Exact Mechanism of Action of a Shaligram Shila

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Dear Richard Sir, Namaskar!!! First things first, Anukulvad Rocks!!!, Pratikulvad sucks, no question about that. Second, I beg to differ from your viewpoint.... Shaligrama is not a Gem!!!. It's nature is esoteric, whereas Gemstone's are Material Objects, so questioning their mechanism of action is tenable. Also Sir, i do not believe in questioning for the sake of satisfying dry intellectual pursuit. I agree that some questions don't have ready answers, but this does not mean contemplation & genuine discussion on them be avoided. I guess, a person who knows the exact answer to the question concerned; would first have to know, as to how Planetary Bodies exert their effects on the Anatomy & Physiology of an Individual. Without knowing the mechanisation of planets!!! one cannot gauge the mechanism of

their gems. So if a text/person makes a claim on something, then he should have the werewithal to back it up. Mere statements are not suffice. As far as how Shaligrama Shilas work, technically the Lord performs a Rakta Shuddhi for the devotee, the DNA & RNA chains are purified & one becomes free from the negative influences of Pitri Karma & his own individual Karma. A external shaligrama paves the way for the cleansning of the internal Shaligrama called the, "HiranyaGarbha". So as far as this i am concerned, I worship the Lord in the Shaligrama of my heart. & thru his Pushti i know how it exerts its postive influences on me. It purifies my blood so that i remain immune from kleshas & As i allign my cellular structure to his call, his Gayatri burns my karmic debts. May I take this upon myself, that all

that i quote is from personal experience, not info gained from letters or the Garuda Purana!!! Best Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 wrote: How does a Shalagram Shila exert its energy? Gems are piezoelectric and enhance ones good points or bad points. One should always cultivate their beneficial (Anukul) planets, either weak or strong.

Strength (or weakness) of a graha is different than it's nature. Like we can have a friend who is strong or weak, or an enemy who is strong or weak. We should resort to our friends and make our friends stronger (not our enemies).Gems also have an astrological effect directly linked to their ruling deva. Like Shalagram is Vishnu, so Ruby is Surya. If one has exalted ANUKUL Surya then theie will be increased solar benefit. If one has exalted PRATIKUL Surya then there will be increased harmful solar effect. So effect depends on 1) quality and 2) placement.Who SAYS gems MUST touch the skin? Even Ratna-daan is most effective, what to speak of wearing in a kavacha on your body. There is no need for the gem to directly touch on the skin (nor on the planet), but the back of the kavacha should be open for light to pass. That is common sense.Again, with Sri Shalagram, how shall the Shila exert its effect, what specific changes shall take place in the person's

body; that shall specifically enhance the positive spiritual vibrations & How !!!? Exact Mechanism???Best wishes,Richardsacred-objects , Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote:>> Hello To All,> > In Jyotish we are taught, "Faultless Jewels augment Positive Planetary Radiations." Now say if, the person has an exalted Sun, so Ruby is recommended to be worn in a gold ring, preferably in the Ring Finger. (Also Ensuring the Gem touches the Body)> > Then what!!!, > > How shall the gem exert its effect, what specific changes shall take place in the person's, body; that shall specifically enhance the positive planetary vibrations & How !!!> > Kindly Guide,> > Abhishek > > > > 5, 50, 500,

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With salagrama sila there is no doubt indeed some gemstone mechanism at work as in jewels such as ruby, diamond, etc; make no mistake about this. With that said, it is indeed a type of gem (If this werent true, then why do some deities all over India wear alankaram made of salagramas?). But more than anything, it should be stressed that the salagrama's power lies in the fact that it is an actual svayambhu (self manifest), alive deity that can grant and confer boons on individuals just as any temple deity can that has undergone prana pratistha ritual. There is no doubt about this. Janardana DasaAbhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote: Dear Richard Sir, Namaskar!!! First things first, Anukulvad Rocks!!!, Pratikulvad sucks, no question about that. Second, I beg to differ from your viewpoint.... Shaligrama is not a Gem!!!. It's nature is esoteric, whereas Gemstone's are Material Objects, so questioning their mechanism of action is tenable. Also Sir, i do not believe in questioning for the sake of satisfying dry intellectual pursuit. I agree that some questions don't have ready answers, but this does not mean contemplation & genuine discussion on them be avoided. I guess, a person who knows the exact answer to the question

concerned; would first have to know, as to how Planetary Bodies exert their effects on the Anatomy & Physiology of an Individual. Without knowing the mechanisation of planets!!! one cannot gauge the mechanism of their gems. So if a text/person makes a claim on something, then he should have the werewithal to back it up. Mere statements are not suffice. As far as how Shaligrama Shilas work, technically the Lord performs a Rakta Shuddhi for the devotee, the DNA & RNA chains are purified & one becomes free from the negative influences of Pitri Karma & his own individual Karma. A external shaligrama paves the way for the cleansning of the internal Shaligrama called the, "HiranyaGarbha". So as far as this i am concerned, I worship the Lord in the Shaligrama of my heart. & thru his Pushti i know how it exerts its

postive influences on me. It purifies my blood so that i remain immune from kleshas & As i allign my cellular structure to his call, his Gayatri burns my karmic debts. May I take this upon myself, that all that i quote is from personal experience, not info gained from letters or the Garuda Purana!!! Best Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 > wrote: How does a Shalagram Shila exert its energy? Gems are piezoelectric and enhance ones good points or bad points. One should always cultivate their beneficial (Anukul) planets, either weak or strong. Strength (or weakness) of a graha is different than it's nature.

Like we can have a friend who is strong or weak, or an enemy who is strong or weak. We should resort to our friends and make our friends stronger (not our enemies).Gems also have an astrological effect directly linked to their ruling deva. Like Shalagram is Vishnu, so Ruby is Surya. If one has exalted ANUKUL Surya then theie will be increased solar benefit. If one has exalted PRATIKUL Surya then there will be increased harmful solar effect. So effect depends on 1) quality and 2) placement.Who SAYS gems MUST touch the skin? Even Ratna-daan is most effective, what to speak of wearing in a kavacha on your body. There is no need for the gem to directly touch on the skin (nor on the planet), but the back of the kavacha should be open for light to pass. That is common sense.Again, with Sri Shalagram, how shall the Shila exert its effect, what specific changes shall take place in the person's body; that shall specifically enhance the positive spiritual

vibrations & How !!!? Exact Mechanism???Best wishes,Richardsacred-objects , Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote:>> Hello To All,> > In Jyotish we are taught, "Faultless Jewels augment Positive Planetary Radiations." Now say if, the person has an exalted Sun, so Ruby is recommended to be worn in a gold ring, preferably in the Ring Finger. (Also Ensuring the Gem touches the Body)> > Then what!!!, > > How shall the gem exert its effect, what specific changes shall take place in the person's, body; that shall specifically enhance the positive planetary vibrations & How !!!> > Kindly Guide,> > Abhishek > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Click

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Jai Sri Radha Brindawana Chandra.... Janardana Dasa ji Namaskar, Very humbly Sir, I beg to differ from your contention that Shaligram Shilas are Gems. They are "Esoteric" in nature, whereas Gemstones are material objects. It is for this reason Navratna's are bought & sold. My question was as to how gemstones, act!!! How they actually bring about the changes, positive influences attributed to them at a physical level. This is a very valid query. If one does not know the answer, its better to say so, than to confuse the seeker with the statement, "Do you know how shaligrams act!!!, it is the same with gemstones"!!! As luck would have it, I have discussed my experience as to how Shaligram Shilas display their grace. Now you think about it, can there be a bigger boon, than having the Lord for

company (in the form of a Shaligram)!!! Namaskar Janardana Dasa <lightdweller wrote: With salagrama sila there is no doubt indeed some gemstone mechanism at work as in jewels such as ruby, diamond, etc; make no mistake about this. With that said, it is indeed a type of gem (If this werent true, then why do some deities all over India wear alankaram made of salagramas?). But

more than anything, it should be stressed that the salagrama's power lies in the fact that it is an actual svayambhu (self manifest), alive deity that can grant and confer boons on individuals just as any temple deity can that has undergone prana pratistha ritual. There is no doubt about this. Janardana DasaAbhishek Dutta <benarsibabu (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Richard Sir, Namaskar!!! First things first, Anukulvad Rocks!!!, Pratikulvad sucks, no question about that. Second, I beg to differ from your viewpoint.... Shaligrama is not a Gem!!!. It's nature is esoteric, whereas Gemstone's are Material Objects, so questioning their mechanism of action is tenable. Also Sir, i do not believe in

questioning for the sake of satisfying dry intellectual pursuit. I agree that some questions don't have ready answers, but this does not mean contemplation & genuine discussion on them be avoided. I guess, a person who knows the exact answer to the question concerned; would first have to know, as to how Planetary Bodies exert their effects on the Anatomy & Physiology of an Individual. Without knowing the mechanisation of planets!!! one cannot gauge the mechanism of their gems. So if a text/person makes a claim on something, then he should have the werewithal to back it up. Mere statements are not suffice. As far as how Shaligrama Shilas work, technically the Lord performs a Rakta Shuddhi for the devotee, the DNA & RNA chains are purified & one becomes free from the negative influences of Pitri Karma & his own individual

Karma. A external shaligrama paves the way for the cleansning of the internal Shaligrama called the, "HiranyaGarbha". So as far as this i am concerned, I worship the Lord in the Shaligrama of my heart. & thru his Pushti i know how it exerts its postive influences on me. It purifies my blood so that i remain immune from kleshas & As i allign my cellular structure to his call, his Gayatri burns my karmic debts. May I take this upon myself, that all that i quote is from personal experience, not info gained from letters or the Garuda Purana!!! Best Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 > wrote: How does a Shalagram Shila exert its energy? Gems are piezoelectric and enhance ones good points or bad points. One should always cultivate their beneficial (Anukul) planets, either weak or strong. Strength (or weakness) of a graha is different than it's nature. Like we can have a friend who is strong or weak, or an enemy who is strong or weak. We should resort to our friends and make our friends stronger (not our enemies).Gems also have an astrological effect directly linked to their ruling deva. Like Shalagram is Vishnu, so Ruby is Surya. If one has exalted ANUKUL Surya then theie will be increased solar benefit. If one has exalted PRATIKUL Surya then there will be increased harmful solar effect. So effect depends on 1) quality and 2) placement.Who SAYS gems MUST touch the skin? Even Ratna-daan is most effective, what to speak of wearing in a kavacha on your body. There is no need for the gem to directly touch

on the skin (nor on the planet), but the back of the kavacha should be open for light to pass. That is common sense.Again, with Sri Shalagram, how shall the Shila exert its effect, what specific changes shall take place in the person's body; that shall specifically enhance the positive spiritual vibrations & How !!!? Exact Mechanism???Best wishes,Richardsacred-objects , Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote:>> Hello To All,> > In Jyotish we are taught, "Faultless Jewels augment Positive Planetary Radiations." Now say if, the person has an exalted Sun, so Ruby is recommended to be worn in a gold ring, preferably in the Ring Finger. (Also Ensuring the Gem touches the Body)> > Then what!!!, > > How shall the gem exert its effect, what specific changes shall take place in the

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Radhe-Shyam! Respected Sir! We are in agreement! Although gems are indeed material in nature, and Salagram Ji is divine in nature, he is the ultimate cause of all causes of even the material gemstones you yourself speak of. Doesn't this indeed make him ultimately responsible for them, and on some level make him at the very least all inclusive of a gem (or rather a mundane gem is part and parcel of him) and more? As far as Salagram ji acting like a gemstone on a real material level, you are correct in that we should not view them that way, as that is putting them on a mundane perspective. But, I am certain that due to their divine potency, on some level they have even more than the effect of a mundane gemstone. That's all i am trying to say. In other words they are not "gems" in the mundane perspective, but precious gems in the

divine perspective. Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote: Jai Sri Radha Brindawana Chandra.... Janardana Dasa ji Namaskar, Very humbly Sir, I beg to differ from your contention that Shaligram Shilas are Gems. They are "Esoteric" in nature, whereas Gemstones are material objects. It is for this reason Navratna's are bought & sold. My question was as to how gemstones, act!!! How they

actually bring about the changes, positive influences attributed to them at a physical level. This is a very valid query. If one does not know the answer, its better to say so, than to confuse the seeker with the statement, "Do you know how shaligrams act!!!, it is the same with gemstones"!!! As luck would have it, I have discussed my experience as to how Shaligram Shilas display their grace. Now you think about it, can there be a bigger boon, than having the Lord for company (in the form of a Shaligram)!!! Namaskar Janardana Dasa <lightdweller > wrote: With salagrama sila there is no doubt indeed some gemstone mechanism at work as in jewels such as ruby,

diamond, etc; make no mistake about this. With that said, it is indeed a type of gem (If this werent true, then why do some deities all over India wear alankaram made of salagramas?). But more than anything, it should be stressed that the salagrama's power lies in the fact that it is an actual svayambhu (self manifest), alive deity that can grant and confer boons on individuals just as any temple deity can that has undergone prana pratistha ritual. There is no doubt about this. Janardana DasaAbhishek Dutta <benarsibabu (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Richard Sir, Namaskar!!! First things first, Anukulvad Rocks!!!, Pratikulvad sucks, no question about that. Second, I beg to

differ from your viewpoint.... Shaligrama is not a Gem!!!. It's nature is esoteric, whereas Gemstone's are Material Objects, so questioning their mechanism of action is tenable. Also Sir, i do not believe in questioning for the sake of satisfying dry intellectual pursuit. I agree that some questions don't have ready answers, but this does not mean contemplation & genuine discussion on them be avoided. I guess, a person who knows the exact answer to the question concerned; would first have to know, as to how Planetary Bodies exert their effects on the Anatomy & Physiology of an Individual. Without knowing the mechanisation of planets!!! one cannot gauge the mechanism of their gems. So if a text/person makes a claim on something, then he should have the werewithal to back it up. Mere statements are not suffice. As far as how Shaligrama Shilas work, technically the Lord performs a Rakta Shuddhi for the devotee, the DNA & RNA chains are purified & one becomes free from the negative influences of Pitri Karma & his own individual Karma. A external shaligrama paves the way for the cleansning of the internal Shaligrama called the, "HiranyaGarbha". So as far as this i am concerned, I worship the Lord in the Shaligrama of my heart. & thru his Pushti i know how it exerts its postive influences on me. It purifies my blood so that i remain immune from kleshas & As i allign my cellular structure to his call, his Gayatri burns my karmic debts. May I take this upon myself, that all that i quote is from personal experience, not info gained from letters or the Garuda Purana!!! Best Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 > wrote: How does a Shalagram Shila exert its energy? Gems are piezoelectric and enhance ones good points or bad points. One should always cultivate their beneficial (Anukul) planets, either weak or strong. Strength (or weakness) of a graha is different than it's nature. Like we can have a friend who is strong or weak, or an enemy who is strong or weak. We should resort to our friends and make our friends stronger (not our enemies).Gems also have an astrological effect directly linked to their ruling deva. Like Shalagram is Vishnu, so Ruby is Surya. If one has exalted ANUKUL Surya then theie will be increased solar benefit. If one has exalted PRATIKUL Surya then there will be

increased harmful solar effect. So effect depends on 1) quality and 2) placement.Who SAYS gems MUST touch the skin? Even Ratna-daan is most effective, what to speak of wearing in a kavacha on your body. There is no need for the gem to directly touch on the skin (nor on the planet), but the back of the kavacha should be open for light to pass. That is common sense.Again, with Sri Shalagram, how shall the Shila exert its effect, what specific changes shall take place in the person's body; that shall specifically enhance the positive spiritual vibrations & How !!!? Exact Mechanism???Best wishes,Richardsacred-objects , Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote:>> Hello To All,> > In Jyotish we are taught, "Faultless Jewels augment Positive Planetary Radiations." Now say if, the person has an exalted Sun, so Ruby

is recommended to be worn in a gold ring, preferably in the Ring Finger. (Also Ensuring the Gem touches the Body)> > Then what!!!, > > How shall the gem exert its effect, what specific changes shall take place in the person's, body; that shall specifically enhance the positive planetary vibrations & How !!!> > Kindly Guide,> > Abhishek > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. Be a better friend, newshound, and

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Kind Sir, Namaskar... It would be prudent to state, that Lord is the ultimate cause of all good. He ensured that there be diamond mines in Sierra Leone, but he did not cause the conflict's which ensued their discovery. Let us figuratively think as to what is the ultimate gem he created, i guess its the, "human being". Whilst a Naga Mani might bring dead back to life, but it cannot change/alter the inherent nature of a human being. This is the fundamental difference between a Gem & a Shaligram, a Shaligram has the ability to infuse Sanskars into a individual. The Grace of Shaligram, is all pervading, but if a devotee expects to "materially" profit from its seva, its sacrilegious!!! Shaligram Shilas are not "collector items", i find some people show them off in a manner as though they are eye candy. That is not

on. Gems, are Maya, they shall not go with a person at the time of his death, while i know of many cases wherein the Shaligram Shilas have "gone along", with person who lovingly performed his/her seva to the Lord. Selfless Love is the only Passport to Vaikuntha.... Manasa Bhava Re Guru Charnam, Dustara Bhava Sagara Taranam... Your friend Abhi Janardana Dasa <lightdweller wrote: Radhe-Shyam! Respected Sir! We are in agreement! Although gems are indeed material in nature, and Salagram Ji is divine in nature, he is the ultimate cause of all causes of even the material gemstones you yourself speak of. Doesn't this indeed make him ultimately responsible for them, and on some level make him at the very least all inclusive of a gem (or rather a mundane gem is part and parcel of him) and more? As far as Salagram ji acting like a gemstone on a real material level, you are correct in that we should not view them that way, as that is putting them on a mundane perspective. But, I am certain that due to their divine potency, on some level they have even more than the effect of a mundane gemstone. That's all i am trying to say. In other

words they are not "gems" in the mundane perspective, but precious gems in the divine perspective. Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Jai Sri Radha Brindawana Chandra.... Janardana Dasa ji Namaskar, Very humbly Sir, I beg to differ from your contention that Shaligram Shilas are Gems. They are "Esoteric" in nature, whereas Gemstones are material objects. It is for this reason Navratna's are bought & sold. My question was as to how gemstones, act!!! How they actually bring about the changes, positive influences attributed to them at a physical level. This is a very valid query. If one does not know the answer, its better to say so, than to

confuse the seeker with the statement, "Do you know how shaligrams act!!!, it is the same with gemstones"!!! As luck would have it, I have discussed my experience as to how Shaligram Shilas display their grace. Now you think about it, can there be a bigger boon, than having the Lord for company (in the form of a Shaligram)!!! Namaskar Janardana Dasa <lightdweller > wrote: With salagrama sila there is no doubt indeed some gemstone mechanism at work as in jewels such as ruby, diamond, etc; make no mistake about this. With that said, it is indeed a type of gem (If this werent true, then why do some deities all over India wear alankaram made of salagramas?).

But more than anything, it should be stressed that the salagrama's power lies in the fact that it is an actual svayambhu (self manifest), alive deity that can grant and confer boons on individuals just as any temple deity can that has undergone prana pratistha ritual. There is no doubt about this. Janardana DasaAbhishek Dutta <benarsibabu (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Richard Sir, Namaskar!!! First things first, Anukulvad Rocks!!!, Pratikulvad sucks, no question about that. Second, I beg to differ from your viewpoint.... Shaligrama is not a Gem!!!. It's nature is esoteric, whereas Gemstone's are Material Objects, so questioning their mechanism of action is tenable. Also

Sir, i do not believe in questioning for the sake of satisfying dry intellectual pursuit. I agree that some questions don't have ready answers, but this does not mean contemplation & genuine discussion on them be avoided. I guess, a person who knows the exact answer to the question concerned; would first have to know, as to how Planetary Bodies exert their effects on the Anatomy & Physiology of an Individual. Without knowing the mechanisation of planets!!! one cannot gauge the mechanism of their gems. So if a text/person makes a claim on something, then he should have the werewithal to back it up. Mere statements are not suffice. As far as how Shaligrama Shilas work, technically the Lord performs a Rakta Shuddhi for the devotee, the DNA & RNA chains are purified & one becomes free from the negative influences of Pitri Karma

& his own individual Karma. A external shaligrama paves the way for the cleansning of the internal Shaligrama called the, "HiranyaGarbha". So as far as this i am concerned, I worship the Lord in the Shaligrama of my heart. & thru his Pushti i know how it exerts its postive influences on me. It purifies my blood so that i remain immune from kleshas & As i allign my cellular structure to his call, his Gayatri burns my karmic debts. May I take this upon myself, that all that i quote is from personal experience, not info gained from letters or the Garuda Purana!!! Best Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 > wrote: How does a Shalagram Shila exert its energy? Gems are piezoelectric and enhance ones good points or bad points. One should always cultivate their beneficial (Anukul) planets, either weak or strong. Strength (or weakness) of a graha is different than it's nature. Like we can have a friend who is strong or weak, or an enemy who is strong or weak. We should resort to our friends and make our friends stronger (not our enemies).Gems also have an astrological effect directly linked to their ruling deva. Like Shalagram is Vishnu, so Ruby is Surya. If one has exalted ANUKUL Surya then theie will be increased solar benefit. If one has exalted PRATIKUL Surya then there will be increased harmful solar effect. So effect depends on 1) quality and 2) placement.Who SAYS gems MUST touch the skin? Even Ratna-daan is most effective, what to speak of wearing in a kavacha on your body. There is no

need for the gem to directly touch on the skin (nor on the planet), but the back of the kavacha should be open for light to pass. That is common sense.Again, with Sri Shalagram, how shall the Shila exert its effect, what specific changes shall take place in the person's body; that shall specifically enhance the positive spiritual vibrations & How !!!? Exact Mechanism???Best wishes,Richardsacred-objects , Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote:>> Hello To All,> > In Jyotish we are taught, "Faultless Jewels augment Positive Planetary Radiations." Now say if, the person has an exalted Sun, so Ruby is recommended to be worn in a gold ring, preferably in the Ring Finger. (Also Ensuring the Gem touches the Body)> > Then what!!!, > > How shall the gem exert its effect, what specific changes

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Namaste Jee... Again, I really do think we agree in principle, barring a few theological differences that would probably be called intellectual hairsplitting by many. But onto another subject: Have you actually heard of salagram silas going along with their sevaks after death? Please elaborate!Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote: Kind Sir, Namaskar... It would be prudent to state, that Lord is the ultimate cause of all

good. He ensured that there be diamond mines in Sierra Leone, but he did not cause the conflict's which ensued their discovery. Let us figuratively think as to what is the ultimate gem he created, i guess its the, "human being". Whilst a Naga Mani might bring dead back to life, but it cannot change/alter the inherent nature of a human being. This is the fundamental difference between a Gem & a Shaligram, a Shaligram has the ability to infuse Sanskars into a individual. The Grace of Shaligram, is all pervading, but if a devotee expects to "materially" profit from its seva, its sacrilegious!!! Shaligram Shilas are not "collector items", i find some people show them off in a manner as though they are eye candy. That is not on. Gems, are Maya, they shall not go with a person at the time of his death, while i know of many

cases wherein the Shaligram Shilas have "gone along", with person who lovingly performed his/her seva to the Lord. Selfless Love is the only Passport to Vaikuntha.... Manasa Bhava Re Guru Charnam, Dustara Bhava Sagara Taranam... Your friend Abhi Janardana Dasa <lightdweller > wrote: Radhe-Shyam! Respected Sir! We are in agreement! Although gems are indeed material in nature, and Salagram Ji is divine in nature, he is the ultimate cause of all causes of even the material gemstones you yourself speak of. Doesn't this indeed make him

ultimately responsible for them, and on some level make him at the very least all inclusive of a gem (or rather a mundane gem is part and parcel of him) and more? As far as Salagram ji acting like a gemstone on a real material level, you are correct in that we should not view them that way, as that is putting them on a mundane perspective. But, I am certain that due to their divine potency, on some level they have even more than the effect of a mundane gemstone. That's all i am trying to say. In other words they are not "gems" in the mundane perspective, but precious gems in the divine perspective. Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Jai Sri Radha Brindawana Chandra.... Janardana Dasa ji Namaskar, Very humbly Sir, I beg to differ from your contention that Shaligram Shilas are Gems. They are "Esoteric" in nature, whereas Gemstones are material objects. It is for this reason Navratna's are bought & sold. My question was as to how gemstones, act!!! How they actually bring about the changes, positive influences attributed to them at a physical level. This is a very valid query. If one does not know the answer, its better to say so, than to confuse the seeker with the statement, "Do you know how shaligrams act!!!, it is the same with gemstones"!!! As luck would have it, I have discussed my experience as to how Shaligram Shilas display their grace. Now you think about it, can there be a bigger boon, than having the Lord for company (in the form of a Shaligram)!!! Namaskar Janardana Dasa <lightdweller > wrote: With salagrama sila there is no doubt indeed some gemstone mechanism at work as in jewels such as ruby, diamond, etc; make no mistake about this. With that said, it is indeed a type of gem (If this werent true, then why do some deities all over India wear alankaram made of salagramas?). But more than anything, it should be stressed that the salagrama's power lies in the fact that it is an actual svayambhu (self manifest), alive deity that can grant and confer boons on individuals just as any temple deity can that has undergone prana pratistha ritual. There is no doubt about this. Janardana DasaAbhishek Dutta

<benarsibabu (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Richard Sir, Namaskar!!! First things first, Anukulvad Rocks!!!, Pratikulvad sucks, no question about that. Second, I beg to differ from your viewpoint.... Shaligrama is not a Gem!!!. It's nature is esoteric, whereas Gemstone's are Material Objects, so questioning their mechanism of action is tenable. Also Sir, i do not believe in questioning for the sake of satisfying dry intellectual pursuit. I agree that some questions don't have ready answers, but this does not mean contemplation & genuine discussion on them be avoided. I guess, a person who knows the exact answer to the question concerned; would first have to know, as to how Planetary Bodies exert

their effects on the Anatomy & Physiology of an Individual. Without knowing the mechanisation of planets!!! one cannot gauge the mechanism of their gems. So if a text/person makes a claim on something, then he should have the werewithal to back it up. Mere statements are not suffice. As far as how Shaligrama Shilas work, technically the Lord performs a Rakta Shuddhi for the devotee, the DNA & RNA chains are purified & one becomes free from the negative influences of Pitri Karma & his own individual Karma. A external shaligrama paves the way for the cleansning of the internal Shaligrama called the, "HiranyaGarbha". So as far as this i am concerned, I worship the Lord in the Shaligrama of my heart. & thru his Pushti i know how it exerts its postive influences on me. It purifies my blood so that i remain immune from

kleshas & As i allign my cellular structure to his call, his Gayatri burns my karmic debts. May I take this upon myself, that all that i quote is from personal experience, not info gained from letters or the Garuda Purana!!! Best Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 > wrote: How does a Shalagram Shila exert its energy? Gems are piezoelectric and enhance ones good points or bad points. One should always cultivate their beneficial (Anukul) planets, either weak or strong. Strength (or weakness) of a graha is different than it's nature. Like we can have a friend who is strong or weak, or an enemy who is strong or

weak. We should resort to our friends and make our friends stronger (not our enemies).Gems also have an astrological effect directly linked to their ruling deva. Like Shalagram is Vishnu, so Ruby is Surya. If one has exalted ANUKUL Surya then theie will be increased solar benefit. If one has exalted PRATIKUL Surya then there will be increased harmful solar effect. So effect depends on 1) quality and 2) placement.Who SAYS gems MUST touch the skin? Even Ratna-daan is most effective, what to speak of wearing in a kavacha on your body. There is no need for the gem to directly touch on the skin (nor on the planet), but the back of the kavacha should be open for light to pass. That is common sense.Again, with Sri Shalagram, how shall the Shila exert its effect, what specific changes shall take place in the person's body; that shall specifically enhance the positive spiritual vibrations & How !!!? Exact Mechanism???Best

wishes,Richardsacred-objects , Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote:>> Hello To All,> > In Jyotish we are taught, "Faultless Jewels augment Positive Planetary Radiations." Now say if, the person has an exalted Sun, so Ruby is recommended to be worn in a gold ring, preferably in the Ring Finger. (Also Ensuring the Gem touches the Body)> > Then what!!!, > > How shall the gem exert its effect, what specific changes shall take place in the person's, body; that shall specifically enhance the positive planetary vibrations & How !!!> > Kindly Guide,> > Abhishek > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Save all your chat conversations. Find them online.

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Janardana Ji, Yes in our tradition if a aspirant is unable to carry his Shila "alongwith" him, at the time of leaving the deha , he is not allowed to leave. This tradition was established by Lord Sanat Kumara. BestJanardana Dasa <lightdweller wrote: Namaste Jee... Again, I really do think we agree in principle, barring a few theological differences that would probably be called

intellectual hairsplitting by many. But onto another subject: Have you actually heard of salagram silas going along with their sevaks after death? Please elaborate!Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Kind Sir, Namaskar... It would be prudent to state, that Lord is the ultimate cause of all good. He ensured that there be diamond mines in Sierra Leone, but he did not cause the conflict's which ensued their discovery. Let us figuratively think as to what is the ultimate gem he created, i guess its the, "human being". Whilst a Naga Mani might bring dead back to life, but it cannot change/alter the inherent nature of a human being. This is the fundamental difference between a Gem & a Shaligram, a Shaligram has the ability

to infuse Sanskars into a individual. The Grace of Shaligram, is all pervading, but if a devotee expects to "materially" profit from its seva, its sacrilegious!!! Shaligram Shilas are not "collector items", i find some people show them off in a manner as though they are eye candy. That is not on. Gems, are Maya, they shall not go with a person at the time of his death, while i know of many cases wherein the Shaligram Shilas have "gone along", with person who lovingly performed his/her seva to the Lord. Selfless Love is the only Passport to Vaikuntha.... Manasa Bhava Re Guru Charnam, Dustara Bhava Sagara Taranam... Your friend Abhi Janardana

Dasa <lightdweller > wrote: Radhe-Shyam! Respected Sir! We are in agreement! Although gems are indeed material in nature, and Salagram Ji is divine in nature, he is the ultimate cause of all causes of even the material gemstones you yourself speak of. Doesn't this indeed make him ultimately responsible for them, and on some level make him at the very least all inclusive of a gem (or rather a mundane gem is part and parcel of him) and more? As far as Salagram ji acting like a gemstone on a real material level, you are correct in that we should not view them that way, as that is putting them on a mundane perspective. But, I am certain that due to their divine potency, on some level they have even more than the effect of a

mundane gemstone. That's all i am trying to say. In other words they are not "gems" in the mundane perspective, but precious gems in the divine perspective. Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Jai Sri Radha Brindawana Chandra.... Janardana Dasa ji Namaskar, Very humbly Sir, I beg to differ from your contention that Shaligram Shilas are Gems. They are "Esoteric" in nature, whereas Gemstones are material objects. It is for this reason Navratna's are bought & sold. My question was as to how gemstones, act!!! How they actually bring about the changes, positive influences attributed to them at a physical level. This is a very valid query. If one does not know the answer, its better to say so, than to confuse the seeker with the statement, "Do you know how shaligrams act!!!, it is the same with gemstones"!!! As luck would have it, I have discussed my experience as to how Shaligram Shilas display their grace. Now you think about it, can there be a bigger boon, than having the Lord for company (in the form of a Shaligram)!!! Namaskar Janardana Dasa <lightdweller > wrote: With salagrama sila there is no doubt indeed some gemstone mechanism at work as in jewels such as ruby, diamond, etc; make no mistake about this. With that said, it is indeed a type of gem (If this werent true, then why do

some deities all over India wear alankaram made of salagramas?). But more than anything, it should be stressed that the salagrama's power lies in the fact that it is an actual svayambhu (self manifest), alive deity that can grant and confer boons on individuals just as any temple deity can that has undergone prana pratistha ritual. There is no doubt about this. Janardana DasaAbhishek Dutta <benarsibabu (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Richard Sir, Namaskar!!! First things first, Anukulvad Rocks!!!, Pratikulvad sucks, no question about that. Second, I beg to differ from your viewpoint.... Shaligrama is not a Gem!!!. It's nature is esoteric, whereas Gemstone's are Material Objects, so

questioning their mechanism of action is tenable. Also Sir, i do not believe in questioning for the sake of satisfying dry intellectual pursuit. I agree that some questions don't have ready answers, but this does not mean contemplation & genuine discussion on them be avoided. I guess, a person who knows the exact answer to the question concerned; would first have to know, as to how Planetary Bodies exert their effects on the Anatomy & Physiology of an Individual. Without knowing the mechanisation of planets!!! one cannot gauge the mechanism of their gems. So if a text/person makes a claim on something, then he should have the werewithal to back it up. Mere statements are not suffice. As far as how Shaligrama Shilas work, technically the Lord performs a Rakta Shuddhi for the devotee, the DNA & RNA

chains are purified & one becomes free from the negative influences of Pitri Karma & his own individual Karma. A external shaligrama paves the way for the cleansning of the internal Shaligrama called the, "HiranyaGarbha". So as far as this i am concerned, I worship the Lord in the Shaligrama of my heart. & thru his Pushti i know how it exerts its postive influences on me. It purifies my blood so that i remain immune from kleshas & As i allign my cellular structure to his call, his Gayatri burns my karmic debts. May I take this upon myself, that all that i quote is from personal experience, not info gained from letters or the Garuda Purana!!! Best Richard Shaw-Brown <rsbj66 > wrote: How does a Shalagram Shila exert its energy? Gems are piezoelectric and enhance ones good points or bad points. One should always cultivate their beneficial (Anukul) planets, either weak or strong. Strength (or weakness) of a graha is different than it's nature. Like we can have a friend who is strong or weak, or an enemy who is strong or weak. We should resort to our friends and make our friends stronger (not our enemies).Gems also have an astrological effect directly linked to their ruling deva. Like Shalagram is Vishnu, so Ruby is Surya. If one has exalted ANUKUL Surya then theie will be increased solar benefit. If one has exalted PRATIKUL Surya then there will be increased harmful solar effect. So effect depends on 1) quality and 2) placement.Who SAYS gems MUST touch the

skin? Even Ratna-daan is most effective, what to speak of wearing in a kavacha on your body. There is no need for the gem to directly touch on the skin (nor on the planet), but the back of the kavacha should be open for light to pass. That is common sense.Again, with Sri Shalagram, how shall the Shila exert its effect, what specific changes shall take place in the person's body; that shall specifically enhance the positive spiritual vibrations & How !!!? Exact Mechanism???Best wishes,Richardsacred-objects , Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote:>> Hello To All,> > In Jyotish we are taught, "Faultless Jewels augment Positive Planetary Radiations." Now say if, the person has an exalted Sun, so Ruby is recommended to be worn in a gold ring, preferably in the Ring Finger. (Also Ensuring the Gem touches the

Body)> > Then what!!!, > > How shall the gem exert its effect, what specific changes shall take place in the person's, body; that shall specifically enhance the positive planetary vibrations & How !!!> > Kindly Guide,> > Abhishek > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Save all your chat conversations. Find them online. Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

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