > Vikrant <free_for_blue@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have done a indepth study of indian tantra from many years now and > i have personally found that Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali Ji is the > biggest greatest and most powerfull guru of indian tantra mantra and > sadhanas in the whole world... > > > > we indians are really fortunate to have such a great powerfull guru > in india... > > > > the greatness of gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali Ji is way beyond > words... > > > > the greatest guru of all times... > > > > > > > > > > > > Vikrant > > > > > > > > binode kripalani > > numerologist 9831664581(Kolkata) > > binodeuk (AT) hotmail (DOT) com > > binode_kripalani@ > > > > > > > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. > > > > > > > > > > WL Messenger : Stay connected to friends and family with the New > . Get it now. Try it now! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Please do not think the persons who wrote on the subject are "against" this or that. That is like bushy declaring to Mushy dear that "if you are not with us, you are gainst us and we will bomb you back to stone age" immediately after 9/11. However have a look at http://www.siddhashram.org/ it is interesting. They promise heaven but there is a price to be paid . i saw it and I had the heartiest laugh. Yes it would be nice to know what all benefits Mr. Vikrant got from siddhashram.org. Whether he ever met srimali in person ever. How he is a disciple of srimali. How many gurus he has. How many mantras he got initiated into etc. etc. before and AFTER he went to siddhashram.org. Anybody can think anything he wants. But he need not push it down anybody's throat. Isn't it funny that these sort of mails surface in many groups periodically sort of advertising this website? Of course no website is mentioned. Once someone shows some interest he/she is carefully guided to the website with alleged personal miracles. There was no post from Vikrant after the initial post to the reactions. And please note that he is spoken of in the present tense as if the fellow is alive. He passed away in 1998 or so. and the mantras are written full of mistakes and mispronunciation at their website and most of the details seem to be copies from various published texts including typos. Some are, I believe, made up. It is seeing this - i was guided to the site by the same method employed here. First a nice write up then wonderful experiences recounted in personal e-mails and then website address. Thats where they lost me. the typos made me aghast. I can go on but I restrain myself. Probably what will follow is a personal attack. Menon sacred-objects From: mprgrandmasterDate: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:48:48 +0300RE: Re: the greatest guru of all times Dear all,In this Era, both Ancient Divinities and Ancient Evils have taken Incarnation. So, it ios hard to say who is who.....Still, insulting a persoanility with no reasonis not a way to discuss anything in a polite , civilised way..Wabout whether Dr. Narayan is a true guru or not, Mr. Vikrant obvioudsly thinks he is but all those against his Guru, do you have any reasons? It would be interesting if you could reason your opinions and not just talk unkindly against a person, especially when he is dead. Also, Vikrant could give us some reasons for his opinion tooAbout whether Dr Narayan is the greatest guru of all, a Guru is the greatest Guru o all for His disciples, as a Deity is the Supreme for all Her/His bhakatas.This is common in Hiundu culture as far as I am aware . Whether he is truly the greatest guru, well the Greatest Guru of All is the Supreme Divinity,the All Pervading Divine Force. That Force Who is the One Guru of All Gurus of All Times. If Dr Narayan is the Full Embodiment of That Force, this is the question....Regards,Dennis sacred-objects From: rsbj66 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:50:22 +0000 Re: the greatest guru of all times How can anyone, other than Bhagavan, possibly be "the greatest guru ofall time"? For a start, ALL TIME is not yet over! Besides, Late Dr.Narayan Dutt Shrimali is just author of a few tiny books on gemology,like so many before and after him. He is hardly even significant, whatto speak of NOT being GREATEST GURU OF ALL TIME. Absurd!sacred-objects , Janardana Dasa<lightdweller wrote:>> Also, are siddhis and accomplishments in those arts an indication ofone being "the greatest Guru of all times" ?> > --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Kochu Menon <kochu1 wrote:> > Kochu Menon <kochu1> RE: the greatest guru of all times> sacred-objects > Sunday, June 22, 2008, 5:36 AM> > he is a long dead person and whether he had siddhis or not I cannot vouch. But I do know that his sons are running some sort of ashram where siddhis are sold by the kilo. How effective I do not know. But I would not personally touch that place with a barge pole.> > Menon> > sacred-objects> binnumero (AT) (DOT) co.in> Sun, 22 Jun 2008 01:03:12 +0100> Re: the greatest guru of all times> > vikrant,> can i have the address of the pious person> rgds> binode> > Vikrant <free_for_blue@ > wrote: > > > i have done a indepth study of indian tantra from many years now and i have personally found that Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali Ji is the biggest greatest and most powerfull guru of indian tantra mantra and sadhanas in the whole world...> > we indians are really fortunate to have such a great powerfull guru in india...> > the greatness of gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali Ji is way beyond words...> > the greatest guru of all times...> > > > > > Vikrant> > > > binode kripalani> numerologist 9831664581(Kolkata)> binodeuk (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> binode_kripalani@ > > > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. > > > > > WL Messenger : Stay connected to friends and family with the New. Get it now. Try it now!> Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger Get it now! CoolHotmail : Your crazy personality deserves a unique email identity like yourname. Choose from this and hundreds other unique email ids now Try it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 This organization seems to have an very active discussion group since Year 2000 to date Jun 2008 Who then is the author of the replies and advices,? some other initiated guru after the passing of their Guru...?? I have their published magazines in complete 1981 to last date of published monthly, in my library, but never really look at them critically (way less read)... Anyway, I dont see anything wrong or any issues wrong about them, as many other spiritualist businesses on this of a Non GDP accountable Gray Market (a large sector of unaccountable GDP to lessen sufferings of Man and guide to Moksha) For the records, my interest are purely Sacred Objects (Manis) and Ancient Perfumeries items like Kuber Kunglilam (that Jamindar of yester years and old Royal Families use daily at laxmi kuner pooja etc) etc as I am scientist in New Drug Discovery, specialization in International Regulatory Affairs (clinicals to Approvals of human use) I am not into any spiritualist business of any sort Nor intention future such spiritual business. With Best Regards BMW sacred-objects , Kochu Menon <kochu1 wrote: > > Please do not think the persons who wrote on the subject are " against " this or that. That is like bushy declaring to Mushy dear that " if you are not with us, you are gainst us and we will bomb you back to stone age " immediately after 9/11. > > However have a look at http://www.siddhashram.org/ it is interesting. They promise heaven but there is a price to be paid . > > i saw it and I had the heartiest laugh. > > Yes it would be nice to know what all benefits Mr. Vikrant got from siddhashram.org. Whether he ever met srimali in person ever. How he is a disciple of srimali. How many gurus he has. How many mantras he got initiated into etc. etc. before and AFTER he went to siddhashram.org. > > Anybody can think anything he wants. But he need not push it down anybody's throat. Isn't it funny that these sort of mails surface in many groups periodically sort of advertising this website? Of course no website is mentioned. Once someone shows some interest he/she is carefully guided to the website with alleged personal miracles. There was no post from Vikrant after the initial post to the reactions. > > And please note that he is spoken of in the present tense as if the fellow is alive. He passed away in 1998 or so. > > and the mantras are written full of mistakes and mispronunciation at their website and most of the details seem to be copies from various published texts including typos. Some are, I believe, made up. It is seeing this - i was guided to the site by the same method employed here. First a nice write up then wonderful experiences recounted in personal e-mails and then website address. Thats where they lost me. the typos made me aghast. I can go on but I restrain myself. > > Probably what will follow is a personal attack. > Menon > > > sacred-objects: mprgrandmaster: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:48:48 +0300RE: Re: the greatest guru of all times > > > > > Dear all,In this Era, both Ancient Divinities and Ancient Evils have taken Incarnation. So, it ios hard to say who is who.....Still, insulting a persoanility with no reasonis not a way to discuss anything in a polite , civilised way..Wabout whether Dr. Narayan is a true guru or not, Mr. Vikrant obvioudsly thinks he is but all those against his Guru, do you have any reasons? It would be interesting if you could reason your opinions and not just talk unkindly against a person, especially when he is dead. Also, Vikrant could give us some reasons for his opinion tooAbout whether Dr Narayan is the greatest guru of all, a Guru is the greatest Guru o all for His disciples, as a Deity is the Supreme for all Her/His bhakatas.This is common in Hiundu culture as far as I am aware . Whether he is truly the greatest guru, well the Greatest Guru of All is the Supreme Divinity,the All Pervading Divine Force. That Force Who is the One Guru of All Gurus of All Times. If Dr Narayan is the Full Embodiment of That Force, this is the question....Regards,Dennis > > > sacred-objects: rsbj66: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:50:22 +0000 Re: the greatest guru of all times > > > How can anyone, other than Bhagavan, possibly be " the greatest guru ofall time " ? For a start, ALL TIME is not yet over! Besides, Late Dr.Narayan Dutt Shrimali is just author of a few tiny books on gemology,like so many before and after him. He is hardly even significant, whatto speak of NOT being GREATEST GURU OF ALL TIME. Absurd!sacred-objects , Janardana Dasa<lightdweller@> wrote:>> Also, are siddhis and accomplishments in those arts an indication ofone being " the greatest Guru of all times " ?> > --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Kochu Menon <kochu1@> wrote:> > Kochu Menon <kochu1@>> RE: the greatest guru of all times> sacred-objects > Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 5:36 AM> > he is a long dead person and whether he had siddhis or not I cannot vouch. But I do know that his sons are running some sort of ashram where siddhis are sold by the kilo. How effective I do not know. But I would not personally touch that place with a barge pole.> > Menon> > sacred-objects@ . com> binnumero (AT) (DOT) co.in> Sun, 22 Jun 2008 01:03:12 +0100> Re: the greatest guru of all times> > vikrant,> can i have the address of the pious person> rgds> binode> > Vikrant <free_for_blue@ > wrote: > > > i have done a indepth study of indian tantra from many years now and i have personally found that Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali Ji is the biggest greatest and most powerfull guru of indian tantra mantra and sadhanas in the whole world...> > we indians are really fortunate to have such a great powerfull guru in india...> > the greatness of gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali Ji is way beyond words...> > the greatest guru of all times...> > > > > > Vikrant> > > > binode kripalani> numerologist 9831664581(Kolkata)> binodeuk (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> binode_kripalani@ > > > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. 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Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 I can not believe that people in this group have discussion about this topic in question. Only true initiation is SELF-INITIATION,because as long as somebody else is telling You what to do,it is his will, not your own TRUE WILL.The point of any spiritual path is to realize your own true WILL,and when You find your own will,You have found GURU. Only thing between guru in ourselves and the world outside us is one common true enemy called EGO..I have personally great respect for each yogi,guru,siddha,etc. but as long as an individual is looking for somebody else to tell him/her some 'special' or 'secret' mantra,or any other type of 'secret' spiritual information,that same individual is, no doubt, on the wrong path... Is there any special formula to realize your own true self? Get rid of your own egos....Only than,and only than you can see the world AS IT IS..The secret is in number ZERO,since it is the only number free of duality.Duality is about separation ,and looking from metaphysical point of view, it is NOT possible to achieve unity by mixing black and white,because black cannot exist without white,and white cannot exist without black (to put it in plain language). Duality is only the MEANS for explaining religious phenomenas,and nothing more,nothing less. Sahaja samadhi is without object and without subject,and what remains at the end is NOTHING or TRUE SELF. Just be yourselves, be who you really are,and then we will all be as ONE. I am not trying to proof anything here, everybody has right to do what they will, as long as individual has awakened his/hers own TRUE WILL.You have to fight for it every single day, by overcoming obstacles in life, because only by inner-fighting you can achieve inner-peace. Emotions(ego) can only be defeted by intellect. Even the animals have emotions, therefore intellect is THAT which make us human. Respect all religions in the world, because at the end ,they are all teaching us basicly the same thing. Religion is not politics. Religions of the world are everlasting source of existence, just witness IT. best wishes & kind regards yours truly friendly Vjenceslav sacred-objects From: bala_songyiDate: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:39:54 +0000 Re: the greatest guru of all times This organization seems to have an very active discussiongroup since Year 2000 to date Jun 2008Who then is the author of the replies and advices,? some other initiated guru after the passing of their Guru...??I have their published magazines in complete 1981 to last date of published monthly, in my library, but never really look at them critically (way less read)...Anyway, I dont see anything wrong or any issues wrong about them, as many other spiritualist businesses on this of a Non GDP accountable Gray Market (a large sector of unaccountable GDP to lessen sufferings of Man and guide to Moksha)For the records, my interest are purely Sacred Objects (Manis) and Ancient Perfumeries items like Kuber Kunglilam (that Jamindar of yester years and old Royal Families use daily at laxmi kuner pooja etc) etc as I am scientist in New Drug Discovery, specialization in International Regulatory Affairs (clinicals to Approvals of human use)I am not into any spiritualist business of any sort Nor intention future such spiritual business.With Best RegardsBMWsacred-objects , Kochu Menon <kochu1 wrote:>> Please do not think the persons who wrote on the subject are "against" this or that. That is like bushy declaring to Mushy dear that "if you are not with us, you are gainst us and we will bomb you back to stone age" immediately after 9/11.> > However have a look at http://www.siddhashram.org/ it is interesting. They promise heaven but there is a price to be paid .> > i saw it and I had the heartiest laugh.> > Yes it would be nice to know what all benefits Mr. Vikrant got from siddhashram.org. Whether he ever met srimali in person ever. How he is a disciple of srimali. How many gurus he has. How many mantras he got initiated into etc. etc. before and AFTER he went to siddhashram.org.> > Anybody can think anything he wants. But he need not push it down anybody's throat. Isn't it funny that these sort of mails surface in many groups periodically sort of advertising this website? Of course no website is mentioned. Once someone shows some interest he/she is carefully guided to the website with alleged personal miracles. There was no post from Vikrant after the initial post to the reactions.> > And please note that he is spoken of in the present tense as if the fellow is alive. He passed away in 1998 or so.> > and the mantras are written full of mistakes and mispronunciation at their website and most of the details seem to be copies from various published texts including typos. Some are, I believe, made up. It is seeing this - i was guided to the site by the same method employed here. First a nice write up then wonderful experiences recounted in personal e-mails and then website address. Thats where they lost me. the typos made me aghast. I can go on but I restrain myself.> > Probably what will follow is a personal attack.> Menon> > > sacred-objects: mprgrandmaster: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:48:48 +0300RE: Re: the greatest guru of all times> > > > > Dear all,In this Era, both Ancient Divinities and Ancient Evils have taken Incarnation. So, it ios hard to say who is who.....Still, insulting a persoanility with no reasonis not a way to discuss anything in a polite , civilised way..Wabout whether Dr. Narayan is a true guru or not, Mr. Vikrant obvioudsly thinks he is but all those against his Guru, do you have any reasons? It would be interesting if you could reason your opinions and not just talk unkindly against a person, especially when he is dead. Also, Vikrant could give us some reasons for his opinion tooAbout whether Dr Narayan is the greatest guru of all, a Guru is the greatest Guru o all for His disciples, as a Deity is the Supreme for all Her/His bhakatas.This is common in Hiundu culture as far as I am aware . Whether he is truly the greatest guru, well the Greatest Guru of All is the Supreme Divinity,the All Pervading Divine Force. That Force Who is the One Guru of All Gurus of All Times. If Dr Narayan is the Full Embodiment of That Force, this is the question....Regards,Dennis> > > sacred-objects: rsbj66: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:50:22 +0000 Re: the greatest guru of all times> > > How can anyone, other than Bhagavan, possibly be "the greatest guru ofall time"? For a start, ALL TIME is not yet over! Besides, Late Dr.Narayan Dutt Shrimali is just author of a few tiny books on gemology,like so many before and after him. He is hardly even significant, whatto speak of NOT being GREATEST GURU OF ALL TIME. Absurd!sacred-objects , Janardana Dasa<lightdweller@> wrote:>> Also, are siddhis and accomplishments in those arts an indication ofone being "the greatest Guru of all times" ?> > --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Kochu Menon <kochu1@> wrote:> > Kochu Menon <kochu1@>> RE: the greatest guru of all times> sacred-objects > Sunday, June 22, 2008, 5:36 AM> > he is a long dead person and whether he had siddhis or not I cannot vouch. But I do know that his sons are running some sort of ashram where siddhis are sold by the kilo. How effective I do not know. But I would not personally touch that place with a barge pole.> > Menon> > sacred-objects> binnumero (AT) (DOT) co.in> Sun, 22 Jun 2008 01:03:12 +0100> Re: the greatest guru of all times> > vikrant,> can i have the address of the pious person> rgds> binode> > Vikrant <free_for_blue@ > wrote: > > > i have done a indepth study of indian tantra from many years now and i have personally found that Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali Ji is the biggest greatest and most powerfull guru of indian tantra mantra and sadhanas in the whole world...> > we indians are really fortunate to have such a great powerfull guru in india...> > the greatness of gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali Ji is way beyond words...> > the greatest guru of all times...> > > > > > Vikrant> > > > binode kripalani> numerologist 9831664581(Kolkata)> binodeuk (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> binode_kripalani@ > > > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. 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Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 The whole purpose of this group is to discuss points in question. Y/s, Richard sacred-objects , summa iru anama <typhon777 wrote: > > > I can not believe that people in this group have discussion about this topic in question. > > Only true initiation is SELF-INITIATION,because as long as somebody else is telling You what to do,it is his will, not your own TRUE WILL.The point of any spiritual path is to realize your own true WILL,and when You find your own will,You have found GURU. > > Only thing between guru in ourselves and the world outside us is one common true enemy called EGO..I have personally great respect for each yogi,guru,siddha,etc. but as long as an individual is looking for somebody else to tell him/her some 'special' or 'secret' mantra,or any other type of 'secret' spiritual information,that same individual is, no doubt, on the wrong path... > > Is there any special formula to realize your own true self? Get rid of your own egos....Only than,and only than you can see the world AS IT IS..The secret is in number ZERO,since it is the only number free of duality.Duality is about separation ,and looking from metaphysical point of view, it is NOT possible to achieve unity by mixing black and white,because black cannot exist without white,and white cannot exist without black (to put it in plain language). Duality is only the MEANS for explaining religious phenomenas,and nothing more,nothing less. Sahaja samadhi is without object and without subject,and what remains at the end is NOTHING or TRUE SELF. Just be yourselves, be who you really are,and then we will all be as ONE. > > I am not trying to proof anything here, everybody has right to do what they will, as long as individual has awakened his/hers own TRUE WILL.You have to fight for it every single day, by overcoming obstacles in life, because only by inner-fighting you can achieve inner-peace. Emotions(ego) can only be defeted by intellect. Even the animals have emotions, therefore intellect is THAT which make us human. Respect all religions in the world, because at the end ,they are all teaching us basicly the same thing. Religion is not politics. Religions of the world are everlasting source of existence, just witness IT. > > > best wishes & kind regards > > yours truly friendly > > Vjenceslav > > > sacred-objects: bala_songyi: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:39:54 +0000 Re: the greatest guru of all times > > > > > This organization seems to have an very active discussiongroup since Year 2000 to date Jun 2008Who then is the author of the replies and advices,? some other initiated guru after the passing of their Guru...??I have their published magazines in complete 1981 to last date of published monthly, in my library, but never really look at them critically (way less read)...Anyway, I dont see anything wrong or any issues wrong about them, as many other spiritualist businesses on this of a Non GDP accountable Gray Market (a large sector of unaccountable GDP to lessen sufferings of Man and guide to Moksha)For the records, my interest are purely Sacred Objects (Manis) and Ancient Perfumeries items like Kuber Kunglilam (that Jamindar of yester years and old Royal Families use daily at laxmi kuner pooja etc) etc as I am scientist in New Drug Discovery, specialization in International Regulatory Affairs (clinicals to Approvals of human use)I am not into any spiritualist business of any sort Nor intention future such spiritual business.With Best RegardsBMWsacred-objects , Kochu Menon <kochu1@> wrote:>> Please do not think the persons who wrote on the subject are " against " this or that. That is like bushy declaring to Mushy dear that " if you are not with us, you are gainst us and we will bomb you back to stone age " immediately after 9/11.> > However have a look at http://www.siddhashram.org/ it is interesting. They promise heaven but there is a price to be paid .> > i saw it and I had the heartiest laugh.> > Yes it would be nice to know what all benefits Mr. Vikrant got from siddhashram.org. Whether he ever met srimali in person ever. How he is a disciple of srimali. How many gurus he has. How many mantras he got initiated into etc. etc. before and AFTER he went to siddhashram.org.> > Anybody can think anything he wants. But he need not push it down anybody's throat. Isn't it funny that these sort of mails surface in many groups periodically sort of advertising this website? Of course no website is mentioned. Once someone shows some interest he/she is carefully guided to the website with alleged personal miracles. There was no post from Vikrant after the initial post to the reactions.> > And please note that he is spoken of in the present tense as if the fellow is alive. He passed away in 1998 or so.> > and the mantras are written full of mistakes and mispronunciation at their website and most of the details seem to be copies from various published texts including typos. Some are, I believe, made up. It is seeing this - i was guided to the site by the same method employed here. First a nice write up then wonderful experiences recounted in personal e-mails and then website address. Thats where they lost me. the typos made me aghast. I can go on but I restrain myself.> > Probably what will follow is a personal attack.> Menon> > > sacred-objects@: mprgrandmaster@: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:48:48 +0300RE: Re: the greatest guru of all times> > > > > Dear all,In this Era, both Ancient Divinities and Ancient Evils have taken Incarnation. So, it ios hard to say who is who.....Still, insulting a persoanility with no reasonis not a way to discuss anything in a polite , civilised way..Wabout whether Dr. Narayan is a true guru or not, Mr. Vikrant obvioudsly thinks he is but all those against his Guru, do you have any reasons? It would be interesting if you could reason your opinions and not just talk unkindly against a person, especially when he is dead. Also, Vikrant could give us some reasons for his opinion tooAbout whether Dr Narayan is the greatest guru of all, a Guru is the greatest Guru o all for His disciples, as a Deity is the Supreme for all Her/His bhakatas.This is common in Hiundu culture as far as I am aware . Whether he is truly the greatest guru, well the Greatest Guru of All is the Supreme Divinity,the All Pervading Divine Force. That Force Who is the One Guru of All Gurus of All Times. If Dr Narayan is the Full Embodiment of That Force, this is the question....Regards,Dennis> > > To: sacred-objects@: rsbj66@: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:50:22 +0000Subject: Re: the greatest guru of all times> > > How can anyone, other than Bhagavan, possibly be " the greatest guru ofall time " ? For a start, ALL TIME is not yet over! Besides, Late Dr.Narayan Dutt Shrimali is just author of a few tiny books on gemology,like so many before and after him. He is hardly even significant, whatto speak of NOT being GREATEST GURU OF ALL TIME. Absurd!--- In sacred-objects , Janardana Dasa<lightdweller@> wrote:>> Also, are siddhis and accomplishments in those arts an indication ofone being " the greatest Guru of all times " ?> > --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Kochu Menon <kochu1@> wrote:> > Kochu Menon <kochu1@>> Subject: RE: the greatest guru of all times> To: sacred-objects > Sunday, June 22, 2008, 5:36 AM> > he is a long dead person and whether he had siddhis or not I cannot vouch. But I do know that his sons are running some sort of ashram where siddhis are sold by the kilo. How effective I do not know. But I would not personally touch that place with a barge pole.> > Menon> > sacred-objects> binnumero (AT) (DOT) co.in> Sun, 22 Jun 2008 01:03:12 +0100> Re: the greatest guru of all times> > vikrant,> can i have the address of the pious person> rgds> binode> > Vikrant <free_for_blue@ > wrote: > > > i have done a indepth study of indian tantra from many years now and i have personally found that Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali Ji is the biggest greatest and most powerfull guru of indian tantra mantra and sadhanas in the whole world...> > we indians are really fortunate to have such a great powerfull guru in india...> > the greatness of gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali Ji is way beyond words...> > the greatest guru of all times...> > > > > > Vikrant> > > > binode kripalani> numerologist 9831664581(Kolkata)> binodeuk (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> binode_kripalani@ > > > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. > > > > > WL Messenger : Stay connected to friends and family with the NewWindows Live Messenger. Get it now. Try it now!>> > Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger Get it now! > > > > > > > > ________> No Harvard, No Oxford. We are here. Find out !!> http://ss1.richmedia.in/recurl.asp?pid=500> _______________ > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create & wx_url=/friends.aspx & mkt=\ en-us > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 thank you richard, I became aware of it the moment I post it..... sacred-objects From: rsbj66Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:07:50 +0000 Re: the greatest guru of all times The whole purpose of this group is to discuss points in question. Y/s,Richardsacred-objects , summa iru anama <typhon777wrote:>> > I can not believe that people in this group have discussion aboutthis topic in question.> > Only true initiation is SELF-INITIATION,because as long as somebodyelse is telling You what to do,it is his will, not your own TRUEWILL.The point of any spiritual path is to realize your own trueWILL,and when You find your own will,You have found GURU.> > Only thing between guru in ourselves and the world outside us is onecommon true enemy called EGO..I have personally great respect for eachyogi,guru,siddha,etc. but as long as an individual is looking forsomebody else to tell him/her some 'special' or 'secret' mantra,or anyother type of 'secret' spiritual information,that same individual is,no doubt, on the wrong path...> > Is there any special formula to realize your own true self? Get ridof your own egos....Only than,and only than you can see the world ASIT IS..The secret is in number ZERO,since it is the only number freeof duality.Duality is about separation ,and looking from metaphysicalpoint of view, it is NOT possible to achieve unity by mixing black andwhite,because black cannot exist without white,and white cannot existwithout black (to put it in plain language). Duality is only the MEANSfor explaining religious phenomenas,and nothing more,nothing less.Sahaja samadhi is without object and without subject,and what remainsat the end is NOTHING or TRUE SELF. Just be yourselves, be who youreally are,and then we will all be as ONE.> > I am not trying to proof anything here, everybody has right to dowhat they will, as long as individual has awakened his/hers own TRUEWILL.You have to fight for it every single day, by overcomingobstacles in life, because only by inner-fighting you can achieveinner-peace. Emotions(ego) can only be defeted by intellect. Even theanimals have emotions, therefore intellect is THAT which make ushuman. Respect all religions in the world, because at the end ,theyare all teaching us basicly the same thing. Religion is not politics.Religions of the world are everlasting source of existence, justwitness IT.> > > best wishes & kind regards > > yours truly friendly > > Vjenceslav> > > sacred-objects: bala_songyi: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:39:54+0000 Re: the greatest guru of all times> > > > > This organization seems to have an very active discussiongroup since Year 2000 to date Jun 2008Who then is the authorof the replies and advices,? some other initiated guru after thepassing of their Guru...??I have their published magazines in complete1981 to last date of published monthly, in my library, but neverreally look at them critically (way less read)...Anyway, I dont seeanything wrong or any issues wrong about them, as many otherspiritualist businesses on this of a Non GDP accountableGray Market (a large sector of unaccountable GDP to lessen sufferingsof Man and guide to Moksha)For the records, my interest are purelySacred Objects (Manis) and Ancient Perfumeries items like KuberKunglilam (that Jamindar of yester years and old Royal Families usedaily at laxmi kuner pooja etc) etc as I am scientist in New DrugDiscovery, specialization in International Regulatory Affairs(clinicals to Approvals of human use)I am not into any spiritualistbusiness of any sort Nor intention future such spiritual business.WithBest RegardsBMWsacred-objects , Kochu Menon<kochu1@> wrote:>> Please do not think the persons who wrote on thesubject are "against" this or that. That is like bushy declaring toMushy dear that "if you are not with us, you are gainst us and we willbomb you back to stone age" immediately after 9/11.> > However have alook at http://www.siddhashram.org/ it is interesting. They promiseheaven but there is a price to be paid .> > i saw it and I had theheartiest laugh.> > Yes it would be nice to know what all benefits Mr.Vikrant got from siddhashram.org. Whether he ever met srimali inperson ever. How he is a disciple of srimali. How many gurus he has.How many mantras he got initiated into etc. etc. before and AFTER hewent to siddhashram.org.> > Anybody can think anything he wants. Buthe need not push it down anybody's throat. Isn't it funny that thesesort of mails surface in many groups periodically sort of advertisingthis website? Of course no website is mentioned. Once someone showssome interest he/she is carefully guided to the website with allegedpersonal miracles. There was no post from Vikrant after the initialpost to the reactions.> > And please note that he is spoken of in thepresent tense as if the fellow is alive. He passed away in 1998 orso.> > and the mantras are written full of mistakes andmispronunciation at their website and most of the details seem to becopies from various published texts including typos. Some are, Ibelieve, made up. It is seeing this - i was guided to the site by thesame method employed here. First a nice write up then wonderfulexperiences recounted in personal e-mails and then website address.Thats where they lost me. the typos made me aghast. I can go on but Irestrain myself.> > Probably what will follow is a personal attack.>Menon> > > sacred-objects@: mprgrandmaster@: Sun, 22 Jun 200817:48:48 +0300RE: Re: the greatest guru ofall times> > > > > Dear all,In this Era, both Ancient Divinities andAncient Evils have taken Incarnation. So, it ios hard to say who iswho.....Still, insulting a persoanility with no reasonis not a way todiscuss anything in a polite , civilised way..Wabout whether Dr.Narayan is a true guru or not, Mr. Vikrant obvioudsly thinks he is butall those against his Guru, do you have any reasons? It would beinteresting if you could reason your opinions and not just talkunkindly against a person, especially when he is dead. Also, Vikrantcould give us some reasons for his opinion tooAbout whether Dr Narayanis the greatest guru of all, a Guru is the greatest Guru o all for Hisdisciples, as a Deity is the Supreme for all Her/His bhakatas.This iscommon in Hiundu culture as far as I am aware . Whether he is trulythe greatest guru, well the Greatest Guru of All is the SupremeDivinity,the All Pervading Divine Force. That Force Who is the OneGuru of All Gurus of All Times. If Dr Narayan is the Full Embodimentof That Force, this is the question....Regards,Dennis> > > To:sacred-objects@: rsbj66@: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:50:22 +0000Re: the greatest guru of all times> > > How cananyone, other than Bhagavan, possibly be "the greatest guru ofalltime"? For a start, ALL TIME is not yet over! Besides, Late Dr.NarayanDutt Shrimali is just author of a few tiny books on gemology,like somany before and after him. He is hardly even significant, whatto speakof NOT being GREATEST GURU OF ALL TIME. Absurd!--- Insacred-objects , Janardana Dasa<lightdweller@> wrote:>>Also, are siddhis and accomplishments in those arts an indicationofone being "the greatest Guru of all times" ?> > --- On Sun, 6/22/08,Kochu Menon <kochu1@> wrote:> > Kochu Menon <kochu1@>> Subject:RE: the greatest guru of all times> To:sacred-objects > Sunday, June 22, 2008, 5:36 AM>> he is a long dead person and whether he had siddhis or not I cannotvouch. But I do know that his sons are running some sort of ashramwhere siddhis are sold by the kilo. How effective I do not know. But Iwould not personally touch that place with a barge pole.> > Menon> >sacred-objects> binnumero (AT) (DOT) co.in>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 01:03:12 +0100> Re: the greatest guru of all times> > vikrant,> can i have the address ofthe pious person> rgds> binode> > Vikrant <free_for_blue@ >wrote: > > > i have done a indepth study of indian tantra from manyyears now and i have personally found that Dr. Narayan Dutt ShrimaliJi is the biggest greatest and most powerfull guru of indian tantramantra and sadhanas in the whole world...> > we indians are reallyfortunate to have such a great powerfull guru in india...> > thegreatness of gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali Ji is way beyondwords...> > the greatest guru of all times...> > > > > > Vikrant> > >> binode kripalani> numerologist 9831664581(Kolkata)>binodeuk (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> binode_kripalani@ > > > > Meet peoplewho discuss and share your passions. Join them now. > > > > > WLMessenger : Stay connected to friends and family with the NewWindowsLive Messenger. Get it now. Try it now!>> > Connect to the nextgeneration of MSN Messenger Get it now! > > > > > > > >________> NoHarvard, No Oxford. We are here. Find out !!>http://ss1.richmedia.in/recurl.asp?pid=500> > > > > > > > ________> Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with WindowsLive Spaces. It's easy!>http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create & wx_url=/friends.aspx & mkt=en-us> Get news, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Check it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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