Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Another Pendant size Kailash Dhana Raksha Yantra from East Berlin museum, and said to be from the Personal effects of Adolf Hitler in the German Third Reich Chancellory of Hilter., at the close of WWII in early May 1945. I only saw the large wall plaque on display in that Museum in 1975, and I was un-aware of this pendant size,then. Via courtesy of O. Vladimir Nemchenko, the fotos were sent to us, who are been conducting Radio Carbon-13 assays on the metal filings of the Large Square wall plaque Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra and the metal-fillings of the pendant size Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra. The C-13 readings are of 8th Century -Christian Era (CE) with a mean reading plot at 875 CE, with mean error of + - 25 years (plus+ or minus -). All the research work and the relevant cost of US$115,000.00 were financed by O.Vladimir Nemchenko, via University of Georgia, Atlanta,GA. On June 1st 2009, A group of 54 senior Tibetan Monks were arranged from West Nepal, via Singapore to be in Moscow on June 3rd, and travel via Siberean Railroad to the Urals, to start Prayer on Ashtami of Waning Moon 16th June till July 5th Full Moon. Whatever all this means. I and my students will be there in Urals on June 29th till July 15th 09 Only thing I am suprised about is the Tibetan Buddhist Monks, consume Beef too, Yak meat, I know this in Nepal long ago. I am suprised about Beef Consuming Tibetan Buddhist Monks, which I did not observed before in Nepal and Tibet. Maybe its adaption, when Yak meat is unavailable. As Cows cant survive the thin atomspheric air of Tibetan plateau, so in the low land plains, its an adaption of dietary habits. Above all, I dont need monetary rewards, my paid service is in kind, at least 20 metric tonnes of Chlorophane, from the open cast REE mine (thats Rare Earth Element) that can be tumbled in pebbles or spheric globes, as Russian law forbids un-worked mineral exports. Best Regards sacred-objects , " ishwar33 " <ishwar33 wrote: > > Dear All, > > Please refer to following post by relics_antiques before it may get deleted, I have also reproduced the contents below. I am interested in only getting facts, nothing else. I have no interest in fake or stolen artifacts. I am not interested whether research students get thier A++ from stolen unkown artifacts. > > > http://messages./Hobbies_%26_Crafts/Collecting/threadview?m=tm & bn=14120\ 489%23doyouhavewhatheslookingfor & tid=1208 & mid=1549 & tof=8 & rt=2 & frt=2 & off=1 > > " It is unfortunate that none of you know the significance of the terma called the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra Talisman. I am a student of Dakini and Pali manuscripts at the Centre for Tibetan Studies, and have heard of some of these termas that were hidden by Guru Rinpoche. The Kailash dhanaraksha Yantra was first created by Padmasambhava. First, who was Padmasambhava? > > Known as The Lotus Born, he belonged to a monarchic Brahmin family. He is said to have transmitted Tantric Buddhism to Bhutan and Tibet in the 8th century. In Tibet he is better known as Guru Rinpoche ( " Precious Master " ) or Lopon Rinpoche, and followers of the Nyingma school regard him as the second Buddha. He is further considered an avatar of Buddha Amitabha and traditionally respected as " the second Buddha " . He is also referred to as Orgyen Guru , Padmakara and Saroruha Vajra. He was found by the Brahmin family floating in Lake Dhanakosha, in the kingdom of Uddiyana, which is actually the Swat Valley of ancient India in present-day Pakistan where today the Taliban have made a stronghold. > > In Bhutan he created the famous Paro Taktsang or " Tiger's Nest " monastery built on a sheer cliff wall about 500m above the floor of Paro valley. > > Padmasambhava also hid a number of religious treasures or termas in lakes, caves, fields and forests of the Himalayan region to be found and interpreted by future tertöns or " spiritual treasure-finders " . According to Tibetan tradition, the Bardo Thodol (commonly referred to as the Tibetan Book of the Dead) was among these hidden treasures, subsequently discovered by a Tibetan terton, Karma Lingpa. The Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra, the circular talisman terma was first found by Nyangral Nyima Oser, a terton monk at Paro Taktshang strung around a tiger's neck. It brought unaccountable wealth and prestige to the monastery and the kingdom. In Tibetan, a Tertöns is one who finds a terma. > > Padmasambhava often meditated on the slope of the Kailash mountain. Of incredible geomantic power Kailash (Sanskrit) or Kang Rinpoche (Tibetan) marks the center of the Earth for Buddhists, Hindus, Jains and Bon. To Buddhists it is the resting place of Demchok, the wrathful manifestation of Buddha Sakyamuni. To Hindus it is the dwelling place of Shiva, the destroyer and according to the Sanskrit tradition of Vishnu Purana it is a representation of Mount Meru, the cosmic mountain at the center of the universe. It is the place where the founder of Bon descended to Earth and where the founder of the Jain faith was spiritually awakened. > > Padmasambhava was of unnaturally advanced age when he led the greatest religious seers of the time to perform the great yagna on the Kailash mountain. Manuscripts related to the creation of the round brass plaque called the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra Talisman was originally written in Dakini script. Recently some manuscripts were found hidden in the roof of the Beijing Palace in the Forbidden city by restorers. It is still not understood what these Tibetan texts were doing hidden beneath the roof of a palace in China. > > References to this great yagna can also be found in Pali and other ancient languages. All declare the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra as a round brass talisman with a loop to hang it around one's neck as a locket. It has no owner and leaves a person's possession at its own free will. When it departs, it always leaves the last possessor eternally wealthy both in self-realization and material wealth. > > I would suggest to everyone to read available English translations of the Bardo Thodol, about tertöns, about terma, about Bon and about Padmasambhava himself to understand the true value and truth about this 1200 year old relic. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Bala, It seems that you are very week at working out historical dates, when you say 8th Century, it includes year (701 to 800). The year 875 CE/AD falls in 9th century and noth 8th Century. Are you fit to be a professor of humanities. You also mentioned once that it was created in 1863 BE as per the writing on plaque, may be you wanted to say that it was created in 1863 CE instead of BE and BE term is not used in historical dates. The terms used are BC (Before Christ), BCE (Before Christian Era) as jews use it. You are contradicting your own statements. Now you turned the story to square pendant Kailash talisman , both the big plaque and pendant square talisman are 19th century creations and the 1863 date is mentioned on wall plaque as per you. I can arrange a much older square pendant Kailash talisman and you can do assay of both what Hitler had and square one I give you. You can always make out from the patina and pitting which is created due aging of metal, whether it is silver or silver+ sky metal. Get your facts right Mr. Bala and go back to school. sacred-objects , " bala_songyi " <balasongyi wrote: > > Another Pendant size Kailash Dhana Raksha Yantra from East Berlin museum, and said to be from the Personal effects of Adolf Hitler in the German Third Reich Chancellory of Hilter., at the close of WWII in early May 1945. > > I only saw the large wall plaque on display in that Museum in 1975, and I was un-aware of this pendant size,then. Via courtesy of O. Vladimir Nemchenko, the fotos were sent to us, who are been conducting Radio Carbon-13 assays on the metal filings of the Large Square wall plaque Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra and the metal-fillings of the pendant size Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra. > > The C-13 readings are of 8th Century -Christian Era (CE) with a mean reading plot at 875 CE, with mean error of + - 25 years (plus+ or minus -). > > All the research work and the relevant cost of US$115,000.00 were financed by O.Vladimir Nemchenko, via University of Georgia, Atlanta,GA. > > On June 1st 2009, A group of 54 senior Tibetan Monks were arranged from West Nepal, via Singapore to be in Moscow on June 3rd, and travel via Siberean Railroad to the Urals, to start Prayer on Ashtami of Waning Moon 16th June till July 5th Full Moon. > Whatever all this means. > > I and my students will be there in Urals on June 29th till July 15th 09 > > Only thing I am suprised about is the Tibetan Buddhist Monks, consume Beef too, Yak meat, I know this in Nepal long ago. I am suprised about Beef Consuming Tibetan Buddhist Monks, which I did not observed before in Nepal and Tibet. > > Maybe its adaption, when Yak meat is unavailable. As Cows cant survive the thin atomspheric air of Tibetan plateau, so in the low land plains, its an adaption of dietary habits. > > Above all, I dont need monetary rewards, my paid service is in kind, at least 20 metric tonnes of Chlorophane, from the open cast REE mine (thats Rare Earth Element) that can be tumbled in pebbles or spheric globes, as Russian law forbids un-worked mineral exports. > > Best Regards > > > sacred-objects , " ishwar33 " <ishwar33@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > Please refer to following post by relics_antiques before it may get deleted, I have also reproduced the contents below. I am interested in only getting facts, nothing else. I have no interest in fake or stolen artifacts. I am not interested whether research students get thier A++ from stolen unkown artifacts. > > > > > > http://messages./Hobbies_%26_Crafts/Collecting/threadview?m=tm & bn=14120\ 489%23doyouhavewhatheslookingfor & tid=1208 & mid=1549 & tof=8 & rt=2 & frt=2 & off=1 > > > > " It is unfortunate that none of you know the significance of the terma called the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra Talisman. I am a student of Dakini and Pali manuscripts at the Centre for Tibetan Studies, and have heard of some of these termas that were hidden by Guru Rinpoche. The Kailash dhanaraksha Yantra was first created by Padmasambhava. First, who was Padmasambhava? > > > > Known as The Lotus Born, he belonged to a monarchic Brahmin family. He is said to have transmitted Tantric Buddhism to Bhutan and Tibet in the 8th century. In Tibet he is better known as Guru Rinpoche ( " Precious Master " ) or Lopon Rinpoche, and followers of the Nyingma school regard him as the second Buddha. He is further considered an avatar of Buddha Amitabha and traditionally respected as " the second Buddha " . He is also referred to as Orgyen Guru , Padmakara and Saroruha Vajra. He was found by the Brahmin family floating in Lake Dhanakosha, in the kingdom of Uddiyana, which is actually the Swat Valley of ancient India in present-day Pakistan where today the Taliban have made a stronghold. > > > > In Bhutan he created the famous Paro Taktsang or " Tiger's Nest " monastery built on a sheer cliff wall about 500m above the floor of Paro valley. > > > > Padmasambhava also hid a number of religious treasures or termas in lakes, caves, fields and forests of the Himalayan region to be found and interpreted by future tertöns or " spiritual treasure-finders " . According to Tibetan tradition, the Bardo Thodol (commonly referred to as the Tibetan Book of the Dead) was among these hidden treasures, subsequently discovered by a Tibetan terton, Karma Lingpa. The Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra, the circular talisman terma was first found by Nyangral Nyima Oser, a terton monk at Paro Taktshang strung around a tiger's neck. It brought unaccountable wealth and prestige to the monastery and the kingdom. In Tibetan, a Tertöns is one who finds a terma. > > > > Padmasambhava often meditated on the slope of the Kailash mountain. Of incredible geomantic power Kailash (Sanskrit) or Kang Rinpoche (Tibetan) marks the center of the Earth for Buddhists, Hindus, Jains and Bon. To Buddhists it is the resting place of Demchok, the wrathful manifestation of Buddha Sakyamuni. To Hindus it is the dwelling place of Shiva, the destroyer and according to the Sanskrit tradition of Vishnu Purana it is a representation of Mount Meru, the cosmic mountain at the center of the universe. It is the place where the founder of Bon descended to Earth and where the founder of the Jain faith was spiritually awakened. > > > > Padmasambhava was of unnaturally advanced age when he led the greatest religious seers of the time to perform the great yagna on the Kailash mountain. Manuscripts related to the creation of the round brass plaque called the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra Talisman was originally written in Dakini script. Recently some manuscripts were found hidden in the roof of the Beijing Palace in the Forbidden city by restorers. It is still not understood what these Tibetan texts were doing hidden beneath the roof of a palace in China. > > > > References to this great yagna can also be found in Pali and other ancient languages. All declare the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra as a round brass talisman with a loop to hang it around one's neck as a locket. It has no owner and leaves a person's possession at its own free will. When it departs, it always leaves the last possessor eternally wealthy both in self-realization and material wealth. > > > > I would suggest to everyone to read available English translations of the Bardo Thodol, about tertöns, about terma, about Bon and about Padmasambhava himself to understand the true value and truth about this 1200 year old relic. " > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Dear Professor, Why would Hitler first acquire the wall plaque and then also go for small one assuming that big wall plaque was KDY, was he carzy and was he hunting for actually round one and couldn't lay his hand, so he created the similar wall plaque and also purchased the smaller square version of it. The smaller version of square pendant kailash talisman was actually purchased by Vladimir Nemchenko very recently , I can prove that, if you want me to, I can give you exact source from where it was purchased. Now why did Vladimir Nemchenko purchased the smaller square version of kailash Talisman when he is supposed to be owner of so called wall plaque KDY. Vladimir Nemchenko also seems to be running around in search of actual KDY. The basic details of square pendant talisman you published are Height: 43.26 millimeter Weight : 22.6 gms Let me know if you want full details of square pendant KDY Vladirmir Nemchenko has. sacred-objects , " bala_songyi " <balasongyi wrote: > > Another Pendant size Kailash Dhana Raksha Yantra from East Berlin museum, and said to be from the Personal effects of Adolf Hitler in the German Third Reich Chancellory of Hilter., at the close of WWII in early May 1945. > > I only saw the large wall plaque on display in that Museum in 1975, and I was un-aware of this pendant size,then. Via courtesy of O. Vladimir Nemchenko, the fotos were sent to us, who are been conducting Radio Carbon-13 assays on the metal filings of the Large Square wall plaque Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra and the metal-fillings of the pendant size Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra. > > The C-13 readings are of 8th Century -Christian Era (CE) with a mean reading plot at 875 CE, with mean error of + - 25 years (plus+ or minus -). > > All the research work and the relevant cost of US$115,000.00 were financed by O.Vladimir Nemchenko, via University of Georgia, Atlanta,GA. > > On June 1st 2009, A group of 54 senior Tibetan Monks were arranged from West Nepal, via Singapore to be in Moscow on June 3rd, and travel via Siberean Railroad to the Urals, to start Prayer on Ashtami of Waning Moon 16th June till July 5th Full Moon. > Whatever all this means. > > I and my students will be there in Urals on June 29th till July 15th 09 > > Only thing I am suprised about is the Tibetan Buddhist Monks, consume Beef too, Yak meat, I know this in Nepal long ago. I am suprised about Beef Consuming Tibetan Buddhist Monks, which I did not observed before in Nepal and Tibet. > > Maybe its adaption, when Yak meat is unavailable. As Cows cant survive the thin atomspheric air of Tibetan plateau, so in the low land plains, its an adaption of dietary habits. > > Above all, I dont need monetary rewards, my paid service is in kind, at least 20 metric tonnes of Chlorophane, from the open cast REE mine (thats Rare Earth Element) that can be tumbled in pebbles or spheric globes, as Russian law forbids un-worked mineral exports. > > Best Regards > > > sacred-objects , " ishwar33 " <ishwar33@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > Please refer to following post by relics_antiques before it may get deleted, I have also reproduced the contents below. I am interested in only getting facts, nothing else. I have no interest in fake or stolen artifacts. I am not interested whether research students get thier A++ from stolen unkown artifacts. > > > > > > http://messages./Hobbies_%26_Crafts/Collecting/threadview?m=tm & bn=14120\ 489%23doyouhavewhatheslookingfor & tid=1208 & mid=1549 & tof=8 & rt=2 & frt=2 & off=1 > > > > " It is unfortunate that none of you know the significance of the terma called the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra Talisman. I am a student of Dakini and Pali manuscripts at the Centre for Tibetan Studies, and have heard of some of these termas that were hidden by Guru Rinpoche. The Kailash dhanaraksha Yantra was first created by Padmasambhava. First, who was Padmasambhava? > > > > Known as The Lotus Born, he belonged to a monarchic Brahmin family. He is said to have transmitted Tantric Buddhism to Bhutan and Tibet in the 8th century. In Tibet he is better known as Guru Rinpoche ( " Precious Master " ) or Lopon Rinpoche, and followers of the Nyingma school regard him as the second Buddha. He is further considered an avatar of Buddha Amitabha and traditionally respected as " the second Buddha " . He is also referred to as Orgyen Guru , Padmakara and Saroruha Vajra. He was found by the Brahmin family floating in Lake Dhanakosha, in the kingdom of Uddiyana, which is actually the Swat Valley of ancient India in present-day Pakistan where today the Taliban have made a stronghold. > > > > In Bhutan he created the famous Paro Taktsang or " Tiger's Nest " monastery built on a sheer cliff wall about 500m above the floor of Paro valley. > > > > Padmasambhava also hid a number of religious treasures or termas in lakes, caves, fields and forests of the Himalayan region to be found and interpreted by future tertöns or " spiritual treasure-finders " . According to Tibetan tradition, the Bardo Thodol (commonly referred to as the Tibetan Book of the Dead) was among these hidden treasures, subsequently discovered by a Tibetan terton, Karma Lingpa. The Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra, the circular talisman terma was first found by Nyangral Nyima Oser, a terton monk at Paro Taktshang strung around a tiger's neck. It brought unaccountable wealth and prestige to the monastery and the kingdom. In Tibetan, a Tertöns is one who finds a terma. > > > > Padmasambhava often meditated on the slope of the Kailash mountain. Of incredible geomantic power Kailash (Sanskrit) or Kang Rinpoche (Tibetan) marks the center of the Earth for Buddhists, Hindus, Jains and Bon. To Buddhists it is the resting place of Demchok, the wrathful manifestation of Buddha Sakyamuni. To Hindus it is the dwelling place of Shiva, the destroyer and according to the Sanskrit tradition of Vishnu Purana it is a representation of Mount Meru, the cosmic mountain at the center of the universe. It is the place where the founder of Bon descended to Earth and where the founder of the Jain faith was spiritually awakened. > > > > Padmasambhava was of unnaturally advanced age when he led the greatest religious seers of the time to perform the great yagna on the Kailash mountain. Manuscripts related to the creation of the round brass plaque called the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra Talisman was originally written in Dakini script. Recently some manuscripts were found hidden in the roof of the Beijing Palace in the Forbidden city by restorers. It is still not understood what these Tibetan texts were doing hidden beneath the roof of a palace in China. > > > > References to this great yagna can also be found in Pali and other ancient languages. All declare the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra as a round brass talisman with a loop to hang it around one's neck as a locket. It has no owner and leaves a person's possession at its own free will. When it departs, it always leaves the last possessor eternally wealthy both in self-realization and material wealth. > > > > I would suggest to everyone to read available English translations of the Bardo Thodol, about tertöns, about terma, about Bon and about Padmasambhava himself to understand the true value and truth about this 1200 year old relic. " > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Mr Ishwar Nagmani It doesn't matter how WEEK I am.. (Weak !!! LOL) I am not a prof of Hunamities !!!! LOL !! I told you something else !! You can't even remember !!!! Then how can you remember the translation given by the Humanities Dept Buddhist studies in May 12th 09., which I relay via IM Chat to you ??? As you run a software company in Bangalore, extract the IM chat log, to prove the dates. Secondly, its now public domain on the age OF Kailash Dhana Raksha Yantra via C-13...on the Square Wall Plaque Type and the Square Pendent Type of KAILASH DHANA RAKSHA TANTRA YANTRA. So you have to do the C-13 DATING too, to prove the antiquity of your Round Brass KAILASH DHANA RAKSHA YANTRA PENDENT TYPE to the date of 8th Century CE It shows you are work up, as you been trying to fraud WITH your Ware Kailash Dhana Raksha Yantra round brass pendent at US$ 1.5 million, to the unwary (as pointed out by other members of this Group) and claimed you have completed your cycle of ownership, and need to pass it on to others. But suddenly by pure coincidence and my curiosity. You felt exposed....when I came into the picture since May 9th 09, for a passing remark of June 10th 2007 .... I have no quarrell with you !!! and you can say whatever " as I have said to you or show whatever fotos as you may have... or claim you gave me the Square Wall Plaque Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra (as you have wrote below in this post) " . I still attuned to say that I have seen it only once in 1975, may be before you are born. I will again see both Yantras and the others with me will translate the writings , symbols in first week of July.09. So I reckon, this is the END to Your Fraudulent Activities of trying to pass of the KAilash Dhana Raksha Yantra. As to you comment, whether Russia has advanced Dating C-13 Tech, it shows your ignorance too as fraudster, of a nuclear super power and now a BRIC emerging economic super power. Thank you sacred-objects , " ishwar33 " <ishwar33 wrote: > > Bala, > > It seems that you are very week at working out historical dates, when you say 8th Century, it includes year (701 to 800). The year 875 CE/AD falls in 9th century and noth 8th Century. Are you fit to be a professor of humanities. You also mentioned once that it was created in 1863 BE as per the writing on plaque, may be you wanted to say that it was created in 1863 CE instead of BE and BE term is not used in historical dates. The terms used are BC (Before Christ), BCE (Before Christian Era) as jews use it. You are contradicting your own statements. > > Now you turned the story to square pendant Kailash talisman , both the big plaque and pendant square talisman are 19th century creations and the 1863 date is mentioned on wall plaque as per you. I can arrange a much older square pendant Kailash talisman and you can do assay of both what Hitler had and square one I give you. You can always make out from the patina and pitting which is created due aging of metal, whether it is silver or silver+ sky metal. Get your facts right Mr. Bala and go back to school. > > > > > > sacred-objects , " bala_songyi " <balasongyi@> wrote: > > > > Another Pendant size Kailash Dhana Raksha Yantra from East Berlin museum, and said to be from the Personal effects of Adolf Hitler in the German Third Reich Chancellory of Hilter., at the close of WWII in early May 1945. > > > > > I only saw the large wall plaque on display in that Museum in 1975, and I was un-aware of this pendant size,then. Via courtesy of O. Vladimir Nemchenko, the fotos were sent to us, who are been conducting Radio Carbon-13 assays on the metal filings of the Large Square wall plaque Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra and the metal-fillings of the pendant size Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra. > > > > The C-13 readings are of 8th Century -Christian Era (CE) with a mean reading plot at 875 CE, with mean error of + - 25 years (plus+ or minus -). > > > > All the research work and the relevant cost of US$115,000.00 were financed by O.Vladimir Nemchenko, via University of Georgia, Atlanta,GA. > > > > On June 1st 2009, A group of 54 senior Tibetan Monks were arranged from West Nepal, via Singapore to be in Moscow on June 3rd, and travel via Siberean Railroad to the Urals, to start Prayer on Ashtami of Waning Moon 16th June till July 5th Full Moon. > > Whatever all this means. > > > > I and my students will be there in Urals on June 29th till July 15th 09 > > > > Only thing I am suprised about is the Tibetan Buddhist Monks, consume Beef too, Yak meat, I know this in Nepal long ago. I am suprised about Beef Consuming Tibetan Buddhist Monks, which I did not observed before in Nepal and Tibet. > > > > Maybe its adaption, when Yak meat is unavailable. As Cows cant survive the thin atomspheric air of Tibetan plateau, so in the low land plains, its an adaption of dietary habits. > > > > Above all, I dont need monetary rewards, my paid service is in kind, at least 20 metric tonnes of Chlorophane, from the open cast REE mine (thats Rare Earth Element) that can be tumbled in pebbles or spheric globes, as Russian law forbids un-worked mineral exports. > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " ishwar33 " <ishwar33@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Please refer to following post by relics_antiques before it may get deleted, I have also reproduced the contents below. I am interested in only getting facts, nothing else. I have no interest in fake or stolen artifacts. I am not interested whether research students get thier A++ from stolen unkown artifacts. > > > > > > > > > http://messages./Hobbies_%26_Crafts/Collecting/threadview?m=tm & bn=14120\ 489%23doyouhavewhatheslookingfor & tid=1208 & mid=1549 & tof=8 & rt=2 & frt=2 & off=1 > > > > > > " It is unfortunate that none of you know the significance of the terma called the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra Talisman. I am a student of Dakini and Pali manuscripts at the Centre for Tibetan Studies, and have heard of some of these termas that were hidden by Guru Rinpoche. The Kailash dhanaraksha Yantra was first created by Padmasambhava. First, who was Padmasambhava? > > > > > > Known as The Lotus Born, he belonged to a monarchic Brahmin family. He is said to have transmitted Tantric Buddhism to Bhutan and Tibet in the 8th century. In Tibet he is better known as Guru Rinpoche ( " Precious Master " ) or Lopon Rinpoche, and followers of the Nyingma school regard him as the second Buddha. He is further considered an avatar of Buddha Amitabha and traditionally respected as " the second Buddha " . He is also referred to as Orgyen Guru , Padmakara and Saroruha Vajra. He was found by the Brahmin family floating in Lake Dhanakosha, in the kingdom of Uddiyana, which is actually the Swat Valley of ancient India in present-day Pakistan where today the Taliban have made a stronghold. > > > > > > In Bhutan he created the famous Paro Taktsang or " Tiger's Nest " monastery built on a sheer cliff wall about 500m above the floor of Paro valley. > > > > > > Padmasambhava also hid a number of religious treasures or termas in lakes, caves, fields and forests of the Himalayan region to be found and interpreted by future tertöns or " spiritual treasure-finders " . According to Tibetan tradition, the Bardo Thodol (commonly referred to as the Tibetan Book of the Dead) was among these hidden treasures, subsequently discovered by a Tibetan terton, Karma Lingpa. The Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra, the circular talisman terma was first found by Nyangral Nyima Oser, a terton monk at Paro Taktshang strung around a tiger's neck. It brought unaccountable wealth and prestige to the monastery and the kingdom. In Tibetan, a Tertöns is one who finds a terma. > > > > > > Padmasambhava often meditated on the slope of the Kailash mountain. Of incredible geomantic power Kailash (Sanskrit) or Kang Rinpoche (Tibetan) marks the center of the Earth for Buddhists, Hindus, Jains and Bon. To Buddhists it is the resting place of Demchok, the wrathful manifestation of Buddha Sakyamuni. To Hindus it is the dwelling place of Shiva, the destroyer and according to the Sanskrit tradition of Vishnu Purana it is a representation of Mount Meru, the cosmic mountain at the center of the universe. It is the place where the founder of Bon descended to Earth and where the founder of the Jain faith was spiritually awakened. > > > > > > Padmasambhava was of unnaturally advanced age when he led the greatest religious seers of the time to perform the great yagna on the Kailash mountain. Manuscripts related to the creation of the round brass plaque called the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra Talisman was originally written in Dakini script. Recently some manuscripts were found hidden in the roof of the Beijing Palace in the Forbidden city by restorers. It is still not understood what these Tibetan texts were doing hidden beneath the roof of a palace in China. > > > > > > References to this great yagna can also be found in Pali and other ancient languages. All declare the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra as a round brass talisman with a loop to hang it around one's neck as a locket. It has no owner and leaves a person's possession at its own free will. When it departs, it always leaves the last possessor eternally wealthy both in self-realization and material wealth. > > > > > > I would suggest to everyone to read available English translations of the Bardo Thodol, about tertöns, about terma, about Bon and about Padmasambhava himself to understand the true value and truth about this 1200 year old relic. " > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Thank you for misquoted diamension, that supposed to be from me Any buyer will search and all the informations in web public domain, will be revealed...... I can't be bother at all if hitler has it or not or O.Vladimir has it or not. My vested interests are not sales or possesion of Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra, but Nagmani and meteorites that are traded in-lieu for our services via the University. Good Luck to your US% 1.5 million worth of Kailash Dhana Raksha Yantra brass pendent type. Cheers sacred-objects , " ishwar33 " <ishwar33 wrote: > > Dear Professor, > > Why would Hitler first acquire the wall plaque and then also go for small one assuming that big wall plaque was KDY, was he carzy and was he hunting for actually round one and couldn't lay his hand, so he created the similar wall plaque and also purchased the smaller square version of it. > > The smaller version of square pendant kailash talisman was actually purchased by Vladimir Nemchenko very recently , I can prove that, if you want me to, I can give you exact source from where it was purchased. Now why did Vladimir Nemchenko purchased the smaller square version of kailash Talisman when he is supposed to be owner of so called wall plaque KDY. Vladimir Nemchenko also seems to be running around in search of actual KDY. > > The basic details of square pendant talisman you published are > Height: 43.26 millimeter > Weight : 22.6 gms > > > Let me know if you want full details of square pendant KDY Vladirmir Nemchenko has. > > > > > > sacred-objects , " bala_songyi " <balasongyi@> wrote: > > > > Another Pendant size Kailash Dhana Raksha Yantra from East Berlin museum, and said to be from the Personal effects of Adolf Hitler in the German Third Reich Chancellory of Hilter., at the close of WWII in early May 1945. > > > > I only saw the large wall plaque on display in that Museum in 1975, and I was un-aware of this pendant size,then. Via courtesy of O. Vladimir Nemchenko, the fotos were sent to us, who are been conducting Radio Carbon-13 assays on the metal filings of the Large Square wall plaque Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra and the metal-fillings of the pendant size Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra. > > > > The C-13 readings are of 8th Century -Christian Era (CE) with a mean reading plot at 875 CE, with mean error of + - 25 years (plus+ or minus -). > > > > All the research work and the relevant cost of US$115,000.00 were financed by O.Vladimir Nemchenko, via University of Georgia, Atlanta,GA. > > > > On June 1st 2009, A group of 54 senior Tibetan Monks were arranged from West Nepal, via Singapore to be in Moscow on June 3rd, and travel via Siberean Railroad to the Urals, to start Prayer on Ashtami of Waning Moon 16th June till July 5th Full Moon. > > Whatever all this means. > > > > I and my students will be there in Urals on June 29th till July 15th 09 > > > > Only thing I am suprised about is the Tibetan Buddhist Monks, consume Beef too, Yak meat, I know this in Nepal long ago. I am suprised about Beef Consuming Tibetan Buddhist Monks, which I did not observed before in Nepal and Tibet. > > > > Maybe its adaption, when Yak meat is unavailable. As Cows cant survive the thin atomspheric air of Tibetan plateau, so in the low land plains, its an adaption of dietary habits. > > > > Above all, I dont need monetary rewards, my paid service is in kind, at least 20 metric tonnes of Chlorophane, from the open cast REE mine (thats Rare Earth Element) that can be tumbled in pebbles or spheric globes, as Russian law forbids un-worked mineral exports. > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " ishwar33 " <ishwar33@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Please refer to following post by relics_antiques before it may get deleted, I have also reproduced the contents below. I am interested in only getting facts, nothing else. I have no interest in fake or stolen artifacts. I am not interested whether research students get thier A++ from stolen unkown artifacts. > > > > > > > > > http://messages./Hobbies_%26_Crafts/Collecting/threadview?m=tm & bn=14120\ 489%23doyouhavewhatheslookingfor & tid=1208 & mid=1549 & tof=8 & rt=2 & frt=2 & off=1 > > > > > > " It is unfortunate that none of you know the significance of the terma called the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra Talisman. I am a student of Dakini and Pali manuscripts at the Centre for Tibetan Studies, and have heard of some of these termas that were hidden by Guru Rinpoche. The Kailash dhanaraksha Yantra was first created by Padmasambhava. First, who was Padmasambhava? > > > > > > Known as The Lotus Born, he belonged to a monarchic Brahmin family. He is said to have transmitted Tantric Buddhism to Bhutan and Tibet in the 8th century. In Tibet he is better known as Guru Rinpoche ( " Precious Master " ) or Lopon Rinpoche, and followers of the Nyingma school regard him as the second Buddha. He is further considered an avatar of Buddha Amitabha and traditionally respected as " the second Buddha " . He is also referred to as Orgyen Guru , Padmakara and Saroruha Vajra. He was found by the Brahmin family floating in Lake Dhanakosha, in the kingdom of Uddiyana, which is actually the Swat Valley of ancient India in present-day Pakistan where today the Taliban have made a stronghold. > > > > > > In Bhutan he created the famous Paro Taktsang or " Tiger's Nest " monastery built on a sheer cliff wall about 500m above the floor of Paro valley. > > > > > > Padmasambhava also hid a number of religious treasures or termas in lakes, caves, fields and forests of the Himalayan region to be found and interpreted by future tertöns or " spiritual treasure-finders " . According to Tibetan tradition, the Bardo Thodol (commonly referred to as the Tibetan Book of the Dead) was among these hidden treasures, subsequently discovered by a Tibetan terton, Karma Lingpa. The Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra, the circular talisman terma was first found by Nyangral Nyima Oser, a terton monk at Paro Taktshang strung around a tiger's neck. It brought unaccountable wealth and prestige to the monastery and the kingdom. In Tibetan, a Tertöns is one who finds a terma. > > > > > > Padmasambhava often meditated on the slope of the Kailash mountain. Of incredible geomantic power Kailash (Sanskrit) or Kang Rinpoche (Tibetan) marks the center of the Earth for Buddhists, Hindus, Jains and Bon. To Buddhists it is the resting place of Demchok, the wrathful manifestation of Buddha Sakyamuni. To Hindus it is the dwelling place of Shiva, the destroyer and according to the Sanskrit tradition of Vishnu Purana it is a representation of Mount Meru, the cosmic mountain at the center of the universe. It is the place where the founder of Bon descended to Earth and where the founder of the Jain faith was spiritually awakened. > > > > > > Padmasambhava was of unnaturally advanced age when he led the greatest religious seers of the time to perform the great yagna on the Kailash mountain. Manuscripts related to the creation of the round brass plaque called the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra Talisman was originally written in Dakini script. Recently some manuscripts were found hidden in the roof of the Beijing Palace in the Forbidden city by restorers. It is still not understood what these Tibetan texts were doing hidden beneath the roof of a palace in China. > > > > > > References to this great yagna can also be found in Pali and other ancient languages. All declare the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra as a round brass talisman with a loop to hang it around one's neck as a locket. It has no owner and leaves a person's possession at its own free will. When it departs, it always leaves the last possessor eternally wealthy both in self-realization and material wealth. > > > > > > I would suggest to everyone to read available English translations of the Bardo Thodol, about tertöns, about terma, about Bon and about Padmasambhava himself to understand the true value and truth about this 1200 year old relic. " > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Dear professor, Whoever you are, you seems to be making lot of stories. Why the KDY was taken to University of Georgia, Atlanta,GA and why test it was not done in Russia and that's what I wanted to say assuming that Russia is super power. Below is an excerpt from your chat about dates. bala_songyi: the date I believe and very much assumed is written in Tibetan script at the bottom about BE 1863 bala_songyi: around 9th Century Christian Era (CE) ishwar33: ok How do you compare 9th Century with 1863 BE/AD/CE, and your assay result does not match with date specified on artifact. With story of small square pendant KDY the whole thing is clear. People have enough sense to judge. sacred-objects , " bala_songyi " <balasongyi wrote: > > Mr Ishwar Nagmani > It doesn't matter how WEEK I am.. (Weak !!! LOL) > > I am not a prof of Hunamities !!!! LOL !! I told you something else !! You can't even remember !!!! > > Then how can you remember the translation given by the Humanities Dept Buddhist studies in May 12th 09., which I relay via IM Chat to you ??? > > As you run a software company in Bangalore, extract the IM chat log, to prove the dates. > > Secondly, its now public domain on the age OF Kailash Dhana Raksha Yantra via C-13...on the Square Wall Plaque Type and the Square Pendent Type of KAILASH DHANA RAKSHA TANTRA YANTRA. > > So you have to do the C-13 DATING too, to prove the antiquity of your Round Brass KAILASH DHANA RAKSHA YANTRA PENDENT TYPE to the date of 8th Century CE > > It shows you are work up, as you been trying to fraud WITH your Ware Kailash Dhana Raksha Yantra round brass pendent at US$ 1.5 million, to the unwary (as pointed out by other members of this Group) and claimed you have completed your cycle of ownership, and need to pass it on to others. > > But suddenly by pure coincidence and my curiosity. You felt exposed....when I came into the picture since May 9th 09, for a passing remark of June 10th 2007 .... > > > I have no quarrell with you !!! and you can say whatever " as I have said to you or show whatever fotos as you may have... or claim you gave me the Square Wall Plaque Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra (as you have wrote below in this post) " . > > I still attuned to say that I have seen it only once in 1975, may be before you are born. > > I will again see both Yantras and the others with me will translate the writings , symbols in first week of July.09. > > So I reckon, this is the END to Your Fraudulent Activities of trying to pass of the KAilash Dhana Raksha Yantra. > > As to you comment, whether Russia has advanced Dating C-13 Tech, > it shows your ignorance too as fraudster, of a nuclear super power and now a BRIC emerging economic super power. > > Thank you > > > > > > sacred-objects , " ishwar33 " <ishwar33@> wrote: > > > > Bala, > > > > It seems that you are very week at working out historical dates, when you say 8th Century, it includes year (701 to 800). The year 875 CE/AD falls in 9th century and noth 8th Century. Are you fit to be a professor of humanities. You also mentioned once that it was created in 1863 BE as per the writing on plaque, may be you wanted to say that it was created in 1863 CE instead of BE and BE term is not used in historical dates. The terms used are BC (Before Christ), BCE (Before Christian Era) as jews use it. You are contradicting your own statements. > > > > Now you turned the story to square pendant Kailash talisman , both the big plaque and pendant square talisman are 19th century creations and the 1863 date is mentioned on wall plaque as per you. I can arrange a much older square pendant Kailash talisman and you can do assay of both what Hitler had and square one I give you. You can always make out from the patina and pitting which is created due aging of metal, whether it is silver or silver+ sky metal. Get your facts right Mr. Bala and go back to school. > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " bala_songyi " <balasongyi@> wrote: > > > > > > Another Pendant size Kailash Dhana Raksha Yantra from East Berlin museum, and said to be from the Personal effects of Adolf Hitler in the German Third Reich Chancellory of Hilter., at the close of WWII in early May 1945. > > > > > > > > I only saw the large wall plaque on display in that Museum in 1975, and I was un-aware of this pendant size,then. Via courtesy of O. Vladimir Nemchenko, the fotos were sent to us, who are been conducting Radio Carbon-13 assays on the metal filings of the Large Square wall plaque Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra and the metal-fillings of the pendant size Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra. > > > > > > The C-13 readings are of 8th Century -Christian Era (CE) with a mean reading plot at 875 CE, with mean error of + - 25 years (plus+ or minus -). > > > > > > All the research work and the relevant cost of US$115,000.00 were financed by O.Vladimir Nemchenko, via University of Georgia, Atlanta,GA. > > > > > > On June 1st 2009, A group of 54 senior Tibetan Monks were arranged from West Nepal, via Singapore to be in Moscow on June 3rd, and travel via Siberean Railroad to the Urals, to start Prayer on Ashtami of Waning Moon 16th June till July 5th Full Moon. > > > Whatever all this means. > > > > > > I and my students will be there in Urals on June 29th till July 15th 09 > > > > > > Only thing I am suprised about is the Tibetan Buddhist Monks, consume Beef too, Yak meat, I know this in Nepal long ago. I am suprised about Beef Consuming Tibetan Buddhist Monks, which I did not observed before in Nepal and Tibet. > > > > > > Maybe its adaption, when Yak meat is unavailable. As Cows cant survive the thin atomspheric air of Tibetan plateau, so in the low land plains, its an adaption of dietary habits. > > > > > > Above all, I dont need monetary rewards, my paid service is in kind, at least 20 metric tonnes of Chlorophane, from the open cast REE mine (thats Rare Earth Element) that can be tumbled in pebbles or spheric globes, as Russian law forbids un-worked mineral exports. > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacred-objects , " ishwar33 " <ishwar33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Please refer to following post by relics_antiques before it may get deleted, I have also reproduced the contents below. I am interested in only getting facts, nothing else. I have no interest in fake or stolen artifacts. I am not interested whether research students get thier A++ from stolen unkown artifacts. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://messages./Hobbies_%26_Crafts/Collecting/threadview?m=tm & bn=14120\ 489%23doyouhavewhatheslookingfor & tid=1208 & mid=1549 & tof=8 & rt=2 & frt=2 & off=1 > > > > > > > > " It is unfortunate that none of you know the significance of the terma called the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra Talisman. I am a student of Dakini and Pali manuscripts at the Centre for Tibetan Studies, and have heard of some of these termas that were hidden by Guru Rinpoche. The Kailash dhanaraksha Yantra was first created by Padmasambhava. First, who was Padmasambhava? > > > > > > > > Known as The Lotus Born, he belonged to a monarchic Brahmin family. He is said to have transmitted Tantric Buddhism to Bhutan and Tibet in the 8th century. In Tibet he is better known as Guru Rinpoche ( " Precious Master " ) or Lopon Rinpoche, and followers of the Nyingma school regard him as the second Buddha. He is further considered an avatar of Buddha Amitabha and traditionally respected as " the second Buddha " . He is also referred to as Orgyen Guru , Padmakara and Saroruha Vajra. He was found by the Brahmin family floating in Lake Dhanakosha, in the kingdom of Uddiyana, which is actually the Swat Valley of ancient India in present-day Pakistan where today the Taliban have made a stronghold. > > > > > > > > In Bhutan he created the famous Paro Taktsang or " Tiger's Nest " monastery built on a sheer cliff wall about 500m above the floor of Paro valley. > > > > > > > > Padmasambhava also hid a number of religious treasures or termas in lakes, caves, fields and forests of the Himalayan region to be found and interpreted by future tertöns or " spiritual treasure-finders " . According to Tibetan tradition, the Bardo Thodol (commonly referred to as the Tibetan Book of the Dead) was among these hidden treasures, subsequently discovered by a Tibetan terton, Karma Lingpa. The Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra, the circular talisman terma was first found by Nyangral Nyima Oser, a terton monk at Paro Taktshang strung around a tiger's neck. It brought unaccountable wealth and prestige to the monastery and the kingdom. In Tibetan, a Tertöns is one who finds a terma. > > > > > > > > Padmasambhava often meditated on the slope of the Kailash mountain. Of incredible geomantic power Kailash (Sanskrit) or Kang Rinpoche (Tibetan) marks the center of the Earth for Buddhists, Hindus, Jains and Bon. To Buddhists it is the resting place of Demchok, the wrathful manifestation of Buddha Sakyamuni. To Hindus it is the dwelling place of Shiva, the destroyer and according to the Sanskrit tradition of Vishnu Purana it is a representation of Mount Meru, the cosmic mountain at the center of the universe. It is the place where the founder of Bon descended to Earth and where the founder of the Jain faith was spiritually awakened. > > > > > > > > Padmasambhava was of unnaturally advanced age when he led the greatest religious seers of the time to perform the great yagna on the Kailash mountain. Manuscripts related to the creation of the round brass plaque called the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra Talisman was originally written in Dakini script. Recently some manuscripts were found hidden in the roof of the Beijing Palace in the Forbidden city by restorers. It is still not understood what these Tibetan texts were doing hidden beneath the roof of a palace in China. > > > > > > > > References to this great yagna can also be found in Pali and other ancient languages. All declare the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra as a round brass talisman with a loop to hang it around one's neck as a locket. It has no owner and leaves a person's possession at its own free will. When it departs, it always leaves the last possessor eternally wealthy both in self-realization and material wealth. > > > > > > > > I would suggest to everyone to read available English translations of the Bardo Thodol, about tertöns, about terma, about Bon and about Padmasambhava himself to understand the true value and truth about this 1200 year old relic. " > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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