Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Dear Prabhu I wonder WHY ??? the Katyani Purana (later a.k.a Katyani Tantra) has not answered the 2 Queries raised by Mr Prabhu ......Rajiv... Perhaps, the same Wall reached as I did , searching for Katyani Tantra in the Indian Orientalist Libraries (checklists)of Rawlinson (London), Maxmillian Muller (Berlin), Bibilo. Nationale (Paris)and in Library of Congress (Wash.DC). Ditto for key word Katyani Tantra, nor Katyani Purana for past 1500 years but an amassed of other Tantra Literatures in Sanskrit, Bengali, Hindi, Urdu, Telegu and Konkani etc etc, turn up in inscriptions on palmaraya leaves in scanned version, including Siddha branch of Tantric. Thanks !!! Comments welcome ! sacred-objects , Shaligram Shala <shaligram8 wrote: > > Hare Krishna Prabhu Richard ji, > Please accept my best wishes, all glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the devotees of the Lord. >  > Mahadev Richard, pl answer my one small querry about Rudrakshas, I am sure with your vast expeirience and good knowlrdge of Shartras you will be able to logically answer my question. >  > The question is hypothetically ( I am assuming), If I wear 8 Mukhi round, well developed, heavy, with clear Mukhs, energised as per the Shastras with 8 seeds inside ( tested for 8 seeds) > and if I wear 8 Mukhi again round well developed, heavy, with clear Mukhs, NOT energised as per the Shastras with 6 or 7 seeds inside (again tested for 6 or 7 seedsinside).. > Which Rudraksha will give me good results Mahadev. Sir, pl be rational, logical and think prior giving your comments. I undersatnd lots of 8 Mukhi though appear to be nicely formed but have 5 or 6 or 7 seeds inside. Notwithstanding that, which Rudraksha you would like to recommend otheres or wear your self. Pl answer this Prabhu. >  >  > My second question is > Every body believes that Rudraksha beads when evoked rightly gives very good energy and that is good for health, wealth bla bla..... > Pl confirm in your opinion which are the parts of the Rudraksha Bead are 'Energy Shrot " I mean the energy giver.. Whether it is seed inside which gives energy which is channalised through Mukhs, or whether the Mukhs are the soul source of energy  and seeds inside are immaterial ? Or in your opinion which part of the Rudraksha is the Soul Energy giver ??? >  > Pl answer these two questions I am really waiting for your reply Prabhu. >  >  > I want to further add that as per Shiva Purana, the Rudrakhas which are to be worn should be correctly abhimantrit and energised, then only they will be fruitful to the mankind. When the Rudraksha suppliers does'nt know correct energisation process( and they generate their own so called energised process), the Rudraksha bead given by them will have no use, no power and it will just be a name sake Rudraksha. So the Rudraksha once energised can only bring spiritual enlightenment, peace and Bhakti in the minds of devotees. Now if we ponder why at all energisation is required, and clearly read the text of Shiva Purana and other holy texts we will come to know that Rakshasas( Danavas) too were very ardent devotee of LORD SHIVA. Like Ravan, Bhasmasur, Indrajeet and several others who by virtue of their severe penance got the most powerful boons from Lord Shiva which has no counteraction with any body including Lord Shiva Himself. And then the puranas are > the witness that these Danavas are killed by the incarnations of Lord Vishnu and, Himself Lord Shiva and other devatas by " Chal " trick. Otherwise no force in the entire Brahmand could kill them. > So when all the Rudrakshas were given a associated diety or a planet for example Dwi Mukhi is Ardh Nareshwar, Three Mukhi is Agni Rudraksah etc. the Danavas too came ands wanted to have this mystical bead given to them as well. Now Bhole Nath was so Bhole' (innocent) that he decided to give these Rudrakshas beads to Danavas also the Rudrakshas, but then other Devatas Gans intervened because they were knowing that if the Rudrakshas were given to Danavas as well thet will create a Havoc in the Brahmand and whole mankind would be in danger. So there comes the Badrakshas which has always one seed inside and can have several Mukhs. These Badrakshas does not have natural hole. They are generally very big in size as compared to Rudrakshas. There outer surface is more rough as compared to the Rudrakshas. These were given to Danavas and Danavas were convinced that you have big body so you need big bead, these small Rudrakshas will not do good to you, the > Badrakshas were more : Katila " ( thorny) so this will have a better energy transmission in your big bodies since the size of there bead is big. The Danavas were 'Murkh " foolish and they took the Badrakshas. It is said that even the Bhadrakshas could also be evoked by ther correct energisation process, so to couter that as well the Bhadrakshas were made in such a way that they can not be evoked even by the coorect Energisation process as per the texts. > And to avoid misuse of Rudrakshas, in Kal yug, the Rudrakshas too are required to be evoked and they can be evoked only by the correct procedure which is elaborate and requires several Kriyas to be done on the Rudrakshas Beads. >  > The irony is that in Kalyug, the man has become Danav that is Rakshas and hence the Badrakshas are more suiting him. >  > Prabhu Richard, I shall wait for the answers of my two questions from you. > > I hope this will help, > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day, > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram, > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu, > Shri Swayamvyakta-Shaligram-Silas Arpanam Astu, > Thanks and Regards, > Haribol, > Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > WWW.SHALIGRAM.COM > 00 91 9322646421 > 00 91 9322646420 > 0091 22 24459616 > salagram8 > shaligram8 > Address > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate, > Narayan Pathare Marg, > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > Maharashtra (India ) > > --- On Sun, 4/1/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote: > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 > Re: substitute for Eka Mukhi > sacred-objects > Sunday, 4 January, 2009, 1:35 PM Fear Panditji, > > I was wondering about substitute for Eka Mukhi. It is said to be 12 > mukhi. But why? !+2=3 Jupiter. Why not 10 mukhi !+0=1 as substitute > for Eka mukhi? By numerology it makes more sense. Actually, according > to numerology the only ones that make sense are 1 mukhi=Sun, 2 > mukhi=Moon, and 6 mukhi=Venus. All the others seem off. Like why not 8 > (Saturn's number) mukhi for Saturn? What do you think? Y/s, Richard > > sacred-objects, " panditarjun2004 " > <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: > > > > dear richardji > > > > kindly prefix ROUND and suffix ONLY to the 1 to 14 mukhi rudraksha > > that i deal. > > > > for that matter, in the absence and unaffordability of round ek mukh > > rudraksha, i have done my own research and over experience found > > 12mukhi rudrakhsa as the best substitute or alternative to it, though > > it has no scriptural sanction and i publicly acknowledge that more > > than 90 percent of the total rudraksha that i sold till date are only > > 12 mukhis. when 13 and 14mukhi are more priced and have more > > profits, why shall i sell only 12mukhi. it is because 12mukhi is the > > only rudraksha which has scripturally allocated lord sun (planet sun) > > as its lord and astrologically we can apply that directly to lord sun. > > > > some rudraksha sellers allocate, out of convenience and easy > > mathematical application, 1 to 9 mukhis as correlated to the nine > > planets, nay, they repeat this sequential correlation from 10 to 18 > > again for the nine planets. > > > > as a seller we must do our homework well and be ready with all > > answers to all possible queries a buyer ask like whether this is > > endorsed or prohibited by an ancient scripture. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > sacred-objects, " Richard Shaw Brown " > > <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > > > It is commendable that you sell Rudraksha 1 mukhi to 14 mukhi > > > according to the Puranas. And not others. That means you are > > > specialized. Good service! Y/s, Richard > > > > > > sacred-objects, " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear richardji > > > > > > > > firslty, i never sold a gaurishankar bead since i did not find > > its > > > > mention or substantiation in puranas. if others have these > > > > references, my best wishes to them and i have nothing to say > > negative > > > > about them. but over the years, trijuti, chaturbrahma, pancha > > > > parameshwar have started making appearance and then if we apply > > > > objective type answer, we may expect shanmukha rudraksha i.e. six > > > > rudrakshas joined together representing lord shanmuga or > > kartikeya > > > > soon by these sellers. if at a future date we find seven > > rudrakshas > > > > joined together, then we may search for that god which has seven > > > > faces so on and so forth. before others demanding on me to > > comment > > > > more on these rudraksha, let them be known that i never laid my > > hands > > > > on any 2,3,4,5 or other rudrkashas joined together. > > > > > > > > secondly, for several years the typical fake ek mukh rudraksha > > sold > > > > everywhere in india was the one having a serpant, a trident, a > > > > shivling and some have even the bull or nandi. those years round > > ek > > > > mukh rudraksha was not at all available and i too failed to get > > one > > > > despite best approach to all rudraksha suppliers in nepal. later > > > > years, one famous trusted wholeseller from nepal posted few > > > > photographs of round ek mukh rudraksha in his website and it is > > since > > > > then that these NATURALLY FORMED ONE LINE round ek mukh rudraksha > > > > were being made available by most wholesellers from nepal. today > > we > > > > are seeing various round ek mukh rudraksha containg various > > symbols > > > > and designs and dieties made available by the best known > > suppliers. > > > > here too, my take is simple and that i sell only those round ek > > mukh > > > > rudraksh only on the basis of a naturally formed one single line > > from > > > > top to bottom. > > > > > > > > then we have been seeing various other rudrakshas of ganesh, nag > > and > > > > other shapes. then we are also seeing various om shaped > > rudraksha > > > > too. then we also heard about the nirakar or rudraksha with no > > lines > > > > at all i.e. zero mukh. then the entire country is already > > flooded > > > > with the crescent shaped natural as well as synthetic ekmukh > > > > rudraksha which is finding a place in almsot all houses in india. > > > > > > > > with such diverse choices of shapes, designs, symbols and all > > sorts > > > > of rudraksha available, it is the public who are the gods or > > judges > > > > to get what they want and in this vast market of rudrkshas of > > several > > > > designs, shapes, symbols, dieties and other extra portions on the > > > > rudraksha made available by all leading suppliers, i am a tiny > > fish > > > > in this rudraksha market who sell only round 1 to 14mukh > > rudrakshas > > > > that too purely on the basis of naturally formed external lines > > and > > > > hence have no knowledge as other have pointed out about any > > rudraksha > > > > other than the 1 to 14 round nepalese. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " Richard Shaw Brown " > > > > <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Did you hear about the bogus puja objects dealers? Surely > > someone > > > > must > > > > > have a 2,009 mukhi - special for THIS year. Maybe more!? Y/s, > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps i shall reiterate one more time to all members that i > > > > sell > > > > > > only one to fourteen mukh rudraksha. it is others (not me) > > who > > > > sell > > > > > > any number of mukhis rudraksha from zero to anymukh and onus > > is > > > > on > > > > > > them to substantiate them. similarly onus is on those > > nirakar > > > > bead > > > > > > sellers to show no single seed inside in their xray theories. > > > > > > > > > > > > in view of the above, please do not ask me to throw light on > > your > > > > way > > > > > > of selling seed based rudraksha like you repeatedly said that > > > > your ek > > > > > > mukhi has only one seed in it. yes, i do tell my customers > > about > > > > the > > > > > > futility of seed theory and you are at liberty to do your own > > way > > > > and > > > > > > so am i. > > > > > > > > > > > > since i never laid my hands on a rudraksha higher than > > 14mukhi it > > > > is > > > > > > for those who sell upto 28 and some even upto 32mukh to > > > > substatiate > > > > > > their seeds or validation and am least bothered. it is in > > this > > > > > > context that i commented that such suppliers are capable of > > > > selling > > > > > > even higher mukhis upto 100 mukhis. > > > > > > > > > > > > sometime ago some sellers were selling gaurishankar which is > > two > > > > > > rudrakshas joined together. later they started selling > > gauripath > > > > or > > > > > > trijuti where three rudrakshas are joined. then i commented > > that > > > > > > soon you would find chaturbrahma and panchaparameshwar and lo > > > > these > > > > > > suppliers are selling these four and five beads together. > > > > > > > > > > > > so, you shall direct your queries to those people who sell > > > > 2,3,4,5 or > > > > > > higher rudrakshas joined together or 28, 32 or even higher > > mukhi > > > > > > sellers and not me, for my service is limited only to 1 to 14. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, Shaligram Shala > > > > > > <shaligram8@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna Prabhu, > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail Prabhu. Please accept my best wishes, > > all > > > > > > glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the > > devotees > > > > of > > > > > > the Lord. > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Under no circumstances the seeds can come at the centre and > > > > > > obstract the path of natural hole. They are held with in the > > bead > > > > > > naturally. Pl exlain how you can insert the seeds and remove > > the > > > > > > seeds without breaking the Rudraksha bead. I am sure quite a > > few > > > > > > members like me would be interested in seeing this art. Also > > from > > > > > > where you have learnt this art. What about 100 mukhi > > rudraksha > > > > you > > > > > > were claiming to make ??? Your bank account details to > > deposit > > > > amount > > > > > > for natural 100 mukhi Rudraksha Prabhu??? > > > > > > > Pl reply all this querries ???? or tender a public > > appology > > > > for > > > > > > talking nonsense in this forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this will help, > > > > > > > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha > > > > > > > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and > > His > > > > > > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day, > > > > > > > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of Their > > > > > > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram, > > > > > > > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu, > > > > > > > Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > > Haribol, > > > > > > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > > > > > > > WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM > > > > > > > 00 91 9322646421 > > > > > > > 00 91 9322646420 > > > > > > > 0091 22 24459616 > > > > > > > salagram8@ > > > > > > > shaligram8@ > > > > > > > Address > > > > > > > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate, > > > > > > > Narayan Pathare Marg, > > > > > > > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > > > > > > > Maharashtra (India ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/1/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > > > > > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali Origin > > > > > > Rudrakshas > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > Friday, 2 January, 2009, 8:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your observations are valued and yes the seeds are supposed > > to > > > > be > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the locules under the cleft. however, many times i have > > > > observed in > > > > > > > 12, 13 and 14mukhi large sized beads that a couple of beads > > > > come in > > > > > > > the centre instead of tightly holding or stuck inside the > > > > locules > > > > > > as > > > > > > > you mentioned. while making gold pendants, a seed or two > > that > > > > are > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the middle and obstructing the passage come out or gently > > > > removed > > > > > > > using a needle. hence i opined that seeds can be removed > > and > > > > > > > inserted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i rest my case as i never sell rudraksha on the basis of > > seeds > > > > and > > > > > > am > > > > > > > interested only in the naturally formed mukhis or lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, chandrashekhar > > phadke > > > > > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Arjuna ji, > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I do not agree with you regarding either insertion or > > removal > > > > of > > > > > > > rudraksha seeds. It is not possible either to insert or > > > > remove > > > > > > > seeds from rudraksha, keeping the bead intact. Seeds > > can be > > > > > > removed > > > > > > > only after breaking the bead. Rudraksha seeds > > > > > > are situated in > > > > > > > locules. These locules are under the cleft or > > mukhi. > > > > One > > > > > > locule > > > > > > > for each cleft as far as Elaeocarpus angustifolius is > > > > concerned, > > > > > > i.e. > > > > > > > Nepal or Indonesian rudraksha. Only in case of oval > > > > Haridwar > > > > > > > rudraksha whether one mukhi, two mukhi or three mukhi, > > there is > > > > > > only > > > > > > > sigle locule and one seed in it. One can not insert > > seeds > > > > from > > > > > > > outside in rudraksha locules. In Nepal or Indonesian > > > > rudraksha > > > > > > not > > > > > > > all locules develop seeds especially higher mukhi > > beads. In > > > > > > higher > > > > > > > mukhi beads many times clefts or mukhi are very close to > > each > > > > > > other, > > > > > > > rarely two clefts share common wall. In such cases there > > are no > > > > > > seeds > > > > > > > in a perticular locule and locule is also very poorly > > formed > > > > like a > > > > > > > thin slit. It is > > > > > > > > very difficult to interprete rudraksha X- ray. If > > customer > > > > > > > insists to have rudraksha X-ray showing seeds equal to > > mukhi > > > > then > > > > > > he > > > > > > > has to take only three mukhi to 6 mukhi at the most 7 mukhi > > > > > > > rudraksha. I have personally noticed that even in 5 > > mukhi > > > > bead > > > > > > > sometimes seeds are not well developed and one or two > > locules > > > > are > > > > > > > slitformed and naturally empty. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Thanking you and with best wishes. > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/1/09, panditarjun2004 > > <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > > > > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali > > Origin > > > > > > > Rudrakshas > > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > > Friday, 2 January, 2009, 6:20 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear oleji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your concluding observation is true and ordained by the > > > > > > scriptures > > > > > > > > that the scriptures talk only of faces or lines on the > > outer > > > > > > > surface. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i can easily demonstrate how seeds can be removed from a > > > > > > rudraksha > > > > > > > > and also seeds can be put into a rudrakhsa. if one were > > to > > > > > > blindly > > > > > > > > count the seeds within, lo, you can find a zero seed > > nirakar > > > > > > > > rudraksha as well 100 seeds within a 14mukhi rudraksha > > and > > > > sell > > > > > > it > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > a 100mukhi just because it has 100 seeds within. here the > > > > > > customers > > > > > > > > shall care a damn for the external lines which are fewer > > in > > > > > > number > > > > > > > > and shall put weightage only on the inserted extra seeds. > > the > > > > > > > > process is made explicitly simpler since seed based > > suppliers > > > > > > find > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > SUFFICIENTLY NATURALLY FORMED LARGE HOLE in all their > > > > rudrakshas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the bottomline is simple. i sell rudraksha only on the > > basis > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > way a rudraksha to be identified as ordained by ALL > > > > scriptures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if others wish to sell on new theories of some invisible > > > > things > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > subjecting the holy gods under a radiation test, they are > > at > > > > > > > liberty > > > > > > > > to do so. the problem here is that they shall not try to > > > > paint > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > shastras in poor light and those selling rudraksha only > > based > > > > on > > > > > > > > shastra ordained identification rules as primitive and > > > > outdated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway, it is all a matter of faith that the rudraksha > > itself > > > > > > > > represent lord shiva and is treated as lord shiva and it > > is > > > > never > > > > > > > > sold as a commodity. those who treat it as a commodity > > sell > > > > it as > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > commodity with certificates, tests, et all. an image of > > god > > > > is > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > as god and is not sold as a commodity. its value lies in > > the > > > > > > faith > > > > > > > > that it is god and similarly rudraksha which are > > botanical > > > > seeds > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > bought not as vegetables that commodity sellers sell but > > > > because > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > treating them as divine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lastly, your finding comfort in using the rudraksha > > powder > > > > and > > > > > > > > rudraksha oil as holy and divine is based on the logic > > that > > > > it is > > > > > > > > extracted not from live rudraksha but from naturally > > dried, > > > > dead, > > > > > > > > bursted, broken, exposed rudraksha and or its seeds. for > > > > those > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > do treat rudraksha as a commodity, this theory sounds > > logical > > > > but > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > those who rever rudraksha as god like me, it is simply > > > > > > unimaginable > > > > > > > > for applying such dried, dead, bursted, broken forms of > > > > rudraksha > > > > > > > > crushed and beaten to produce some usable commodity as > > oil > > > > and > > > > > > > powder. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the bottomline is very simple. here are two types of > > sellers > > > > of > > > > > > > > rudraksha. one those who treat it as god. other who treat > > it > > > > as a > > > > > > > > commodity. you heard stories of how theists find god in > > > > stones > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > athiests find stones just as stones. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if members are sour at reading these two different ways > > of > > > > > > treating > > > > > > > > and selling rudraksha, i would rest my case under those > > who > > > > treat > > > > > > > > rudraksha as god and sell them as god embodiments. if > > others > > > > sell > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > as perishable commodity, they are at liberty to do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup > > > > <alstrup@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for providing the information about > > how > > > > > > > > medicine is made from naturally dried seeds of these > > > > Himalayan > > > > > > > beads, > > > > > > > > this was very comforting to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are the following available references from > > Shastra* > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > hole in Rudrakshas: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shiva Purana Chapter 25, Verse 23: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " That which has a natural hole from end to end is the > > most > > > > > > > > excellent; that which is bored through by human effort is > > the > > > > > > > > middling one. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jabalopanishad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If > > > > > > > > > rudraksha has a natural hole at the appropriate place > > then > > > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > best. > > > > > > > > > If the hold is made by force then it is medium quality > > > > > > rudraksha. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Srimad Devi Bhagavatam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chapter 7, 1-4. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those Rudraksha that have their holes by nature running > > > > through > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > through are best; and those that have have their holes > > > > pierces by > > > > > > > men > > > > > > > > are middling. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * These verses translated by KN Seetha, Power of > > Rudraksha > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > expanded Edition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > is my own limited personal experience that in some > > beads > > > > you > > > > > > have > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > use a lot of force (or patience) to carefully get the > > > > natural > > > > > > > stalk > > > > > > > > like material out from > > > > > > > > > the centre of the bead, which in some cases could > > include > > > > > > > > > drilling with a machine. You can drill with a toothpick > > or > > > > > > > needle, > > > > > > > > or a drill machine. The scriptural statement " made by > > force " > > > > is > > > > > > > > definitely a very > > > > > > > > > broad term which would allow careful drilling. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also in 2006 I was told > > > > > > > > > wholeseller/ retailer Mukunda Khatiwada of Nepa > > Rudraksha > > > > in > > > > > > > > Kathmandu > > > > > > > > > that most 4, 5 and 6 Mukhi Nepali beads have strong > > seal on > > > > the > > > > > > > > bottom which > > > > > > > > > require drill machine. Can anyone confirm this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again again, the point is that Shastra never talk about > > > > seeds > > > > > > > > ANYWHERE, they always refer to the number of mukhi lines > > to > > > > > > > determine > > > > > > > > what is the power of the bead, so this notion of equal > > > > > > seeds/mukhi > > > > > > > > lines is not supported by Shastra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Y/S, Ole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > Shaligram Shala <shaligram8@ ...> > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > > > Thursday, 1 January, 2009 5:57:52 > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Natural hole in > > Nepali > > > > Origin > > > > > > > > Rudrakshas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna Members, > > > > > > > > > Please accept my best wishes, all glories to Sri Guru > > and > > > > > > > Gauranga, > > > > > > > > all glories to all the devotees of the Lord. > > > > > > > > > I wanted to finish on to this discussion, but just new > > > > topics > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > coming and confusions are created because of ignorance > > and no > > > > > > > > knowledge on the subject. But trying to prove > > > > > > > > > some how or the other that one is right with illogical > > > > thought > > > > > > > > process. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Nepali bead Rudraksha has a internal structure such > > > > that > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > centre part inside the bead is weak and can easily be > > pierced > > > > > > thro > > > > > > > > the wire WITHOUT DRILLING. The seeds are towards the > > middle > > > > or > > > > > > > > towards the periphery on each bead and they dont come on > > the > > > > way > > > > > > > > under any circumstances while piercing the bead for > > capping > > > > thro > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > centre. > > > > > > > > > Yes if the bead is deformed then the seeds can come on > > the > > > > way. > > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > by experience any person can found out whether the bead > > is > > > > well > > > > > > > > formed or not and reject those beads which are liable to > > have > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > problem. But ofcourse all these rejected beads are sold > > at > > > > the > > > > > > > lesser > > > > > > > > price so few Suppliers are attracted to it to generate > > more > > > > > > profits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Secondly I want to ask a simple uestion from the > > members > > > > that > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > the energy Srot ( energy part) in any Rudrakshas. I mean > > > > whether > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is The SEEDS or the MUKHS ? Pl answer this question > > > > rartionally. > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > my view it is seeds and not Mukhs as Mukhs are merely the > > > > > > channels > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > take the energy given by the seeds. So the seeds have to > > > > equal > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > complete as per the Mukhs or not??? So if you are wearing > > a > > > > bead > > > > > > > > which is not tested for > > > > > > > > > same no. of seeds vis a vis Mukhs, then you will not > > get > > > > the > > > > > > > effect > > > > > > > > of that Mukhi bead. > > > > > > > > > It is amply clear that several well developed beads too > > > > have > > > > > > > lesser > > > > > > > > seeds than Mukhs. But will take that bead and assume that > > > > that is > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > 8 Mukhi when the seeds inside are 6 or 7. Do you think > > that > > > > such > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > bead will give you same effect as a bead with 8 seeds and > > 8 > > > > > > > > Mukhs ??? So pl ponder on this. In my view you should go > > for > > > > well > > > > > > > > tested beads than to believe suppliers who actually > > > > themselves > > > > > > > > does'nt know what they are giving to you, in that how > > many > > > > seeds > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > damaged due to DRILLING and making you wear injured GOD > > who > > > > will > > > > > > > > actually curse you then to bless you. So be careful and > > be > > > > > > rational. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now lastly one gentleman has assumed that normal > > Rudrakshas > > > > or > > > > > > > > their seeds are crushed to make powder or things like > > that. > > > > Does > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > really know the procedure of making powder and other > > things > > > > out > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Rudrakshas ??? or firing like a miss guided, ill informed > > > > > > > > > missile which is directionless and does't know what is > > head > > > > and > > > > > > > > tail and ultimately gets blasted with the same missile > > > > himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the knowledge of members the Rudraksha powder or > > other > > > > > > > > products are made from the natural dried up seeds. > > Normally > > > > the > > > > > > > > seeds are slightly wet inside the bead. In the interior > > of > > > > > > > HIMALAYAS > > > > > > > > there are several places which are not inhabitated by the > > > > humans > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > there also are several trees of Rudrakshas. There beads > > > > > > especially > > > > > > > > the lower Mukhs like 3 Mukjhi, 4 Mukhi and 5 Mukhi 6 > > Mukhis > > > > are > > > > > > > left > > > > > > > > there only higher mukhs are taken due to weight > > constraint. > > > > These > > > > > > > > Rudrakshas dries up naturally and their Mukhs opens up > > > > naturally > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > the dried seeds comes out. Now these seeds are collected > > for > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > the Rudrakshas products. > > > > > > > > > I want to further submit that for making Rudrakshas > > beads > > > > > > > products > > > > > > > > the wet bead can never be used, it is only naturally > > dried > > > > beads > > > > > > > > which can be used. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this clarifies the doubt which is created by > > > > > > knwledgeless > > > > > > > > suppliers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hereby again reitreate and caution Rudrakshas lovers > > that > > > > pl > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > beware of suppliers which deal in low quality beads and > > give > > > > > > > damaged > > > > > > > > beads to the devotees and sell Rs. 2000 crippled so > > called > > > > one > > > > > > > mukhi > > > > > > > > with 4 or 5 seeds inside for a Lakhs and cheat the > > devotees > > > > by > > > > > > self > > > > > > > > styled so called energisation of beads for their own > > benefit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Shanti Shanti Shanti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this will help, > > > > > > > > > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha > > > > > > > > > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord > > and > > > > His > > > > > > > > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day, > > > > > > > > > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service of > > Their > > > > > > > > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram, > > > > > > > > > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu, > > > > > > > > > Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > > > > Haribol, > > > > > > > > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > > > > > > > > > WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM > > > > > > > > > 00 91 9322646421 > > > > > > > > > 00 91 9322646420 > > > > > > > > > 0091 22 24459616 > > > > > > > > > salagram8 > > > > > > > > > shaligram8 > > > > > > > > > Address > > > > > > > > > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate, > > > > > > > > > Narayan Pathare Marg, > > > > > > > > > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > > > > > > > > > Maharashtra (India ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 31/12/08, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > > > > > > > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali > > Origin > > > > > > > > Rudrakshas > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 December, 2008, 10:02 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very few members like you wish to discuss on the > > subject > > > > > > > rudraksha > > > > > > > > > whereas few have one and only objective of criticising > > > > other > > > > > > > > > suppliers in their oneupmanship. members are all > > > > intelligent > > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > > to understand the validity of xray test and how they > > find > > > > and > > > > > > > count > > > > > > > > > 21 seeds in an xray. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all rudraksha buyers and suppliers are aware of several > > > > mukhis > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > nepalese rudraksha especially highers having their top > > > > portion > > > > > > > > > closed. all rudraksha wholesellers from nepal as well > > as > > > > these > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > people are aware of this but just to criticise me they > > are > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > bold certificates to themselves that all their > > rudraksha > > > > have > > > > > > > > natural > > > > > > > > > holes and that their rejected rudraksha are bought by > > all > > > > other > > > > > > > > > suppliers. they are conveniently forgetting that > > > > shivapurana > > > > > > > > > describes rudraksha with a hole bored through human > > effort > > > > is > > > > > > > > > recommended as middling for wearing and to get > > benefits. it > > > > is > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > bold sacrilege on part of these people to say that > > humanly > > > > > > holed > > > > > > > > > rudraksha are like damaging and putting a hole in the > > > > forehead > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > when shivapurana has mentioned and approved of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is the height of hypocricy and false > > selfglorification > > > > > > > > > certificates to themselves that they dont drill holes > > in > > > > > > > rudraksha, > > > > > > > > > because these same people are selling rudraksha powder > > and > > > > > > > > rudraksha > > > > > > > > > oil and i have seen them physically selling these > > rudraksha > > > > > > > powder > > > > > > > > > and oil in exhibitions in various cities. going by > > their > > > > latest > > > > > > > > mail > > > > > > > > > of drilling a hole in forehead and damaging the god, it > > is > > > > > > common > > > > > > > > > sense for any sane member to imagine how many > > rudrakshas > > > > these > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > have killed, crushed, grounded, pounded, beaten and > > > > extracted > > > > > > oil > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > powder from them. may be these people have double talk > > to > > > > say > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > drilling a hole is damaging and holing the god while > > > > crushing > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > killing and making it into an altogether new product > > like > > > > > > powder > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > oil is not killing the god. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, Ole Alstrup > > > > <alstrup@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bottom line here is that Shastra says you CAN drill > > > > through > > > > > > > beads > > > > > > > > > which has no natural hole, (Shiva Purana, Rudraksha > > > > > > > Jabalopanishad) > > > > > > > > > so there is no valid argument against this at all !! > > Unless > > > > > > > perhaps > > > > > > > > > you damage the bead in some gross way... About X- rays > > is > > > > more > > > > > > of > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > philosophical question. There are cosmic, natural and > > > > manmade > > > > > > > rays > > > > > > > > > everywhere. I dont suspect that xrays would harm the > > power > > > > of a > > > > > > > > bead > > > > > > > > > at all. Since shastra give no advice about checking > > beads > > > > > > > > internally > > > > > > > > > for matching number of internal seeds with lines, but > > only > > > > > > count > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > lines, I am not so concerned about this, unless one > > > > checking > > > > > > rare > > > > > > > > > beads which could be fake. However, to verify the > > THEORY > > > > that > > > > > > > > genuine > > > > > > > > > beads ALWAYS have SAME number of SEEDS inside as LINES > > > > should > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > PROVEN! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy New Year to All! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > bala_songyi <balasongyi@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 December, 2008 10:48:23 > > > > > > > > > > Re: Natural hole in Nepali > > > > Origin > > > > > > > > > Rudrakshas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sirs > > > > > > > > > > Damaged God or Goddess in Rudraksha ??? ÃÆ'Æ'â > > > > €šÃÆ'‚° > > > > > > interesting > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚° > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What about IRRADATION of the Gods in rudraksha via X- > > > > RAYS ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We do not touch or eat irradiated foods ,,,, due to > > > > damaged > > > > > > > > > > nuclearation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any comments :::::: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, Shaligram > > Shala > > > > > > > > > > <shaligram8@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail Prabhu. Please accept my best > > > > wishes, > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all > > the > > > > > > > devotees > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > the Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Nepalese origin Rudraksha beads have > > aÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â > > > > > > ‚¬Å¡ NATURAL > > > > > > > > HOLEÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > > it is 2 Mukhi round or 3 Mukhi or 4 Mukhi or 8 Mukhi > > or 9 > > > > > > Mukhi > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > 10 , 11, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19 and 21 Mukhi. Pl include > > > > > > thoseÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ > > > > > > > €š > > > > > > > > Mukhs > > > > > > > > > > also which I have missed. > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > We actually reject those Rudrakshas in which we > > suspect > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > naturally the wire would not go inside. But > > unfortunately > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > Rudraksha suppliers buy those beads only and then > > drill > > > > the > > > > > > > hole > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > them mercilessly and sell them as injured God. > > > > > > > > > > > It is just equivalent to drilling hole on your > > forehead > > > > and > > > > > > > > > feeling > > > > > > > > > > good about it and assuming that drilled out damaged > > bead > > > > will > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > to you !!! Good Theory !!! > > > > > > > > > > > Now I am able to understand how the inner seeds can > > be > > > > > > > damaged, > > > > > > > > > > very simple, once you drill the bead, naturally > > something > > > > is > > > > > > > > forced > > > > > > > > > > inside the auspicious bead and the bead gets damaged > > by > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Rudraksha > > > > > > > > > > Supplier. > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > I think this action is worse than selling so called > > Eka > > > > > > Mukhi > > > > > > > > > > crippled Rudrakshas which have 4 or 5 seeds inside > > and > > > > only > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > Mukh > > > > > > > > > > seen from the surface. > > > > > > > > > > > My self, my father and other my relatives who are > > > > dealing > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Rudrakshas since last 20 years were equally amused > > like I > > > > > > > > gotÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > amused > > > > > > > > > > reading the mail. > > > > > > > > > > > No doubtÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ââ €šÂ¬Ã…¡ his Rudrakshas > > suppliers > > > > are > > > > > > world class > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > best rejected beads in the world.... > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > I have uploded the X Ray pictures of so called Eka > > > > Mukhi > > > > > > > wioth > > > > > > > > 4 > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > 5 seeds inside on my website www.shaligram. com for > > the > > > > views > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > and decide whether they would like to wear such Eka > > Mukhi > > > > > > > > > Rudrakshas > > > > > > > > > > in their life.. I am forwarding the link for easy > > viewing: > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.shaligra m.com/rudraksha/ 1mukhi.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this will help, > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha > > > > > > > > > > > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the > > Lord > > > > and > > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > > devotees. Shubh Dinam Astu / Have a Nice Day, > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Krishna-Balaram Arpanam Astu - in the service > > of > > > > Their > > > > > > > > > > Lordships, Shri Shri Krishna & Balaram, > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Shri Radhika Raman Arpanam Astu, > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Swayamvyakta- Shaligram- Silas Arpanam Astu, > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Haribol, > > > > > > > > > > > Rajiv Krishna Dasa, > > > > > > > > > > > WWW.SHALIGRAM. COM > > > > > > > > > > > 00 91 9322646421 > > > > > > > > > > > 00 91 9322646420 > > > > > > > > > > > 0091 22 24459616 > > > > > > > > > > > salagram8@ . > > > > > > > > > > > shaligram8@ .. > > > > > > > > > > > Address > > > > > > > > > > > 105, Hammersmith Industrial Estate, > > > > > > > > > > > Narayan Pathare Marg, > > > > > > > > > > > Off Shitla Devi Temple Road, Mahim, Mumbai 400037 > > > > > > > > > > > Maharashtra (India ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 29/12/08, panditarjun2004 > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@ ....> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi-mukhi gol > > dana > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 29 December, 2008, 2:23 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for your response and to observation of all > > > > members > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > perfectly round two mukhi like 4,5 or 6 mukhi > > rudrakhsa > > > > is > > > > > > > > > rarest. > > > > > > > > > > > yes, as you rightly pointed out nepalese mildly > > pear > > > > shaped > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > mukhi > > > > > > > > > > > rudraksha too is rare. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another issue on which i request your response is > > > > whether > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > nepalese rudraksha have natural hole. shivpurana > > states > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > rudraksha which have a natural hole from one end to > > > > other > > > > > > end > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > most excellent and that those rudraksha which are > > bored > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > human > > > > > > > > > > > efforts are middling. recently some members went > > > > overboard > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > declaring or certifying as if they are the best > > judges > > > > on > > > > > > > > > rudraksha > > > > > > > > > > > that ALL NEPALESE RUDRAKSHA HAVE A NATURAL HOLE, > > nay, > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > were amused and found funny for me being a > > rudraksha > > > > seller > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > unaware of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the truth as it stands as seen by those very > > critical > > > > > > > members, > > > > > > > > > > > myself, any other human or any other machine > > remains > > > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > following: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. there is no rule that all nepalese rudraksha > > must > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > natural > > > > > > > > > > > hole. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. most two mukhi nepalese rudraksha, especially > > the > > > > small > > > > > > > > sized > > > > > > > > > > > ones, do not have a natural hole from one end to > > other > > > > end. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. most higher mukhi rudrakshas of 8 to 14 mukhi > > from > > > > nepal > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > have a natural hole from one end to another end and > > > > most > > > > > > (if > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > all) > > > > > > > > > > > of them have the top portion closed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can you kindly give your comments on the above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects@ . . com, > > > > chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > phadke > > > > > > > > > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Arjuna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ ÃÆ'¢â > > > > €šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ â > > > > > > ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > I have mentioned that the 2 mukhi Nepal > > > > > > beadÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢ > > > > > > > ‚¬ÃÆ'â €¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > of my > > > > > > > > > collection > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > pear shaped (i.e. slightly papillate in the > > peduncle > > > > > > region) > > > > > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > > > > > to the giant sized three mukhi Nepal > > > > > > bead.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â €šÂ¬ÃÆ'… > > > > > > > ¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ The > > > > > > > > 2 mukhi > > > > > > > > > Nepal > > > > > > > > > > bead > > > > > > > > > > > of my collection is not perfectly round like 4, 5 > > or 6 > > > > > > > > > mukhi.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ ÃÆ'¢â > > > > €šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ â > > > > > > ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > The 2 > > > > > > > > > > > mukhi Nepal rudraksha are generally square and > > > > > > > oblong.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'â €¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > Pear > > > > > > > > > > shaped > > > > > > > > > > > 2 mukhi beads are rarely seen. > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ ÃÆ'¢â > > > > €šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ â > > > > > > ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ ÃÆ'¢â > > > > €šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ â > > > > > > ‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 24/12/08, panditarjun2004 > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi- mukhi > > gol > > > > dana > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 24 December, 2008, 5:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear phadkeji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > till date i was not fortunate to see a perfectly > > > > round > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > mukhi > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > the regular 4, 5 or 6 mukhi. could you kindly > > upload > > > > a > > > > > > > photo > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > in the group if you have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects, > > > > chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > phadke > > > > > > > > > > > > <chphadke@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ole, > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ââ ‚¬Â 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ > > ÃÆ'Æ'¢ > > > > ÃÆ'¢â > > > > > > ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'ââ ‚¬Â¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ > > ÃÆ'¢ > > > > > > > ‚¬ÃÆ'â €¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > The round two mukhi Nepal bead which I have > > > > > > > inÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ââ ‚¬Â 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢ââ €šÂ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'â > > > > > > €¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â € 'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â > > > > €šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢ > > > > > > €š my > > > > > > > > > > collection > > > > > > > > > > > > isÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ââ ‚¬Â 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ > > ÃÆ'Æ'¢ > > > > ÃÆ'¢â > > > > > > ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'ââ ‚¬Â¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ > > ÃÆ'¢ > > > > > > > ‚¬ÃÆ'â €¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ similar to giant > > 3 > > > > > > > > mukhi Nepal rudraksha > > > > > > > > > i.e.. pear > > > > > > > > > > shaped > > > > > > > > > > > bead.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ââ ‚¬Â 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ > > ÃÆ'Æ'¢ > > > > ÃÆ'¢â > > > > > > ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'ââ ‚¬Â¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ > > > > > > > ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'â €¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > The other roundÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â € 'ÃÆ'Æ'â > > > > € 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢ > > > > > > > €šÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'â > > €¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â € 'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ > > > > ÃÆ'¢â > > > > > > €šÂ¬ÃÆ'â €¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ two > > > > > > > > mukhi Nepal bead I had > > > > > > > > > seen was > > > > > > > > > > similar to > > > > > > > > > > > > round 4 mukhi regular grade > > bead.ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'â > > > > > > € 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢ > > > > > > > €šÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'â > > €¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'â € 'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'â €¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ââ ‚¬Â 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ > > ÃÆ'Æ'¢ > > > > ÃÆ'¢â > > > > > > ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'ââ ‚¬Â¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ > > ÃÆ'¢ > > > > > > > ‚¬ÃÆ'â €¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you and with best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'ââ ‚¬Â 'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ > > ÃÆ'Æ'¢ > > > > ÃÆ'¢â > > > > > > ‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'ââ ‚¬Â¦ÃÆ'‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ > > ÃÆ'¢ > > > > > > > ‚¬ÃÆ'â €¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Phadke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 23/12/08, alstrup <alstrup@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alstrup <alstrup@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Nepali Dvi- mukhi > > gol > > > > dana > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 23 December, 2008, 2:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen a lot of 2 mukhis on photos, > > certain > > > > beads > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > appear > > > > > > > > > > > > > round from one side, besides top and bottom. > > Some > > > > beads > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > roundish than others. How round do you want it? > > I > > > > have > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > > really round beads above 12 mukhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects@ . > > > > > > com, " panditarjun2004 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <panditarjun2004@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear richardji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your observation is correct that round dvi > > mukh > > > > > > > rudraksha > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > nepal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is as rare as gol ek mukhi rudraksha from > > nepal. > > > > i > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaggerating if i say that round two mukhi > > > > rudrakhsa > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > rarer > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > round one mukhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > till date i could get only small sized > > genuine > > > > > > nepalese > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > mukh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rudraksha and am not yet fortunate to lay my > > > > hands on > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > round > > > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mukhi rudraksha from nepal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if any rudraksha sellers are having round two > > > > mukhi > > > > > > > > > rudraksha > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them, they are requested to kindly share that > > > > > > > photograph > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as i appreciate publicly that it is much > > rarer > > > > than > > > > > > > round > > > > > > > > > ek > > > > > > > > > > > > mukhi so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > much so that i failed to get such round two > > mukhi > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > past > > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! > > Go to > > > > > > > > > > > > http://messenger. / invite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Prabhu Rajiv Krishna Dasa Jaya Siyaa Raam I read your mail with a great interest. By the way where have you read this story of Badraaksh? I have never read this story anywhere. I would like to read it in detail. Please Prabu, give the reference. Thanks With regards Sushma sacred-objects , Shaligram Shala <shaligram8 wrote: > > Hare Krishna Prabhu Richard ji, > Please accept my best wishes, all glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga, all glories to all the devotees of the Lord. >  > Mahadev Richard, pl answer my one small querry about Rudrakshas, I am sure with your vast expeirience and good knowlrdge of Shartras you will be able to logically answer my question. >  > The question is hypothetically ( I am assuming), If I wear 8 Mukhi round, well developed, heavy, with clear Mukhs, energised as per the Shastras with 8 seeds inside ( tested for 8 seeds) > and if I wear 8 Mukhi again round well developed, heavy, with clear Mukhs, NOT energised as per the Shastras with 6 or 7 seeds inside (again tested for 6 or 7 seedsinside).. > Which Rudraksha will give me good results Mahadev. Sir, pl be rational, logical and think prior giving your comments. I undersatnd lots of 8 Mukhi though appear to be nicely formed but have 5 or 6 or 7 seeds inside. Notwithstanding that, which Rudraksha you would like to recommend otheres or wear your self. Pl answer this Prabhu. >  >  > My second question is > Every body believes that Rudraksha beads when evoked rightly gives very good energy and that is good for health, wealth bla bla..... > Pl confirm in your opinion which are the parts of the Rudraksha Bead are 'Energy Shrot " I mean the energy giver.. Whether it is seed inside which gives energy which is channalised through Mukhs, or whether the Mukhs are the soul source of energy  and seeds inside are immaterial ? Or in your opinion which part of the Rudraksha is the Soul Energy giver ??? >  > Pl answer these two questions I am really waiting for your reply Prabhu. >  >  > I want to further add that as per Shiva Purana, the Rudrakhas which are to be worn should be correctly abhimantrit and energised, then only they will be fruitful to the mankind. When the Rudraksha suppliers does'nt know correct energisation process( and they generate their own so called energised process), the Rudraksha bead given by them will have no use, no power and it will just be a name sake Rudraksha. So the Rudraksha once energised can only bring spiritual enlightenment, peace and Bhakti in the minds of devotees. Now if we ponder why at all energisation is required, and clearly read the text of Shiva Purana and other holy texts we will come to know that Rakshasas( Danavas) too were very ardent devotee of LORD SHIVA. Like Ravan, Bhasmasur, Indrajeet and several others who by virtue of their severe penance got the most powerful boons from Lord Shiva which has no counteraction with any body including Lord Shiva Himself. And then the puranas are > the witness that these Danavas are killed by the incarnations of Lord Vishnu and, Himself Lord Shiva and other devatas by " Chal " trick. Otherwise no force in the entire Brahmand could kill them. > So when all the Rudrakshas were given a associated diety or a planet for example Dwi Mukhi is Ardh Nareshwar, Three Mukhi is Agni Rudraksah etc. the Danavas too came ands wanted to have this mystical bead given to them as well. Now Bhole Nath was so Bhole' (innocent) that he decided to give these Rudrakshas beads to Danavas also the Rudrakshas, but then other Devatas Gans intervened because they were knowing that if the Rudrakshas were given to Danavas as well thet will create a Havoc in the Brahmand and whole mankind would be in danger. So there comes the Badrakshas which has always one seed inside and can have several Mukhs. These Badrakshas does not have natural hole. They are generally very big in size as compared to Rudrakshas. There outer surface is more rough as compared to the Rudrakshas. These were given to Danavas and Danavas were convinced that you have big body so you need big bead, these small Rudrakshas will not do good to you, the > Badrakshas were more : Katila " ( thorny) so this will have a better energy transmission in your big bodies since the size of there bead is big. The Danavas were 'Murkh " foolish and they took the Badrakshas. It is said that even the Bhadrakshas could also be evoked by ther correct energisation process, so to couter that as well the Bhadrakshas were made in such a way that they can not be evoked even by the coorect Energisation process as per the texts. > And to avoid misuse of Rudrakshas, in Kal yug, the Rudrakshas too are required to be evoked and they can be evoked only by the correct procedure which is elaborate and requires several Kriyas to be done on the Rudrakshas Beads. >  > The irony is that in Kalyug, the man has become Danav that is Rakshas and hence the Badrakshas are more suiting him. >  > Prabhu Richard, I shall wait for the answers of my two questions from you. > > I hope this will help, > Aum Namoh Bhagvate Vasudevay Saligram Dev Namaha > I beg to remain yours in the humble service of the Lord and His devotees. 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