Guest guest Posted August 19, 2007 Report Share Posted August 19, 2007 Dear Fellow Members, I posted the query below last year but without any response so far. If anyone has knowledge about this, it would be very welcome. Also, I was informed the harvesting season in Nepal starts in September, but also read that many farmers harvest their beads too early, this for various reasons. Is the fully ripened beads harvested later ie. October, November, December? Thanks, Ole Alstrup sacred-objects , " alstrup " <alstrup wrote: > > > It is said that ripe Rudraksha beads have more power and lifespan than > unripe beads. Is it true that the only difference between a ripe and > unripe bead is an increase in weight? > > What is the botanical difference between a ripe and a unripe bead, is it > the matured size of the seeds inside the locules of the bead chambers? > How does one determine if the bead inside a fruit is fully ripen on the > tree, according to the ripen look of the fruit? Ideally, I guess the > fruit should fall off the tree by itself for Nature to show the bead is > fully ripen. > > Thanks, > > ~ Ole > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2007 Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 dear friend ole as per my experience and knowledge, your observation is true that unripe rudraksha are not only light in weight but also float in water. hence we do a sort of curing by dipping them in oil and keep them in that condition for few months so that they become old and gain weight and dip in water. here unripe word may be synonymous with new, freshly plucked rudraksha as no farmer waits for the rudraksha to fall on the ground after ripening. so this is no secret that all freshly plucked rudraksha are kept in oil for few months. i do not know the answers for the harvesting months and other members who have ground knowledge on this may answer this. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com sacred-objects , " alstrup " <alstrup wrote: > > Dear Fellow Members, > > I posted the query below last year but without any response so far. > > If anyone has knowledge about this, it would be very welcome. > > Also, I was informed the harvesting season in Nepal starts in > September, but also read that many farmers harvest their beads too > early, this for various reasons. Is the fully ripened beads > harvested later ie. October, November, December? > > Thanks, > > Ole Alstrup > > sacred-objects , " alstrup " <alstrup@> wrote: > > > > > > It is said that ripe Rudraksha beads have more power and lifespan > than > > unripe beads. Is it true that the only difference between a ripe > and > > unripe bead is an increase in weight? > > > > What is the botanical difference between a ripe and a unripe bead, > is it > > the matured size of the seeds inside the locules of the bead > chambers? > > How does one determine if the bead inside a fruit is fully ripen > on the > > tree, according to the ripen look of the fruit? Ideally, I guess > the > > fruit should fall off the tree by itself for Nature to show the > bead is > > fully ripen. > > > > Thanks, > > > > ~ Ole > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2007 Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 Dear Pandit Arjun, I dont think it is the norm to soak beads in oil up to 2 months to make them heavy and sink in water? This is called cheating, trying to pass off unripe beads as ripe! If unripe beads are soaked for a few days they will become heavy and change color, soaking for some weeks then they can sink, but in any case they will darken quite quickly and you can see this. If the harvesting season starts in September, soaked beads for 2 months would become available only in November and that is not the norm, so I dont really understand your reasoning? Thanks, Ole panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friend oleas per my experience and knowledge, your observation is true that unripe rudraksha are not only light in weight but also float in water. hence we do a sort of curing by dipping them in oil and keep them in that condition for few months so that they become old and gain weight and dip in water. here unripe word may be synonymous with new, freshly plucked rudraksha as no farmer waits for the rudraksha to fall on the ground after ripening. so this is no secret that all freshly plucked rudraksha are kept in oil for few months.i do not know the answers for the harvesting months and other members who have ground knowledge on this may answer this.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy.comsacred-objects , "alstrup" <alstrup wrote:>> Dear Fellow Members,> > I posted the query below last year but without any response so far.> > If anyone has knowledge about this, it would be very welcome. > > Also, I was informed the harvesting season in Nepal starts in > September, but also read that many farmers harvest their beads too > early, this for various reasons. Is the fully ripened beads > harvested later ie. October, November, December? > > Thanks,> > Ole Alstrup> > sacred-objects , "alstrup" <alstrup@> wrote:> >> > > > It is said that ripe Rudraksha beads have more power and lifespan > than> > unripe beads. Is it true that the only difference between a ripe > and> > unripe bead is an increase in weight?> > > > What is the botanical difference between a ripe and a unripe bead, > is it> > the matured size of the seeds inside the locules of the bead > chambers?> > How does one determine if the bead inside a fruit is fully ripen > on the> > tree, according to the ripen look of the fruit? Ideally, I guess > the> > fruit should fall off the tree by itself for Nature to show the > bead is> > fully ripen.> > > > Thanks,> > > > ~ Ole> >> Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2007 Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 dear friend ole this is a very sticky issue which is why your query was not answered by others but as i speak the truth, i gave my opinion. in fact the so called old beads sold by the wholesellers in nepal are all soaked in oil for sometime. some wholesellers keep all their higher mukhi beads only in oil and they give different reasons like protecting from infestation, to gain weight so that they will sink etc. the word cheating does not apply here as the genuinity of the product is not tampered. but this soaking in oil happens at the farmer front as well as the wholeseller front and hence the retailers are helpless. many a time, the wholesellers sell the fresh unripe beads at cheaper prices and the old heavy ripe beads at higher prices. these suppliers say that they are TREATING the rudraksha before making it saleworthy. this factual process is shared with the customers beforehand and hence there is no cheating involved. these days many people do not volunteer to give answers to queries and if i come forward, am attracting choicest words like cheating even when i am presenting the facts as they are. many rudrakshas also do not have holes naturally and they get the holes made manually so that they are worth wearing. we cannot call this fiddling or tampering. sometimes while making a pendant even the seeds that obstruct the hole are removed and one has to live with these things if the rudraksha has to become worth wearing. these days fruits are not ripened naturally on the trees and are not allowed to fall on the ground. if they are ripened naturally on the trees, they are eaten by the birds, monkeys, squirrels etc. and the farmowner does not get any natural fruit in his hand. so he plucks the unripe fruits and store them in a room, ripen it and sell. do you call all these fruitsellers cheating. by using the word cheating, are you suggesting that a rudraksha shall not be plucked from the tree in the first instance and let that be ripened and fall on its own weight and then take it and sell it as it is to the retailer. i dont think this happens at all. on my part i can only say that the rudraksha ripening happens at the farm place or at the wholeseller's place and the retailer have no control. if a retailer buys a freshly plucked unripe rudraksha and it floats with light weight, the customer does not take it at all even though it is genuine and natural because of the myth that a genuine rudraksha must sink in the water. you may like to hear views from other learnt expert researchers as to how they view this curing, treating or soaking the rudraksha. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup wrote: > > Dear Pandit Arjun, > > I dont think it is the norm to soak beads in oil up to 2 months to make them heavy and sink in water? This is called cheating, trying to pass off unripe beads as ripe! If unripe beads are soaked for a few days they will become heavy and change color, soaking for some weeks then they can sink, but in any case they will darken quite quickly and you can see this. If the harvesting season starts in September, soaked beads for 2 months would become available only in November and that is not the norm, so I dont really understand your reasoning? > > Thanks, > Ole > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > dear friend ole > > as per my experience and knowledge, your observation is true that > unripe rudraksha are not only light in weight but also float in > water. hence we do a sort of curing by dipping them in oil and keep > them in that condition for few months so that they become old and > gain weight and dip in water. here unripe word may be synonymous > with new, freshly plucked rudraksha as no farmer waits for the > rudraksha to fall on the ground after ripening. so this is no secret > that all freshly plucked rudraksha are kept in oil for few months. > > i do not know the answers for the harvesting months and other members > who have ground knowledge on this may answer this. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > sacred-objects , " alstrup " <alstrup@> wrote: > > > > Dear Fellow Members, > > > > I posted the query below last year but without any response so far. > > > > If anyone has knowledge about this, it would be very welcome. > > > > Also, I was informed the harvesting season in Nepal starts in > > September, but also read that many farmers harvest their beads too > > early, this for various reasons. Is the fully ripened beads > > harvested later ie. October, November, December? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ole Alstrup > > > > sacred-objects , " alstrup " <alstrup@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > It is said that ripe Rudraksha beads have more power and lifespan > > than > > > unripe beads. Is it true that the only difference between a ripe > > and > > > unripe bead is an increase in weight? > > > > > > What is the botanical difference between a ripe and a unripe > bead, > > is it > > > the matured size of the seeds inside the locules of the bead > > chambers? > > > How does one determine if the bead inside a fruit is fully ripen > > on the > > > tree, according to the ripen look of the fruit? Ideally, I guess > > the > > > fruit should fall off the tree by itself for Nature to show the > > bead is > > > fully ripen. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > ~ Ole > > > > > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. 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Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Dear Pandit Arjun, If this is really so as you claim, I appreciate very much your honesty and integrity in making this information available here in public. It will be very interesting to see if there are any other info from other wholesellers/retailers to challenge or refute the information, otherwise I would logically deduct that it is accurate. I find it important that this information is made available to the public, so people know if they are being cheated. I use(d) the word cheating very deliberately as this is my opinion of what is going on, tampering with an unripe bead to make it appear ripe. This is not aimed at your person, this is at what is seemingly going on in the business nowadays to a great extent. As far as I understand it, this phenomenon of harvesting unripe beads has happened in recent years. As I wrote, I know that beads can be soaked to make them appear more ripe, but only have limited personal experience and of course has read a lot. There is still the claim that a natural ripened bead will look different, I have seen photo of this, but would like to investigate this further. About natural hole in Rudraksha, it is a fact that there is loose dried matter (residual fruit pulp) inside a natural hole. I have seen this several times with the raw beads I have purchased. This is removed with a toothpick or something similar. If the hole inside is obstructed by wooden matter from the bead itself in any of the ends, then we could say it has no natural hole? Connected with this I have some very interesting info from a major wholeseller in Nepal: All nepali rudraksha on the planet have natural hole which can be easily drilled by tooth pick apart from 4 5 6 mukhi, which have strong seal on the bottom of the beads for which we need drill machine to remove. Is the above statement true or false? I would like to clarify that I do not believe a rudraksha fruit has to fall off the tree in order for the bead inside to be ripe, I believe it can be harvested at the peak. It would be interesting to get the info from someone who has observed this in person. Many Thanks, Olepanditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friend olethis is a very sticky issue which is why your query was not answered by others but as i speak the truth, i gave my opinion. in fact the so called old beads sold by the wholesellers in nepal are all soaked in oil for sometime. some wholesellers keep all their higher mukhi beads only in oil and they give different reasons like protecting from infestation, to gain weight so that they will sink etc.the word cheating does not apply here as the genuinity of the product is not tampered. but this soaking in oil happens at the farmer front as well as the wholeseller front and hence the retailers are helpless. many a time, the wholesellers sell the fresh unripe beads at cheaper prices and the old heavy ripe beads at higher prices. these suppliers say that they are TREATING the rudraksha before making it saleworthy. this factual process is shared with the customers beforehand and hence there is no cheating involved. these days many people do not volunteer to give answers to queries and if i come forward, am attracting choicest words like cheating even when i am presenting the facts as they are. many rudrakshas also do not have holes naturally and they get the holes made manually so that they are worth wearing. we cannot call this fiddling or tampering. sometimes while making a pendant even the seeds that obstruct the hole are removed and one has to live with these things if the rudraksha has to become worth wearing.these days fruits are not ripened naturally on the trees and are not allowed to fall on the ground. if they are ripened naturally on the trees, they are eaten by the birds, monkeys, squirrels etc. and the farmowner does not get any natural fruit in his hand. so he plucks the unripe fruits and store them in a room, ripen it and sell. do you call all these fruitsellers cheating.by using the word cheating, are you suggesting that a rudraksha shall not be plucked from the tree in the first instance and let that be ripened and fall on its own weight and then take it and sell it as it is to the retailer. i dont think this happens at all.on my part i can only say that the rudraksha ripening happens at the farm place or at the wholeseller's place and the retailer have no control. if a retailer buys a freshly plucked unripe rudraksha and it floats with light weight, the customer does not take it at all even though it is genuine and natural because of the myth that a genuine rudraksha must sink in the water.you may like to hear views from other learnt expert researchers as to how they view this curing, treating or soaking the rudraksha.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy.comsacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup wrote:>> Dear Pandit Arjun,> > I dont think it is the norm to soak beads in oil up to 2 months to make them heavy and sink in water? This is called cheating, trying to pass off unripe beads as ripe! If unripe beads are soaked for a few days they will become heavy and change color, soaking for some weeks then they can sink, but in any case they will darken quite quickly and you can see this. If the harvesting season starts in September, soaked beads for 2 months would become available only in November and that is not the norm, so I dont really understand your reasoning?> > Thanks,> Ole> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:> dear friend ole> > as per my experience and knowledge, your observation is true that > unripe rudraksha are not only light in weight but also float in > water. hence we do a sort of curing by dipping them in oil and keep > them in that condition for few months so that they become old and > gain weight and dip in water. here unripe word may be synonymous > with new, freshly plucked rudraksha as no farmer waits for the > rudraksha to fall on the ground after ripening. so this is no secret > that all freshly plucked rudraksha are kept in oil for few months.> > i do not know the answers for the harvesting months and other members > who have ground knowledge on this may answer this.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy.com> > sacred-objects , "alstrup" <alstrup@> wrote:> >> > Dear Fellow Members,> > > > I posted the query below last year but without any response so far.> > > > If anyone has knowledge about this, it would be very welcome. > > > > Also, I was informed the harvesting season in Nepal starts in > > September, but also read that many farmers harvest their beads too > > early, this for various reasons. Is the fully ripened beads > > harvested later ie. October, November, December? > > > > Thanks,> > > > Ole Alstrup> > > > sacred-objects , "alstrup" <alstrup@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > It is said that ripe Rudraksha beads have more power and lifespan > > than> > > unripe beads. Is it true that the only difference between a ripe > > and> > > unripe bead is an increase in weight?> > > > > > What is the botanical difference between a ripe and a unripe > bead, > > is it> > > the matured size of the seeds inside the locules of the bead > > chambers?> > > How does one determine if the bead inside a fruit is fully ripen > > on the> > > tree, according to the ripen look of the fruit? Ideally, I guess > > the> > > fruit should fall off the tree by itself for Nature to show the > > bead is> > > fully ripen.> > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > ~ Ole> > >> >> > > > > > > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. 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Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 I think Panditji has made some very good and sound points. I applaud his efforts here. JAI AMMA! Surya - panditarjun2004 sacred-objects Tuesday, August 21, 2007 11:58 AM Re: Unripe VS Ripe Rudraksha beads dear friend olethis is a very sticky issue which is why your query was not answered by others but as i speak the truth, i gave my opinion. in fact the so called old beads sold by the wholesellers in nepal are all soaked in oil for sometime. some wholesellers keep all their higher mukhi beads only in oil and they give different reasons like protecting from infestation, to gain weight so that they will sink etc.the word cheating does not apply here as the genuinity of the product is not tampered. but this soaking in oil happens at the farmer front as well as the wholeseller front and hence the retailers are helpless. many a time, the wholesellers sell the fresh unripe beads at cheaper prices and the old heavy ripe beads at higher prices. these suppliers say that they are TREATING the rudraksha before making it saleworthy. this factual process is shared with the customers beforehand and hence there is no cheating involved. these days many people do not volunteer to give answers to queries and if i come forward, am attracting choicest words like cheating even when i am presenting the facts as they are. many rudrakshas also do not have holes naturally and they get the holes made manually so that they are worth wearing. we cannot call this fiddling or tampering. sometimes while making a pendant even the seeds that obstruct the hole are removed and one has to live with these things if the rudraksha has to become worth wearing.these days fruits are not ripened naturally on the trees and are not allowed to fall on the ground. if they are ripened naturally on the trees, they are eaten by the birds, monkeys, squirrels etc. and the farmowner does not get any natural fruit in his hand. so he plucks the unripe fruits and store them in a room, ripen it and sell. do you call all these fruitsellers cheating.by using the word cheating, are you suggesting that a rudraksha shall not be plucked from the tree in the first instance and let that be ripened and fall on its own weight and then take it and sell it as it is to the retailer. i dont think this happens at all.on my part i can only say that the rudraksha ripening happens at the farm place or at the wholeseller's place and the retailer have no control. if a retailer buys a freshly plucked unripe rudraksha and it floats with light weight, the customer does not take it at all even though it is genuine and natural because of the myth that a genuine rudraksha must sink in the water.you may like to hear views from other learnt expert researchers as to how they view this curing, treating or soaking the rudraksha.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraksharemedy.comsacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup wrote:>> Dear Pandit Arjun,> > I dont think it is the norm to soak beads in oil up to 2 months to make them heavy and sink in water? This is called cheating, trying to pass off unripe beads as ripe! If unripe beads are soaked for a few days they will become heavy and change color, soaking for some weeks then they can sink, but in any case they will darken quite quickly and you can see this. If the harvesting season starts in September, soaked beads for 2 months would become available only in November and that is not the norm, so I dont really understand your reasoning?> > Thanks,> Ole> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:> dear friend ole> > as per my experience and knowledge, your observation is true that > unripe rudraksha are not only light in weight but also float in > water. hence we do a sort of curing by dipping them in oil and keep > them in that condition for few months so that they become old and > gain weight and dip in water. here unripe word may be synonymous > with new, freshly plucked rudraksha as no farmer waits for the > rudraksha to fall on the ground after ripening. so this is no secret > that all freshly plucked rudraksha are kept in oil for few months.> > i do not know the answers for the harvesting months and other members > who have ground knowledge on this may answer this.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy.com> > sacred-objects , "alstrup" <alstrup@> wrote:> >> > Dear Fellow Members,> > > > I posted the query below last year but without any response so far.> > > > If anyone has knowledge about this, it would be very welcome. > > > > Also, I was informed the harvesting season in Nepal starts in > > September, but also read that many farmers harvest their beads too > > early, this for various reasons. Is the fully ripened beads > > harvested later ie. October, November, December? > > > > Thanks,> > > > Ole Alstrup> > > > sacred-objects , "alstrup" <alstrup@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > It is said that ripe Rudraksha beads have more power and lifespan > > than> > > unripe beads. Is it true that the only difference between a ripe > > and> > > unripe bead is an increase in weight?> > > > > > What is the botanical difference between a ripe and a unripe > bead, > > is it> > > the matured size of the seeds inside the locules of the bead > > chambers?> > > How does one determine if the bead inside a fruit is fully ripen > > on the> > > tree, according to the ripen look of the fruit? Ideally, I guess > > the> > > fruit should fall off the tree by itself for Nature to show the > > bead is> > > fully ripen.> > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > ~ Ole> > >> >> > > > > > > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. 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Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 dear friend ole you can safely assume that human intervention is there while making available a ripe rudraksha and to what extent is debtable. i have handled several thousands of nepalese rudraksha and have seen most of them having a natural hole and the hole can easily be cleared with a needle. only few beads do not have holes which we need to make. however, i am only a retailer and hence if wholesellers and other large retailers or farmers share their observations on all nepalese rudraksha having natural hole, we can draw a conclusive observation. till then these are my personal observations in my limited knowledge. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraskharemedy.com sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup wrote: > > Dear Pandit Arjun, > > If this is really so as you claim, I appreciate very much your honesty and integrity in making this information available here in public. It will be very interesting to see if there are any other info from other wholesellers/retailers to challenge or refute the information, otherwise I would logically deduct that it is accurate. I find it important that this information is made available to the public, so people know if they are being cheated. I use(d) the word cheating very deliberately as this is my opinion of what is going on, tampering with an unripe bead to make it appear ripe. This is not aimed at your person, this is at what is seemingly going on in the business nowadays to a great extent. As far as I understand it, this phenomenon of harvesting unripe beads has happened in recent years. As I wrote, I know that beads can be soaked to make them appear more ripe, but only have limited personal experience and of course has read a lot. There is still the claim that a > natural ripened bead will look different, I have seen photo of this, but would like to investigate this further. > > About natural hole in Rudraksha, it is a fact that there is loose dried matter (residual fruit pulp) inside a natural hole. I have seen this several times with the raw beads I have purchased. This is removed with a toothpick or something similar. If the hole inside is obstructed by wooden matter from the bead itself in any of the ends, then we could say it has no natural hole? Connected with this I have some very interesting info from a major wholeseller in Nepal: > > All nepali rudraksha on the planet have natural hole which can be easily drilled by tooth pick apart from 4 5 6 mukhi, which have strong seal on the bottom of the beads for which we need drill machine to remove. > > Is the above statement true or false? > > I would like to clarify that I do not believe a rudraksha fruit has to fall off the tree in order for the bead inside to be ripe, I believe it can be harvested at the peak. It would be interesting to get the info from someone who has observed this in person. > > Many Thanks, > > Ole > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: > dear friend ole > > this is a very sticky issue which is why your query was not answered > by others but as i speak the truth, i gave my opinion. in fact the > so called old beads sold by the wholesellers in nepal are all soaked > in oil for sometime. some wholesellers keep all their higher mukhi > beads only in oil and they give different reasons like protecting > from infestation, to gain weight so that they will sink etc. > > the word cheating does not apply here as the genuinity of the product > is not tampered. but this soaking in oil happens at the farmer front > as well as the wholeseller front and hence the retailers are > helpless. many a time, the wholesellers sell the fresh unripe beads > at cheaper prices and the old heavy ripe beads at higher prices. > these suppliers say that they are TREATING the rudraksha before > making it saleworthy. this factual process is shared with the > customers beforehand and hence there is no cheating involved. these > days many people do not volunteer to give answers to queries and if i > come forward, am attracting choicest words like cheating even when i > am presenting the facts as they are. > > many rudrakshas also do not have holes naturally and they get the > holes made manually so that they are worth wearing. we cannot call > this fiddling or tampering. sometimes while making a pendant even > the seeds that obstruct the hole are removed and one has to live with > these things if the rudraksha has to become worth wearing. > > these days fruits are not ripened naturally on the trees and are not > allowed to fall on the ground. if they are ripened naturally on the > trees, they are eaten by the birds, monkeys, squirrels etc. and the > farmowner does not get any natural fruit in his hand. so he plucks > the unripe fruits and store them in a room, ripen it and sell. do > you call all these fruitsellers cheating. > > by using the word cheating, are you suggesting that a rudraksha shall > not be plucked from the tree in the first instance and let that be > ripened and fall on its own weight and then take it and sell it as it > is to the retailer. i dont think this happens at all. > > on my part i can only say that the rudraksha ripening happens at the > farm place or at the wholeseller's place and the retailer have no > control. if a retailer buys a freshly plucked unripe rudraksha and > it floats with light weight, the customer does not take it at all > even though it is genuine and natural because of the myth that a > genuine rudraksha must sink in the water. > > you may like to hear views from other learnt expert researchers as to > how they view this curing, treating or soaking the rudraksha. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun, > > > > I dont think it is the norm to soak beads in oil up to 2 months > to make them heavy and sink in water? This is called cheating, trying > to pass off unripe beads as ripe! If unripe beads are soaked for a > few days they will become heavy and change color, soaking for some > weeks then they can sink, but in any case they will darken quite > quickly and you can see this. If the harvesting season starts in > September, soaked beads for 2 months would become available only in > November and that is not the norm, so I dont really understand your > reasoning? > > > > Thanks, > > Ole > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > dear friend ole > > > > as per my experience and knowledge, your observation is true that > > unripe rudraksha are not only light in weight but also float in > > water. hence we do a sort of curing by dipping them in oil and keep > > them in that condition for few months so that they become old and > > gain weight and dip in water. here unripe word may be synonymous > > with new, freshly plucked rudraksha as no farmer waits for the > > rudraksha to fall on the ground after ripening. so this is no > secret > > that all freshly plucked rudraksha are kept in oil for few months. > > > > i do not know the answers for the harvesting months and other > members > > who have ground knowledge on this may answer this. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > sacred-objects , " alstrup " <alstrup@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Fellow Members, > > > > > > I posted the query below last year but without any response so > far. > > > > > > If anyone has knowledge about this, it would be very welcome. > > > > > > Also, I was informed the harvesting season in Nepal starts in > > > September, but also read that many farmers harvest their beads > too > > > early, this for various reasons. Is the fully ripened beads > > > harvested later ie. October, November, December? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Ole Alstrup > > > > > > sacred-objects , " alstrup " <alstrup@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that ripe Rudraksha beads have more power and > lifespan > > > than > > > > unripe beads. Is it true that the only difference between a > ripe > > > and > > > > unripe bead is an increase in weight? > > > > > > > > What is the botanical difference between a ripe and a unripe > > bead, > > > is it > > > > the matured size of the seeds inside the locules of the bead > > > chambers? > > > > How does one determine if the bead inside a fruit is fully > ripen > > > on the > > > > tree, according to the ripen look of the fruit? Ideally, I > guess > > > the > > > > fruit should fall off the tree by itself for Nature to show the > > > bead is > > > > fully ripen. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > ~ Ole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit > now. > > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this month. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 dear sir Can i know which rudraksha has got more effective small or big, nepali, or himalaya, or java what should be the combination egs: you may say nepali big bead is power full or himalaya small bead is power full please give me the details best regards Vignhesh panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear friend oleyou can safely assume that human intervention is there while making available a ripe rudraksha and to what extent is debtable.i have handled several thousands of nepalese rudraksha and have seen most of them having a natural hole and the hole can easily be cleared with a needle. only few beads do not have holes which we need to make. however, i am only a retailer and hence if wholesellers and other large retailers or farmers share their observations on all nepalese rudraksha having natural hole, we can draw a conclusive observation. till then these are my personal observations in my limited knowledge.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunwww.rudraskharemedy.comsacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup wrote:>> Dear Pandit Arjun,> > If this is really so as you claim, I appreciate very much your honesty and integrity in making this information available here in public. It will be very interesting to see if there are any other info from other wholesellers/retailers to challenge or refute the information, otherwise I would logically deduct that it is accurate. I find it important that this information is made available to the public, so people know if they are being cheated. I use(d) the word cheating very deliberately as this is my opinion of what is going on, tampering with an unripe bead to make it appear ripe. This is not aimed at your person, this is at what is seemingly going on in the business nowadays to a great extent. As far as I understand it, this phenomenon of harvesting unripe beads has happened in recent years. As I wrote, I know that beads can be soaked to make them appear more ripe, but only have limited personal experience and of course has read a lot. There is still the claim that a> natural ripened bead will look different, I have seen photo of this, but would like to investigate this further.> > About natural hole in Rudraksha, it is a fact that there is loose dried matter (residual fruit pulp) inside a natural hole. I have seen this several times with the raw beads I have purchased. This is removed with a toothpick or something similar. If the hole inside is obstructed by wooden matter from the bead itself in any of the ends, then we could say it has no natural hole? Connected with this I have some very interesting info from a major wholeseller in Nepal:> > All nepali rudraksha on the planet have natural hole which can be easily drilled by tooth pick apart from 4 5 6 mukhi, which have strong seal on the bottom of the beads for which we need drill machine to remove.> > Is the above statement true or false?> > I would like to clarify that I do not believe a rudraksha fruit has to fall off the tree in order for the bead inside to be ripe, I believe it can be harvested at the peak. It would be interesting to get the info from someone who has observed this in person. > > Many Thanks,> > Ole> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:> dear friend ole> > this is a very sticky issue which is why your query was not answered > by others but as i speak the truth, i gave my opinion. in fact the > so called old beads sold by the wholesellers in nepal are all soaked > in oil for sometime. some wholesellers keep all their higher mukhi > beads only in oil and they give different reasons like protecting > from infestation, to gain weight so that they will sink etc.> > the word cheating does not apply here as the genuinity of the product > is not tampered. but this soaking in oil happens at the farmer front > as well as the wholeseller front and hence the retailers are > helpless. many a time, the wholesellers sell the fresh unripe beads > at cheaper prices and the old heavy ripe beads at higher prices. > these suppliers say that they are TREATING the rudraksha before > making it saleworthy. this factual process is shared with the > customers beforehand and hence there is no cheating involved. these > days many people do not volunteer to give answers to queries and if i > come forward, am attracting choicest words like cheating even when i > am presenting the facts as they are. > > many rudrakshas also do not have holes naturally and they get the > holes made manually so that they are worth wearing. we cannot call > this fiddling or tampering. sometimes while making a pendant even > the seeds that obstruct the hole are removed and one has to live with > these things if the rudraksha has to become worth wearing.> > these days fruits are not ripened naturally on the trees and are not > allowed to fall on the ground. if they are ripened naturally on the > trees, they are eaten by the birds, monkeys, squirrels etc. and the > farmowner does not get any natural fruit in his hand. so he plucks > the unripe fruits and store them in a room, ripen it and sell. do > you call all these fruitsellers cheating.> > by using the word cheating, are you suggesting that a rudraksha shall > not be plucked from the tree in the first instance and let that be > ripened and fall on its own weight and then take it and sell it as it > is to the retailer. i dont think this happens at all.> > on my part i can only say that the rudraksha ripening happens at the > farm place or at the wholeseller's place and the retailer have no > control. if a retailer buys a freshly plucked unripe rudraksha and > it floats with light weight, the customer does not take it at all > even though it is genuine and natural because of the myth that a > genuine rudraksha must sink in the water.> > you may like to hear views from other learnt expert researchers as to > how they view this curing, treating or soaking the rudraksha.> > with best wishes and blessings> pandit arjun> www.rudraksharemedy.com> > sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup@> > wrote:> >> > Dear Pandit Arjun,> > > > I dont think it is the norm to soak beads in oil up to 2 months > to make them heavy and sink in water? This is called cheating, trying > to pass off unripe beads as ripe! If unripe beads are soaked for a > few days they will become heavy and change color, soaking for some > weeks then they can sink, but in any case they will darken quite > quickly and you can see this. If the harvesting season starts in > September, soaked beads for 2 months would become available only in > November and that is not the norm, so I dont really understand your > reasoning?> > > > Thanks,> > Ole> > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> > dear friend ole> > > > as per my experience and knowledge, your observation is true that > > unripe rudraksha are not only light in weight but also float in > > water. hence we do a sort of curing by dipping them in oil and keep > > them in that condition for few months so that they become old and > > gain weight and dip in water. here unripe word may be synonymous > > with new, freshly plucked rudraksha as no farmer waits for the > > rudraksha to fall on the ground after ripening. so this is no > secret > > that all freshly plucked rudraksha are kept in oil for few months.> > > > i do not know the answers for the harvesting months and other > members > > who have ground knowledge on this may answer this.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > sacred-objects , "alstrup" <alstrup@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Fellow Members,> > > > > > I posted the query below last year but without any response so > far.> > > > > > If anyone has knowledge about this, it would be very welcome. > > > > > > Also, I was informed the harvesting season in Nepal starts in > > > September, but also read that many farmers harvest their beads > too > > > early, this for various reasons. Is the fully ripened beads > > > harvested later ie. October, November, December? > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > Ole Alstrup> > > > > > sacred-objects , "alstrup" <alstrup@> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > It is said that ripe Rudraksha beads have more power and > lifespan > > > than> > > > unripe beads. Is it true that the only difference between a > ripe > > > and> > > > unripe bead is an increase in weight?> > > > > > > > What is the botanical difference between a ripe and a unripe > > bead, > > > is it> > > > the matured size of the seeds inside the locules of the bead > > > chambers?> > > > How does one determine if the bead inside a fruit is fully > ripen > > > on the> > > > tree, according to the ripen look of the fruit? Ideally, I > guess > > > the> > > > fruit should fall off the tree by itself for Nature to show the > > > bead is> > > > fully ripen.> > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > > ~ Ole> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit > now.> >> > > > > > > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this month.> Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 Dear Sirs, Is this really true that all beads from Nepal are unripe and soaked in oil to get ripe and old look?? No one is selling mature ripen beads, it is all cheating?? Thanking you, Satyadharma sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friend ole > > you can safely assume that human intervention is there while making > available a ripe rudraksha and to what extent is debtable. > > i have handled several thousands of nepalese rudraksha and have seen > most of them having a natural hole and the hole can easily be cleared > with a needle. only few beads do not have holes which we need to > make. however, i am only a retailer and hence if wholesellers and > other large retailers or farmers share their observations on all > nepalese rudraksha having natural hole, we can draw a conclusive > observation. till then these are my personal observations in my > limited knowledge. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraskharemedy.com > > sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun, > > > > If this is really so as you claim, I appreciate very much your > honesty and integrity in making this information available here in > public. It will be very interesting to see if there are any other > info from other wholesellers/retailers to challenge or refute the > information, otherwise I would logically deduct that it is accurate. > I find it important that this information is made available to the > public, so people know if they are being cheated. I use(d) the word > cheating very deliberately as this is my opinion of what is going on, > tampering with an unripe bead to make it appear ripe. This is not > aimed at your person, this is at what is seemingly going on in the > business nowadays to a great extent. As far as I understand it, this > phenomenon of harvesting unripe beads has happened in recent years. > As I wrote, I know that beads can be soaked to make them appear more > ripe, but only have limited personal experience and of course has > read a lot. There is still the claim that a > > natural ripened bead will look different, I have seen photo of > this, but would like to investigate this further. > > > > About natural hole in Rudraksha, it is a fact that there is loose > dried matter (residual fruit pulp) inside a natural hole. I have seen > this several times with the raw beads I have purchased. This is > removed with a toothpick or something similar. If the hole inside is > obstructed by wooden matter from the bead itself in any of the ends, > then we could say it has no natural hole? Connected with this I have > some very interesting info from a major wholeseller in Nepal: > > > > All nepali rudraksha on the planet have natural hole which can be > easily drilled by tooth pick apart from 4 5 6 mukhi, which have > strong seal on the bottom of the beads for which we need drill > machine to remove. > > > > Is the above statement true or false? > > > > I would like to clarify that I do not believe a rudraksha fruit > has to fall off the tree in order for the bead inside to be ripe, I > believe it can be harvested at the peak. It would be interesting to > get the info from someone who has observed this in person. > > > > Many Thanks, > > > > Ole > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > dear friend ole > > > > this is a very sticky issue which is why your query was not > answered > > by others but as i speak the truth, i gave my opinion. in fact the > > so called old beads sold by the wholesellers in nepal are all > soaked > > in oil for sometime. some wholesellers keep all their higher mukhi > > beads only in oil and they give different reasons like protecting > > from infestation, to gain weight so that they will sink etc. > > > > the word cheating does not apply here as the genuinity of the > product > > is not tampered. but this soaking in oil happens at the farmer > front > > as well as the wholeseller front and hence the retailers are > > helpless. many a time, the wholesellers sell the fresh unripe beads > > at cheaper prices and the old heavy ripe beads at higher prices. > > these suppliers say that they are TREATING the rudraksha before > > making it saleworthy. this factual process is shared with the > > customers beforehand and hence there is no cheating involved. these > > days many people do not volunteer to give answers to queries and if > i > > come forward, am attracting choicest words like cheating even when > i > > am presenting the facts as they are. > > > > many rudrakshas also do not have holes naturally and they get the > > holes made manually so that they are worth wearing. we cannot call > > this fiddling or tampering. sometimes while making a pendant even > > the seeds that obstruct the hole are removed and one has to live > with > > these things if the rudraksha has to become worth wearing. > > > > these days fruits are not ripened naturally on the trees and are > not > > allowed to fall on the ground. if they are ripened naturally on the > > trees, they are eaten by the birds, monkeys, squirrels etc. and the > > farmowner does not get any natural fruit in his hand. so he plucks > > the unripe fruits and store them in a room, ripen it and sell. do > > you call all these fruitsellers cheating. > > > > by using the word cheating, are you suggesting that a rudraksha > shall > > not be plucked from the tree in the first instance and let that be > > ripened and fall on its own weight and then take it and sell it as > it > > is to the retailer. i dont think this happens at all. > > > > on my part i can only say that the rudraksha ripening happens at > the > > farm place or at the wholeseller's place and the retailer have no > > control. if a retailer buys a freshly plucked unripe rudraksha and > > it floats with light weight, the customer does not take it at all > > even though it is genuine and natural because of the myth that a > > genuine rudraksha must sink in the water. > > > > you may like to hear views from other learnt expert researchers as > to > > how they view this curing, treating or soaking the rudraksha. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun, > > > > > > I dont think it is the norm to soak beads in oil up to 2 months > > to make them heavy and sink in water? This is called cheating, > trying > > to pass off unripe beads as ripe! If unripe beads are soaked for a > > few days they will become heavy and change color, soaking for some > > weeks then they can sink, but in any case they will darken quite > > quickly and you can see this. If the harvesting season starts in > > September, soaked beads for 2 months would become available only in > > November and that is not the norm, so I dont really understand your > > reasoning? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Ole > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > dear friend ole > > > > > > as per my experience and knowledge, your observation is true that > > > unripe rudraksha are not only light in weight but also float in > > > water. hence we do a sort of curing by dipping them in oil and > keep > > > them in that condition for few months so that they become old and > > > gain weight and dip in water. here unripe word may be synonymous > > > with new, freshly plucked rudraksha as no farmer waits for the > > > rudraksha to fall on the ground after ripening. so this is no > > secret > > > that all freshly plucked rudraksha are kept in oil for few months. > > > > > > i do not know the answers for the harvesting months and other > > members > > > who have ground knowledge on this may answer this. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > sacred-objects , " alstrup " <alstrup@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Fellow Members, > > > > > > > > I posted the query below last year but without any response so > > far. > > > > > > > > If anyone has knowledge about this, it would be very welcome. > > > > > > > > Also, I was informed the harvesting season in Nepal starts in > > > > September, but also read that many farmers harvest their beads > > too > > > > early, this for various reasons. Is the fully ripened beads > > > > harvested later ie. October, November, December? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Ole Alstrup > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " alstrup " <alstrup@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that ripe Rudraksha beads have more power and > > lifespan > > > > than > > > > > unripe beads. Is it true that the only difference between a > > ripe > > > > and > > > > > unripe bead is an increase in weight? > > > > > > > > > > What is the botanical difference between a ripe and a unripe > > > bead, > > > > is it > > > > > the matured size of the seeds inside the locules of the bead > > > > chambers? > > > > > How does one determine if the bead inside a fruit is fully > > ripen > > > > on the > > > > > tree, according to the ripen look of the fruit? Ideally, I > > guess > > > > the > > > > > fruit should fall off the tree by itself for Nature to show > the > > > > bead is > > > > > fully ripen. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > ~ Ole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good > this month. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2007 Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 dear friend it is not true that all beads are artificially ripened. there are very few beads which are ripened naturally and many beads which are ripened when they got stored as inventory with the wholeseller when these are not sold for few months or years. but these look old and have a different color than the fresh ones plucked newly. most new freshly plucked beads (if not all) float in water and the customers are averse to buy such new beads as they believe in a myth that a genuine rudraksha must sink in water. thanks to those people who wrote books and articles and created this myth that a genuine rudraksha must sink in water, they did not even vaguely mention an exception that new beads are light in weight and do not sink in water. due to the biological threats of infestation and hit by worms etc., many people put them in oil which does not tantamount to cheating as they are only TREATING OR CURING the rudraksha to protect from infestation. products of a tree are naturally prone to their biological threats and when buyers keep vegetables and fruits in a refrigerator at home, you dont call it cheating. when the sellers keep them in cold storages so as to protect its shelf or long life, you only thank them for making available to the products even in unseason. when the holy rudraksha are treated by storing in oil to protect from being eaten by worms, some consumers cry cheating. when we give information on how the rudraksha are made available and the processes they undergo, it shall be reckoned for knowledgeful purposes than to find foul. many holy divine devotees keep buying various malas made from tulasi, bilva and other holy trees. do they start saying that the sellers are cutting and slashing the holy trees that are worshipped and committing a sin and the buyers are abetting in their sins by buying the tualsi beads etc.? NO. a buyer or consumer has the right to gain full knowledge of any product that he buys and it is better if he knows all the processes that the product went through before it reached his hands. genuine sellers like us are always open minded in sharing the processes as there is no cheating involved. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com sacred-objects , " rudraksha67 " <satyadharma wrote: > > Dear Sirs, > > Is this really true that all beads from Nepal are unripe and soaked > in oil to get ripe and old look?? No one is selling mature ripen > beads, it is all cheating?? > > Thanking you, > > Satyadharma > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friend ole > > > > you can safely assume that human intervention is there while > making > > available a ripe rudraksha and to what extent is debtable. > > > > i have handled several thousands of nepalese rudraksha and have > seen > > most of them having a natural hole and the hole can easily be > cleared > > with a needle. only few beads do not have holes which we need to > > make. however, i am only a retailer and hence if wholesellers and > > other large retailers or farmers share their observations on all > > nepalese rudraksha having natural hole, we can draw a conclusive > > observation. till then these are my personal observations in my > > limited knowledge. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraskharemedy.com > > > > sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun, > > > > > > If this is really so as you claim, I appreciate very much your > > honesty and integrity in making this information available here in > > public. It will be very interesting to see if there are any other > > info from other wholesellers/retailers to challenge or refute the > > information, otherwise I would logically deduct that it is > accurate. > > I find it important that this information is made available to the > > public, so people know if they are being cheated. I use(d) the > word > > cheating very deliberately as this is my opinion of what is going > on, > > tampering with an unripe bead to make it appear ripe. This is not > > aimed at your person, this is at what is seemingly going on in the > > business nowadays to a great extent. As far as I understand it, > this > > phenomenon of harvesting unripe beads has happened in recent > years. > > As I wrote, I know that beads can be soaked to make them appear > more > > ripe, but only have limited personal experience and of course has > > read a lot. There is still the claim that a > > > natural ripened bead will look different, I have seen photo of > > this, but would like to investigate this further. > > > > > > About natural hole in Rudraksha, it is a fact that there is > loose > > dried matter (residual fruit pulp) inside a natural hole. I have > seen > > this several times with the raw beads I have purchased. This is > > removed with a toothpick or something similar. If the hole inside > is > > obstructed by wooden matter from the bead itself in any of the > ends, > > then we could say it has no natural hole? Connected with this I > have > > some very interesting info from a major wholeseller in Nepal: > > > > > > All nepali rudraksha on the planet have natural hole which can > be > > easily drilled by tooth pick apart from 4 5 6 mukhi, which have > > strong seal on the bottom of the beads for which we need drill > > machine to remove. > > > > > > Is the above statement true or false? > > > > > > I would like to clarify that I do not believe a rudraksha > fruit > > has to fall off the tree in order for the bead inside to be ripe, > I > > believe it can be harvested at the peak. It would be interesting > to > > get the info from someone who has observed this in person. > > > > > > Many Thanks, > > > > > > Ole > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > dear friend ole > > > > > > this is a very sticky issue which is why your query was not > > answered > > > by others but as i speak the truth, i gave my opinion. in fact > the > > > so called old beads sold by the wholesellers in nepal are all > > soaked > > > in oil for sometime. some wholesellers keep all their higher > mukhi > > > beads only in oil and they give different reasons like > protecting > > > from infestation, to gain weight so that they will sink etc. > > > > > > the word cheating does not apply here as the genuinity of the > > product > > > is not tampered. but this soaking in oil happens at the farmer > > front > > > as well as the wholeseller front and hence the retailers are > > > helpless. many a time, the wholesellers sell the fresh unripe > beads > > > at cheaper prices and the old heavy ripe beads at higher prices. > > > these suppliers say that they are TREATING the rudraksha before > > > making it saleworthy. this factual process is shared with the > > > customers beforehand and hence there is no cheating involved. > these > > > days many people do not volunteer to give answers to queries and > if > > i > > > come forward, am attracting choicest words like cheating even > when > > i > > > am presenting the facts as they are. > > > > > > many rudrakshas also do not have holes naturally and they get > the > > > holes made manually so that they are worth wearing. we cannot > call > > > this fiddling or tampering. sometimes while making a pendant > even > > > the seeds that obstruct the hole are removed and one has to live > > with > > > these things if the rudraksha has to become worth wearing. > > > > > > these days fruits are not ripened naturally on the trees and are > > not > > > allowed to fall on the ground. if they are ripened naturally on > the > > > trees, they are eaten by the birds, monkeys, squirrels etc. and > the > > > farmowner does not get any natural fruit in his hand. so he > plucks > > > the unripe fruits and store them in a room, ripen it and sell. > do > > > you call all these fruitsellers cheating. > > > > > > by using the word cheating, are you suggesting that a rudraksha > > shall > > > not be plucked from the tree in the first instance and let that > be > > > ripened and fall on its own weight and then take it and sell it > as > > it > > > is to the retailer. i dont think this happens at all. > > > > > > on my part i can only say that the rudraksha ripening happens at > > the > > > farm place or at the wholeseller's place and the retailer have > no > > > control. if a retailer buys a freshly plucked unripe rudraksha > and > > > it floats with light weight, the customer does not take it at > all > > > even though it is genuine and natural because of the myth that a > > > genuine rudraksha must sink in the water. > > > > > > you may like to hear views from other learnt expert researchers > as > > to > > > how they view this curing, treating or soaking the rudraksha. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun, > > > > > > > > I dont think it is the norm to soak beads in oil up to 2 > months > > > to make them heavy and sink in water? This is called cheating, > > trying > > > to pass off unripe beads as ripe! If unripe beads are soaked for > a > > > few days they will become heavy and change color, soaking for > some > > > weeks then they can sink, but in any case they will darken quite > > > quickly and you can see this. If the harvesting season starts in > > > September, soaked beads for 2 months would become available only > in > > > November and that is not the norm, so I dont really understand > your > > > reasoning? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ole > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friend ole > > > > > > > > as per my experience and knowledge, your observation is true > that > > > > unripe rudraksha are not only light in weight but also float > in > > > > water. hence we do a sort of curing by dipping them in oil and > > keep > > > > them in that condition for few months so that they become old > and > > > > gain weight and dip in water. here unripe word may be > synonymous > > > > with new, freshly plucked rudraksha as no farmer waits for the > > > > rudraksha to fall on the ground after ripening. so this is no > > > secret > > > > that all freshly plucked rudraksha are kept in oil for few > months. > > > > > > > > i do not know the answers for the harvesting months and other > > > members > > > > who have ground knowledge on this may answer this. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " alstrup " <alstrup@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Fellow Members, > > > > > > > > > > I posted the query below last year but without any response > so > > > far. > > > > > > > > > > If anyone has knowledge about this, it would be very > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > Also, I was informed the harvesting season in Nepal starts > in > > > > > September, but also read that many farmers harvest their > beads > > > too > > > > > early, this for various reasons. Is the fully ripened beads > > > > > harvested later ie. October, November, December? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Ole Alstrup > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " alstrup " <alstrup@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that ripe Rudraksha beads have more power and > > > lifespan > > > > > than > > > > > > unripe beads. Is it true that the only difference between > a > > > ripe > > > > > and > > > > > > unripe bead is an increase in weight? > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the botanical difference between a ripe and a > unripe > > > > bead, > > > > > is it > > > > > > the matured size of the seeds inside the locules of the > bead > > > > > chambers? > > > > > > How does one determine if the bead inside a fruit is fully > > > ripen > > > > > on the > > > > > > tree, according to the ripen look of the fruit? Ideally, I > > > guess > > > > > the > > > > > > fruit should fall off the tree by itself for Nature to > show > > the > > > > > bead is > > > > > > fully ripen. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ Ole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. > Tryit > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For > Good > > this month. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 If you want to avoid unripe or oiled beads please contact Ms Neeta of Rudra Center. Y/s, R Although there has been NO response to this thread, so far, from any of the other noteworthy members who are rudraksha retailers/wholesalers, I I am still in doubt about the claim that nearly all Rudraksha beads on the market today are harvested early from unripe fruits and the beads are automatically treated with oil to make them appear more mature, heavy ie. making the color darker. I have seen the claim that beads from unripe fruits are lighter in color and the seeds inside is not fully developed, so the bead is lighter? I believe a bead should be gathered from Nature at its natural peak to allow the seeds inside to their full possible size, increasing the inherent power of the bead, although there is no direct proof of this with fully developed seeds. I have personally seen that soaking beads in oil will make them darker and superficially make them look like they were from a ripe fruit, that is if the claim about unripen bead=lighter color/weight is true. Now as far as I understand it, the moisture content of a bead is higher when it is just harvested and as the bead naturally dries, the moisture slowly evaporates and the bead will at the same time become lighter in weight. Although soaking in oil will make the bead darker and heavier, it should actually float in water and not sink, since oil is always floating on water? More importantly, there is also the claim that when a fruit is ripe, the color will turn from green to blue and it is only THEN that the natural hole is formed inside the bead? If this is true, so if one is buying a bead with a natural hole, it should show that the bead was taken from a a ripen fruit? Thanks, Ole sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friend > > it is not true that all beads are artificially ripened. there are > very few beads which are ripened naturally and many beads which are > ripened when they got stored as inventory with the wholeseller when > these are not sold for few months or years. but these look old and > have a different color than the fresh ones plucked newly. most new > freshly plucked beads (if not all) float in water and the customers > are averse to buy such new beads as they believe in a myth that a > genuine rudraksha must sink in water. thanks to those people who > wrote books and articles and created this myth that a genuine > rudraksha must sink in water, they did not even vaguely mention an > exception that new beads are light in weight and do not sink in water. > > due to the biological threats of infestation and hit by worms etc., > many people put them in oil which does not tantamount to cheating as > they are only TREATING OR CURING the rudraksha to protect from > infestation. > > products of a tree are naturally prone to their biological threats > and when buyers keep vegetables and fruits in a refrigerator at home, > you dont call it cheating. when the sellers keep them in cold > storages so as to protect its shelf or long life, you only thank them > for making available to the products even in unseason. when the holy > rudraksha are treated by storing in oil to protect from being eaten > by worms, some consumers cry cheating. when we give information on > how the rudraksha are made available and the processes they undergo, > it shall be reckoned for knowledgeful purposes than to find foul. > > many holy divine devotees keep buying various malas made from tulasi, > bilva and other holy trees. do they start saying that the sellers > are cutting and slashing the holy trees that are worshipped and > committing a sin and the buyers are abetting in their sins by buying > the tualsi beads etc.? NO. > > a buyer or consumer has the right to gain full knowledge of any > product that he buys and it is better if he knows all the processes > that the product went through before it reached his hands. genuine > sellers like us are always open minded in sharing the processes as > there is no cheating involved. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > sacred-objects , " rudraksha67 " > <satyadharma@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > Is this really true that all beads from Nepal are unripe and soaked > > in oil to get ripe and old look?? No one is selling mature ripen > > beads, it is all cheating?? > > > > Thanking you, > > > > Satyadharma > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear friend ole > > > > > > you can safely assume that human intervention is there while > > making > > > available a ripe rudraksha and to what extent is debtable. > > > > > > i have handled several thousands of nepalese rudraksha and have > > seen > > > most of them having a natural hole and the hole can easily be > > cleared > > > with a needle. only few beads do not have holes which we need to > > > make. however, i am only a retailer and hence if wholesellers > and > > > other large retailers or farmers share their observations on all > > > nepalese rudraksha having natural hole, we can draw a conclusive > > > observation. till then these are my personal observations in my > > > limited knowledge. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraskharemedy.com > > > > > > sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun, > > > > > > > > If this is really so as you claim, I appreciate very much > your > > > honesty and integrity in making this information available here > in > > > public. It will be very interesting to see if there are any other > > > info from other wholesellers/retailers to challenge or refute the > > > information, otherwise I would logically deduct that it is > > accurate. > > > I find it important that this information is made available to > the > > > public, so people know if they are being cheated. I use(d) the > > word > > > cheating very deliberately as this is my opinion of what is going > > on, > > > tampering with an unripe bead to make it appear ripe. This is not > > > aimed at your person, this is at what is seemingly going on in > the > > > business nowadays to a great extent. As far as I understand it, > > this > > > phenomenon of harvesting unripe beads has happened in recent > > years. > > > As I wrote, I know that beads can be soaked to make them appear > > more > > > ripe, but only have limited personal experience and of course has > > > read a lot. There is still the claim that a > > > > natural ripened bead will look different, I have seen photo of > > > this, but would like to investigate this further. > > > > > > > > About natural hole in Rudraksha, it is a fact that there is > > loose > > > dried matter (residual fruit pulp) inside a natural hole. I have > > seen > > > this several times with the raw beads I have purchased. This is > > > removed with a toothpick or something similar. If the hole inside > > is > > > obstructed by wooden matter from the bead itself in any of the > > ends, > > > then we could say it has no natural hole? Connected with this I > > have > > > some very interesting info from a major wholeseller in Nepal: > > > > > > > > All nepali rudraksha on the planet have natural hole which > can > > be > > > easily drilled by tooth pick apart from 4 5 6 mukhi, which have > > > strong seal on the bottom of the beads for which we need drill > > > machine to remove. > > > > > > > > Is the above statement true or false? > > > > > > > > I would like to clarify that I do not believe a rudraksha > > fruit > > > has to fall off the tree in order for the bead inside to be ripe, > > I > > > believe it can be harvested at the peak. It would be interesting > > to > > > get the info from someone who has observed this in person. > > > > > > > > Many Thanks, > > > > > > > > Ole > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friend ole > > > > > > > > this is a very sticky issue which is why your query was not > > > answered > > > > by others but as i speak the truth, i gave my opinion. in fact > > the > > > > so called old beads sold by the wholesellers in nepal are all > > > soaked > > > > in oil for sometime. some wholesellers keep all their higher > > mukhi > > > > beads only in oil and they give different reasons like > > protecting > > > > from infestation, to gain weight so that they will sink etc. > > > > > > > > the word cheating does not apply here as the genuinity of the > > > product > > > > is not tampered. but this soaking in oil happens at the farmer > > > front > > > > as well as the wholeseller front and hence the retailers are > > > > helpless. many a time, the wholesellers sell the fresh unripe > > beads > > > > at cheaper prices and the old heavy ripe beads at higher > prices. > > > > these suppliers say that they are TREATING the rudraksha before > > > > making it saleworthy. this factual process is shared with the > > > > customers beforehand and hence there is no cheating involved. > > these > > > > days many people do not volunteer to give answers to queries > and > > if > > > i > > > > come forward, am attracting choicest words like cheating even > > when > > > i > > > > am presenting the facts as they are. > > > > > > > > many rudrakshas also do not have holes naturally and they get > > the > > > > holes made manually so that they are worth wearing. we cannot > > call > > > > this fiddling or tampering. sometimes while making a pendant > > even > > > > the seeds that obstruct the hole are removed and one has to > live > > > with > > > > these things if the rudraksha has to become worth wearing. > > > > > > > > these days fruits are not ripened naturally on the trees and > are > > > not > > > > allowed to fall on the ground. if they are ripened naturally on > > the > > > > trees, they are eaten by the birds, monkeys, squirrels etc. and > > the > > > > farmowner does not get any natural fruit in his hand. so he > > plucks > > > > the unripe fruits and store them in a room, ripen it and sell. > > do > > > > you call all these fruitsellers cheating. > > > > > > > > by using the word cheating, are you suggesting that a rudraksha > > > shall > > > > not be plucked from the tree in the first instance and let that > > be > > > > ripened and fall on its own weight and then take it and sell it > > as > > > it > > > > is to the retailer. i dont think this happens at all. > > > > > > > > on my part i can only say that the rudraksha ripening happens > at > > > the > > > > farm place or at the wholeseller's place and the retailer have > > no > > > > control. if a retailer buys a freshly plucked unripe rudraksha > > and > > > > it floats with light weight, the customer does not take it at > > all > > > > even though it is genuine and natural because of the myth that > a > > > > genuine rudraksha must sink in the water. > > > > > > > > you may like to hear views from other learnt expert researchers > > as > > > to > > > > how they view this curing, treating or soaking the rudraksha. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun, > > > > > > > > > > I dont think it is the norm to soak beads in oil up to 2 > > months > > > > to make them heavy and sink in water? This is called cheating, > > > trying > > > > to pass off unripe beads as ripe! If unripe beads are soaked > for > > a > > > > few days they will become heavy and change color, soaking for > > some > > > > weeks then they can sink, but in any case they will darken > quite > > > > quickly and you can see this. If the harvesting season starts > in > > > > September, soaked beads for 2 months would become available > only > > in > > > > November and that is not the norm, so I dont really understand > > your > > > > reasoning? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Ole > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > dear friend ole > > > > > > > > > > as per my experience and knowledge, your observation is true > > that > > > > > unripe rudraksha are not only light in weight but also float > > in > > > > > water. hence we do a sort of curing by dipping them in oil > and > > > keep > > > > > them in that condition for few months so that they become old > > and > > > > > gain weight and dip in water. here unripe word may be > > synonymous > > > > > with new, freshly plucked rudraksha as no farmer waits for > the > > > > > rudraksha to fall on the ground after ripening. so this is no > > > > secret > > > > > that all freshly plucked rudraksha are kept in oil for few > > months. > > > > > > > > > > i do not know the answers for the harvesting months and other > > > > members > > > > > who have ground knowledge on this may answer this. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " alstrup " <alstrup@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Fellow Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > I posted the query below last year but without any response > > so > > > > far. > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone has knowledge about this, it would be very > > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I was informed the harvesting season in Nepal starts > > in > > > > > > September, but also read that many farmers harvest their > > beads > > > > too > > > > > > early, this for various reasons. Is the fully ripened beads > > > > > > harvested later ie. October, November, December? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ole Alstrup > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " alstrup " <alstrup@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that ripe Rudraksha beads have more power and > > > > lifespan > > > > > > than > > > > > > > unripe beads. Is it true that the only difference between > > a > > > > ripe > > > > > > and > > > > > > > unripe bead is an increase in weight? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the botanical difference between a ripe and a > > unripe > > > > > bead, > > > > > > is it > > > > > > > the matured size of the seeds inside the locules of the > > bead > > > > > > chambers? > > > > > > > How does one determine if the bead inside a fruit is > fully > > > > ripen > > > > > > on the > > > > > > > tree, according to the ripen look of the fruit? Ideally, > I > > > > guess > > > > > > the > > > > > > > fruit should fall off the tree by itself for Nature to > > show > > > the > > > > > > bead is > > > > > > > fully ripen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ Ole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. > > Tryit > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For > > Good > > > this month. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Dear Richard, Thank you, that may be so, the aim of my summary and additional questions is however to know more about this seemingly overlooked aspect of knowledge of Rudraksha. Nothing directly about riped vs unriped beads is mentioned in " Power of Rudraksha " by the founder of Rudra Center, Shri Kamal Naraýan Seetha. I have written Srimate Neeta about the same, but still waiting for a reply. I have obtained the best beads from her so far. Thanks, Ole sacred-objects , " alstrup " <alstrup wrote: > > If you want to avoid unripe or oiled beads please contact Ms Neeta of Rudra Center. Y/s, R > > Although there has been NO response to this thread, so far, from any > of the other noteworthy members who are rudraksha > retailers/wholesalers, I > I am still in doubt about the claim that nearly all Rudraksha beads > on the market today are harvested early from unripe fruits and the > beads are automatically treated with oil to make them appear more > mature, heavy ie. making the color darker. I have seen the claim that > beads from unripe fruits are lighter in color and the seeds inside is > not fully developed, so the bead is lighter? I believe a bead should > be gathered from Nature at its natural peak to allow the seeds inside > to their full possible size, increasing the inherent power of the > bead, although there is no direct proof of this with fully developed > seeds. I have personally seen that soaking beads in oil will make > them darker and superficially make them look like they were from a > ripe fruit, that is if the claim about unripen bead=lighter > color/weight is true. > Now as far as I understand it, the moisture content of a bead is > higher when it is just harvested and as the bead naturally dries, the > moisture slowly evaporates and the bead will at the same time become > lighter in weight. Although soaking in oil will make the bead darker > and heavier, it should actually float in water and not sink, since > oil is always floating on water? > More importantly, there is also the claim that when a fruit is ripe, > the color will turn from green to blue and it is only THEN that the > natural hole is formed inside the bead? If this is true, so if one is > buying a bead with a natural hole, it should show that the bead was > taken from a a ripen fruit? > > Thanks, > > Ole > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friend > > > > it is not true that all beads are artificially ripened. there are > > very few beads which are ripened naturally and many beads which are > > ripened when they got stored as inventory with the wholeseller when > > these are not sold for few months or years. but these look old and > > have a different color than the fresh ones plucked newly. most new > > freshly plucked beads (if not all) float in water and the customers > > are averse to buy such new beads as they believe in a myth that a > > genuine rudraksha must sink in water. thanks to those people who > > wrote books and articles and created this myth that a genuine > > rudraksha must sink in water, they did not even vaguely mention an > > exception that new beads are light in weight and do not sink in > water. > > > > due to the biological threats of infestation and hit by worms etc., > > many people put them in oil which does not tantamount to cheating > as > > they are only TREATING OR CURING the rudraksha to protect from > > infestation. > > > > products of a tree are naturally prone to their biological threats > > and when buyers keep vegetables and fruits in a refrigerator at > home, > > you dont call it cheating. when the sellers keep them in cold > > storages so as to protect its shelf or long life, you only thank > them > > for making available to the products even in unseason. when the > holy > > rudraksha are treated by storing in oil to protect from being eaten > > by worms, some consumers cry cheating. when we give information on > > how the rudraksha are made available and the processes they > undergo, > > it shall be reckoned for knowledgeful purposes than to find foul. > > > > many holy divine devotees keep buying various malas made from > tulasi, > > bilva and other holy trees. do they start saying that the sellers > > are cutting and slashing the holy trees that are worshipped and > > committing a sin and the buyers are abetting in their sins by > buying > > the tualsi beads etc.? NO. > > > > a buyer or consumer has the right to gain full knowledge of any > > product that he buys and it is better if he knows all the processes > > that the product went through before it reached his hands. genuine > > sellers like us are always open minded in sharing the processes as > > there is no cheating involved. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > sacred-objects , " rudraksha67 " > > <satyadharma@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > Is this really true that all beads from Nepal are unripe and > soaked > > > in oil to get ripe and old look?? No one is selling mature ripen > > > beads, it is all cheating?? > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > Satyadharma > > > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear friend ole > > > > > > > > you can safely assume that human intervention is there while > > > making > > > > available a ripe rudraksha and to what extent is debtable. > > > > > > > > i have handled several thousands of nepalese rudraksha and have > > > seen > > > > most of them having a natural hole and the hole can easily be > > > cleared > > > > with a needle. only few beads do not have holes which we need > to > > > > make. however, i am only a retailer and hence if wholesellers > > and > > > > other large retailers or farmers share their observations on > all > > > > nepalese rudraksha having natural hole, we can draw a > conclusive > > > > observation. till then these are my personal observations in > my > > > > limited knowledge. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraskharemedy.com > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun, > > > > > > > > > > If this is really so as you claim, I appreciate very much > > your > > > > honesty and integrity in making this information available here > > in > > > > public. It will be very interesting to see if there are any > other > > > > info from other wholesellers/retailers to challenge or refute > the > > > > information, otherwise I would logically deduct that it is > > > accurate. > > > > I find it important that this information is made available to > > the > > > > public, so people know if they are being cheated. I use(d) the > > > word > > > > cheating very deliberately as this is my opinion of what is > going > > > on, > > > > tampering with an unripe bead to make it appear ripe. This is > not > > > > aimed at your person, this is at what is seemingly going on in > > the > > > > business nowadays to a great extent. As far as I understand it, > > > this > > > > phenomenon of harvesting unripe beads has happened in recent > > > years. > > > > As I wrote, I know that beads can be soaked to make them appear > > > more > > > > ripe, but only have limited personal experience and of course > has > > > > read a lot. There is still the claim that a > > > > > natural ripened bead will look different, I have seen photo > of > > > > this, but would like to investigate this further. > > > > > > > > > > About natural hole in Rudraksha, it is a fact that there is > > > loose > > > > dried matter (residual fruit pulp) inside a natural hole. I > have > > > seen > > > > this several times with the raw beads I have purchased. This is > > > > removed with a toothpick or something similar. If the hole > inside > > > is > > > > obstructed by wooden matter from the bead itself in any of the > > > ends, > > > > then we could say it has no natural hole? Connected with this I > > > have > > > > some very interesting info from a major wholeseller in Nepal: > > > > > > > > > > All nepali rudraksha on the planet have natural hole which > > can > > > be > > > > easily drilled by tooth pick apart from 4 5 6 mukhi, which have > > > > strong seal on the bottom of the beads for which we need drill > > > > machine to remove. > > > > > > > > > > Is the above statement true or false? > > > > > > > > > > I would like to clarify that I do not believe a rudraksha > > > fruit > > > > has to fall off the tree in order for the bead inside to be > ripe, > > > I > > > > believe it can be harvested at the peak. It would be > interesting > > > to > > > > get the info from someone who has observed this in person. > > > > > > > > > > Many Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Ole > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > dear friend ole > > > > > > > > > > this is a very sticky issue which is why your query was not > > > > answered > > > > > by others but as i speak the truth, i gave my opinion. in > fact > > > the > > > > > so called old beads sold by the wholesellers in nepal are all > > > > soaked > > > > > in oil for sometime. some wholesellers keep all their higher > > > mukhi > > > > > beads only in oil and they give different reasons like > > > protecting > > > > > from infestation, to gain weight so that they will sink etc. > > > > > > > > > > the word cheating does not apply here as the genuinity of the > > > > product > > > > > is not tampered. but this soaking in oil happens at the > farmer > > > > front > > > > > as well as the wholeseller front and hence the retailers are > > > > > helpless. many a time, the wholesellers sell the fresh unripe > > > beads > > > > > at cheaper prices and the old heavy ripe beads at higher > > prices. > > > > > these suppliers say that they are TREATING the rudraksha > before > > > > > making it saleworthy. this factual process is shared with the > > > > > customers beforehand and hence there is no cheating involved. > > > these > > > > > days many people do not volunteer to give answers to queries > > and > > > if > > > > i > > > > > come forward, am attracting choicest words like cheating even > > > when > > > > i > > > > > am presenting the facts as they are. > > > > > > > > > > many rudrakshas also do not have holes naturally and they get > > > the > > > > > holes made manually so that they are worth wearing. we cannot > > > call > > > > > this fiddling or tampering. sometimes while making a pendant > > > even > > > > > the seeds that obstruct the hole are removed and one has to > > live > > > > with > > > > > these things if the rudraksha has to become worth wearing. > > > > > > > > > > these days fruits are not ripened naturally on the trees and > > are > > > > not > > > > > allowed to fall on the ground. if they are ripened naturally > on > > > the > > > > > trees, they are eaten by the birds, monkeys, squirrels etc. > and > > > the > > > > > farmowner does not get any natural fruit in his hand. so he > > > plucks > > > > > the unripe fruits and store them in a room, ripen it and > sell. > > > do > > > > > you call all these fruitsellers cheating. > > > > > > > > > > by using the word cheating, are you suggesting that a > rudraksha > > > > shall > > > > > not be plucked from the tree in the first instance and let > that > > > be > > > > > ripened and fall on its own weight and then take it and sell > it > > > as > > > > it > > > > > is to the retailer. i dont think this happens at all. > > > > > > > > > > on my part i can only say that the rudraksha ripening happens > > at > > > > the > > > > > farm place or at the wholeseller's place and the retailer > have > > > no > > > > > control. if a retailer buys a freshly plucked unripe > rudraksha > > > and > > > > > it floats with light weight, the customer does not take it at > > > all > > > > > even though it is genuine and natural because of the myth > that > > a > > > > > genuine rudraksha must sink in the water. > > > > > > > > > > you may like to hear views from other learnt expert > researchers > > > as > > > > to > > > > > how they view this curing, treating or soaking the rudraksha. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun, > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont think it is the norm to soak beads in oil up to 2 > > > months > > > > > to make them heavy and sink in water? This is called > cheating, > > > > trying > > > > > to pass off unripe beads as ripe! If unripe beads are soaked > > for > > > a > > > > > few days they will become heavy and change color, soaking for > > > some > > > > > weeks then they can sink, but in any case they will darken > > quite > > > > > quickly and you can see this. If the harvesting season starts > > in > > > > > September, soaked beads for 2 months would become available > > only > > > in > > > > > November and that is not the norm, so I dont really > understand > > > your > > > > > reasoning? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Ole > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear friend ole > > > > > > > > > > > > as per my experience and knowledge, your observation is > true > > > that > > > > > > unripe rudraksha are not only light in weight but also > float > > > in > > > > > > water. hence we do a sort of curing by dipping them in oil > > and > > > > keep > > > > > > them in that condition for few months so that they become > old > > > and > > > > > > gain weight and dip in water. here unripe word may be > > > synonymous > > > > > > with new, freshly plucked rudraksha as no farmer waits for > > the > > > > > > rudraksha to fall on the ground after ripening. so this is > no > > > > > secret > > > > > > that all freshly plucked rudraksha are kept in oil for few > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > i do not know the answers for the harvesting months and > other > > > > > members > > > > > > who have ground knowledge on this may answer this. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " alstrup " <alstrup@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Fellow Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I posted the query below last year but without any > response > > > so > > > > > far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone has knowledge about this, it would be very > > > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I was informed the harvesting season in Nepal > starts > > > in > > > > > > > September, but also read that many farmers harvest their > > > beads > > > > > too > > > > > > > early, this for various reasons. Is the fully ripened > beads > > > > > > > harvested later ie. October, November, December? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ole Alstrup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " alstrup " > <alstrup@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that ripe Rudraksha beads have more power > and > > > > > lifespan > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > unripe beads. Is it true that the only difference > between > > > a > > > > > ripe > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > unripe bead is an increase in weight? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the botanical difference between a ripe and a > > > unripe > > > > > > bead, > > > > > > > is it > > > > > > > > the matured size of the seeds inside the locules of the > > > bead > > > > > > > chambers? > > > > > > > > How does one determine if the bead inside a fruit is > > fully > > > > > ripen > > > > > > > on the > > > > > > > > tree, according to the ripen look of the fruit? > Ideally, > > I > > > > > guess > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > fruit should fall off the tree by itself for Nature to > > > show > > > > the > > > > > > > bead is > > > > > > > > fully ripen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ Ole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. > > > Tryit > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For > > > Good > > > > this month. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 So how do you know that the beads that you obtained from her were not harvested unripe and oiled like most others? If you want beads that are definitely not harvested at all, but found on the ground after falling off the trees in their rudraksha forest, get them from the Kauai Hindu Monastery. Their main website is www.himalayanacademy.com To find their shop you must move the mouse over to "Publications" and then click on "Store". Otherwise you can go to the rudraksha pages directly by going to either: http://www.minimela.com/index.php?main_page=product_info & products_id=442 or http://www.minimela.com/index.php?main_page=index & cPath=100 & zenid=44f1fe1d2050e23ae963db427bab08f5 I found quite a few beads there myself like this when I was there, many years back. Things have developed quite a bit since then. The beads are still cleaned meticulously, and I know they are oiled before delivering, though I don't know if they are soaked. One could easily call or email and ask. The slide show is quite nice. View it and it might clear up some of these issues, as well as sharing some nice information. http://www.himalayanacademy.com/download/slideshows/aadheenam/2007/Rudraksha_Slideshow.exe.zip BOM BOM BHOLE! Surya - alstrup sacred-objects Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:29 AM Re: Unripe VS Ripe Rudraksha beads Dear Richard,Thank you, that may be so, the aim of my summary and additional questions is however to know more about this seemingly overlooked aspect of knowledge of Rudraksha. Nothing directly about riped vs unriped beads is mentioned in "Power of Rudraksha" by the founder of Rudra Center, Shri Kamal Naraýan Seetha. I have written Srimate Neeta about the same, but still waiting for a reply. I have obtained the best beads from her so far.Thanks,Olesacred-objects , "alstrup" <alstrup wrote:>> If you want to avoid unripe or oiled beads please contact Ms Neeta of Rudra Center. Y/s, R> > Although there has been NO response to this thread, so far, from any> of the other noteworthy members who are rudraksha> retailers/wholesalers, I> I am still in doubt about the claim that nearly all Rudraksha beads> on the market today are harvested early from unripe fruits and the> beads are automatically treated with oil to make them appear more> mature, heavy ie. making the color darker. I have seen the claim that> beads from unripe fruits are lighter in color and the seeds inside is> not fully developed, so the bead is lighter? I believe a bead should> be gathered from Nature at its natural peak to allow the seeds inside> to their full possible size, increasing the inherent power of the> bead, although there is no direct proof of this with fully developed> seeds. I have personally seen that soaking beads in oil will make> them darker and superficially make them look like they were from a> ripe fruit, that is if the claim about unripen bead=lighter> color/weight is true.> Now as far as I understand it, the moisture content of a bead is> higher when it is just harvested and as the bead naturally dries, the> moisture slowly evaporates and the bead will at the same time become> lighter in weight. Although soaking in oil will make the bead darker> and heavier, it should actually float in water and not sink, since> oil is always floating on water?> More importantly, there is also the claim that when a fruit is ripe,> the color will turn from green to blue and it is only THEN that the> natural hole is formed inside the bead? If this is true, so if one is> buying a bead with a natural hole, it should show that the bead was> taken from a a ripen fruit?> > Thanks,> > Ole> > sacred-objects , "panditarjun2004"> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> >> > dear friend> >> > it is not true that all beads are artificially ripened. there are> > very few beads which are ripened naturally and many beads which are> > ripened when they got stored as inventory with the wholeseller when> > these are not sold for few months or years. but these look old and> > have a different color than the fresh ones plucked newly. most new> > freshly plucked beads (if not all) float in water and the customers> > are averse to buy such new beads as they believe in a myth that a> > genuine rudraksha must sink in water. thanks to those people who> > wrote books and articles and created this myth that a genuine> > rudraksha must sink in water, they did not even vaguely mention an> > exception that new beads are light in weight and do not sink in> water.> >> > due to the biological threats of infestation and hit by worms etc.,> > many people put them in oil which does not tantamount to cheating> as> > they are only TREATING OR CURING the rudraksha to protect from> > infestation.> >> > products of a tree are naturally prone to their biological threats> > and when buyers keep vegetables and fruits in a refrigerator at> home,> > you dont call it cheating. when the sellers keep them in cold> > storages so as to protect its shelf or long life, you only thank> them> > for making available to the products even in unseason. when the> holy> > rudraksha are treated by storing in oil to protect from being eaten> > by worms, some consumers cry cheating. when we give information on> > how the rudraksha are made available and the processes they> undergo,> > it shall be reckoned for knowledgeful purposes than to find foul.> >> > many holy divine devotees keep buying various malas made from> tulasi,> > bilva and other holy trees. do they start saying that the sellers> > are cutting and slashing the holy trees that are worshipped and> > committing a sin and the buyers are abetting in their sins by> buying> > the tualsi beads etc.? NO.> >> > a buyer or consumer has the right to gain full knowledge of any> > product that he buys and it is better if he knows all the processes> > that the product went through before it reached his hands. genuine> > sellers like us are always open minded in sharing the processes as> > there is no cheating involved.> >> > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > www.rudraksharemedy.com> >> > sacred-objects , "rudraksha67"> > <satyadharma@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sirs,> > >> > > Is this really true that all beads from Nepal are unripe and> soaked> > > in oil to get ripe and old look?? No one is selling mature ripen> > > beads, it is all cheating??> > >> > > Thanking you,> > >> > > Satyadharma> > >> > > sacred-objects , "panditarjun2004"> > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> > > >> > > > dear friend ole> > > >> > > > you can safely assume that human intervention is there while> > > making> > > > available a ripe rudraksha and to what extent is debtable.> > > >> > > > i have handled several thousands of nepalese rudraksha and have> > > seen> > > > most of them having a natural hole and the hole can easily be> > > cleared> > > > with a needle. only few beads do not have holes which we need> to> > > > make. however, i am only a retailer and hence if wholesellers> > and> > > > other large retailers or farmers share their observations on> all> > > > nepalese rudraksha having natural hole, we can draw a> conclusive> > > > observation. till then these are my personal observations in> my> > > > limited knowledge.> > > >> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > pandit arjun> > > > www.rudraskharemedy.com> > > >> > > > sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun,> > > > >> > > > > If this is really so as you claim, I appreciate very much> > your> > > > honesty and integrity in making this information available here> > in> > > > public. It will be very interesting to see if there are any> other> > > > info from other wholesellers/retailers to challenge or refute> the> > > > information, otherwise I would logically deduct that it is> > > accurate.> > > > I find it important that this information is made available to> > the> > > > public, so people know if they are being cheated. I use(d) the> > > word> > > > cheating very deliberately as this is my opinion of what is> going> > > on,> > > > tampering with an unripe bead to make it appear ripe. This is> not> > > > aimed at your person, this is at what is seemingly going on in> > the> > > > business nowadays to a great extent. As far as I understand it,> > > this> > > > phenomenon of harvesting unripe beads has happened in recent> > > years.> > > > As I wrote, I know that beads can be soaked to make them appear> > > more> > > > ripe, but only have limited personal experience and of course> has> > > > read a lot. There is still the claim that a> > > > > natural ripened bead will look different, I have seen photo> of> > > > this, but would like to investigate this further.> > > > >> > > > > About natural hole in Rudraksha, it is a fact that there is> > > loose> > > > dried matter (residual fruit pulp) inside a natural hole. I> have> > > seen> > > > this several times with the raw beads I have purchased. This is> > > > removed with a toothpick or something similar. If the hole> inside> > > is> > > > obstructed by wooden matter from the bead itself in any of the> > > ends,> > > > then we could say it has no natural hole? Connected with this I> > > have> > > > some very interesting info from a major wholeseller in Nepal:> > > > >> > > > > All nepali rudraksha on the planet have natural hole which> > can> > > be> > > > easily drilled by tooth pick apart from 4 5 6 mukhi, which have> > > > strong seal on the bottom of the beads for which we need drill> > > > machine to remove.> > > > >> > > > > Is the above statement true or false?> > > > >> > > > > I would like to clarify that I do not believe a rudraksha> > > fruit> > > > has to fall off the tree in order for the bead inside to be> ripe,> > > I> > > > believe it can be harvested at the peak. It would be> interesting> > > to> > > > get the info from someone who has observed this in person.> > > > >> > > > > Many Thanks,> > > > >> > > > > Ole> > > > >> > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> > > > > dear friend ole> > > > >> > > > > this is a very sticky issue which is why your query was not> > > > answered> > > > > by others but as i speak the truth, i gave my opinion. in> fact> > > the> > > > > so called old beads sold by the wholesellers in nepal are all> > > > soaked> > > > > in oil for sometime. some wholesellers keep all their higher> > > mukhi> > > > > beads only in oil and they give different reasons like> > > protecting> > > > > from infestation, to gain weight so that they will sink etc.> > > > >> > > > > the word cheating does not apply here as the genuinity of the> > > > product> > > > > is not tampered. but this soaking in oil happens at the> farmer> > > > front> > > > > as well as the wholeseller front and hence the retailers are> > > > > helpless. many a time, the wholesellers sell the fresh unripe> > > beads> > > > > at cheaper prices and the old heavy ripe beads at higher> > prices.> > > > > these suppliers say that they are TREATING the rudraksha> before> > > > > making it saleworthy. this factual process is shared with the> > > > > customers beforehand and hence there is no cheating involved.> > > these> > > > > days many people do not volunteer to give answers to queries> > and> > > if> > > > i> > > > > come forward, am attracting choicest words like cheating even> > > when> > > > i> > > > > am presenting the facts as they are.> > > > >> > > > > many rudrakshas also do not have holes naturally and they get> > > the> > > > > holes made manually so that they are worth wearing. we cannot> > > call> > > > > this fiddling or tampering. sometimes while making a pendant> > > even> > > > > the seeds that obstruct the hole are removed and one has to> > live> > > > with> > > > > these things if the rudraksha has to become worth wearing.> > > > >> > > > > these days fruits are not ripened naturally on the trees and> > are> > > > not> > > > > allowed to fall on the ground. if they are ripened naturally> on> > > the> > > > > trees, they are eaten by the birds, monkeys, squirrels etc.> and> > > the> > > > > farmowner does not get any natural fruit in his hand. so he> > > plucks> > > > > the unripe fruits and store them in a room, ripen it and> sell.> > > do> > > > > you call all these fruitsellers cheating.> > > > >> > > > > by using the word cheating, are you suggesting that a> rudraksha> > > > shall> > > > > not be plucked from the tree in the first instance and let> that> > > be> > > > > ripened and fall on its own weight and then take it and sell> it> > > as> > > > it> > > > > is to the retailer. i dont think this happens at all.> > > > >> > > > > on my part i can only say that the rudraksha ripening happens> > at> > > > the> > > > > farm place or at the wholeseller's place and the retailer> have> > > no> > > > > control. if a retailer buys a freshly plucked unripe> rudraksha> > > and> > > > > it floats with light weight, the customer does not take it at> > > all> > > > > even though it is genuine and natural because of the myth> that> > a> > > > > genuine rudraksha must sink in the water.> > > > >> > > > > you may like to hear views from other learnt expert> researchers> > > as> > > > to> > > > > how they view this curing, treating or soaking the rudraksha.> > > > >> > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > >> > > > > sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun,> > > > > >> > > > > > I dont think it is the norm to soak beads in oil up to 2> > > months> > > > > to make them heavy and sink in water? This is called> cheating,> > > > trying> > > > > to pass off unripe beads as ripe! If unripe beads are soaked> > for> > > a> > > > > few days they will become heavy and change color, soaking for> > > some> > > > > weeks then they can sink, but in any case they will darken> > quite> > > > > quickly and you can see this. If the harvesting season starts> > in> > > > > September, soaked beads for 2 months would become available> > only> > > in> > > > > November and that is not the norm, so I dont really> understand> > > your> > > > > reasoning?> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > Ole> > > > > >> > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> > > > > > dear friend ole> > > > > >> > > > > > as per my experience and knowledge, your observation is> true> > > that> > > > > > unripe rudraksha are not only light in weight but also> float> > > in> > > > > > water. hence we do a sort of curing by dipping them in oil> > and> > > > keep> > > > > > them in that condition for few months so that they become> old> > > and> > > > > > gain weight and dip in water. here unripe word may be> > > synonymous> > > > > > with new, freshly plucked rudraksha as no farmer waits for> > the> > > > > > rudraksha to fall on the ground after ripening. so this is> no> > > > > secret> > > > > > that all freshly plucked rudraksha are kept in oil for few> > > months.> > > > > >> > > > > > i do not know the answers for the harvesting months and> other> > > > > members> > > > > > who have ground knowledge on this may answer this.> > > > > >> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > > >> > > > > > sacred-objects , "alstrup" <alstrup@>> > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Fellow Members,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I posted the query below last year but without any> response> > > so> > > > > far.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If anyone has knowledge about this, it would be very> > > welcome.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Also, I was informed the harvesting season in Nepal> starts> > > in> > > > > > > September, but also read that many farmers harvest their> > > beads> > > > > too> > > > > > > early, this for various reasons. Is the fully ripened> beads> > > > > > > harvested later ie. October, November, December?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Ole Alstrup> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sacred-objects , "alstrup"> <alstrup@>> > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > It is said that ripe Rudraksha beads have more power> and> > > > > lifespan> > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > unripe beads. Is it true that the only difference> between> > > a> > > > > ripe> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > unripe bead is an increase in weight?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > What is the botanical difference between a ripe and a> > > unripe> > > > > > bead,> > > > > > > is it> > > > > > > > the matured size of the seeds inside the locules of the> > > bead> > > > > > > chambers?> > > > > > > > How does one determine if the bead inside a fruit is> > fully> > > > > ripen> > > > > > > on the> > > > > > > > tree, according to the ripen look of the fruit?> Ideally,> > I> > > > > guess> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > fruit should fall off the tree by itself for Nature to> > > show> > > > the> > > > > > > bead is> > > > > > > > fully ripen.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ~ Ole> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows.> > > Tryit> > > > > now.> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For> > > Good> > > > this month.> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release 8/28/2007 4:29 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 BECAUSE I HAVE EYES! THEY ARE FRESH AND " DRY " . sacred-objects , " Mahamuni Das " <mahamuni wrote: > > So how do you know that the beads that you obtained from her were not harvested unripe and oiled like most others? > > If you want beads that are definitely not harvested at all, but found on the ground after falling off the trees in their rudraksha forest, get them from the Kauai Hindu Monastery. Their main website is www.himalayanacademy.com To find their shop you must move the mouse over to " Publications " and then click on " Store " . > > Otherwise you can go to the rudraksha pages directly by going to either: > > http://www.minimela.com/index.php?main_page=product_info & products_id=442 or > > http://www.minimela.com/index.php? main_page=index & cPath=100 & zenid=44f1fe1d2050e23ae963db427bab08f5 > > I found quite a few beads there myself like this when I was there, many years back. Things have developed quite a bit since then. The beads are still cleaned meticulously, and I know they are oiled before delivering, though I don't know if they are soaked. One could easily call or email and ask. > > The slide show is quite nice. View it and it might clear up some of these issues, as well as sharing some nice information. > > http://www.himalayanacademy.com/download/slideshows/aadheenam/2007/ Rudraksha_Slideshow.exe.zip > > BOM BOM BHOLE! > > Surya > - > alstrup > sacred-objects > Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:29 AM > Re: Unripe VS Ripe Rudraksha beads > > > Dear Richard, > > Thank you, that may be so, the aim of my summary and additional > questions is however to know more about this seemingly overlooked > aspect of knowledge of Rudraksha. Nothing directly about riped vs > unriped beads is mentioned in " Power of Rudraksha " by the founder of > Rudra Center, Shri Kamal Naraýan Seetha. I have written Srimate > Neeta about the same, but still waiting for a reply. I have obtained > the best beads from her so far. > > Thanks, > > Ole > > sacred-objects , " alstrup " <alstrup@> wrote: > > > > If you want to avoid unripe or oiled beads please contact Ms Neeta > of Rudra Center. Y/s, R > > > > Although there has been NO response to this thread, so far, from > any > > of the other noteworthy members who are rudraksha > > retailers/wholesalers, I > > I am still in doubt about the claim that nearly all Rudraksha beads > > on the market today are harvested early from unripe fruits and the > > beads are automatically treated with oil to make them appear more > > mature, heavy ie. making the color darker. I have seen the claim > that > > beads from unripe fruits are lighter in color and the seeds inside > is > > not fully developed, so the bead is lighter? I believe a bead > should > > be gathered from Nature at its natural peak to allow the seeds > inside > > to their full possible size, increasing the inherent power of the > > bead, although there is no direct proof of this with fully > developed > > seeds. I have personally seen that soaking beads in oil will make > > them darker and superficially make them look like they were from a > > ripe fruit, that is if the claim about unripen bead=lighter > > color/weight is true. > > Now as far as I understand it, the moisture content of a bead is > > higher when it is just harvested and as the bead naturally dries, > the > > moisture slowly evaporates and the bead will at the same time > become > > lighter in weight. Although soaking in oil will make the bead > darker > > and heavier, it should actually float in water and not sink, since > > oil is always floating on water? > > More importantly, there is also the claim that when a fruit is > ripe, > > the color will turn from green to blue and it is only THEN that the > > natural hole is formed inside the bead? If this is true, so if one > is > > buying a bead with a natural hole, it should show that the bead was > > taken from a a ripen fruit? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ole > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > it is not true that all beads are artificially ripened. there > are > > > very few beads which are ripened naturally and many beads which > are > > > ripened when they got stored as inventory with the wholeseller > when > > > these are not sold for few months or years. but these look old > and > > > have a different color than the fresh ones plucked newly. most > new > > > freshly plucked beads (if not all) float in water and the > customers > > > are averse to buy such new beads as they believe in a myth that a > > > genuine rudraksha must sink in water. thanks to those people who > > > wrote books and articles and created this myth that a genuine > > > rudraksha must sink in water, they did not even vaguely mention > an > > > exception that new beads are light in weight and do not sink in > > water. > > > > > > due to the biological threats of infestation and hit by worms > etc., > > > many people put them in oil which does not tantamount to cheating > > as > > > they are only TREATING OR CURING the rudraksha to protect from > > > infestation. > > > > > > products of a tree are naturally prone to their biological > threats > > > and when buyers keep vegetables and fruits in a refrigerator at > > home, > > > you dont call it cheating. when the sellers keep them in cold > > > storages so as to protect its shelf or long life, you only thank > > them > > > for making available to the products even in unseason. when the > > holy > > > rudraksha are treated by storing in oil to protect from being > eaten > > > by worms, some consumers cry cheating. when we give information > on > > > how the rudraksha are made available and the processes they > > undergo, > > > it shall be reckoned for knowledgeful purposes than to find foul. > > > > > > many holy divine devotees keep buying various malas made from > > tulasi, > > > bilva and other holy trees. do they start saying that the > sellers > > > are cutting and slashing the holy trees that are worshipped and > > > committing a sin and the buyers are abetting in their sins by > > buying > > > the tualsi beads etc.? NO. > > > > > > a buyer or consumer has the right to gain full knowledge of any > > > product that he buys and it is better if he knows all the > processes > > > that the product went through before it reached his hands. > genuine > > > sellers like us are always open minded in sharing the processes > as > > > there is no cheating involved. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > sacred-objects , " rudraksha67 " > > > <satyadharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > Is this really true that all beads from Nepal are unripe and > > soaked > > > > in oil to get ripe and old look?? No one is selling mature > ripen > > > > beads, it is all cheating?? > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > > > Satyadharma > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " > > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear friend ole > > > > > > > > > > you can safely assume that human intervention is there while > > > > making > > > > > available a ripe rudraksha and to what extent is debtable. > > > > > > > > > > i have handled several thousands of nepalese rudraksha and > have > > > > seen > > > > > most of them having a natural hole and the hole can easily be > > > > cleared > > > > > with a needle. only few beads do not have holes which we > need > > to > > > > > make. however, i am only a retailer and hence if > wholesellers > > > and > > > > > other large retailers or farmers share their observations on > > all > > > > > nepalese rudraksha having natural hole, we can draw a > > conclusive > > > > > observation. till then these are my personal observations in > > my > > > > > limited knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraskharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun, > > > > > > > > > > > > If this is really so as you claim, I appreciate very much > > > your > > > > > honesty and integrity in making this information available > here > > > in > > > > > public. It will be very interesting to see if there are any > > other > > > > > info from other wholesellers/retailers to challenge or refute > > the > > > > > information, otherwise I would logically deduct that it is > > > > accurate. > > > > > I find it important that this information is made available > to > > > the > > > > > public, so people know if they are being cheated. I use(d) > the > > > > word > > > > > cheating very deliberately as this is my opinion of what is > > going > > > > on, > > > > > tampering with an unripe bead to make it appear ripe. This is > > not > > > > > aimed at your person, this is at what is seemingly going on > in > > > the > > > > > business nowadays to a great extent. As far as I understand > it, > > > > this > > > > > phenomenon of harvesting unripe beads has happened in recent > > > > years. > > > > > As I wrote, I know that beads can be soaked to make them > appear > > > > more > > > > > ripe, but only have limited personal experience and of course > > has > > > > > read a lot. There is still the claim that a > > > > > > natural ripened bead will look different, I have seen > photo > > of > > > > > this, but would like to investigate this further. > > > > > > > > > > > > About natural hole in Rudraksha, it is a fact that there > is > > > > loose > > > > > dried matter (residual fruit pulp) inside a natural hole. I > > have > > > > seen > > > > > this several times with the raw beads I have purchased. This > is > > > > > removed with a toothpick or something similar. If the hole > > inside > > > > is > > > > > obstructed by wooden matter from the bead itself in any of > the > > > > ends, > > > > > then we could say it has no natural hole? Connected with > this I > > > > have > > > > > some very interesting info from a major wholeseller in Nepal: > > > > > > > > > > > > All nepali rudraksha on the planet have natural hole > which > > > can > > > > be > > > > > easily drilled by tooth pick apart from 4 5 6 mukhi, which > have > > > > > strong seal on the bottom of the beads for which we need > drill > > > > > machine to remove. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is the above statement true or false? > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to clarify that I do not believe a rudraksha > > > > fruit > > > > > has to fall off the tree in order for the bead inside to be > > ripe, > > > > I > > > > > believe it can be harvested at the peak. It would be > > interesting > > > > to > > > > > get the info from someone who has observed this in person. > > > > > > > > > > > > Many Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ole > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear friend ole > > > > > > > > > > > > this is a very sticky issue which is why your query was not > > > > > answered > > > > > > by others but as i speak the truth, i gave my opinion. in > > fact > > > > the > > > > > > so called old beads sold by the wholesellers in nepal are > all > > > > > soaked > > > > > > in oil for sometime. some wholesellers keep all their > higher > > > > mukhi > > > > > > beads only in oil and they give different reasons like > > > > protecting > > > > > > from infestation, to gain weight so that they will sink > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > the word cheating does not apply here as the genuinity of > the > > > > > product > > > > > > is not tampered. but this soaking in oil happens at the > > farmer > > > > > front > > > > > > as well as the wholeseller front and hence the retailers > are > > > > > > helpless. many a time, the wholesellers sell the fresh > unripe > > > > beads > > > > > > at cheaper prices and the old heavy ripe beads at higher > > > prices. > > > > > > these suppliers say that they are TREATING the rudraksha > > before > > > > > > making it saleworthy. this factual process is shared with > the > > > > > > customers beforehand and hence there is no cheating > involved. > > > > these > > > > > > days many people do not volunteer to give answers to > queries > > > and > > > > if > > > > > i > > > > > > come forward, am attracting choicest words like cheating > even > > > > when > > > > > i > > > > > > am presenting the facts as they are. > > > > > > > > > > > > many rudrakshas also do not have holes naturally and they > get > > > > the > > > > > > holes made manually so that they are worth wearing. we > cannot > > > > call > > > > > > this fiddling or tampering. sometimes while making a > pendant > > > > even > > > > > > the seeds that obstruct the hole are removed and one has to > > > live > > > > > with > > > > > > these things if the rudraksha has to become worth wearing. > > > > > > > > > > > > these days fruits are not ripened naturally on the trees > and > > > are > > > > > not > > > > > > allowed to fall on the ground. if they are ripened > naturally > > on > > > > the > > > > > > trees, they are eaten by the birds, monkeys, squirrels etc. > > and > > > > the > > > > > > farmowner does not get any natural fruit in his hand. so he > > > > plucks > > > > > > the unripe fruits and store them in a room, ripen it and > > sell. > > > > do > > > > > > you call all these fruitsellers cheating. > > > > > > > > > > > > by using the word cheating, are you suggesting that a > > rudraksha > > > > > shall > > > > > > not be plucked from the tree in the first instance and let > > that > > > > be > > > > > > ripened and fall on its own weight and then take it and > sell > > it > > > > as > > > > > it > > > > > > is to the retailer. i dont think this happens at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > on my part i can only say that the rudraksha ripening > happens > > > at > > > > > the > > > > > > farm place or at the wholeseller's place and the retailer > > have > > > > no > > > > > > control. if a retailer buys a freshly plucked unripe > > rudraksha > > > > and > > > > > > it floats with light weight, the customer does not take it > at > > > > all > > > > > > even though it is genuine and natural because of the myth > > that > > > a > > > > > > genuine rudraksha must sink in the water. > > > > > > > > > > > > you may like to hear views from other learnt expert > > researchers > > > > as > > > > > to > > > > > > how they view this curing, treating or soaking the > rudraksha. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup > <alstrup@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont think it is the norm to soak beads in oil up to 2 > > > > months > > > > > > to make them heavy and sink in water? This is called > > cheating, > > > > > trying > > > > > > to pass off unripe beads as ripe! If unripe beads are > soaked > > > for > > > > a > > > > > > few days they will become heavy and change color, soaking > for > > > > some > > > > > > weeks then they can sink, but in any case they will darken > > > quite > > > > > > quickly and you can see this. If the harvesting season > starts > > > in > > > > > > September, soaked beads for 2 months would become available > > > only > > > > in > > > > > > November and that is not the norm, so I dont really > > understand > > > > your > > > > > > reasoning? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Ole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > > dear friend ole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as per my experience and knowledge, your observation is > > true > > > > that > > > > > > > unripe rudraksha are not only light in weight but also > > float > > > > in > > > > > > > water. hence we do a sort of curing by dipping them in > oil > > > and > > > > > keep > > > > > > > them in that condition for few months so that they become > > old > > > > and > > > > > > > gain weight and dip in water. here unripe word may be > > > > synonymous > > > > > > > with new, freshly plucked rudraksha as no farmer waits > for > > > the > > > > > > > rudraksha to fall on the ground after ripening. so this > is > > no > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > that all freshly plucked rudraksha are kept in oil for > few > > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i do not know the answers for the harvesting months and > > other > > > > > > members > > > > > > > who have ground knowledge on this may answer this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " alstrup " > <alstrup@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Fellow Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I posted the query below last year but without any > > response > > > > so > > > > > > far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone has knowledge about this, it would be very > > > > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I was informed the harvesting season in Nepal > > starts > > > > in > > > > > > > > September, but also read that many farmers harvest > their > > > > beads > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > early, this for various reasons. Is the fully ripened > > beads > > > > > > > > harvested later ie. October, November, December? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ole Alstrup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " alstrup " > > <alstrup@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that ripe Rudraksha beads have more power > > and > > > > > > lifespan > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > unripe beads. Is it true that the only difference > > between > > > > a > > > > > > ripe > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > unripe bead is an increase in weight? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the botanical difference between a ripe and a > > > > unripe > > > > > > > bead, > > > > > > > > is it > > > > > > > > > the matured size of the seeds inside the locules of > the > > > > bead > > > > > > > > chambers? > > > > > > > > > How does one determine if the bead inside a fruit is > > > fully > > > > > > ripen > > > > > > > > on the > > > > > > > > > tree, according to the ripen look of the fruit? > > Ideally, > > > I > > > > > > guess > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > fruit should fall off the tree by itself for Nature > to > > > > show > > > > > the > > > > > > > > bead is > > > > > > > > > fully ripen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ Ole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who > knows. > > > > Tryit > > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit > For > > > > Good > > > > > this month. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- -- > > > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release 8/28/2007 4:29 PM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Actually Richard it was not your post I was responding to. Often rudraksha are fresh and dry when you receive them from a dealer. All of the rudraksha from AMMA's bookstore are the same way. But these are all coming from the same few suppliers in Nepal, so initially all are treated similiarly. Surya - Richard Shaw-Brown sacred-objects Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:25 AM Re: Unripe VS Ripe Rudraksha beads BECAUSE I HAVE EYES! THEY ARE FRESH AND "DRY".sacred-objects , "Mahamuni Das" <mahamuni wrote:>> So how do you know that the beads that you obtained from her were not harvested unripe and oiled like most others?> > If you want beads that are definitely not harvested at all, but found on the ground after falling off the trees in their rudraksha forest, get them from the Kauai Hindu Monastery. Their main website is www.himalayanacademy.com To find their shop you must move the mouse over to "Publications" and then click on "Store".> > Otherwise you can go to the rudraksha pages directly by going to either:> > http://www.minimela.com/index.php?main_page=product_info & products_id=442 or> > http://www.minimela.com/index.php?main_page=index & cPath=100 & zenid=44f1fe1d2050e23ae963db427bab08f5> > I found quite a few beads there myself like this when I was there, many years back. Things have developed quite a bit since then. The beads are still cleaned meticulously, and I know they are oiled before delivering, though I don't know if they are soaked. One could easily call or email and ask.> > The slide show is quite nice. View it and it might clear up some of these issues, as well as sharing some nice information. > > http://www.himalayanacademy.com/download/slideshows/aadheenam/2007/Rudraksha_Slideshow.exe.zip> > BOM BOM BHOLE!> > Surya> - > alstrup > sacred-objects > Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:29 AM> Re: Unripe VS Ripe Rudraksha beads> > > Dear Richard,> > Thank you, that may be so, the aim of my summary and additional > questions is however to know more about this seemingly overlooked > aspect of knowledge of Rudraksha. Nothing directly about riped vs > unriped beads is mentioned in "Power of Rudraksha" by the founder of > Rudra Center, Shri Kamal Naraýan Seetha. I have written Srimate > Neeta about the same, but still waiting for a reply. I have obtained > the best beads from her so far.> > Thanks,> > Ole> > sacred-objects , "alstrup" <alstrup@> wrote:> >> > If you want to avoid unripe or oiled beads please contact Ms Neeta > of Rudra Center. Y/s, R> > > > Although there has been NO response to this thread, so far, from > any> > of the other noteworthy members who are rudraksha> > retailers/wholesalers, I> > I am still in doubt about the claim that nearly all Rudraksha beads> > on the market today are harvested early from unripe fruits and the> > beads are automatically treated with oil to make them appear more> > mature, heavy ie. making the color darker. I have seen the claim > that> > beads from unripe fruits are lighter in color and the seeds inside > is> > not fully developed, so the bead is lighter? I believe a bead > should> > be gathered from Nature at its natural peak to allow the seeds > inside> > to their full possible size, increasing the inherent power of the> > bead, although there is no direct proof of this with fully > developed> > seeds. I have personally seen that soaking beads in oil will make> > them darker and superficially make them look like they were from a> > ripe fruit, that is if the claim about unripen bead=lighter> > color/weight is true.> > Now as far as I understand it, the moisture content of a bead is> > higher when it is just harvested and as the bead naturally dries, > the> > moisture slowly evaporates and the bead will at the same time > become> > lighter in weight. Although soaking in oil will make the bead > darker> > and heavier, it should actually float in water and not sink, since> > oil is always floating on water?> > More importantly, there is also the claim that when a fruit is > ripe,> > the color will turn from green to blue and it is only THEN that the> > natural hole is formed inside the bead? If this is true, so if one > is> > buying a bead with a natural hole, it should show that the bead was> > taken from a a ripen fruit?> > > > Thanks,> > > > Ole> > > > sacred-objects , "panditarjun2004"> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> > >> > > dear friend> > >> > > it is not true that all beads are artificially ripened. there > are> > > very few beads which are ripened naturally and many beads which > are> > > ripened when they got stored as inventory with the wholeseller > when> > > these are not sold for few months or years. but these look old > and> > > have a different color than the fresh ones plucked newly. most > new> > > freshly plucked beads (if not all) float in water and the > customers> > > are averse to buy such new beads as they believe in a myth that a> > > genuine rudraksha must sink in water. thanks to those people who> > > wrote books and articles and created this myth that a genuine> > > rudraksha must sink in water, they did not even vaguely mention > an> > > exception that new beads are light in weight and do not sink in> > water.> > >> > > due to the biological threats of infestation and hit by worms > etc.,> > > many people put them in oil which does not tantamount to cheating> > as> > > they are only TREATING OR CURING the rudraksha to protect from> > > infestation.> > >> > > products of a tree are naturally prone to their biological > threats> > > and when buyers keep vegetables and fruits in a refrigerator at> > home,> > > you dont call it cheating. when the sellers keep them in cold> > > storages so as to protect its shelf or long life, you only thank> > them> > > for making available to the products even in unseason. when the> > holy> > > rudraksha are treated by storing in oil to protect from being > eaten> > > by worms, some consumers cry cheating. when we give information > on> > > how the rudraksha are made available and the processes they> > undergo,> > > it shall be reckoned for knowledgeful purposes than to find foul.> > >> > > many holy divine devotees keep buying various malas made from> > tulasi,> > > bilva and other holy trees. do they start saying that the > sellers> > > are cutting and slashing the holy trees that are worshipped and> > > committing a sin and the buyers are abetting in their sins by> > buying> > > the tualsi beads etc.? NO.> > >> > > a buyer or consumer has the right to gain full knowledge of any> > > product that he buys and it is better if he knows all the > processes> > > that the product went through before it reached his hands. > genuine> > > sellers like us are always open minded in sharing the processes > as> > > there is no cheating involved.> > >> > > with best wishes and blessings> > > pandit arjun> > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > >> > > sacred-objects , "rudraksha67"> > > <satyadharma@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sirs,> > > >> > > > Is this really true that all beads from Nepal are unripe and> > soaked> > > > in oil to get ripe and old look?? No one is selling mature > ripen> > > > beads, it is all cheating??> > > >> > > > Thanking you,> > > >> > > > Satyadharma> > > >> > > > sacred-objects , "panditarjun2004"> > > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > dear friend ole> > > > >> > > > > you can safely assume that human intervention is there while> > > > making> > > > > available a ripe rudraksha and to what extent is debtable.> > > > >> > > > > i have handled several thousands of nepalese rudraksha and > have> > > > seen> > > > > most of them having a natural hole and the hole can easily be> > > > cleared> > > > > with a needle. only few beads do not have holes which we > need> > to> > > > > make. however, i am only a retailer and hence if > wholesellers> > > and> > > > > other large retailers or farmers share their observations on> > all> > > > > nepalese rudraksha having natural hole, we can draw a> > conclusive> > > > > observation. till then these are my personal observations in> > my> > > > > limited knowledge.> > > > >> > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > www.rudraskharemedy.com> > > > >> > > > > sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup <alstrup@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun,> > > > > >> > > > > > If this is really so as you claim, I appreciate very much> > > your> > > > > honesty and integrity in making this information available > here> > > in> > > > > public. It will be very interesting to see if there are any> > other> > > > > info from other wholesellers/retailers to challenge or refute> > the> > > > > information, otherwise I would logically deduct that it is> > > > accurate.> > > > > I find it important that this information is made available > to> > > the> > > > > public, so people know if they are being cheated. I use(d) > the> > > > word> > > > > cheating very deliberately as this is my opinion of what is> > going> > > > on,> > > > > tampering with an unripe bead to make it appear ripe. This is> > not> > > > > aimed at your person, this is at what is seemingly going on > in> > > the> > > > > business nowadays to a great extent. As far as I understand > it,> > > > this> > > > > phenomenon of harvesting unripe beads has happened in recent> > > > years.> > > > > As I wrote, I know that beads can be soaked to make them > appear> > > > more> > > > > ripe, but only have limited personal experience and of course> > has> > > > > read a lot. There is still the claim that a> > > > > > natural ripened bead will look different, I have seen > photo> > of> > > > > this, but would like to investigate this further.> > > > > >> > > > > > About natural hole in Rudraksha, it is a fact that there > is> > > > loose> > > > > dried matter (residual fruit pulp) inside a natural hole. I> > have> > > > seen> > > > > this several times with the raw beads I have purchased. This > is> > > > > removed with a toothpick or something similar. If the hole> > inside> > > > is> > > > > obstructed by wooden matter from the bead itself in any of > the> > > > ends,> > > > > then we could say it has no natural hole? Connected with > this I> > > > have> > > > > some very interesting info from a major wholeseller in Nepal:> > > > > >> > > > > > All nepali rudraksha on the planet have natural hole > which> > > can> > > > be> > > > > easily drilled by tooth pick apart from 4 5 6 mukhi, which > have> > > > > strong seal on the bottom of the beads for which we need > drill> > > > > machine to remove.> > > > > >> > > > > > Is the above statement true or false?> > > > > >> > > > > > I would like to clarify that I do not believe a rudraksha> > > > fruit> > > > > has to fall off the tree in order for the bead inside to be> > ripe,> > > > I> > > > > believe it can be harvested at the peak. It would be> > interesting> > > > to> > > > > get the info from someone who has observed this in person.> > > > > >> > > > > > Many Thanks,> > > > > >> > > > > > Ole> > > > > >> > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> > > > > > dear friend ole> > > > > >> > > > > > this is a very sticky issue which is why your query was not> > > > > answered> > > > > > by others but as i speak the truth, i gave my opinion. in> > fact> > > > the> > > > > > so called old beads sold by the wholesellers in nepal are > all> > > > > soaked> > > > > > in oil for sometime. some wholesellers keep all their > higher> > > > mukhi> > > > > > beads only in oil and they give different reasons like> > > > protecting> > > > > > from infestation, to gain weight so that they will sink > etc.> > > > > >> > > > > > the word cheating does not apply here as the genuinity of > the> > > > > product> > > > > > is not tampered. but this soaking in oil happens at the> > farmer> > > > > front> > > > > > as well as the wholeseller front and hence the retailers > are> > > > > > helpless. many a time, the wholesellers sell the fresh > unripe> > > > beads> > > > > > at cheaper prices and the old heavy ripe beads at higher> > > prices.> > > > > > these suppliers say that they are TREATING the rudraksha> > before> > > > > > making it saleworthy. this factual process is shared with > the> > > > > > customers beforehand and hence there is no cheating > involved.> > > > these> > > > > > days many people do not volunteer to give answers to > queries> > > and> > > > if> > > > > i> > > > > > come forward, am attracting choicest words like cheating > even> > > > when> > > > > i> > > > > > am presenting the facts as they are.> > > > > >> > > > > > many rudrakshas also do not have holes naturally and they > get> > > > the> > > > > > holes made manually so that they are worth wearing. we > cannot> > > > call> > > > > > this fiddling or tampering. sometimes while making a > pendant> > > > even> > > > > > the seeds that obstruct the hole are removed and one has to> > > live> > > > > with> > > > > > these things if the rudraksha has to become worth wearing.> > > > > >> > > > > > these days fruits are not ripened naturally on the trees > and> > > are> > > > > not> > > > > > allowed to fall on the ground. if they are ripened > naturally> > on> > > > the> > > > > > trees, they are eaten by the birds, monkeys, squirrels etc.> > and> > > > the> > > > > > farmowner does not get any natural fruit in his hand. so he> > > > plucks> > > > > > the unripe fruits and store them in a room, ripen it and> > sell.> > > > do> > > > > > you call all these fruitsellers cheating.> > > > > >> > > > > > by using the word cheating, are you suggesting that a> > rudraksha> > > > > shall> > > > > > not be plucked from the tree in the first instance and let> > that> > > > be> > > > > > ripened and fall on its own weight and then take it and > sell> > it> > > > as> > > > > it> > > > > > is to the retailer. i dont think this happens at all.> > > > > >> > > > > > on my part i can only say that the rudraksha ripening > happens> > > at> > > > > the> > > > > > farm place or at the wholeseller's place and the retailer> > have> > > > no> > > > > > control. if a retailer buys a freshly plucked unripe> > rudraksha> > > > and> > > > > > it floats with light weight, the customer does not take it > at> > > > all> > > > > > even though it is genuine and natural because of the myth> > that> > > a> > > > > > genuine rudraksha must sink in the water.> > > > > >> > > > > > you may like to hear views from other learnt expert> > researchers> > > > as> > > > > to> > > > > > how they view this curing, treating or soaking the > rudraksha.> > > > > >> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > > >> > > > > > sacred-objects , Ole Alstrup > <alstrup@>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I dont think it is the norm to soak beads in oil up to 2> > > > months> > > > > > to make them heavy and sink in water? This is called> > cheating,> > > > > trying> > > > > > to pass off unripe beads as ripe! If unripe beads are > soaked> > > for> > > > a> > > > > > few days they will become heavy and change color, soaking > for> > > > some> > > > > > weeks then they can sink, but in any case they will darken> > > quite> > > > > > quickly and you can see this. If the harvesting season > starts> > > in> > > > > > September, soaked beads for 2 months would become available> > > only> > > > in> > > > > > November and that is not the norm, so I dont really> > understand> > > > your> > > > > > reasoning?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > Ole> > > > > > >> > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> > > > > > > dear friend ole> > > > > > >> > > > > > > as per my experience and knowledge, your observation is> > true> > > > that> > > > > > > unripe rudraksha are not only light in weight but also> > float> > > > in> > > > > > > water. hence we do a sort of curing by dipping them in > oil> > > and> > > > > keep> > > > > > > them in that condition for few months so that they become> > old> > > > and> > > > > > > gain weight and dip in water. here unripe word may be> > > > synonymous> > > > > > > with new, freshly plucked rudraksha as no farmer waits > for> > > the> > > > > > > rudraksha to fall on the ground after ripening. so this > is> > no> > > > > > secret> > > > > > > that all freshly plucked rudraksha are kept in oil for > few> > > > months.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > i do not know the answers for the harvesting months and> > other> > > > > > members> > > > > > > who have ground knowledge on this may answer this.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sacred-objects , "alstrup" > <alstrup@>> > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Fellow Members,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I posted the query below last year but without any> > response> > > > so> > > > > > far.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If anyone has knowledge about this, it would be very> > > > welcome.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Also, I was informed the harvesting season in Nepal> > starts> > > > in> > > > > > > > September, but also read that many farmers harvest > their> > > > beads> > > > > > too> > > > > > > > early, this for various reasons. Is the fully ripened> > beads> > > > > > > > harvested later ie. October, November, December?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Ole Alstrup> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sacred-objects , "alstrup"> > <alstrup@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It is said that ripe Rudraksha beads have more power> > and> > > > > > lifespan> > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > unripe beads. Is it true that the only difference> > between> > > > a> > > > > > ripe> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > unripe bead is an increase in weight?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > What is the botanical difference between a ripe and a> > > > unripe> > > > > > > bead,> > > > > > > > is it> > > > > > > > > the matured size of the seeds inside the locules of > the> > > > bead> > > > > > > > chambers?> > > > > > > > > How does one determine if the bead inside a fruit is> > > fully> > > > > > ripen> > > > > > > > on the> > > > > > > > > tree, according to the ripen look of the fruit?> > Ideally,> > > I> > > > > > guess> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > fruit should fall off the tree by itself for Nature > to> > > > show> > > > > the> > > > > > > > bead is> > > > > > > > > fully ripen.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ~ Ole> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who > knows.> > > > Tryit> > > > > > now.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit > For> > > > Good> > > > > this month.> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > ---------------------------> > > > > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release 8/28/2007 4:29 PM> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release 8/28/2007 4:29 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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