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Another Pendant size Kailash Dhana Raksha Yantra from East Berlin museum, and

said to be from the Personal effects of Adolf Hitler in the German Third Reich

Chancellory of Hilter., at the close of WWII in early May 1945.

 

I only saw the large wall plaque on display in that Museum in 1975, and I was

un-aware of this pendant size,then. Via courtesy of O. Vladimir Nemchenko, the

fotos were sent to us, who are been conducting Radio Carbon-13 assays on the

metal filings of the Large Square wall plaque Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra

and the metal-fillings of the pendant size Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra.

 

The C-13 readings are of 8th Century -Christian Era (CE) with a mean reading

plot at 875 CE, with mean error of + - 25 years (plus+ or minus -).

 

All the research work and the relevant cost of US$115,000.00 were financed by

O.Vladimir Nemchenko, via University of Georgia, Atlanta,GA.

 

On June 1st 2009, A group of 54 senior Tibetan Monks were arranged from West

Nepal, via Singapore to be in Moscow on June 3rd, and travel via Siberean

Railroad to the Urals, to start Prayer on Ashtami of Waning Moon 16th June till

July 5th Full Moon.

Whatever all this means.

 

I and my students will be there in Urals on June 29th till July 15th 09

 

Only thing I am suprised about is the Tibetan Buddhist Monks, consume Beef too,

Yak meat, I know this in Nepal long ago. I am suprised about Beef Consuming

Tibetan Buddhist Monks, which I did not observed before in Nepal and Tibet.

 

Maybe its adaption, when Yak meat is unavailable. As Cows cant survive the thin

atomspheric air of Tibetan plateau, so in the low land plains, its an adaption

of dietary habits.

 

Above all, I dont need monetary rewards, my paid service is in kind, at least 20

metric tonnes of Chlorophane, from the open cast REE mine (thats Rare Earth

Element) that can be tumbled in pebbles or spheric globes, as Russian law

forbids un-worked mineral exports.

 

Best Regards

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

sacred-objects , " ishwar33 " <ishwar33 wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> Please refer to following post by relics_antiques before it may get deleted, I

have also reproduced the contents below. I am interested in only getting facts,

nothing else. I have no interest in fake or stolen artifacts. I am not

interested whether research students get thier A++ from stolen unkown artifacts.

>

>

>

http://messages./Hobbies_%26_Crafts/Collecting/threadview?m=tm & bn=14120\

489%23doyouhavewhatheslookingfor & tid=1208 & mid=1549 & tof=8 & rt=2 & frt=2 & off=1

>

> " It is unfortunate that none of you know the significance of the terma called

the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra Talisman. I am a student of Dakini and Pali

manuscripts at the Centre for Tibetan Studies, and have heard of some of these

termas that were hidden by Guru Rinpoche. The Kailash dhanaraksha Yantra was

first created by Padmasambhava. First, who was Padmasambhava?

>

> Known as The Lotus Born, he belonged to a monarchic Brahmin family. He is said

to have transmitted Tantric Buddhism to Bhutan and Tibet in the 8th century. In

Tibet he is better known as Guru Rinpoche ( " Precious Master " ) or Lopon Rinpoche,

and followers of the Nyingma school regard him as the second Buddha. He is

further considered an avatar of Buddha Amitabha and traditionally respected as

" the second Buddha " . He is also referred to as Orgyen Guru , Padmakara and

Saroruha Vajra. He was found by the Brahmin family floating in Lake Dhanakosha,

in the kingdom of Uddiyana, which is actually the Swat Valley of ancient India

in present-day Pakistan where today the Taliban have made a stronghold.

>

> In Bhutan he created the famous Paro Taktsang or " Tiger's Nest " monastery

built on a sheer cliff wall about 500m above the floor of Paro valley.

>

> Padmasambhava also hid a number of religious treasures or termas in lakes,

caves, fields and forests of the Himalayan region to be found and interpreted by

future tertöns or " spiritual treasure-finders " . According to Tibetan tradition,

the Bardo Thodol (commonly referred to as the Tibetan Book of the Dead) was

among these hidden treasures, subsequently discovered by a Tibetan terton, Karma

Lingpa. The Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra, the circular talisman terma was first

found by Nyangral Nyima Oser, a terton monk at Paro Taktshang strung around a

tiger's neck. It brought unaccountable wealth and prestige to the monastery and

the kingdom. In Tibetan, a Tertöns is one who finds a terma.

>

> Padmasambhava often meditated on the slope of the Kailash mountain. Of

incredible geomantic power Kailash (Sanskrit) or Kang Rinpoche (Tibetan) marks

the center of the Earth for Buddhists, Hindus, Jains and Bon. To Buddhists it is

the resting place of Demchok, the wrathful manifestation of Buddha Sakyamuni. To

Hindus it is the dwelling place of Shiva, the destroyer and according to the

Sanskrit tradition of Vishnu Purana it is a representation of Mount Meru, the

cosmic mountain at the center of the universe. It is the place where the founder

of Bon descended to Earth and where the founder of the Jain faith was

spiritually awakened.

>

> Padmasambhava was of unnaturally advanced age when he led the greatest

religious seers of the time to perform the great yagna on the Kailash mountain.

Manuscripts related to the creation of the round brass plaque called the Kailash

Dhanaraksha Yantra Talisman was originally written in Dakini script. Recently

some manuscripts were found hidden in the roof of the Beijing Palace in the

Forbidden city by restorers. It is still not understood what these Tibetan texts

were doing hidden beneath the roof of a palace in China.

>

> References to this great yagna can also be found in Pali and other ancient

languages. All declare the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra as a round brass talisman

with a loop to hang it around one's neck as a locket. It has no owner and leaves

a person's possession at its own free will. When it departs, it always leaves

the last possessor eternally wealthy both in self-realization and material

wealth.

>

> I would suggest to everyone to read available English translations of the

Bardo Thodol, about tertöns, about terma, about Bon and about Padmasambhava

himself to understand the true value and truth about this 1200 year old relic. "

>

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Bala,

 

It seems that you are very week at working out historical dates, when you say

8th Century, it includes year (701 to 800). The year 875 CE/AD falls in 9th

century and noth 8th Century. Are you fit to be a professor of humanities. You

also mentioned once that it was created in 1863 BE as per the writing on plaque,

may be you wanted to say that it was created in 1863 CE instead of BE and BE

term is not used in historical dates. The terms used are BC (Before Christ), BCE

(Before Christian Era) as jews use it. You are contradicting your own

statements.

 

Now you turned the story to square pendant Kailash talisman , both the big

plaque and pendant square talisman are 19th century creations and the 1863 date

is mentioned on wall plaque as per you. I can arrange a much older square

pendant Kailash talisman and you can do assay of both what Hitler had and square

one I give you. You can always make out from the patina and pitting which is

created due aging of metal, whether it is silver or silver+ sky metal. Get your

facts right Mr. Bala and go back to school.

 

 

 

 

 

sacred-objects , " bala_songyi " <balasongyi wrote:

>

> Another Pendant size Kailash Dhana Raksha Yantra from East Berlin museum, and

said to be from the Personal effects of Adolf Hitler in the German Third Reich

Chancellory of Hilter., at the close of WWII in early May 1945.

 

>

> I only saw the large wall plaque on display in that Museum in 1975, and I was

un-aware of this pendant size,then. Via courtesy of O. Vladimir Nemchenko, the

fotos were sent to us, who are been conducting Radio Carbon-13 assays on the

metal filings of the Large Square wall plaque Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra

and the metal-fillings of the pendant size Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra.

>

> The C-13 readings are of 8th Century -Christian Era (CE) with a mean reading

plot at 875 CE, with mean error of + - 25 years (plus+ or minus -).

>

> All the research work and the relevant cost of US$115,000.00 were financed by

O.Vladimir Nemchenko, via University of Georgia, Atlanta,GA.

>

> On June 1st 2009, A group of 54 senior Tibetan Monks were arranged from West

Nepal, via Singapore to be in Moscow on June 3rd, and travel via Siberean

Railroad to the Urals, to start Prayer on Ashtami of Waning Moon 16th June till

July 5th Full Moon.

> Whatever all this means.

>

> I and my students will be there in Urals on June 29th till July 15th 09

>

> Only thing I am suprised about is the Tibetan Buddhist Monks, consume Beef

too, Yak meat, I know this in Nepal long ago. I am suprised about Beef Consuming

Tibetan Buddhist Monks, which I did not observed before in Nepal and Tibet.

>

> Maybe its adaption, when Yak meat is unavailable. As Cows cant survive the

thin atomspheric air of Tibetan plateau, so in the low land plains, its an

adaption of dietary habits.

>

> Above all, I dont need monetary rewards, my paid service is in kind, at least

20 metric tonnes of Chlorophane, from the open cast REE mine (thats Rare Earth

Element) that can be tumbled in pebbles or spheric globes, as Russian law

forbids un-worked mineral exports.

>

> Best Regards

>

>

>

sacred-objects , " ishwar33 " <ishwar33@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Please refer to following post by relics_antiques before it may get deleted,

I have also reproduced the contents below. I am interested in only getting

facts, nothing else. I have no interest in fake or stolen artifacts. I am not

interested whether research students get thier A++ from stolen unkown artifacts.

> >

> >

> >

http://messages./Hobbies_%26_Crafts/Collecting/threadview?m=tm & bn=14120\

489%23doyouhavewhatheslookingfor & tid=1208 & mid=1549 & tof=8 & rt=2 & frt=2 & off=1

> >

> > " It is unfortunate that none of you know the significance of the terma

called the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra Talisman. I am a student of Dakini and

Pali manuscripts at the Centre for Tibetan Studies, and have heard of some of

these termas that were hidden by Guru Rinpoche. The Kailash dhanaraksha Yantra

was first created by Padmasambhava. First, who was Padmasambhava?

> >

> > Known as The Lotus Born, he belonged to a monarchic Brahmin family. He is

said to have transmitted Tantric Buddhism to Bhutan and Tibet in the 8th

century. In Tibet he is better known as Guru Rinpoche ( " Precious Master " ) or

Lopon Rinpoche, and followers of the Nyingma school regard him as the second

Buddha. He is further considered an avatar of Buddha Amitabha and traditionally

respected as " the second Buddha " . He is also referred to as Orgyen Guru ,

Padmakara and Saroruha Vajra. He was found by the Brahmin family floating in

Lake Dhanakosha, in the kingdom of Uddiyana, which is actually the Swat Valley

of ancient India in present-day Pakistan where today the Taliban have made a

stronghold.

> >

> > In Bhutan he created the famous Paro Taktsang or " Tiger's Nest " monastery

built on a sheer cliff wall about 500m above the floor of Paro valley.

> >

> > Padmasambhava also hid a number of religious treasures or termas in lakes,

caves, fields and forests of the Himalayan region to be found and interpreted by

future tertöns or " spiritual treasure-finders " . According to Tibetan tradition,

the Bardo Thodol (commonly referred to as the Tibetan Book of the Dead) was

among these hidden treasures, subsequently discovered by a Tibetan terton, Karma

Lingpa. The Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra, the circular talisman terma was first

found by Nyangral Nyima Oser, a terton monk at Paro Taktshang strung around a

tiger's neck. It brought unaccountable wealth and prestige to the monastery and

the kingdom. In Tibetan, a Tertöns is one who finds a terma.

> >

> > Padmasambhava often meditated on the slope of the Kailash mountain. Of

incredible geomantic power Kailash (Sanskrit) or Kang Rinpoche (Tibetan) marks

the center of the Earth for Buddhists, Hindus, Jains and Bon. To Buddhists it is

the resting place of Demchok, the wrathful manifestation of Buddha Sakyamuni. To

Hindus it is the dwelling place of Shiva, the destroyer and according to the

Sanskrit tradition of Vishnu Purana it is a representation of Mount Meru, the

cosmic mountain at the center of the universe. It is the place where the founder

of Bon descended to Earth and where the founder of the Jain faith was

spiritually awakened.

> >

> > Padmasambhava was of unnaturally advanced age when he led the greatest

religious seers of the time to perform the great yagna on the Kailash mountain.

Manuscripts related to the creation of the round brass plaque called the Kailash

Dhanaraksha Yantra Talisman was originally written in Dakini script. Recently

some manuscripts were found hidden in the roof of the Beijing Palace in the

Forbidden city by restorers. It is still not understood what these Tibetan texts

were doing hidden beneath the roof of a palace in China.

> >

> > References to this great yagna can also be found in Pali and other ancient

languages. All declare the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra as a round brass talisman

with a loop to hang it around one's neck as a locket. It has no owner and leaves

a person's possession at its own free will. When it departs, it always leaves

the last possessor eternally wealthy both in self-realization and material

wealth.

> >

> > I would suggest to everyone to read available English translations of the

Bardo Thodol, about tertöns, about terma, about Bon and about Padmasambhava

himself to understand the true value and truth about this 1200 year old relic. "

> >

>

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Dear Professor,

 

Why would Hitler first acquire the wall plaque and then also go for small one

assuming that big wall plaque was KDY, was he carzy and was he hunting for

actually round one and couldn't lay his hand, so he created the similar wall

plaque and also purchased the smaller square version of it.

 

The smaller version of square pendant kailash talisman was actually purchased by

Vladimir Nemchenko very recently , I can prove that, if you want me to, I can

give you exact source from where it was purchased. Now why did Vladimir

Nemchenko purchased the smaller square version of kailash Talisman when he is

supposed to be owner of so called wall plaque KDY. Vladimir Nemchenko also seems

to be running around in search of actual KDY.

 

The basic details of square pendant talisman you published are

Height: 43.26 millimeter

Weight : 22.6 gms

 

 

Let me know if you want full details of square pendant KDY Vladirmir Nemchenko

has.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

sacred-objects , " bala_songyi " <balasongyi wrote:

>

> Another Pendant size Kailash Dhana Raksha Yantra from East Berlin museum, and

said to be from the Personal effects of Adolf Hitler in the German Third Reich

Chancellory of Hilter., at the close of WWII in early May 1945.

>

> I only saw the large wall plaque on display in that Museum in 1975, and I was

un-aware of this pendant size,then. Via courtesy of O. Vladimir Nemchenko, the

fotos were sent to us, who are been conducting Radio Carbon-13 assays on the

metal filings of the Large Square wall plaque Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra

and the metal-fillings of the pendant size Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra.

>

> The C-13 readings are of 8th Century -Christian Era (CE) with a mean reading

plot at 875 CE, with mean error of + - 25 years (plus+ or minus -).

>

> All the research work and the relevant cost of US$115,000.00 were financed by

O.Vladimir Nemchenko, via University of Georgia, Atlanta,GA.

>

> On June 1st 2009, A group of 54 senior Tibetan Monks were arranged from West

Nepal, via Singapore to be in Moscow on June 3rd, and travel via Siberean

Railroad to the Urals, to start Prayer on Ashtami of Waning Moon 16th June till

July 5th Full Moon.

> Whatever all this means.

>

> I and my students will be there in Urals on June 29th till July 15th 09

>

> Only thing I am suprised about is the Tibetan Buddhist Monks, consume Beef

too, Yak meat, I know this in Nepal long ago. I am suprised about Beef Consuming

Tibetan Buddhist Monks, which I did not observed before in Nepal and Tibet.

>

> Maybe its adaption, when Yak meat is unavailable. As Cows cant survive the

thin atomspheric air of Tibetan plateau, so in the low land plains, its an

adaption of dietary habits.

>

> Above all, I dont need monetary rewards, my paid service is in kind, at least

20 metric tonnes of Chlorophane, from the open cast REE mine (thats Rare Earth

Element) that can be tumbled in pebbles or spheric globes, as Russian law

forbids un-worked mineral exports.

>

> Best Regards

>

>

>

sacred-objects , " ishwar33 " <ishwar33@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Please refer to following post by relics_antiques before it may get deleted,

I have also reproduced the contents below. I am interested in only getting

facts, nothing else. I have no interest in fake or stolen artifacts. I am not

interested whether research students get thier A++ from stolen unkown artifacts.

> >

> >

> >

http://messages./Hobbies_%26_Crafts/Collecting/threadview?m=tm & bn=14120\

489%23doyouhavewhatheslookingfor & tid=1208 & mid=1549 & tof=8 & rt=2 & frt=2 & off=1

> >

> > " It is unfortunate that none of you know the significance of the terma

called the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra Talisman. I am a student of Dakini and

Pali manuscripts at the Centre for Tibetan Studies, and have heard of some of

these termas that were hidden by Guru Rinpoche. The Kailash dhanaraksha Yantra

was first created by Padmasambhava. First, who was Padmasambhava?

> >

> > Known as The Lotus Born, he belonged to a monarchic Brahmin family. He is

said to have transmitted Tantric Buddhism to Bhutan and Tibet in the 8th

century. In Tibet he is better known as Guru Rinpoche ( " Precious Master " ) or

Lopon Rinpoche, and followers of the Nyingma school regard him as the second

Buddha. He is further considered an avatar of Buddha Amitabha and traditionally

respected as " the second Buddha " . He is also referred to as Orgyen Guru ,

Padmakara and Saroruha Vajra. He was found by the Brahmin family floating in

Lake Dhanakosha, in the kingdom of Uddiyana, which is actually the Swat Valley

of ancient India in present-day Pakistan where today the Taliban have made a

stronghold.

> >

> > In Bhutan he created the famous Paro Taktsang or " Tiger's Nest " monastery

built on a sheer cliff wall about 500m above the floor of Paro valley.

> >

> > Padmasambhava also hid a number of religious treasures or termas in lakes,

caves, fields and forests of the Himalayan region to be found and interpreted by

future tertöns or " spiritual treasure-finders " . According to Tibetan tradition,

the Bardo Thodol (commonly referred to as the Tibetan Book of the Dead) was

among these hidden treasures, subsequently discovered by a Tibetan terton, Karma

Lingpa. The Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra, the circular talisman terma was first

found by Nyangral Nyima Oser, a terton monk at Paro Taktshang strung around a

tiger's neck. It brought unaccountable wealth and prestige to the monastery and

the kingdom. In Tibetan, a Tertöns is one who finds a terma.

> >

> > Padmasambhava often meditated on the slope of the Kailash mountain. Of

incredible geomantic power Kailash (Sanskrit) or Kang Rinpoche (Tibetan) marks

the center of the Earth for Buddhists, Hindus, Jains and Bon. To Buddhists it is

the resting place of Demchok, the wrathful manifestation of Buddha Sakyamuni. To

Hindus it is the dwelling place of Shiva, the destroyer and according to the

Sanskrit tradition of Vishnu Purana it is a representation of Mount Meru, the

cosmic mountain at the center of the universe. It is the place where the founder

of Bon descended to Earth and where the founder of the Jain faith was

spiritually awakened.

> >

> > Padmasambhava was of unnaturally advanced age when he led the greatest

religious seers of the time to perform the great yagna on the Kailash mountain.

Manuscripts related to the creation of the round brass plaque called the Kailash

Dhanaraksha Yantra Talisman was originally written in Dakini script. Recently

some manuscripts were found hidden in the roof of the Beijing Palace in the

Forbidden city by restorers. It is still not understood what these Tibetan texts

were doing hidden beneath the roof of a palace in China.

> >

> > References to this great yagna can also be found in Pali and other ancient

languages. All declare the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra as a round brass talisman

with a loop to hang it around one's neck as a locket. It has no owner and leaves

a person's possession at its own free will. When it departs, it always leaves

the last possessor eternally wealthy both in self-realization and material

wealth.

> >

> > I would suggest to everyone to read available English translations of the

Bardo Thodol, about tertöns, about terma, about Bon and about Padmasambhava

himself to understand the true value and truth about this 1200 year old relic. "

> >

>

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Mr Ishwar Nagmani

It doesn't matter how WEEK I am.. (Weak !!! LOL)

 

I am not a prof of Hunamities !!!! LOL !! I told you something else !! You can't

even remember !!!!

 

Then how can you remember the translation given by the Humanities Dept Buddhist

studies in May 12th 09., which I relay via IM Chat to you ???

 

As you run a software company in Bangalore, extract the IM chat log, to prove

the dates.

 

Secondly, its now public domain on the age OF Kailash Dhana Raksha Yantra via

C-13...on the Square Wall Plaque Type and the Square Pendent Type of KAILASH

DHANA RAKSHA TANTRA YANTRA.

 

So you have to do the C-13 DATING too, to prove the antiquity of your Round

Brass KAILASH DHANA RAKSHA YANTRA PENDENT TYPE to the date of 8th Century CE

 

It shows you are work up, as you been trying to fraud WITH your Ware Kailash

Dhana Raksha Yantra round brass pendent at US$ 1.5 million, to the unwary (as

pointed out by other members of this Group) and claimed you have completed your

cycle of ownership, and need to pass it on to others.

 

But suddenly by pure coincidence and my curiosity. You felt exposed....when I

came into the picture since May 9th 09, for a passing remark of June 10th 2007

....

 

 

I have no quarrell with you !!! and you can say whatever " as I have said to you

or show whatever fotos as you may have... or claim you gave me the Square Wall

Plaque Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra (as you have wrote below in this

post) " .

 

I still attuned to say that I have seen it only once in 1975, may be before you

are born.

 

I will again see both Yantras and the others with me will translate the writings

, symbols in first week of July.09.

 

So I reckon, this is the END to Your Fraudulent Activities of trying to pass of

the KAilash Dhana Raksha Yantra.

 

As to you comment, whether Russia has advanced Dating C-13 Tech,

it shows your ignorance too as fraudster, of a nuclear super power and now a

BRIC emerging economic super power.

 

Thank you

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

sacred-objects , " ishwar33 " <ishwar33 wrote:

>

> Bala,

>

> It seems that you are very week at working out historical dates, when you say

8th Century, it includes year (701 to 800). The year 875 CE/AD falls in 9th

century and noth 8th Century. Are you fit to be a professor of humanities. You

also mentioned once that it was created in 1863 BE as per the writing on plaque,

may be you wanted to say that it was created in 1863 CE instead of BE and BE

term is not used in historical dates. The terms used are BC (Before Christ), BCE

(Before Christian Era) as jews use it. You are contradicting your own

statements.

>

> Now you turned the story to square pendant Kailash talisman , both the big

plaque and pendant square talisman are 19th century creations and the 1863 date

is mentioned on wall plaque as per you. I can arrange a much older square

pendant Kailash talisman and you can do assay of both what Hitler had and square

one I give you. You can always make out from the patina and pitting which is

created due aging of metal, whether it is silver or silver+ sky metal. Get your

facts right Mr. Bala and go back to school.

>

>

>

>

>

> sacred-objects , " bala_songyi " <balasongyi@> wrote:

> >

> > Another Pendant size Kailash Dhana Raksha Yantra from East Berlin museum,

and said to be from the Personal effects of Adolf Hitler in the German Third

Reich Chancellory of Hilter., at the close of WWII in early May 1945.

>

> >

> > I only saw the large wall plaque on display in that Museum in 1975, and I

was un-aware of this pendant size,then. Via courtesy of O. Vladimir Nemchenko,

the fotos were sent to us, who are been conducting Radio Carbon-13 assays on the

metal filings of the Large Square wall plaque Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra

and the metal-fillings of the pendant size Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra.

> >

> > The C-13 readings are of 8th Century -Christian Era (CE) with a mean reading

plot at 875 CE, with mean error of + - 25 years (plus+ or minus -).

> >

> > All the research work and the relevant cost of US$115,000.00 were financed

by O.Vladimir Nemchenko, via University of Georgia, Atlanta,GA.

> >

> > On June 1st 2009, A group of 54 senior Tibetan Monks were arranged from West

Nepal, via Singapore to be in Moscow on June 3rd, and travel via Siberean

Railroad to the Urals, to start Prayer on Ashtami of Waning Moon 16th June till

July 5th Full Moon.

> > Whatever all this means.

> >

> > I and my students will be there in Urals on June 29th till July 15th 09

> >

> > Only thing I am suprised about is the Tibetan Buddhist Monks, consume Beef

too, Yak meat, I know this in Nepal long ago. I am suprised about Beef Consuming

Tibetan Buddhist Monks, which I did not observed before in Nepal and Tibet.

> >

> > Maybe its adaption, when Yak meat is unavailable. As Cows cant survive the

thin atomspheric air of Tibetan plateau, so in the low land plains, its an

adaption of dietary habits.

> >

> > Above all, I dont need monetary rewards, my paid service is in kind, at

least 20 metric tonnes of Chlorophane, from the open cast REE mine (thats Rare

Earth Element) that can be tumbled in pebbles or spheric globes, as Russian law

forbids un-worked mineral exports.

> >

> > Best Regards

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > sacred-objects , " ishwar33 " <ishwar33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > Please refer to following post by relics_antiques before it may get

deleted, I have also reproduced the contents below. I am interested in only

getting facts, nothing else. I have no interest in fake or stolen artifacts. I

am not interested whether research students get thier A++ from stolen unkown

artifacts.

> > >

> > >

> > >

http://messages./Hobbies_%26_Crafts/Collecting/threadview?m=tm & bn=14120\

489%23doyouhavewhatheslookingfor & tid=1208 & mid=1549 & tof=8 & rt=2 & frt=2 & off=1

> > >

> > > " It is unfortunate that none of you know the significance of the terma

called the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra Talisman. I am a student of Dakini and

Pali manuscripts at the Centre for Tibetan Studies, and have heard of some of

these termas that were hidden by Guru Rinpoche. The Kailash dhanaraksha Yantra

was first created by Padmasambhava. First, who was Padmasambhava?

> > >

> > > Known as The Lotus Born, he belonged to a monarchic Brahmin family. He is

said to have transmitted Tantric Buddhism to Bhutan and Tibet in the 8th

century. In Tibet he is better known as Guru Rinpoche ( " Precious Master " ) or

Lopon Rinpoche, and followers of the Nyingma school regard him as the second

Buddha. He is further considered an avatar of Buddha Amitabha and traditionally

respected as " the second Buddha " . He is also referred to as Orgyen Guru ,

Padmakara and Saroruha Vajra. He was found by the Brahmin family floating in

Lake Dhanakosha, in the kingdom of Uddiyana, which is actually the Swat Valley

of ancient India in present-day Pakistan where today the Taliban have made a

stronghold.

> > >

> > > In Bhutan he created the famous Paro Taktsang or " Tiger's Nest " monastery

built on a sheer cliff wall about 500m above the floor of Paro valley.

> > >

> > > Padmasambhava also hid a number of religious treasures or termas in lakes,

caves, fields and forests of the Himalayan region to be found and interpreted by

future tertöns or " spiritual treasure-finders " . According to Tibetan tradition,

the Bardo Thodol (commonly referred to as the Tibetan Book of the Dead) was

among these hidden treasures, subsequently discovered by a Tibetan terton, Karma

Lingpa. The Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra, the circular talisman terma was first

found by Nyangral Nyima Oser, a terton monk at Paro Taktshang strung around a

tiger's neck. It brought unaccountable wealth and prestige to the monastery and

the kingdom. In Tibetan, a Tertöns is one who finds a terma.

> > >

> > > Padmasambhava often meditated on the slope of the Kailash mountain. Of

incredible geomantic power Kailash (Sanskrit) or Kang Rinpoche (Tibetan) marks

the center of the Earth for Buddhists, Hindus, Jains and Bon. To Buddhists it is

the resting place of Demchok, the wrathful manifestation of Buddha Sakyamuni. To

Hindus it is the dwelling place of Shiva, the destroyer and according to the

Sanskrit tradition of Vishnu Purana it is a representation of Mount Meru, the

cosmic mountain at the center of the universe. It is the place where the founder

of Bon descended to Earth and where the founder of the Jain faith was

spiritually awakened.

> > >

> > > Padmasambhava was of unnaturally advanced age when he led the greatest

religious seers of the time to perform the great yagna on the Kailash mountain.

Manuscripts related to the creation of the round brass plaque called the Kailash

Dhanaraksha Yantra Talisman was originally written in Dakini script. Recently

some manuscripts were found hidden in the roof of the Beijing Palace in the

Forbidden city by restorers. It is still not understood what these Tibetan texts

were doing hidden beneath the roof of a palace in China.

> > >

> > > References to this great yagna can also be found in Pali and other ancient

languages. All declare the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra as a round brass talisman

with a loop to hang it around one's neck as a locket. It has no owner and leaves

a person's possession at its own free will. When it departs, it always leaves

the last possessor eternally wealthy both in self-realization and material

wealth.

> > >

> > > I would suggest to everyone to read available English translations of the

Bardo Thodol, about tertöns, about terma, about Bon and about Padmasambhava

himself to understand the true value and truth about this 1200 year old relic. "

> > >

> >

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Thank you for misquoted diamension, that supposed to be from me

 

Any buyer will search and all the informations in web public domain, will be

revealed......

 

I can't be bother at all if hitler has it or not or O.Vladimir has it or not.

My vested interests are not sales or possesion of Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra

Yantra, but Nagmani and meteorites that are traded in-lieu for our services via

the University.

 

Good Luck to your US% 1.5 million worth of Kailash Dhana Raksha Yantra brass

pendent type.

 

Cheers

 

sacred-objects , " ishwar33 " <ishwar33 wrote:

>

> Dear Professor,

>

> Why would Hitler first acquire the wall plaque and then also go for small one

assuming that big wall plaque was KDY, was he carzy and was he hunting for

actually round one and couldn't lay his hand, so he created the similar wall

plaque and also purchased the smaller square version of it.

>

> The smaller version of square pendant kailash talisman was actually purchased

by Vladimir Nemchenko very recently , I can prove that, if you want me to, I can

give you exact source from where it was purchased. Now why did Vladimir

Nemchenko purchased the smaller square version of kailash Talisman when he is

supposed to be owner of so called wall plaque KDY. Vladimir Nemchenko also seems

to be running around in search of actual KDY.

>

> The basic details of square pendant talisman you published are

> Height: 43.26 millimeter

> Weight : 22.6 gms

>

>

> Let me know if you want full details of square pendant KDY Vladirmir Nemchenko

has.

>

>

>

>

>

>

sacred-objects , " bala_songyi " <balasongyi@> wrote:

> >

> > Another Pendant size Kailash Dhana Raksha Yantra from East Berlin museum,

and said to be from the Personal effects of Adolf Hitler in the German Third

Reich Chancellory of Hilter., at the close of WWII in early May 1945.

> >

> > I only saw the large wall plaque on display in that Museum in 1975, and I

was un-aware of this pendant size,then. Via courtesy of O. Vladimir Nemchenko,

the fotos were sent to us, who are been conducting Radio Carbon-13 assays on the

metal filings of the Large Square wall plaque Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra

and the metal-fillings of the pendant size Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra.

> >

> > The C-13 readings are of 8th Century -Christian Era (CE) with a mean reading

plot at 875 CE, with mean error of + - 25 years (plus+ or minus -).

> >

> > All the research work and the relevant cost of US$115,000.00 were financed

by O.Vladimir Nemchenko, via University of Georgia, Atlanta,GA.

> >

> > On June 1st 2009, A group of 54 senior Tibetan Monks were arranged from West

Nepal, via Singapore to be in Moscow on June 3rd, and travel via Siberean

Railroad to the Urals, to start Prayer on Ashtami of Waning Moon 16th June till

July 5th Full Moon.

> > Whatever all this means.

> >

> > I and my students will be there in Urals on June 29th till July 15th 09

> >

> > Only thing I am suprised about is the Tibetan Buddhist Monks, consume Beef

too, Yak meat, I know this in Nepal long ago. I am suprised about Beef Consuming

Tibetan Buddhist Monks, which I did not observed before in Nepal and Tibet.

> >

> > Maybe its adaption, when Yak meat is unavailable. As Cows cant survive the

thin atomspheric air of Tibetan plateau, so in the low land plains, its an

adaption of dietary habits.

> >

> > Above all, I dont need monetary rewards, my paid service is in kind, at

least 20 metric tonnes of Chlorophane, from the open cast REE mine (thats Rare

Earth Element) that can be tumbled in pebbles or spheric globes, as Russian law

forbids un-worked mineral exports.

> >

> > Best Regards

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > sacred-objects , " ishwar33 " <ishwar33@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > Please refer to following post by relics_antiques before it may get

deleted, I have also reproduced the contents below. I am interested in only

getting facts, nothing else. I have no interest in fake or stolen artifacts. I

am not interested whether research students get thier A++ from stolen unkown

artifacts.

> > >

> > >

> > >

http://messages./Hobbies_%26_Crafts/Collecting/threadview?m=tm & bn=14120\

489%23doyouhavewhatheslookingfor & tid=1208 & mid=1549 & tof=8 & rt=2 & frt=2 & off=1

> > >

> > > " It is unfortunate that none of you know the significance of the terma

called the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra Talisman. I am a student of Dakini and

Pali manuscripts at the Centre for Tibetan Studies, and have heard of some of

these termas that were hidden by Guru Rinpoche. The Kailash dhanaraksha Yantra

was first created by Padmasambhava. First, who was Padmasambhava?

> > >

> > > Known as The Lotus Born, he belonged to a monarchic Brahmin family. He is

said to have transmitted Tantric Buddhism to Bhutan and Tibet in the 8th

century. In Tibet he is better known as Guru Rinpoche ( " Precious Master " ) or

Lopon Rinpoche, and followers of the Nyingma school regard him as the second

Buddha. He is further considered an avatar of Buddha Amitabha and traditionally

respected as " the second Buddha " . He is also referred to as Orgyen Guru ,

Padmakara and Saroruha Vajra. He was found by the Brahmin family floating in

Lake Dhanakosha, in the kingdom of Uddiyana, which is actually the Swat Valley

of ancient India in present-day Pakistan where today the Taliban have made a

stronghold.

> > >

> > > In Bhutan he created the famous Paro Taktsang or " Tiger's Nest " monastery

built on a sheer cliff wall about 500m above the floor of Paro valley.

> > >

> > > Padmasambhava also hid a number of religious treasures or termas in lakes,

caves, fields and forests of the Himalayan region to be found and interpreted by

future tertöns or " spiritual treasure-finders " . According to Tibetan tradition,

the Bardo Thodol (commonly referred to as the Tibetan Book of the Dead) was

among these hidden treasures, subsequently discovered by a Tibetan terton, Karma

Lingpa. The Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra, the circular talisman terma was first

found by Nyangral Nyima Oser, a terton monk at Paro Taktshang strung around a

tiger's neck. It brought unaccountable wealth and prestige to the monastery and

the kingdom. In Tibetan, a Tertöns is one who finds a terma.

> > >

> > > Padmasambhava often meditated on the slope of the Kailash mountain. Of

incredible geomantic power Kailash (Sanskrit) or Kang Rinpoche (Tibetan) marks

the center of the Earth for Buddhists, Hindus, Jains and Bon. To Buddhists it is

the resting place of Demchok, the wrathful manifestation of Buddha Sakyamuni. To

Hindus it is the dwelling place of Shiva, the destroyer and according to the

Sanskrit tradition of Vishnu Purana it is a representation of Mount Meru, the

cosmic mountain at the center of the universe. It is the place where the founder

of Bon descended to Earth and where the founder of the Jain faith was

spiritually awakened.

> > >

> > > Padmasambhava was of unnaturally advanced age when he led the greatest

religious seers of the time to perform the great yagna on the Kailash mountain.

Manuscripts related to the creation of the round brass plaque called the Kailash

Dhanaraksha Yantra Talisman was originally written in Dakini script. Recently

some manuscripts were found hidden in the roof of the Beijing Palace in the

Forbidden city by restorers. It is still not understood what these Tibetan texts

were doing hidden beneath the roof of a palace in China.

> > >

> > > References to this great yagna can also be found in Pali and other ancient

languages. All declare the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra as a round brass talisman

with a loop to hang it around one's neck as a locket. It has no owner and leaves

a person's possession at its own free will. When it departs, it always leaves

the last possessor eternally wealthy both in self-realization and material

wealth.

> > >

> > > I would suggest to everyone to read available English translations of the

Bardo Thodol, about tertöns, about terma, about Bon and about Padmasambhava

himself to understand the true value and truth about this 1200 year old relic. "

> > >

> >

>

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Dear professor,

 

Whoever you are, you seems to be making lot of stories. Why the KDY was taken to

University of Georgia, Atlanta,GA and why test it was not done in Russia and

that's what I wanted to say assuming that Russia is super power. Below is an

excerpt from your chat about dates.

 

bala_songyi: the date I believe and very much assumed is written in Tibetan

script at the bottom about BE 1863

bala_songyi: around 9th Century Christian Era (CE)

ishwar33: ok

 

How do you compare 9th Century with 1863 BE/AD/CE, and your assay result does

not match with date specified on artifact.

 

With story of small square pendant KDY the whole thing is clear. People have

enough sense to judge.

 

 

 

 

 

sacred-objects , " bala_songyi " <balasongyi wrote:

>

> Mr Ishwar Nagmani

> It doesn't matter how WEEK I am.. (Weak !!! LOL)

>

> I am not a prof of Hunamities !!!! LOL !! I told you something else !! You

can't even remember !!!!

>

> Then how can you remember the translation given by the Humanities Dept

Buddhist studies in May 12th 09., which I relay via IM Chat to you ???

>

> As you run a software company in Bangalore, extract the IM chat log, to prove

the dates.

>

> Secondly, its now public domain on the age OF Kailash Dhana Raksha Yantra via

C-13...on the Square Wall Plaque Type and the Square Pendent Type of KAILASH

DHANA RAKSHA TANTRA YANTRA.

>

> So you have to do the C-13 DATING too, to prove the antiquity of your Round

Brass KAILASH DHANA RAKSHA YANTRA PENDENT TYPE to the date of 8th Century CE

>

> It shows you are work up, as you been trying to fraud WITH your Ware Kailash

Dhana Raksha Yantra round brass pendent at US$ 1.5 million, to the unwary (as

pointed out by other members of this Group) and claimed you have completed your

cycle of ownership, and need to pass it on to others.

>

> But suddenly by pure coincidence and my curiosity. You felt exposed....when I

came into the picture since May 9th 09, for a passing remark of June 10th 2007

....

>

>

> I have no quarrell with you !!! and you can say whatever " as I have said to

you or show whatever fotos as you may have... or claim you gave me the Square

Wall Plaque Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra (as you have wrote below in this

post) " .

>

> I still attuned to say that I have seen it only once in 1975, may be before

you are born.

>

> I will again see both Yantras and the others with me will translate the

writings , symbols in first week of July.09.

>

> So I reckon, this is the END to Your Fraudulent Activities of trying to pass

of the KAilash Dhana Raksha Yantra.

>

> As to you comment, whether Russia has advanced Dating C-13 Tech,

> it shows your ignorance too as fraudster, of a nuclear super power and now a

BRIC emerging economic super power.

>

> Thank you

>

>

>

>

>

>

sacred-objects , " ishwar33 " <ishwar33@> wrote:

> >

> > Bala,

> >

> > It seems that you are very week at working out historical dates, when you

say 8th Century, it includes year (701 to 800). The year 875 CE/AD falls in 9th

century and noth 8th Century. Are you fit to be a professor of humanities. You

also mentioned once that it was created in 1863 BE as per the writing on plaque,

may be you wanted to say that it was created in 1863 CE instead of BE and BE

term is not used in historical dates. The terms used are BC (Before Christ), BCE

(Before Christian Era) as jews use it. You are contradicting your own

statements.

> >

> > Now you turned the story to square pendant Kailash talisman , both the big

plaque and pendant square talisman are 19th century creations and the 1863 date

is mentioned on wall plaque as per you. I can arrange a much older square

pendant Kailash talisman and you can do assay of both what Hitler had and square

one I give you. You can always make out from the patina and pitting which is

created due aging of metal, whether it is silver or silver+ sky metal. Get your

facts right Mr. Bala and go back to school.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > sacred-objects , " bala_songyi " <balasongyi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Another Pendant size Kailash Dhana Raksha Yantra from East Berlin museum,

and said to be from the Personal effects of Adolf Hitler in the German Third

Reich Chancellory of Hilter., at the close of WWII in early May 1945.

> >

> > >

> > > I only saw the large wall plaque on display in that Museum in 1975, and I

was un-aware of this pendant size,then. Via courtesy of O. Vladimir Nemchenko,

the fotos were sent to us, who are been conducting Radio Carbon-13 assays on the

metal filings of the Large Square wall plaque Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra

and the metal-fillings of the pendant size Kailash Dhana Raksha Tantra Yantra.

> > >

> > > The C-13 readings are of 8th Century -Christian Era (CE) with a mean

reading plot at 875 CE, with mean error of + - 25 years (plus+ or minus -).

> > >

> > > All the research work and the relevant cost of US$115,000.00 were financed

by O.Vladimir Nemchenko, via University of Georgia, Atlanta,GA.

> > >

> > > On June 1st 2009, A group of 54 senior Tibetan Monks were arranged from

West Nepal, via Singapore to be in Moscow on June 3rd, and travel via Siberean

Railroad to the Urals, to start Prayer on Ashtami of Waning Moon 16th June till

July 5th Full Moon.

> > > Whatever all this means.

> > >

> > > I and my students will be there in Urals on June 29th till July 15th 09

> > >

> > > Only thing I am suprised about is the Tibetan Buddhist Monks, consume Beef

too, Yak meat, I know this in Nepal long ago. I am suprised about Beef Consuming

Tibetan Buddhist Monks, which I did not observed before in Nepal and Tibet.

> > >

> > > Maybe its adaption, when Yak meat is unavailable. As Cows cant survive the

thin atomspheric air of Tibetan plateau, so in the low land plains, its an

adaption of dietary habits.

> > >

> > > Above all, I dont need monetary rewards, my paid service is in kind, at

least 20 metric tonnes of Chlorophane, from the open cast REE mine (thats Rare

Earth Element) that can be tumbled in pebbles or spheric globes, as Russian law

forbids un-worked mineral exports.

> > >

> > > Best Regards

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > sacred-objects , " ishwar33 " <ishwar33@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > Please refer to following post by relics_antiques before it may get

deleted, I have also reproduced the contents below. I am interested in only

getting facts, nothing else. I have no interest in fake or stolen artifacts. I

am not interested whether research students get thier A++ from stolen unkown

artifacts.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

http://messages./Hobbies_%26_Crafts/Collecting/threadview?m=tm & bn=14120\

489%23doyouhavewhatheslookingfor & tid=1208 & mid=1549 & tof=8 & rt=2 & frt=2 & off=1

> > > >

> > > > " It is unfortunate that none of you know the significance of the terma

called the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra Talisman. I am a student of Dakini and

Pali manuscripts at the Centre for Tibetan Studies, and have heard of some of

these termas that were hidden by Guru Rinpoche. The Kailash dhanaraksha Yantra

was first created by Padmasambhava. First, who was Padmasambhava?

> > > >

> > > > Known as The Lotus Born, he belonged to a monarchic Brahmin family. He

is said to have transmitted Tantric Buddhism to Bhutan and Tibet in the 8th

century. In Tibet he is better known as Guru Rinpoche ( " Precious Master " ) or

Lopon Rinpoche, and followers of the Nyingma school regard him as the second

Buddha. He is further considered an avatar of Buddha Amitabha and traditionally

respected as " the second Buddha " . He is also referred to as Orgyen Guru ,

Padmakara and Saroruha Vajra. He was found by the Brahmin family floating in

Lake Dhanakosha, in the kingdom of Uddiyana, which is actually the Swat Valley

of ancient India in present-day Pakistan where today the Taliban have made a

stronghold.

> > > >

> > > > In Bhutan he created the famous Paro Taktsang or " Tiger's Nest "

monastery built on a sheer cliff wall about 500m above the floor of Paro valley.

> > > >

> > > > Padmasambhava also hid a number of religious treasures or termas in

lakes, caves, fields and forests of the Himalayan region to be found and

interpreted by future tertöns or " spiritual treasure-finders " . According to

Tibetan tradition, the Bardo Thodol (commonly referred to as the Tibetan Book of

the Dead) was among these hidden treasures, subsequently discovered by a Tibetan

terton, Karma Lingpa. The Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra, the circular talisman

terma was first found by Nyangral Nyima Oser, a terton monk at Paro Taktshang

strung around a tiger's neck. It brought unaccountable wealth and prestige to

the monastery and the kingdom. In Tibetan, a Tertöns is one who finds a terma.

> > > >

> > > > Padmasambhava often meditated on the slope of the Kailash mountain. Of

incredible geomantic power Kailash (Sanskrit) or Kang Rinpoche (Tibetan) marks

the center of the Earth for Buddhists, Hindus, Jains and Bon. To Buddhists it is

the resting place of Demchok, the wrathful manifestation of Buddha Sakyamuni. To

Hindus it is the dwelling place of Shiva, the destroyer and according to the

Sanskrit tradition of Vishnu Purana it is a representation of Mount Meru, the

cosmic mountain at the center of the universe. It is the place where the founder

of Bon descended to Earth and where the founder of the Jain faith was

spiritually awakened.

> > > >

> > > > Padmasambhava was of unnaturally advanced age when he led the greatest

religious seers of the time to perform the great yagna on the Kailash mountain.

Manuscripts related to the creation of the round brass plaque called the Kailash

Dhanaraksha Yantra Talisman was originally written in Dakini script. Recently

some manuscripts were found hidden in the roof of the Beijing Palace in the

Forbidden city by restorers. It is still not understood what these Tibetan texts

were doing hidden beneath the roof of a palace in China.

> > > >

> > > > References to this great yagna can also be found in Pali and other

ancient languages. All declare the Kailash Dhanaraksha Yantra as a round brass

talisman with a loop to hang it around one's neck as a locket. It has no owner

and leaves a person's possession at its own free will. When it departs, it

always leaves the last possessor eternally wealthy both in self-realization and

material wealth.

> > > >

> > > > I would suggest to everyone to read available English translations of

the Bardo Thodol, about tertöns, about terma, about Bon and about Padmasambhava

himself to understand the true value and truth about this 1200 year old relic. "

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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