Guest guest Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 What exactly is the meaning of a " Hindu " - though born in India, who are non veg, do not worship Bhagavan, and have never read the Gita!?? Even many Muslims are born in India - does THAT birth in Hindustan make them Hindu? Any Christian who has not read Bible, any Muslim who has not read Koran, any Hindu who has NOT read Gita, they are ALL nonsense, and belong to no religion. One can be a born Indian, because that is political law. Nationality. But no one is a born Hindu. Hindu is a wisdom, a realization, a practice, a philosophy. It is NOT a nationality. Hindu is religion, not a nationality. Anyone can be a Hindu, even if born on the Moon. But to be Indian one must be born Indian, OR take up Indian nationality legally. Hinduism is not a legal matter. In Gita Lord Krishna clearly says that to be a Hindu of any varna is a matter of " guna " and " karma " - no where does He mention " Janma " (chaturvarnam mayasristam guna-karma vibhagashah---Gita). Y/s, Richard sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66 wrote: > > Dear Amit, > > Absolutely correct you are!!! " Niraasta kuhakaam satyam param dimahi " > - for the removal of darkness we meditate on the REAL truth. This > means education. And education comes from willing discriminating > disciples and qualified Gurus. In case of Hindu jewelers they are 99% > the biggest bunch of ignorant rascals I ever met. They can show a > heavily cracked junk stone to a prospective client and tell them it is > a " clean gem " . This is called " dog-faced liars! " > > But it is the duty of the student to reject such lies and non-sense. > When the Sun is shining I reject any Guru who tells me it is night. > When a gem is junk I reject any Guru who says it is clean. We can > blame the bogus Hindu jewelers for lying and cheating, but we must > also accuse the student of being a first-class idiot, and not > believing their very eyes. > > There are most all Hindu jewelers who belong in jail for lying, just > as there are most Hindu puja dealers who belong in jail for > fraudulently selling WHELK shells as Lakshmi Shank. THIS REALITY is > the purpose of this group. To remove darkness with light. > > And when I say " Hindu " I am referring to myself as well. I have read > Gita 20 times, and Puranas, Mahabharat, Ramayana, as well as > Upanishads and studied different tikas of Vedanta Sutras. I'm > initiated as a Brahmin in 1967. I'm pure vege diet. I worship > Shalagram Shila with REAL lakshmi shank since 1973. So I am an honest > " Hindu Jeweler " who is NOT a liar nor fool. I don't mislead and cheat > people. I am less than 1% of Hindu Jewelers. Most are shameless > rascals who should be tarred-n-feathered in public. > > But what exactly is the meaning of a " Hindu " - though born in India, > who are non veg, do not worship Bhagavan, and have never read the > Gita!?? Even many Muslims are born in India - does THAT birth in > Hindustan make them Hindu? > > Any Christian who has not read Bible, any Muslim who has not read > Koran, any Hindu who has NOT read Gita, they are ALL nonsense, and > belong to no religion. > > So the purpose of this group is only served when I stir up the ocean > of amrita with TRUTHS. Otherwise it is a silent group getting nowhere. > > Best wishes, > Richard > > > sacred-objects , " Amit Rupani " <amitr1981@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Richardji, > > Your observation is 100% correct with Navratna rings, > > personally I have never used a Navratna ring but what I have seen is > pure > > 100% junk except on one occasion. Even my aunt once ordered a custom > > Navratnaa ring for his son in which she only selected the Diamond rest > > Asht-Ratna were selected by jeweller and as you can guess they were > JUNK. > > The exception I mentioned is when I meet Neetaji at her office she > showed my > > Navratna pendants of yours and even though small they were > magnificent gems. > > Secondly mos Hindoos have not read Gita so we shouldn't be expecting > them to > > to read Puranas. > > > > Education is the only way we can make them > understand > > the purpose of gems. If you want to harness the power of gems use fine > > quality gems otherwise refrain from using them. > > > > The ignorance is so much with gems that once a > client > > was asking for 7 carat Diamond when his income is mere 60000/year. > and on > > other occassion someone asked Pukhraj of 5-6 carats in price of > > Rs.1200-1500. > > > > Regards, > > Amit M. Rupani > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>wrote: > > > > > Dear Amit, > > > > > > Yes, you are right. The Muslims did a lot of harm to India. And that > > > is a shame. But my post only concerns the common sense message that if > > > we are going to use Navaratna - 9 gems talismans, then the gems being > > > small, there is no reason to use junk. The conclusion is that Hindus, > > > who believe in Navaratna, should use good quality gems, as per > > > direction of Hindu shastras, such as Sri Garuda Purana. I am just a > > > messanger. The messege or problem is to be attacked, not the > > > messenger. And the problem is to be solved. It is nothing to do with > > > me or anyone personally. > > > > > > I get some hate mail from nationalistic idiots who think they are THE > > > MATERIAL BODY. Where they just attack me and avoid the issue > > > completely. But as I learned years ago in Golden Gloves (I used to be > > > boxer) that you THROW a punch to strike, but you DUCK when someone > > > throws a punch at you. So I do not read hate mail and just delete > > > without reading. > > > > > > The conclusion is that Navaratna gems being small there is no reason > > > not to use good quality. And the solution is for Hindus to insist on > > > good quality gems from the jewelers. Where there is demand there will > > > be supply. So the solution is with the consumer. And education is > the key. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Richard > > > > > > sacred-objects > <sacred-objects%40>, > > > " Amit Rupani " <amitr1981@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone I think that its not the problem with Hindoos but > > > with Indian > > > > but since majority of Indian are Hindoos we can say that problem > is with > > > > Hindoos. Most of them are unwilling to spend vast sums of money > on these > > > > because all they have seen is Junk and never had chance to > > > see/experience > > > > real power of gems. Even the Hindoos abroad have inherited faulty > > > > genes/mentality from their ancestors in this regard. And I am pretty > > > sure > > > > that this ignorance, unawreness towards not only gems or > astrology but > > > > entire Hindu culture is due to past invasions and ruling of > Mughul and > > > > British Empire. These foreign invasions and alien rule has > destroyed the > > > > Hindu Culture. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Amit M. Rupani > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66@>wrote: > > > > > > > > > No Baba! That is not the answer. One billion people don't use > > > > > Navaratna, only a few. And I'm not right, Shastra is right. > I'm still > > > > > waiting for the answer. Y/s, R- > > > > > > > > > > --- In > sacred-objects <sacred-objects%40> > > > <sacred-objects%40>, > > > > > > > > greg <greg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > so baba is the answer 1 billion people are wrong and you are > right? > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Shaw Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In continuation of the subject I must ask WHY 99.9% of Hindus > > > who use > > > > > > > Navaratna have ALL JUNK STONES & PHONY PEARL? Even rich > Hindus use > > > > > > > junk stones and phony pearl Navaratnas... I saw a jewelery > > > store in > > > > > > > Singapore for Hindus and ALL, 100%, of the Navaratnas they had > > > were > > > > > > > awful worthless JUNK. I asked why? The reply was, " THAT IS ALL > > > THAT > > > > > > > HINDUS WANT! " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider: > > > > > > > 1) Navaratna gems are small, so why do they use worthless > junk? > > > > > > > 2) Why don't Hindus use FINE QUALITY small stone Navaratnas? > > > > > > > 3) Do Hindus understand the difference between visibly > CLEAN or > > > > > > > visibly FLAWED? Between GOOD and BAD? > > > > > > > 4) Are Hindus too cheap or miserly to spend the small > money to get > > > > > > > FINE GEM Navaratnas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ANSWER IS WAITING!??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW: The 0.01% of Hindus who actually have fine gem and > > > natural pearl > > > > > > > Navaratnas MUST HAVE GOT THEM FROM Astral Gemstone Talismans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, WHAT IS THE ANSWER? Prove me wrong! Anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > sacred-objects <sacred-objects%40> > > > <sacred-objects%40> > > > > > > > > > > > <sacred-objects%40<sacred-objects%2540> > > > <sacred-objects%2540>>, > > > > > Richard Shaw Brown > > > > > <rsbj66@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question. In India I never ONCE met any Indian wearing a > > > Navaratna > > > > > > > where the gems were good. Even though small, the gems used are > > > always > > > > > > > awful and junk. What is the reason? What is the use? Even rich > > > > > > > Indian's use total junk gems in Navaratna. WHY!?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only Indian's who ever got a GOOD navaratna must be MY > > > clients. > > > > > > > Prove me wrong!!! Y/s, Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New Email names for you! > > > > > > > > Get the Email name you & #39;ve always wanted on the new > > > @ymail and > > > > > > > @rocketmail. > > > > > > > > Hurry before someone else does! > > > > > > > > http://mail.promotions./newdomains/aa/ > > > > > > > <http://mail.promotions./newdomains/aa/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > Amit M. Rupani > > > > +91 94220 74487 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Amit M. Rupani > > +91 94220 74487 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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