Guest guest Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Richard Sir, a Genuine Aghoris are adepts of Surya Vigyana. b) They believe in Sampradaha not Sampradaya. c) They owe their allegiance to Lord Dattaterya, who is also known by the name Adinatha. d) Unlike the Mayavadis they regard the world to be real not illusory. An Aghori uses intoxicants, poisons, sex in order to check his level of "spiritual awareness". They burn the seed of Tamas from the most Tamsic of elements, so they able to perform karma's without passion. They consider nothing as distinct from god, so nothing is good or bad, 'Manayeva Karanam Manushyanam Bandha Mokshaha'. Common people (Bhogi's) divide creation into Ghora & Aghora to suite their tastes & sensibilties. Aghoris believe all manifested things are a creation of God, so everything has to be good/auspicious (Aghora). Thus an Aghori will consume 50 kgs of Hashish & remain unaffected, because his conciousness is not affected by the stimulation of the intoxicant. When the henchmen of the evil Rana, offered Mother Meera the bowl of poison, she considered it as a Prasad from Kanha, so the poison could not affect her. This could be an example of Aghor. To each Aghori is own, but as a Aghori Mentor put it, " genuine Aghori need not go to a Shamshan, he carries his Shamshan wherever nature places him." So Aghoris may on the surface seem to be Renegade & Many other things, but they are perfected beings who just don't believe in wasting time on the mundane. Once upon time a hundred wannable salvation seekers sought the spiritual counsel of an Aghori. To their utter amazament they found a beautiful woman atop the Aghori's crotch. All of them except one left. The Aghori wanted to shoo away the mundane, the one who remained was "made". Legend has it the one who remained was Parashurama & the Aghori was none other than Lord Dattatreya. Aghora is Aghora because it refuses to be caged by philosophy, it is non conformist yet does not belie any form of conformation!!!! Sadly you will never find a genuine Aghori, on the net. & Yes, Kali Baba was lucky too to have never come across one. Apka Mitra & not an Aghori for sure Abhishek --- On Sun, 22/2/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote: Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 What the Aghoris believe?sacred-objects Date: Sunday, 22 February, 2009, 10:32 PM Naturally I developed a distaste for Aghoris. As Kali Baba told methey were on "ullta raasta". But I'm curious what is the basis oftheir philosophy.All Hindu Sampradayas are based on Brahma Sutra and Bhagavad Gita asphilosophical basis. These establish: 1) Sambandha (relationship)2) Abheedai (method)3) Prayojan (goal)Does anyone know what the Aghoris believe?Y/s,Richardsacred-objects, Abhishek Dutta<benarsibabu@ ...> wrote:>> There are three distinct lines in Tantra,> > First; Kaula's/Kapalika/ Aghora > Second; Mishra> Third; Raja Yoga/Sri Vidya> > Each branch has very few adepts. Tantra is a like a surgical blade,so in the hands of an expert it can alleviate suffering, but in thehands of a monkey!!!!!> > Vibhutis in each of these three branches are one in a billion.Genuine Philosopher Stone's, only they can practise Tantra withoutSide Effects for the beneficiary.> > Example of a Rare Perfected Tantric Devotee; SWAMI VISHUDDHANANDAPARAMHAMSA; As the Aghori Vimalananda put it; The Real Thing!!!!> > Namaskar > > > > > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Go tohttp://in.messenger ./> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 dear friends mainly due to the mis and false projection of aghoris in the movies and in some books, laymen start to think that aghoris are bad and are a secluded sect who live only in burial grounds and live only by eating the flesh from the burning pyre. have wandered extensively in the himalayas and knowing the various nagas and aghoris in uttar pradesh and uttaranchal, let me say that aghoris are a form of lord shiva who can even grant salvation or liberation (mukti) to a person. these are no ordinary people and are highly powerful and have done strictest meditation for longer periods before starting to bless those who approach them. originally, when an aghori wanted to bless the soul that is going on and on in several wombs taking various births and deaths, the aghora becomes himself as kalabhairava or lord shiva himself and gives his blessings to the body on the burning pyre and takes little flesh from that burning pyre as an offering made to the god (prasad or bhog) and grants liberation. this is no secret and many people who knew aghoris in north india are aware of this. some amateurs and others without knowledge started venturing into eating the flesh as a mark of aghora eating style which is wrong. branding aghoras as such bad people is disrespect. gita suggests how learnt or those who wish to realise the self shall have equal respect to a brahmin, a cow or a person who eats dog flesh. let me also inform for the benefit of all that if any native approaches an aghora with a wish or a desire even if it is material, a mere positive blessing word from him will get the native what he wants. truly aghoris are powerful enough to grant any and everything including mukti which only gods can grant. members may be aware that even sages are not powerful enough to grant or boon mukti to the natives and only gods can grant mukti. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66 wrote: > > Naturally I developed a distaste for Aghoris. As Kali Baba told me > they were on " ullta raasta " . But I'm curious what is the basis of > their philosophy. > > All Hindu Sampradayas are based on Brahma Sutra and Bhagavad Gita as > philosophical basis. These establish: > 1) Sambandha (relationship) > 2) Abheedai (method) > 3) Prayojan (goal) > > Does anyone know what the Aghoris believe? > > Y/s, > Richard > > sacred-objects , Abhishek Dutta > <benarsibabu@> wrote: > > > > There are three distinct lines in Tantra, > > > > First; Kaula's/Kapalika/Aghora > > Second; Mishra > > Third; Raja Yoga/Sri Vidya > > > > Each branch has very few adepts. Tantra is a like a surgical blade, > so in the hands of an expert it can alleviate suffering, but in the > hands of a monkey!!!!! > > > > Vibhutis in each of these three branches are one in a billion. > Genuine Philosopher Stone's, only they can practise Tantra without > Side Effects for the beneficiary. > > > > Example of a Rare Perfected Tantric Devotee; SWAMI VISHUDDHANANDA > PARAMHAMSA; As the Aghori Vimalananda put it; The Real Thing!!!! > > > > Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Go to > http://in.messenger./ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 GOOD! Now anyone searching info on " Aghori " can get from this group's posts. Y/s, Richard sacred-objects , Abhishek Dutta <benarsibabu wrote: > > Richard Sir, > > a Genuine Aghoris are adepts of Surya Vigyana. > b) They believe in Sampradaha not Sampradaya. > c) They owe their allegiance to Lord Dattaterya, who is also known by the name Adinatha. > d) Unlike the Mayavadis they regard the world to be real not illusory. > > An Aghori uses intoxicants, poisons, sex in order to check his level of " spiritual awareness " . They burn the seed of Tamas from the most Tamsic of elements, so they able to perform karma's without passion. They consider nothing as distinct from god, so nothing is good or bad, 'Manayeva Karanam Manushyanam Bandha Mokshaha'. > > Common people (Bhogi's) divide creation into Ghora & Aghora to suite their tastes & sensibilties. Aghoris believe all manifested things are a creation of God, so everything has to be good/auspicious (Aghora). Thus an Aghori will consume 50 kgs of Hashish & remain unaffected, because his conciousness is not affected by the stimulation of the intoxicant. > > When the henchmen of the evil Rana, offered Mother Meera the bowl of poison, she considered it as a Prasad from Kanha, so the poison could not affect her. This could be an example of Aghor. > > To each Aghori is own, but as a Aghori Mentor put it, " genuine Aghori need not go to a Shamshan, he carries his Shamshan wherever nature places him. " So Aghoris may on the surface seem to be Renegade & Many other things, but they are perfected beings who just don't believe in wasting time on the mundane. > > Once upon time a hundred wannable salvation seekers sought the spiritual counsel of an Aghori. To their utter amazament they found a beautiful woman atop the Aghori's crotch. All of them except one left. The Aghori wanted to shoo away the mundane, the one who remained was " made " . Legend has it the one who remained was Parashurama & the Aghori was none other than Lord Dattatreya. > > Aghora is Aghora because it refuses to be caged by philosophy, it is non conformist yet does not belie any form of conformation!!!! Sadly you will never find a genuine Aghori, on the net. & Yes, Kali Baba was lucky too to have never come across one. > > Apka Mitra & not an Aghori for sure > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 22/2/09, Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote: > > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 > What the Aghoris believe? > sacred-objects > Sunday, 22 February, 2009, 10:32 PM Naturally I developed a distaste for Aghoris. As Kali Baba told me > they were on " ullta raasta " . But I'm curious what is the basis of > their philosophy. > > All Hindu Sampradayas are based on Brahma Sutra and Bhagavad Gita as > philosophical basis. These establish: > 1) Sambandha (relationship) > 2) Abheedai (method) > 3) Prayojan (goal) > > Does anyone know what the Aghoris believe? > > Y/s, > Richard > > sacred-objects, Abhishek Dutta > <benarsibabu@ ...> wrote: > > > > There are three distinct lines in Tantra, > > > > First; Kaula's/Kapalika/ Aghora > > Second; Mishra > > Third; Raja Yoga/Sri Vidya > > > > Each branch has very few adepts. Tantra is a like a surgical blade, > so in the hands of an expert it can alleviate suffering, but in the > hands of a monkey!!!!! > > > > Vibhutis in each of these three branches are one in a billion. > Genuine Philosopher Stone's, only they can practise Tantra without > Side Effects for the beneficiary. > > > > Example of a Rare Perfected Tantric Devotee; SWAMI VISHUDDHANANDA > PARAMHAMSA; As the Aghori Vimalananda put it; The Real Thing!!!! > > > > Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Go to > http://in.messenger ./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Greetings, Not much here rather than read more stuff than met aghoris but I found Dr. Svobodo's books to romanticize them to a more likeable hue. http://www.drsvoboda.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Svoboda I knew a few Naths or kan phattas but nothing that impressed me. They do have bhakti rus but not all of them. One aghori I met many years back was a Naga. Not sure if he can be accounted for an aghori since they dont wear left over clothing of dead but he was very soft spoken and civil which is rather rare for an aghori. Kularnava tantra states that success is granted by the same elements that bring about downfall and also states that if moving around naked gave siddhis all dogs and donkeys would be siddha purushas. I think it has a rich philosophy but perhaps not for every one. Either the idiots or the wisest would go for them. I believe its a good read and was documented for modern civilization by Sir Richard Woodroofe and published by Motilal Banarsidas. Hope not to have offended any one this time best, Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Anyone who can " romanticize " Aghori, they should " romanticize " Frankenstein as Brad Pitt. Late Kali Baba said they were on the WRONG PATH and were a bunch of low-life meat eaters. I believe Kali Baba over Svaboda a million-fold. Y/s, R- sacred-objects , Jay Munshi <jaymunshi wrote: > > Greetings, > > Not much here rather than read more stuff than met aghoris but I found Dr. Svobodo's books to romanticize them to a more likeable hue. > > http://www.drsvoboda.com/ > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Svoboda > > I knew a few Naths or kan phattas but nothing that impressed me. They do have bhakti rus but not all of them. One aghori I met many years back was a Naga. Not sure if he can be accounted for an aghori since they dont wear left over clothing of dead but he was very soft spoken and civil which is rather rare for an aghori. > > Kularnava tantra states that success is granted by the same elements that bring about downfall and also states that if moving around naked gave siddhis all dogs and donkeys would be siddha purushas. I think it has a rich philosophy but perhaps not for every one. Either the idiots or the wisest would go for them. > > I believe its a good read and was documented for modern civilization by Sir Richard Woodroofe and published by Motilal Banarsidas. > > Hope not to have offended any one this time > > best, > > Jay > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 respectfully Richard Ji, whilst your admiration of your guru is to be admired, kali baba's chant of " You bunch of damn meat eaters! " - in tone of disgust! really does not really show a understanding of the essence of Kina ram's aghori legacy, nor do comments on the later threads on this subject show an accurate reading of Vimalanda's and Dr Svoboda's modern response. Kina ram's legacy was that of a great reformer and supporter of underprivileged rights and was also pivotal in establishing shakti worship as a foil to the established male dominated brahmin ideology of those times. Aghora is somewhat like the new incarnation of tantra - modern society dwells on the spicier details but these obscure ritualistic practices should only be used by those who suffer from a need to exorcise their minds in order to free them from a unhealthy mental disposition . As for Dr Svorboda not only is he ( like yourself ) a natural entertainer who has brought Vimalananda.'s great legacy to print (for the benefit of the world ) but as well he is a compassionate being who has given a great deal of his life on this earth to assisting less fortunate ones through his lecturing and translating of Ayurveda Greg Baba Kinaram has said * " Pujya Devta Chhorle bhut. 0' when you adore something, worship' something, that becomes your God,gives you pleasure and that pleasure imparet you peace, removes your all difficulties. " * " Only in view of time and space, one should decide between truth and untruth. " * " " Perform Bhairve Chakra.. People of smaller castes are getting themselves converted to other religion because of negligence suffered at the hands of upper caste Hindus. " * Life is not for living, it is also not for dying. Life is granted for knowing; body dies but the soul remains immortal. Sanyas - Viragya (renunciation) is the subject matter of body, not of soul. * Ladies! This human body is full of excreta, hence it is of no use for saints. * Saints have prohibited the use of wine. Even spiritual texts and saints have condemnes its use. Wine should be consumed like medicine not like food. * Neither am I Brahmin nor Kshatriya nor Vaishya. I am just embodiment of pious soul resembling lighted sun; possessing equal vision for all I see Brahmaashraya in Varnashram. * Be introvert and listen to inexhaustible mantras which are echoing in the alley of ltus - shaped object of mind. * Don't worry. I shall always be present in microscopic form at Krim-Kund in the vicinity if Mata Hingalaj's Yantra and Akhand-dhuni (ever-burning pious fire) emanating from logs of pyre. Shake off sorrow and look forward to me with faith and conviction. Dear disciples! Followers! If you invoke my name in the event of any sort of physical as well as mental trouble, you wil find me standing by your side. Har Har Mahavdev Ref : AGHORESHWAR : Preachings Behaviour & Defination of Aghor , Dedicated to Pujya Shri Sidhartha Gautam Ram ji: Collection by Anjani Kumar Jha Patna. sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66 wrote: > > Anyone who can " romanticize " Aghori, they should " romanticize " > Frankenstein as Brad Pitt. Late Kali Baba said they were on the WRONG > PATH and were a bunch of low-life meat eaters. I believe Kali Baba > over Svaboda a million-fold. Y/s, R- > > > sacred-objects , Jay Munshi <jaymunshi@> wrote: > > > > Greetings, > > > > Not much here rather than read more stuff than met aghoris but I > found Dr. Svobodo's books to romanticize them to a more likeable hue. > > > > http://www.drsvoboda.com/ > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Svoboda > > > > I knew a few Naths or kan phattas but nothing that impressed me. > They do have bhakti rus but not all of them. One aghori I met many > years back was a Naga. Not sure if he can be accounted for an aghori > since they dont wear left over clothing of dead but he was very soft > spoken and civil which is rather rare for an aghori. > > > > Kularnava tantra states that success is granted by the same elements > that bring about downfall and also states that if moving around naked > gave siddhis all dogs and donkeys would be siddha purushas. I think it > has a rich philosophy but perhaps not for every one. Either the idiots > or the wisest would go for them. > > > > I believe its a good read and was documented for modern civilization > by Sir Richard Woodroofe and published by Motilal Banarsidas. > > > > Hope not to have offended any one this time > > > > best, > > > > Jay > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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