Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 deven That means in this world all human being do karma and all kill some level of concious, but most of them do not kill directly it may be indirectly so y to hesetate to eat non veg wht difference it make from veg and non veg both are killing and god will not punish us unless we directly kill best regards Vignhesh deven chopra <chopradeven81 wrote: Hello Mr. Akshay The concept here is: What level of conciousness you are killing. Plants have lesser level of conciousness than animals and animals have lesser than human. So the more level of conciousness you kill, the more karma you generate. Anyways , you will have to kill some conciousness to satisfy your hunger. The question boils down to : how much strong karma you can afford to generate to satisfy your hunger. Best wishes Devenakshay vignhesh <akshay_vignhesh > wrote: Dear group members can anybody help me to clear the doubts 1. when the soul or athma goes out from the body of any leaving bing is their any value for the body, it is dead body and we burn it, we bury it and we eat it 2. By eating a dead body ( other then human body )(like chicken meat or fish including vegitable) we are trying to emerge the dead body in our body making the dead body as part of our body and giving them MOKSHA 3. SO IS IT WRONG EATING DEAD BODY ( meaning of dead body is not human being it is meat or flesh of a dead leaving being) 4. we are not killing the animal but some one has killed it, someone has made a sin and by eating it we are giving moksha to a deadbody 5.even vegitable is also leaving being we pluck and kill it and eat it ( it is only my personal request and doubt not to hert anybody's feelings and emotional values) Best regars Vignhesh Siddharth Mishra <sidhmis > wrote: Dear Mr. Arjun, Everybody in this world knows that beads above 14 Mukhis exists, also Gauri Shankar , Savar, Ganesh etc are also existing, The devotees have been GREATLY been benefitted by these beads, so even if I take your word that no litrature is existing for these beads so what you want the devotees should not purchase them or those who already have these should remove them or what you want. What nature is giving us is for our benefit and only benefit of the mankind, then why again criticising any person if at all all he has done some labour or tried to find out some link for these higher Mukhis beads also. Again a negative thought is coming out of your mind. I think this topic has been discussed several times in the past also. Pl become positive for God sake!! Siddharthpanditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 > wrote: dear friendsmay i request all the highly researched most learnt rudraksha masters of this group to kindly substantiate the recommendation of higher mukh rudraksha above 14 mukh.in my limited research upon studying various puranas and upanishads, i found clear recommendations, lordships, usages and mantras ONLY for 1 to 14 mukh rudraksha. none of these most famous puranas and upanishads even vaguely mention about the possibility or existence of higher mukh rudrakshas. rather, these puranas were conclusively confirming that rudraksha ARE 14 types.recently i was shown a book by some modern researcher citing some unheard modern book which further cites some unheard medieval book wherein details of higher mukh rudraksha are given. no vedic holy scripture viz. puranas or upanishads were mentioned.in the absence of not knowing the lordships, not knowing the mantras, not knowing the usages, how can we deal in rudrakshas above 14 mukh.i also failed to find the mention of gaurishankar, trijuti, ganesh, savaar and various other shaped rudrakshas in the holy scriptures.could any researcher shares his gems of knowledge on the scriptural corroboration of these higher mukh and other shaped rudrakshas.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy.comsacred-objects , "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni wrote:>> Yes! Well said! I echo these thoughts!> > - > umeshkhnn > sacred-objects > Friday, August 10, 2007 7:14 AM> Re: Ha ha!!! Eka Mukhi Katha> > > sacred-objects , vasdev kripalani udharam > <binnumero@> wrote:> >Hello Everybody,> > I would like to know that if a 21 mukhi with clear cut lines is cut > open and if 21 seeds are not found inside does it cease to be a 21 > mukhi???> > Similiarly if a round bead with only one clearly marked line is cut > open and it has 2 seeds does it cease to be one mukhi???> > I do not think that in the ancient times one had X-ray machines to > see inside the beads, so I think that at that time a round bead > having only one clear line would be ONE MUKHI.Any way its a matter > of faith Like they say if you belive then a stone also would be GOD > but without faith its a stone.> > Let each one follow their heart.> > umesh> > > Dear Sir,> > > > No one here is to be black listed. No one is wrong. > > > > Best wishes,> > Richard> > > > Respected Gentleman,> > If u black list anybody you are trying to antagonise,instead of > that i would suggest please help him out, since he knows not what > he should know.Be a guide line to him,show him the right part.> > You ignore him only when he does not accept the right > part."Sacrifice takes you nearer to God.> > Sorry for interfering into your personal matter.> > > > Siddharth Mishra <sidhmis@> > wrote: > > Dear Pandit Arjun, > > For god sake pl dont misguide the menbers of this group with > your stupid theories. Here no body wants your 1 Mukhis Rudrakshas > for 2 or 3 Lakhs. Pl dont befool people for own your commercial > interests. > > It is a simple logic that a four Mukhi has 4 chambers and four > seeds similarly a 5 Mukhi has 5 seeds. There could be one odd > exception where in the bead might have less seed. But for that > exception we can not authentically comment on all Rudrakshas. > > Now pl dont ask me how many Rudrakshan I have cut.> > > > Respected Richard Sir, > > Pl ban this person from the group and his websit be > blacklisted. He appears to be a spurious supplier of Rudrakshas > whose main aim is to misguide people and sell his spurious 1 > Mukhis. Lets have the positive people and knowledgeable people like > you, Rajiv Krishna Dasa, Rudra Centre, Amit Uniyalji, etc. to guide > the whole fraternity of Rudrakshas. > > > > Regards, > > Siddharth> > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> > dear friend ole> > > > yes, i stick to my observation that in a four, five or six mukhi > > rudraksha the gap between the lines is wide and you find the > number > > of locules or chambers or seeds within it. but when comes to > higher > > mukh rudrakhsa like 13, 14 and above, you would fine few lines > having > > good gap and few lines especially on both sides near the centre, > have > > as little as no gap between them and hence you find thier inner > > chambers mixed and you also find less number of seeds. i dont cut > a > > rudraksha as lord shiva dwells in it but have seen a couple of 14 > and > > 13mukh beads when they got broken accidentally and then tested > them. > > i am not a hyprocite to treat a rudraksha as god and then cut and > > test it like a commodity. i strictly believe a rudraksha as lord > > shiva and hence will not cut it to test it. even the gentleman who > > tested a 14mukh and found 14 loculi is laying emphasis on the word > > well developed and large sized which means all the small and > medium > > sized rudraksha will not pass this test. most of the rudraksha of > > higher mukh are available in small and medium size and the largest > > beads are sold as collector beads at exorbitant prices as they are > > very rarely available.> > > > also when a rudraksha is plucked from the tree and is cleaned and > a > > hole made, you would find several seeds falling off when the > supplier > > makes the hole. very rarely you find a higher mukh rudraksha > without > > a hole.> > > > so all i am saying is that there is no foolproof scientific test > and > > system to measure the number of seeds of a rudraksha or the number > of > > chambers inside the rudraksha matching the external lines.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Pandit Arjun,> > > > > > Do I understand you correctly that there is no 13 or 14 Nepali > > mukhi beads in existence with the equivalent number of locules > > inside? How many beads have you tested? What method did you use?> > > > > > Thanking you,> > > > > > Ole> > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> > > dear brother richard> > > > > > you are truly blessed to see the original round ek mukh > rudraksha > > with > > > your trusted late kalibaba. hope this answers to disbelievers > who > > call > > > it a myth.> > > > > > elementary truth is that one would find several mukhi rudraksha > > coming > > > from the same tree. so if one finds only one line naturally > > developed > > > in a round rudraksha bead, he must construe it as a one mukh > > rudraksha.> > > > > > i challenge openly with all those laboratary test hungry > > disbelievers > > > to prove 14 locules in a 14mukh rudraksha and 13 locules in a > > 13mukh > > > rudraksha. if they start mentioning exceptions and > impossibilities, > > > then they must not preach locules as a certain rule to decipher > the > > > number of lines external matching the number of locules within.> > > > > > the gods and sages have only advised to COUNT the number of > lines > > ON > > > the rudraksha and i follow only that method treating it as a > holy > > > divine product with the invisible god dwelling in it.> > > > > > hence rudraksha is a matter of solicitation and a holy object of > > > faith. a person who has faith in the sacred object and in the > > person > > > who provides that, buys it. a person not having faith does not > buy > > > it. it is as simple as it is. hence there is no need for us to > have > > > two groups of believers and disbelievers fighting each other to > > prove > > > their theory is correct.> > > > > > after all, we are all having the same objective of serving the > > natives > > > by providing them sacred objects and i advise all rudraksha > > fraternity > > > to serve their customers in their own ways instead of > criticising > > > others in an internecine way.> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > pandit arjun> > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > > > sacred-objects , "Richard Shaw-Brown" > > > <rsbj66@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > It is amazing. If you want to see action in this group, then > just> > > > question goal dhana Eka Mukhi.> > > > > > > > Late Kali Baba of Nepal had a genuine goal dhana eka mukhi. For> > > > certain. Seeing very closely is believing. And Kali Baba > deserved > > Eka> > > > Mukhi. Actually Eka Mukhi is the ornament of Advaitavadins, > > tyagis,> > > > not Grihastas. I wouldn't wear an eka mukhi even if I had one. > I > > would> > > > worship it as Lord Shiva. In my opinion Chaturdasha Mukhi is > the> > > > ultimate for Grihastas.> > > > > > > > Y/s,> > > > Richard> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. > Tryit > > now.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone > who knows.> > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > binode kripalani> > numerologist 9831664581(Kolkata)> > binodeuk@> > binode_kripalani@> > > > > > > > Download prohibited? No problem. 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Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Dear Bhaktas, Allow me to drop in, Well as you have mentioned by eating vegetable you are also killing very true.That is why you need offer your food to bagavan and you take it as prasada where the bhagavan will take the sin and Krishna explain that he receve offering such as (water,fruit,flower and etc)but he did not mentioned any meat offering. And also by eating meat 6 people will getting the sin 1 the seller 2 the buyer 3 the slaughter 4 the person who cooks 5 the person who buys from the cook 6 and the person who eats it Thanks take care regardsBest Regards -Raja- Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 dear raja As u said bhagvan will receive offerinng only water fruit and flowers where their is no sin but vegitables and meat is again sin he will not take it what is the alternative to stop this karma can all the human stop eating vegetable and meat it is possible so what is the alternative best regards Vignhesh Raja Murari dasa <jagannathbaladev wrote: Dear Bhaktas, Allow me to drop in, Well as you have mentioned by eating vegetable you are also killing very true.That is why you need offer your food to bagavan and you take it as prasada where the bhagavan will take the sin and Krishna explain that he receve offering such as (water,fruit,flower and etc)but he did not mentioned any meat offering. And also by eating meat 6 people will getting the sin 1 the seller 2 the buyer 3 the slaughter 4 the person who cooks 5 the person who buys from the cook 6 and the person who eats it Thanks take care regardsBest Regards-Raja- Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car Finder tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 The Vaishnava philosophy teaches that we should not even kill plants unnecessarily. In the Bhagavad-gita (9.26) Krishna (God) says: "If someone offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, a fruit, or a little water, I will accept it." We offer Krishna only the kind of food He demands, and then we eat the remnants. If offering vegetarian food to Krishna were sinful, then it would be Krishna's sin, not ours. But God is apapa-viddha-sinful reactions are not applicable to Him. Eating food first offered to the Lord is also something like a soldier's killing during wartime. In a war, when the commander orders a soldier to attack, the obedient soldier who kills the enemy will get a medal. But if the same soldier kills someone on his own, he will be punished. Similarly, when we eat only prasadam (the remnants of food offered to Krishna or God), we do not commit any sin. This is confirmed in the Bhagavad-gita (3.13). "The devotees of the Lord are released from all kinds of sins because they eat food that is first offered for sacrifice. Others, who prepare food for personal sense enjoyment, verily eat only sin." The civilized human being, the religious human being, is not meant to kill and eat animals. Eating vegetables is violence, and vegetarians are also committing violence against other living entities because vegetables also have life. Nondevotees are killing cows, goats, and so many other animals for eating purposes, and one who is vegetarian is also killing. That is the law of nature. Jiva jivasya jivanam: one living entity is the life for another living entity. But for a human being that violence should be committed only as much as necessary. If one kills many thousands of animals in a professional way so that other people can purchase the meat to eat, one must be ready to be killed in a similar way in his next life and in life after life. There are many rascals who violate their own religious principles. According to Judeo-Christian scriptures, it is clearly said, "Thou shalt not kill." Nonetheless, giving all kinds of excuses, even the heads of religions indulge in killing animals while trying to pass as saintly persons. This mockery and hypocrisy in human society brings about unlimited calamities: therefore occasionally there are great wars. Masses of such people go out onto battlefields and kill themselves. Presently they have discovered the atomic bomb, which is simply awaiting wholesale destruction. Some people say, "We believe that animals have no soul." That is not correct. They believe animals have no soul because they want to eat the animals, but actually animals do have a soul. Here is the scientific proof; the animal is eating, you are eating: the animal is sleeping, you are sleeping; the animal is defending, you are defending; the animal is having sex, you are having sex; the animals have children, you have children; they have a living place, you have a living place. If the animal's body is cut, there is blood; if your body is cut, there is blood. So, all these similarities and not the presence of the soul? That is not logical. In logic there is something called analogy. Analogy means drawing a conclusion by finding many points of similarity. If there are so many points of similarity between human beings and animals, why deny one similarity? That is not logic. That is not science. Some rascals put forward the theory that an animal has no soul or is something like dead stone. In this way they rationalize that there is no sin in animal-killing. Actually animals are not dead stone, but the killers of animals are stone-hearted. Consequently no reason or philosophy appeals to them. They continue keeping slaughterhouses and killing animals in the forest. By killing animals, not only will we be bereft of the human form but we will have to take an animal form and somehow or other be killed by the same type of animal we have killed. This is the law of nature. The Sanskrit word mamsa means "meat." It is said: mam sah khadanti mamsah. That is, "I am now eating the flesh of an animal who will some day in the future be eating my flesh." The purpose of food is to increase the duration of life, purify the mind, and aid bodily strength. This is its only purpose. In the past, great authorities selected those foods that best aid health and increase life's duration, such as milk products, sugar, rice, wheat, fruits and vegetable. Animal fat is available in the form of milk, which is the most wonderful of all foods. Milk, butter, cheese, and similar products give animal fat in a form which rules out any need for the killing of innocent creatures. Protein is amply available through split peas, dal, whole wheat, etc. The best food is the remnant of what is offered to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. In Bhagavad-gita, the Supreme Lord says that He accepts preparations of vegetables, flour and milk when offered with devotion. Of course, devotion and love are the chief things which the Supreme Personality of Godhead accepts. Therefore to make food antiseptic, eatable, and palatable for all persons, one should offer food to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Krishna Wants Vegetarian Food Offered to HimIf one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, fruit or water, I will accept it. Bhagavad-gita 9.26PURPORT One who loves Krishna will give Him whatever He wants, and he avoids offering anything which is undesirable or unasked. Thus meat, fish and eggs should not be offered to Krishna. If He desired such things as offerings, He would have said so. Instead He clearly requests that a leaf, fruit, flowers and water be given to Him, and He says of this offering, "I will accept it." Therefore, we should understand that He will not accept meat, fish and eggs. Vegetables, grains, fruits, milk and water are the proper foods for human beings and are prescribed by Lord Krishna Himself. Whatever else we eat cannot be offered to Him, since He will not accept it. Thus we cannot be acting on the level of loving devotion if we offer such foods. In the Third Chapter, verse thirteen, Sri Krishna explains that only the remains of sacrifice are purified and fit for consumption by those who are seeking advancement in life and release from the clutches of the material entanglement. Those who do not make an offering of their food, He says in the same verse, are eating only sin. In other words, their every mouthful is simply deepening their involvement in the complexities of material nature. But preparing nice, simple vegetable dishes, offering them before the picture or Deity of Lord Krishna and bowing down and praying for Him to accept such a humble offering enables one to advance steadily in life, to purify the body, and to create fine brain tissues which will lead to clear thinking. Above all, the offering should be made with an attitude of love. Krishna has no need of food, since He already possesses everything that be, yet He will accept the offering of one who desires to please Him in that way. The important element, in preparation, in serving and in offering, is to act with love for Krishna. Isn't Eating Vegetables Also ViolenceSometimes the question is put before us: "You ask us not to eat meat, but you are eating vegetables. Do you think that is not violence?" Firstly, however, taking some leaves, twigs or fruit from a tree or plant does not kill the plant. Since every living entity has to pass through a particular type of body according to his past karma, although every living entity is eternal, he should not be disturbed in his gradual evolution. A devotee has to execute the principles of devotional service exactly as they are, and he must know that however insignificant a living entity may be, the Lord is present within him. A devotee must realize this universal presence of the Lord. So, and even if we do not kill animals, simply by eating vegetables, they are also life. It does not mean that vegetarians are not killing. They are also killing. The law is that a living entity lives by killing other living entities. That is the law. Those who have got hands, they are killing those who have got legs. Just like man is killing animal. The animal is eating the grass, those who have no legs. So this is the law. But our thing is that we have to offer yajna. Killing of animal does not mean that if a man kills a cow or goat for eating, he is killing, and those who are vegetarian, they are not killing. They are also killing. A vegetable has also got life. So it is not the question of killing. It is the question of offering yajna. It is the question of offering yajna. The answer is that eating vegetables is violence, and vegetarians are also committing violence against other living entities because vegetables also have life. Nondevotees are killing cows, goats and so many other animals for eating purposes, and a devotee, who is vegetarian, is also killing. But here, significantly, it is stated that every living entity has to live by killing another entity; that is the law of nature. Jivo jivasya jivanam: one living entity is the life for another living entity. But for a human being, that violence should be committed only as much as necessary. A human being is not to eat anything which is not offered to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. One becomes freed from all sinful reactions by eating foodstuffs which are offered to Yajna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. A devotee therefore eats only prasada, or foodstuffs offered to the Supreme Lord, and Krishna says that when a devotee offers Him foodstuffs from the vegetable kingdom, with devotion, He eats that. A devotee is to offer to Krishna foodstuffs prepared from vegetables. If the Supreme Lord wanted foodstuffs prepared from animal food, the devotee could offer this, but He does not order to do that. We have to commit violence; that is a natural law. We should not, however, commit violence extravagantly, but only as much as ordered by the Lord. Arjuna engaged in the art of killing, and although killing is, of course, violence, he killed the enemy simply on Krishna order. In the same way, if we commit violence as it is necessary, by the order of the Lord. We cannot avoid violence, for we are put into a conditional life in which we have to commit violence, but we should not commit more violence than necessary or than ordered by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Thou Shall Not KillYou must have discrimination. You are human beings; you are not cats and dogs. You must have discrimination, what to eat, what to not eat. Because we have to eat some other living entity, it does not mean that I shall eat my sons and daughters. "Discrimination is the best part of valor." So far we are concerned, we are eating certainly vegetable, but not directly. We eat Krishna-prasadam. Krishna says, patram punpam phalam toyam yo me bhaktya prayacchati: "Anyone who offers Me with love and affection vegetables, grains, milk, I eat." So if there is any sin for eating vegetables, that is Krishna sin, not our sin. We take the prasadam. We are teaching people to eat Krishna-prasadam. We are not teaching people to become vegetarian or non-vegetarian. That is not our business. After all, we have to eat, so if we eat Krishna-prasadam. "If you accept prasadam which is offered to God, then you are free from all sinful resultant action." Bhagavad-gita 4.10 Eating Vegetables Is Also ViolentIn this way, one living entity is food for the another. Then these animal killers, they may not be encouraged, "So then we are doing nice, because one living entity is food for another. Any moving animals we can eat. Bird, beast, goats, cows, horse, ass, whatever is available." Yes, you can eat. But that is the natural law for the animals and uncivilized man, not for the civilized man. Because one living entity is food for another living entity, you cannot eat your father, mother or children. Why? Because you are human being, you have got discrimination. Of course, in the human form of life, in Africa, they are cannibals. They eat their grandfather as a feast. They make a feast. And, you will be not surprised, they like to eat white man. Yes. In some parts of the Africa, they, whenever they get opportunity to kidnap a white man, they like to eat very much.So although the nature's law is like that, one animal or one living entity is the foodstuff for another, but that should be, there should be discrimination. So far we are concerned, Krishna conscious men, we are not animals. We are perfect beings. We don't eat any living entity. One living entity is the food for another living entity. That is lower grade life. In the higher grade life, no, they cannot kill anyone for eating purposes. Therefore in the Bible the First Commandment is "Thou shalt not kill." But all these Christians, they are violating the First Commandment. That is their business. Simply engaged in killing, big, big slaughterhouse. And they give the example that "Others are eating vegetable, that is also killing." Yes, that is also killing. But that I have already explained, that because one living entity is foodstuff for another living entity, that does not mean you shall eat your family members or any human being. No, there must be discrimination. But so far we are concerned, we are not killing anybody for eating purposes. We are eating Krishna -prasada, foodstuff which is offered to Krishna and then we eat. The remnants of foodstuff we eat. And Krishna says, patram punpam phalam toyam yo me bhaktya prayacchati. "A leaf, a flower, fruit and liquid, milk or water, all these things, within these categories, whatever a devotee offers Me in love and devotion, I eat." Should Not Eat Meat to Satisfy TongueOur prohibited injunctions are that we should not eat meat. So I have seen when on the plane. But on the plane we see so many European, American friends traveling. They are eating the meat, not very large quantity, very little quantity. Some of them are eating voraciously, no, but generally I see if they give up that little one piece of meat, say, one ounce or two ounce, immediately we can save ourself from so much sinful activities, so many slaughterhouses running on all over the world. If we simply control the tongue, what is that? You are eating a piece of meat. But they cannot. They cannot. The tongue is dictating, "No, meat is very nice. Take it." A little. It is not much. He's not living on meat. There are loafs, there are vegetables. Actually he's living on that. Nobody takes two or three loaf, of the same weight meat. Meat, little quantity. But they take loaf, butter, rice, other things. Without vegetables, without food grains, you cannot live. It is simply for the tongue. Simply for this tongue, little only. He cannot live simply on meat unless he's an animal exactly. He has to take vegetable, food grains, butter. These are milk products. Otherwise he has no chance to live. But for the tongue's sake he's taking little piece of meat, and for that reason, we have to maintain thousands and thousands of slaughterhouse. Simply for the tongue we are committing so much sinful activities and becoming implicated because implication means there is no God consciousness, no Krishna consciousness. Humans Should Discriminate What They Should EatAlthough the law is, nature's law is that "One living entity is the food for another living entity." But a human being should be discriminative. If I can live by eating fruits and grains and milk, why shall I kill animal? This is human consciousness. Milk, if you get milk, you can prepare hundreds of nice preparations, all full of vitamins and nourishing. The milk is also produced out of the blood. So it is intelligence. You are drinking the blood in a different way, produced by nature with more vitamin values and more taste and more gentlemen. Why should you kill one cow and try to drink the blood? The blood is there already, but in a different form, without any violence. And we have seen it. It is practical experience that if the cows are assured they would not be killed, they will give you double milk. Man Should DiscrinateSo in all scriptures it is stated that man should live on fruits and vegetables. Their teeth are made in that way. They can eat very easily and digest. Although jivo jivasya jivanam: one has to live by eating another living entity. That is nature's law. So the vegetarian also eating another living entity. And the meat-eater, they're also eating another. But there is discretion. Discretion means that these things are made for human being. Just like fruits, flowers, vegetables, rice, grains, milk-the animals do not come to claim that "I shall eat this." No. It is meant for man. Just like milk. Milk is an animal product. It is the blood of the cow changed only. But the milk is not drunk by the cow. She is delivering the milk, but she's not taking, because it is not allotted for it. By nature's way. So you have to take. Milk is made for man, so you take the milk. Let her live and supply you milk continually. Why should you kill? Follow nature's law. Then you'll be happy. Whatever is allotted to you, take. You live comfortably. Slaughtering Animals, Especailly Cows is Bad KarmaSlaughtering poor animals is also due to the mode of ignorance. The animal killers do not know that in the future the animal will have a body suitable to kill them. That is the law of nature. In human society, if one kills a man he has to be hanged. That is the law of the state. Because of ignorance, people do not perceive that there is a complete state controlled by the Supreme Lord. Every living creature is a son of the Supreme Lord, and He does not tolerate even an ant's being killed. One has to pay for it. So indulgence in animal killing for the taste of the tongue is the grossest kind of ignorance. A human being has no need to kill animals, because God has supplied so many nice things. If one indulges in meat-eating anyway, it is to be understood that he is acting in ignorance and is making his future very dark. Of all kinds of animal killing, the killing of cows is most vicious because the cow gives us all kinds of pleasure by supplying milk. Cow slaughter is an act of the grossest type of ignorance. There is also a prayer in the Vedic literature that states: namo brahmanya-devayago-brahmana-hitaya cajagad-dhitaya kanaayagovindaya namo namah "My Lord, You are the well-wisher of the cows and the brähmaëas, and You are the well-wisher of the entire human society and world." (Visnu Purana 1.19.65) The purport is that special mention is given in that prayer for the protection of the cows and the brahmanas. Brähmaëas are the symbol of spiritual education, and cows are the symbol of the most valuable food; these two living creatures, the brahmanas and the cows, must be given all protection-that is real advancement of civilization. In modern human society, spiritual knowledge is neglected, and cow killing is encouraged. It is to be understood, then, that human society is advancing in the wrong direction and is clearing the path to its own condemnation. A civilization which guides the citizens to become animals in their next lives is certainly not a human civilization. The present human civilization is, of course, grossly misled by the modes of passion and ignorance. It is a very dangerous age, and all nations should take care to provide the easiest process, Krishna consciousness, to save humanity from the greatest danger. According to Smiti regulation, the cow is the mother and the bull the father of the human being. The cow is the mother because just as one sucks the breast of one's mother, human society takes cow's milk. Similarly, the bull is the father of human society because the father earns for the children just as the bull tills the ground to produce food grains. Human society will kill its spirit of life by killing the father and the mother. Cows Never Meant to Be Eaten by Human BeingCows, however, are never meant to be killed or eaten by human beings. In every sastra, cow killing is vehemently condemned. Indeed, one who kills a cow must suffer for as many years as there are hairs on the body of a cow. Manu-samhita says: we have many tendencies in this material world, but in human life one is meant to learn how to curb those tendencies. Those who desire to eat meat may satisfy the demands of their tongues by eating lower animals, but they should never kill cows, who are actually accepted as the mothers of human society because they supply milk. The sastra especially recommends, kani-go-raksya: the vaisya section of humanity should arrange for the food of the entire society through agricultural activities and should give full protection to the cows, which are the most useful animals because they supply milk to human society. Krishna Stresses Cow ProtectionThis is the injunction of Bhagavad-gétä. In the matter of protecting the cows, the meat-eaters will protest, but in answer to them we may say that since Krishna gives stress to cow protection, those who are inclined to eat meat may eat the flesh of unimportant animals like hogs, dogs, goats and sheep, but they should not touch the life of the cows, for this is destructive to the spiritual advancement of human society. Animal Killers Debt to the Animals that They Kill and EatA former president of the United States from Texas did not consider any social occasion complete without the slaughtering of a cow. Such persons mistakenly consider themselves to be perfectly observing the laws of God and due to such arrogant foolishness lose all touch with reality. When a man is raising an animal for slaughter, he feeds the animal nicely and encourages it to grow fat. Thus the animal gradually accepts its would-be killer as its protector and master. When the master finally approaches the helpless animal with a sharp knife or gun, the animal thinks, "Oh, my master is joking with me." Only at the last minute does the animal understand that the so-called master is death personified. It is clearly stated in Vedic literature that cruel masters who kill innocent animals will undoubtedly be killed in the next life by a similar process. "That creature whose flesh I am eating here and now will consume me in the next life.' Thus meat is called mäàsa, as described by learned authorities." In Srimad-Bhägavatam this grizzly fate of animal killers is described by Narada Muni "O ruler of the citizens, my dear King, please see in the sky those animals which you have sacrificed, without compassion and without mercy, in the sacrificial arena. All these animals are awaiting your death so that they can avenge the injuries you have inflicted upon them. After you die, they will angrily pierce your body with iron horns." (Bhag. 4.25.7-8) In other words, one who kills an animal or who eats meat undoubtedly acquires a debt to the living entity who has contributed his body for the satisfaction of the meat-eater. The meat-eater must pay his debt by contributing his own body to be consumed in the next life. Such payment of one's debt by offering one's own body to be eaten is confirmed in the Vedic literature. In the Vedic scriptures there are concessions for meat-eaters. It is said that if one wants to eat meat, he should kill a goat before the goddess Kali and then eat its meat. Meat-eaters are not allowed to purchase meat or flesh from a market or slaughterhouse. There are no sanctions for maintaining regular slaughterhouses to satisfy the tongues of meat-eaters. Why Cows Are ProtectedIn India, the cow is considered sacred not because Indian people are primitive worshipers of mythological totems but because Hindus intelligently understand that the cow is a mother. As children, nearly all of us were nourished with cow's milk, and therefore the cow is one of our mothers. Certainly one's mother is sacred, and therefore we should not kill the sacred cow. Everyone can understand that we drink the milk of cows and take the help of bulls in producing agricultural products. Therefore, since our real father gives us food grains and our mother gives us milk with which to live, the cow and bull are considered our father and mother. According to Vedic civilization, there are seven mothers, of which the cow is one. In any civilized human society, no one would dare kill his father and mother for the purpose of eating them. Why is cow protection so much advocated? Because the cow is the most important animal. There is no injunction that one should not eat the flesh of tigers or other such animals. In the Vedic culture those who are meat-eaters are recommended to eat the flesh of goats, dogs, hogs, or other lower animals, but never the flesh of cows, the most important animals. While living, the cows give important service by giving milk, and even after death they give service by making available their skin, hooves, and horns, which may be used in many ways. Nonetheless, the present human society is so ungrateful that they needlessly kill these innocent cows. Therefore Krishna comes to punish them. "My Lord, You are the well-wisher of the cows and the brahmanas, and You are the well-wisher of the entire human society and world." For perfect human society there must be protection of go-dvija-the cows and the brahmanas. The word dvija refers to the brahmana, or one who knows Brahman (God). When the demoniac give too much trouble to the brahmanas and the cows, Krishna descends to reestablish religious principles. Cows Are Your MotherSo if the cow is your mother, how can you support killing her? You take the milk from her, and when she's old and cannot give you milk, you cut her throat. Is that a very humane proposal? In India those who are meat-eaters are advised to kill some lower animals like goats, pigs, or even buffalo. But cow killing is the greatest sin. In preaching Krishna consciousness we ask people not to eat any kind of meat, and my disciples strictly follow this principle. But if, under certain circumstances, others are obliged to eat meat, then they should eat the flesh of some lower animal. Don't kill cows. It is the greatest sin. And as long as a man is sinful, he cannot understand God. The human being's main business is to understand God and to love Him. But if you remain sinful, you will never be able to understand God-what to speak of loving Him. Animals Have a SoulChristianity's sanction of meat-eating is based on the view that lower species of life do not have a soul like the human being's. That is foolishness. First of all, we have to understand the evidence of the soul's presence within the body. Then we can see whether the human being has a soul and the cow does not. What are the different characteristics of the cow and the man? If we find a difference in characteristics, then we can say that in the animal there is no soul. But if we see that the animal and the human being have the same characteristics, then how can you say that the animal has no soul? The general symptoms are that the animal eats, you eat; the animal sleeps, you sleep; the animal mates, you mate; the animal defends, and you defend. Where is the difference? Our Bhagavad-gita says sarva-yoninu, "In all species of life the soul exists." The body is like a suit of clothes. You have black clothes; I am dressed in saffron clothes. But within the dress you are a human being, and I am also a human being. Similarly, the bodies of the different species are just like different types of dress. There are soul, a part and parcel of God. Suppose a man has two sons, not equally meritorious. One may be a Supreme Court judge and the other may be a common laborer, but the father claims both as his sons. He does not make the distinction that the son who is a judge is very important and the worker-son is not important. And if the judge-son says, "My dear father, your other son is useless; let me cut him up and eat him," will the father allow this? That difference between human life and animal life is due to the development of consciousness. In the human body there is developed consciousness. Even a tree has a soul, but a tree's consciousness is not very developed. If you cut a tree it does not resist. Actually, it does resist, but only to a very small degree. There is a scientist named Jagadish Chandra Bose who has made a machine which shows that trees and plants are able to feel pain when they are cut. And we can see directly that when someone comes to kill an animal, it resists, it cries, it makes a horrible sound. So it is a matter of the development of consciousness. But the soul is there within all living beings. The animal eats to maintain his body, and you also eat in order to maintain your body. The cow eats grass in the field, and the human being eats meat from a huge slaughterhouse full of modern machines. But just because you have big machines and a ghastly scene, while the animal simply eats grass, this does not mean that you are so advanced that only within your body is there a soul and that there is not a soul within the body of the animal. That is illogical. We can see that the basic characteristics are the same in the animal and the human being. In every living being there is a spirit soul. Animals Are Our Brothers"Here is my American brother, and here is my Indian brother. Now let us eat this cow." Such a person may look on other humans as brothers, but he looks on the cow as food. Is this universal love? A Krishna conscious person, however, thinks, "Oh, here is a cow. Here is a dog. They are part and parcel of Krishna, but somehow or other they have acquired different bodies. This does not mean that they are not my brothers. How can I kill and eat my brothers?" That is true universal love-rooted in love for Krishna. Without such Krishna consciousness, there is no question of love at all. One may kill an animal to enjoy eating it, but he will be bound by such an action. Thus in one's next life he will become a cow or a goat, and the cow or goat will become a man and eat him. This is the Vedic statement, and as with all Vedic statements, one may believe it or not. Unfortunately, at present people are educated in such a way that they do not believe in the next life. Indeed, it seems that the more "educated" one becomes, the less he believes in God, in God's law, in the next life and in sinful and pious activities. Thus modern education is simply preparing men to become animals. If there is no education to teach a human being what he is and whether or not he is this body, he remains no better than an ass. An ass also thinks, "I am this body," as do other animals. Thus if a man thinks in the same way, how is he different from any other animal? Extremely Bad Karma to Kill AnimalsBut we want to stop these killing houses. It is very, very sinful. That is why all over the world they have so many wars. Every ten or fifteen years there is a big war-a wholesale slaughterhouse for humankind. But these rascals-they do not see it, that by the law of karma, every action must have its reaction. You are killing innocent cows and other animals-nature will take revenge. Just wait. As soon as the time is right, nature will gather all these rascals and slaughter them. Finished. They'll fight amongst themselves-Protestants and Catholics, Russia and America, this one and that one. It is going on. Why? That is nature's law. Tit for tat. "You have killed. Now you kill yourselves." They are sending animals to the slaughterhouse, and now they'll create their own slaughterhouse. This is nature's law. It's not necessary that you be sent to the ordinary slaughterhouse. You'll make a slaughterhouse at home. You'll kill your own child-abortion. This is nature's law. Who are these children being killed? They are these meat-eaters. They enjoyed themselves when so many animals were killed, and now they're being killed by their mothers. People do not know how nature is working. If you kill, you must be killed. If you kill the cow, who is your mother, then in some future lifetime your mother will kill you. Yes. The mother becomes the child, and the child becomes the mother. I am killing this animal; I am eating him. And in my next lifetime he'll kill me and eat me. When the animal is sacrificed, this mantra is recited into the ear of the animal-"You are giving your life, so in your next life you will get the opportunity of becoming a human being. And I who am now killing you will become an animal, and you will kill me." So after understanding this mantra, who will be ready to kill an animal? If you eat meat, that means you become implicated in sinful activities. You have to be killed by your enemy, and he will eat you, or you become a goat or a hog or a cow, and your other person will kill you. Just like nowadays this contraceptive, abortion, killing the child is going on, so the same man, again he is killed by the so-called father and mother. It will act. This is nature's law. You cannot escape. If you have killed an animal, then you must be killed by that animal. When I eat meat, this animal also will eat me again." This You cannot escape this. "Life for life." That is the law everywhere. If you have murdered somebody, you must be killed also. So you can escape the so-called state laws, but you cannot escape the laws of the material nature. If you know of a vegetarian restaurant that is not listed here, or if you would like to help update our listings, please e-mail us at: vrupdate Our own Vegetarian, Vegan, Alternative & Spiritual Sales Shop Buy Spiritual India, A Practical Guide Please Help Support This Site Buy USA Vegetarian Restaurants Book Please check out our Natural Nirvana Store, which we started to help pay for the maintenance of this Website. Natural Nirvana is dedicated to selling vegetarian, spiritual and alternative products. 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