Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Members,The purpose of this artilce is only to present research material which published by Prof. Hensholdt in 1890, on many websites these few pages being sold for USD 35, using the link at end of this article you can read full researched material. What is Cobra Pearl or Naga Mani Mythological: The Naga Mani is considered as one of the nine sacred pearls and most of the books on gems give the procedure how it is formed, i.e. when rain drops influenced by Swati Nakshtra fall into mouth of the king cobra, the Mani develops. Books also mention that it only happens in the cobra that passes one hundred years of life on earth. Once the peal is formed the snake achieved magical powers and can transform into any form it desires, the size and luster of Mani increases with age of snake. It is moon like pearl with blue tint and it emits light in darkness to play with it and to search for its prey in its light. Owning such Mani is considered good luck, makes person wealthy and fulfill all desires. It also mentioned that when gem is separated from the Cobra, the cobra dies. Scientific Facts: The life of cobra or king cobra recorded in captivity is around 20-30 years and they live less in wild because of very high death rates due to infant mortality, diseases, predators, bad weather, accidents, or competition for food.Now coming to cobra pearl as per the article published in Harper's monthly magazine by Prof. Hensoldt PhD, who saw the cobra pearl with his own eyes in Sri Lanks in natural conditions and also owned few pieces before he left Ceylon, ultimately it was found to be mineral called chlorophane, a rare variety of fluorspar. Some varieties of chlorophane are so sensitive that even slight warming of hand (such as is produced by holding the sample in hand for few momemts) will cause them to phosphoresce for hours in the dark. Similar chlorophane pebbles were also found by eminent Berlin mineralogist Gustave Rose in Altai Mountains of Siberia, these chlorophane pebbles shone with intense brilliancy all night long without having received any other warming that that by the sun's rays during the day. From where does these chlorophane pebbles come from, why snakes carry it and how they make use of it? These water worn chlorophane pebbles are normally found in dry bed rivers and especially in area where gem mines are around, i.e. places like Sri Lanka, Burma and Ural (Siberia). In Sri-Lanka the chlorophane is also called serpent stone. A chlorophane from Siberia glows white from hand heat, green in boiling water and emerald on burning coal. And Chlorophane from Amelia Court House, Virginia, long recognized as remarkably thermo luminescent, became, after exposure to UV rays, so sensitive it would glow green from the heat of one's hand." The activator causing the green fluorescence, according to Gleason, is yttrium. The color of fluorescence may vary depending on traces of impurities in chlorophane. The image of such mani at daylight and night which was obtained from cobra is already there in our photos section. The cobras are perhaps the only serpents which will eat insects. They feed on ants, grasshoppers, variety of beetles, etc., but seem to have preference for fire-lies, because they can be caught at night much more easily than any other insect, darting here and there to catch these fire-flies is tiring for a cobra. Now every entomologist knows that the flying lightning bugs consist entirely of males. The females, which are not very numerous, are much larger and cannot fly, as they have only rudimentary wings. They sit quietly in grass, emitting a greenish light which is much stronger than that of the males, and fades and becomes brilliant at regular intervals, this light attracts male lightning bugs and they almost land in close proximity. The pebble of chlorophane also emits in the dark a dark green light, which is so much like that of female lightning bug that is an easy matter to deceive the male fire-fly with it, by setting it up as a decoy. The cobras have gradually come to take advantage of an experience made by them accidentally. As per author , it may frequently happen, for instance that cobra finds one these shining pebble in the gravel of the dry river beds, being attracted to it by its glow at night, and taking it for a glow worm(larvae) . It would then, at any rate notice that the fire-lies could be caught much more easily and quickly in the neighborhood of that shining object than anywhere else and would habitually return to it. Several cobras might come together and there would be competition, and from this moment to the finding out that success in capturing fire-lies depends on the possession of this phosphorescent pebble, and to the seizing of it in order to prevent another snake from monopolizing it. In Author's opinion it is no great step and involved no exception powers of reasoning. The cobra carries it about and soon learns to treasure it, for it affords it an easy means of getting its living. All it has to do is deposit this stone in the grass at night and the obliging insects literally fly down its throat. There are even reasons for believing that no individual experience is now necessary to cause any cobra to act in this manner, but that even a young co- bra, on finding such a stone, will instinctively take it up, and use it in the manner I have described. It must be borne in mind that there is an inherited race memory among the lower animals which is often far stronger than the memory gathered during the short lifetime of the individual. Thus the accumulated experience of the cobra's ancestors during countless generations now causes it to act in a manner which we refer to instinct. Such are the remarkable facts connected with the naja-kallu, the cobra's shining stone. Who can tell whether the old traditions of snakes carrying precious stones, of which we still find traces in our fairy tales, may not have their source in some such fact as this? Conclusion: 1. Cobra Pearl is mineral called Chlorophane, it is not formed inside body of snake. 2. King Cobra does not eat insects, it eats other snakes,small mammals and lizards, so King Cobra would not need this chlorophane pebble to hunt insects. So a king cobra would not carry such pebble. 3. Since Chlorophane is mineral, question of petrified cobra pearl does not arise. 4. Typically old snakes use chlorophane pebble to attract fire-flies or other insect and on loss of such pebble they may not die of grief but because of hunger, due to their inability to hunt. bibliography: Harish Johari, "The healing power of gemstones", 1996, Rochester Vermont ,Inner Traditions • Bear & Company, [pp 55-56]Hensoldt, H., Professor, Ph.D.,"The Naja-Kallu Or Cobra Stone" Harper's New Monthly Magazine ,Issue 478 (March, 1890) http://digital.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=harp;cc=harp;rgn=\full%20text;idno=harp0080-4;didno=harp0080-4;view=image;seq=0546;node=harp0080-4\%3A6 ( 1 Aug 2009) Ed Carvalho, "What the Heck is Chlorophane", February 14th 2006 MEETING, http://www.geocities.com/berksmineralsociety/2006_feb_geode.doc ( 4 Aug 2009 )The New York Times, "The Lure of the Cobra", March 9 1890http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=2 & res=940CE0DD153BE533A2575AC0A9659C94619ED7CF (4 Aug 2009) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Excellent piece of factual info. I always doubted the general perceptions out of common sense only but dd not have evidence to disprove as you have provided. This should open the eyes of people who blindly believe any and everything stated by gemologists(?) and Astrologers.... Thank you for enlightening us. Amar 2009/8/6 ishwar33 <ishwar33 Dear Members,The purpose of this artilce is only to present research material which published by Prof. Hensholdt in 1890, on many websites these few pages being sold for USD 35, using the link at end of this article you can read full researched material. What is Cobra Pearl or Naga Mani Mythological: The Naga Mani is considered as one of the nine sacred pearls and most of the books on gems give the procedure how it is formed, i.e. when rain drops influenced by Swati Nakshtra fall into mouth of the king cobra, the Mani develops. Books also mention that it only happens in the cobra that passes one hundred years of life on earth. Once the peal is formed the snake achieved magical powers and can transform into any form it desires, the size and luster of Mani increases with age of snake. It is moon like pearl with blue tint and it emits light in darkness to play with it and to search for its prey in its light. Owning such Mani is considered good luck, makes person wealthy and fulfill all desires. It also mentioned that when gem is separated from the Cobra, the cobra dies. Scientific Facts: The life of cobra or king cobra recorded in captivity is around 20-30 years and they live less in wild because of very high death rates due to infant mortality, diseases, predators, bad weather, accidents, or competition for food. Now coming to cobra pearl as per the article published in Harper's monthly magazine by Prof. Hensoldt PhD, who saw the cobra pearl with his own eyes in Sri Lanks in natural conditions and also owned few pieces before he left Ceylon, ultimately it was found to be mineral called chlorophane, a rare variety of fluorspar. Some varieties of chlorophane are so sensitive that even slight warming of hand (such as is produced by holding the sample in hand for few momemts) will cause them to phosphoresce for hours in the dark. Similar chlorophane pebbles were also found by eminent Berlin mineralogist Gustave Rose in Altai Mountains of Siberia, these chlorophane pebbles shone with intense brilliancy all night long without having received any other warming that that by the sun's rays during the day. From where does these chlorophane pebbles come from, why snakes carry it and how they make use of it? These water worn chlorophane pebbles are normally found in dry bed rivers and especially in area where gem mines are around, i.e. places like Sri Lanka, Burma and Ural (Siberia). In Sri-Lanka the chlorophane is also called serpent stone. A chlorophane from Siberia glows white from hand heat, green in boiling water and emerald on burning coal. And Chlorophane from Amelia Court House, Virginia, long recognized as remarkably thermo luminescent, became, after exposure to UV rays, so sensitive it would glow green from the heat of one's hand. " The activator causing the green fluorescence, according to Gleason, is yttrium. The color of fluorescence may vary depending on traces of impurities in chlorophane. The image of such mani at daylight and night which was obtained from cobra is already there in our photos section. The cobras are perhaps the only serpents which will eat insects. They feed on ants, grasshoppers, variety of beetles, etc., but seem to have preference for fire-lies, because they can be caught at night much more easily than any other insect, darting here and there to catch these fire-flies is tiring for a cobra. Now every entomologist knows that the flying lightning bugs consist entirely of males. The females, which are not very numerous, are much larger and cannot fly, as they have only rudimentary wings. They sit quietly in grass, emitting a greenish light which is much stronger than that of the males, and fades and becomes brilliant at regular intervals, this light attracts male lightning bugs and they almost land in close proximity. The pebble of chlorophane also emits in the dark a dark green light, which is so much like that of female lightning bug that is an easy matter to deceive the male fire-fly with it, by setting it up as a decoy. The cobras have gradually come to take advantage of an experience made by them accidentally. As per author , it may frequently happen, for instance that cobra finds one these shining pebble in the gravel of the dry river beds, being attracted to it by its glow at night, and taking it for a glow worm(larvae) . It would then, at any rate notice that the fire-lies could be caught much more easily and quickly in the neighborhood of that shining object than anywhere else and would habitually return to it. Several cobras might come together and there would be competition, and from this moment to the finding out that success in capturing fire-lies depends on the possession of this phosphorescent pebble, and to the seizing of it in order to prevent another snake from monopolizing it. In Author's opinion it is no great step and involved no exception powers of reasoning. The cobra carries it about and soon learns to treasure it, for it affords it an easy means of getting its living. All it has to do is deposit this stone in the grass at night and the obliging insects literally fly down its throat. There are even reasons for believing that no individual experience is now necessary to cause any cobra to act in this manner, but that even a young co- bra, on finding such a stone, will instinctively take it up, and use it in the manner I have described. It must be borne in mind that there is an inherited race memory among the lower animals which is often far stronger than the memory gathered during the short lifetime of the individual. Thus the accumulated experience of the cobra's ancestors during countless generations now causes it to act in a manner which we refer to instinct. Such are the remarkable facts connected with the naja-kallu, the cobra's shining stone. Who can tell whether the old traditions of snakes carrying precious stones, of which we still find traces in our fairy tales, may not have their source in some such fact as this? Conclusion: 1. Cobra Pearl is mineral called Chlorophane, it is not formed inside body of snake. 2. King Cobra does not eat insects, it eats other snakes,small mammals and lizards, so King Cobra would not need this chlorophane pebble to hunt insects. So a king cobra would not carry such pebble. 3. Since Chlorophane is mineral, question of petrified cobra pearl does not arise. 4. Typically old snakes use chlorophane pebble to attract fire-flies or other insect and on loss of such pebble they may not die of grief but because of hunger, due to their inability to hunt. bibliography: Harish Johari, " The healing power of gemstones " , 1996, Rochester Vermont ,Inner Traditions • Bear & Company, [pp 55-56]Hensoldt, H., Professor, Ph.D., " The Naja-Kallu Or Cobra Stone " Harper's New Monthly Magazine ,Issue 478 (March, 1890) http://digital.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=harp;cc=harp;rgn=\ full%20text;idno=harp0080-4;didno=harp0080-4;view=image;seq=0546;node=harp0080-4\%3A6 ( 1 Aug 2009) Ed Carvalho, " What the Heck is Chlorophane " , February 14th 2006 MEETING, http://www.geocities.com/berksmineralsociety/2006_feb_geode.doc ( 4 Aug 2009 ) The New York Times, " The Lure of the Cobra " , March 9 1890http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=2 & res=940CE0DD153BE533A2575AC0A9659C94619ED7CF (4 Aug 2009) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Exellent research information about Nagamani. At least many will not dream or spend a big fortune to own a nagamani. Just spend a few thousand dollars to get a beautiful serpent stone from Sri Lanka is made possible after reading this scientific article. Many thanks for your herculean efforts to demystify the elusive nagamani. Om shanthi. --- On Thu, 8/6/09, AMAR SAXENA <apsaxena wrote: AMAR SAXENA <apsaxenaRe: Cobra Pearl, Naga Mani demystifiedsacred-objects Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 9:00 PM Excellent piece of factual info. I always doubted the general perceptions out of common sense only but dd not have evidence to disprove as you have provided. This should open the eyes of people who blindly believe any and everything stated by gemologists( ?) and Astrologers. ... Thank you for enlightening us. Amar 2009/8/6 ishwar33 <ishwar33 > Dear Members,The purpose of this artilce is only to present research material which published by Prof. Hensholdt in 1890, on many websites these few pages being sold for USD 35, using the link at end of this article you can read full researched material. What is Cobra Pearl or Naga Mani Mythological: The Naga Mani is considered as one of the nine sacred pearls and most of the books on gems give the procedure how it is formed, i.e. when rain drops influenced by Swati Nakshtra fall into mouth of the king cobra, the Mani develops. Books also mention that it only happens in the cobra that passes one hundred years of life on earth. Once the peal is formed the snake achieved magical powers and can transform into any form it desires, the size and luster of Mani increases with age of snake. It is moon like pearl with blue tint and it emits light in darkness to play with it and to search for its prey in its light. Owning such Mani is considered good luck, makes person wealthy and fulfill all desires. It also mentioned that when gem is separated from the Cobra, the cobra dies. Scientific Facts: The life of cobra or king cobra recorded in captivity is around 20-30 years and they live less in wild because of very high death rates due to infant mortality, diseases, predators, bad weather, accidents, or competition for food.Now coming to cobra pearl as per the article published in Harper's monthly magazine by Prof. Hensoldt PhD, who saw the cobra pearl with his own eyes in Sri Lanks in natural conditions and also owned few pieces before he left Ceylon, ultimately it was found to be mineral called chlorophane, a rare variety of fluorspar. Some varieties of chlorophane are so sensitive that even slight warming of hand (such as is produced by holding the sample in hand for few momemts) will cause them to phosphoresce for hours in the dark. Similar chlorophane pebbles were also found by eminent Berlin mineralogist Gustave Rose in Altai Mountains of Siberia, these chlorophane pebbles shone with intense brilliancy all night long without having received any other warming that that by the sun's rays during the day. From where does these chlorophane pebbles come from, why snakes carry it and how they make use of it? These water worn chlorophane pebbles are normally found in dry bed rivers and especially in area where gem mines are around, i.e. places like Sri Lanka, Burma and Ural (Siberia). In Sri-Lanka the chlorophane is also called serpent stone. A chlorophane from Siberia glows white from hand heat, green in boiling water and emerald on burning coal. And Chlorophane from Amelia Court House, Virginia, long recognized as remarkably thermo luminescent, became, after exposure to UV rays, so sensitive it would glow green from the heat of one's hand." The activator causing the green fluorescence, according to Gleason, is yttrium. The color of fluorescence may vary depending on traces of impurities in chlorophane. The image of such mani at daylight and night which was obtained from cobra is already there in our photos section. The cobras are perhaps the only serpents which will eat insects. They feed on ants, grasshoppers, variety of beetles, etc., but seem to have preference for fire-lies, because they can be caught at night much more easily than any other insect, darting here and there to catch these fire-flies is tiring for a cobra. Now every entomologist knows that the flying lightning bugs consist entirely of males. The females, which are not very numerous, are much larger and cannot fly, as they have only rudimentary wings. They sit quietly in grass, emitting a greenish light which is much stronger than that of the males, and fades and becomes brilliant at regular intervals, this light attracts male lightning bugs and they almost land in close proximity. The pebble of chlorophane also emits in the dark a dark green light, which is so much like that of female lightning bug that is an easy matter to deceive the male fire-fly with it, by setting it up as a decoy. The cobras have gradually come to take advantage of an experience made by them accidentally. As per author , it may frequently happen, for instance that cobra finds one these shining pebble in the gravel of the dry river beds, being attracted to it by its glow at night, and taking it for a glow worm(larvae) . It would then, at any rate notice that the fire-lies could be caught much more easily and quickly in the neighborhood of that shining object than anywhere else and would habitually return to it. Several cobras might come together and there would be competition, and from this moment to the finding out that success in capturing fire-lies depends on the possession of this phosphorescent pebble, and to the seizing of it in order to prevent another snake from monopolizing it. In Author's opinion it is no great step and involved no exception powers of reasoning. The cobra carries it about and soon learns to treasure it, for it affords it an easy means of getting its living. All it has to do is deposit this stone in the grass at night and the obliging insects literally fly down its throat. There are even reasons for believing that no individual experience is now necessary to cause any cobra to act in this manner, but that even a young co- bra, on finding such a stone, will instinctively take it up, and use it in the manner I have described. It must be borne in mind that there is an inherited race memory among the lower animals which is often far stronger than the memory gathered during the short lifetime of the individual. Thus the accumulated experience of the cobra's ancestors during countless generations now causes it to act in a manner which we refer to instinct. Such are the remarkable facts connected with the naja-kallu, the cobra's shining stone. Who can tell whether the old traditions of snakes carrying precious stones, of which we still find traces in our fairy tales, may not have their source in some such fact as this? Conclusion: 1. Cobra Pearl is mineral called Chlorophane, it is not formed inside body of snake. 2. King Cobra does not eat insects, it eats other snakes,small mammals and lizards, so King Cobra would not need this chlorophane pebble to hunt insects. So a king cobra would not carry such pebble. 3. Since Chlorophane is mineral, question of petrified cobra pearl does not arise. 4. Typically old snakes use chlorophane pebble to attract fire-flies or other insect and on loss of such pebble they may not die of grief but because of hunger, due to their inability to hunt. bibliography: Harish Johari, "The healing power of gemstones", 1996, Rochester Vermont ,Inner Traditions • Bear & Company, [pp 55-56]Hensoldt, H., Professor, Ph.D.,"The Naja-Kallu Or Cobra Stone" Harper's New Monthly Magazine ,Issue 478 (March, 1890) http://digital. library.cornell. edu/cgi/t/ text/pageviewer- idx?c=harp; cc=harp;rgn= \full%20text; idno=harp0080- 4;didno=harp0080 -4;view=image; seq=0546; node=harp0080- 4\%3A6 ( 1 Aug 2009) Ed Carvalho, "What the Heck is Chlorophane", February 14th 2006 MEETING, http://www.geocitie s.com/berksminer alsociety/ 2006_feb_ geode.doc ( 4 Aug 2009 )The New York Times, "The Lure of the Cobra", March 9 1890http://query. nytimes.com/ mem/archive- free/pdf? _r=2 & res=940CE0DD153BE53 3A2575AC0A9659C9 4619ED7CF (4 Aug 2009) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 dear freinds let there be no euphoria about any lab analysis of what an object contains, for there is no room for science in faith and myth. almost all rudraksha in the world are bought by natives due to their belief in the myth that they belong to a certain mythological diety and that they give some benefits lika a magic which is nonsense according to science. if only rudraksha are to be based on labtest and biological content analysis, it is no sacred object but a mere seed of n number of fruits available in the earth. almost all stones aka gems too are bought by the natives due to their belief in the myth that they are correlated to a certain mythical planet which and the natives get protected from negatives or enhance benefics like a magic by wearing so and so and are mostly based on mythological scriptural faith and not on labtests. buyers of a diamond are wearing to receive benefics from mythical sukra or venus and not for its scientific power to kill if consumed or for any other labtest discovered content. science has limited role to play in mythology and basking in the glory of demystified or myth vs fact are irrelevant in matters of faith. how can a bone of a sea creature like a conch becomes sacred and command such a huge price of several thousands of rupees per gram if not for its mythical correlation to goddess of wealth mahalakshmi. for those foodbuffs in some asian countries who eat the body of the conch, it is a wastepiece. for another it could be a decorative piece to adore the cupboard of a drawing room. for believers of mythology, they not only treat it as lakshmi but many south indian temples wrap it in gold or silver and worship it. i know for sure all vocal members glorifying scienctific jargon remain mute on the above issues since they cannot afford to diassociate from the myths and take shelter only in science, for they have been glorifying the myths all along their business career. they should realise the difference between facevalue or labvalue which is measurable and mythical value which is priceless. coming specific to nagamani, there are many adages that say snake is a poisonous animal and that it must be killed without mercy etc. which modern men tend to believe based on logic. but most in india who believe in mythology (here logic or science is meaningless) not only worship a snake as nagadevata but rever its mani, be it from the head or a stone used by it. in west some people use snake skin for their shoes and the skin is used in some other items as well. in many countries snakes are eaten and relished. but for those who believe in mythology and treat a snake as nagadevata, it is god and these snake eaters and snakeskin wearers may not educate the believers of mythology and treat the snake in the best manner known only to them. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com sacred-objects , AMAR SAXENA <apsaxena wrote: > > Excellent piece of factual info. I always doubted the general perceptions > out of common sense only but dd not have evidence to disprove as you have > provided. This should open the eyes of people who blindly believe any and > everything stated by gemologists(?) and Astrologers.... > > Thank you for enlightening us. > Amar > > 2009/8/6 ishwar33 <ishwar33 > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > The purpose of this artilce is only to present research material which > > published by Prof. Hensholdt in 1890, on many websites these few pages being > > sold for USD 35, using the link at end of this article you can read > > full researched material. > > > > > > > > What is Cobra Pearl or Naga Mani > > > > > > Mythological: > > > > The Naga Mani is considered as one of the nine sacred pearls and most of > > the books on gems give the procedure how it is formed, i.e. when rain > > drops influenced by Swati Nakshtra fall into mouth of the *king cobra*, > > the Mani develops. Books also mention that it only happens in the cobra that > > passes *one hundred years* of life on earth. Once the peal is formed the > > snake achieved magical powers and can transform into any form it desires, > > the size and luster of Mani increases with age of snake. It is moon like > > pearl with blue tint and it emits light in darkness to play with it and to > > *search for its prey in its light*. Owning such Mani is considered good > > luck, makes person wealthy and fulfill all desires. *It also mentioned > > that when gem is separated from the Cobra, the cobra dies.* > > > > *Scientific Facts: * > > > > The life of cobra or king cobra recorded in captivity is around 20-30 years > > and they live less in wild because of very high death rates due to infant > > mortality, diseases, predators, bad weather, accidents, or competition for > > food. > > > > Now coming to cobra pearl as per the article published in Harper's monthly > > magazine by Prof. Hensoldt PhD, who saw the cobra pearl with his own eyes in > > Sri Lanks in natural conditions and also owned few pieces before he left > > Ceylon, ultimately it was found to be mineral called *chlorophane,* a rare > > variety of fluorspar. > > > > Some varieties of chlorophane are so sensitive that even slight warming of > > hand (such as is produced by holding the sample in hand for few momemts) > > will cause them to phosphoresce for hours in the dark. > > > > Similar chlorophane pebbles were also found by eminent Berlin mineralogist > > Gustave Rose in Altai Mountains of Siberia, these chlorophane pebbles shone > > with intense brilliancy all night long without having received any other > > warming that that by the sun's rays during the day. > > > > > > From where does these chlorophane pebbles come from, why snakes carry it > > and how they make use of it? > > > > > > These water worn chlorophane pebbles are normally found in dry bed rivers > > and especially in area where gem mines are around, i.e. places like Sri > > Lanka, Burma and Ural (Siberia). In Sri-Lanka the chlorophane is also called > > serpent stone. A chlorophane from Siberia glows white from hand heat, green > > in boiling water and emerald on burning coal. And Chlorophane from Amelia > > Court House, Virginia, long recognized as remarkably thermo luminescent, > > became, after exposure to UV rays, so sensitive it would glow green from the > > heat of one's hand. " > > > > The activator causing the green fluorescence, according to Gleason, is * > > yttrium*. The color of fluorescence may vary depending on traces of > > impurities in chlorophane. The image of such mani at daylight and night > > which was obtained from cobra is already there in our photos section. > > > > > > The cobras are perhaps the only serpents which will eat insects. They feed > > on ants, grasshoppers, variety of beetles, etc., but seem to have preference > > for fire-lies, because they can be caught at night much more easily than any > > other insect, darting here and there to catch these fire-flies is tiring for > > a cobra. Now every entomologist knows that the flying lightning bugs > > consist entirely of males. The females, which are not very numerous, are > > much larger and cannot fly, as they have only rudimentary wings. They sit > > quietly in grass, emitting a greenish light which is much stronger than that > > of the males, and fades and becomes brilliant at regular intervals, this > > light attracts male lightning bugs and they almost land in close proximity. > > > > The pebble of chlorophane also emits in the dark a dark green light, > > which is so much like that of female lightning bug that is an easy matter to > > deceive the male fire-fly with it, by setting it up as a decoy. The > > cobras have gradually come to take advantage of an experience made by them > > accidentally. > > > > As per author , it may frequently happen, for instance that cobra finds one > > these shining pebble in the gravel of the dry river beds, being attracted to > > it by its glow at night, and taking it for a glow worm(larvae) . It would > > then, at any rate notice that the fire-lies could be caught much more easily > > and quickly in the neighborhood of that shining object than anywhere else > > and would habitually return to it. Several cobras might come together and > > there would be competition, and from this moment to the finding out that > > success in capturing fire-lies depends on the possession of this phosphorescent > > pebble, and to the seizing of it in order to prevent another snake from > > monopolizing it. In Author's opinion it is no great step and involved no > > exception powers of reasoning. The cobra carries it about and soon learns to > > treasure it, for it affords it an easy means of getting its living. All it > > has to do is deposit this stone in the grass at night and the obliging > > insects literally fly down its throat. There are even reasons for believing > > that no individual experience is now necessary to cause any cobra to act in > > this manner, but that even a young co- bra, on finding such a stone, will > > instinctively take it up, and use it in the manner I have described. It must > > be borne in mind that there is an inherited race memory among the lower > > animals which is often far stronger than the memory gathered during the > > short lifetime of the individual. > > > > Thus the accumulated experience of the cobra's ancestors during countless > > generations now causes it to act in a manner which we refer to instinct. > > Such are the remarkable facts connected with the naja-kallu, the cobra's > > shining stone. Who can tell whether the old traditions of snakes carrying > > precious stones, of which we still find traces in our fairy tales, may not > > have their source in some such fact as this? > > > > > > > > Conclusion: > > > > 1. Cobra Pearl is mineral called Chlorophane, it is not formed inside > > body of snake. > > > > 2. King Cobra does not eat insects, it eats other snakes,small mammals > > and lizards, so King Cobra would not need this chlorophane pebble to hunt > > insects. So a king cobra would not carry such pebble. > > > > 3. Since Chlorophane is mineral, question of petrified cobra pearl does > > not arise.** > > > > 4. Typically old snakes use chlorophane pebble to attract fire-flies or > > other insect and on loss of such pebble they may not die of grief but > > because of hunger, due to their inability to hunt.** > > > > * * > > > > > > > > ** > > > > * * > > > > * * > > > > * * > > > > * * > > > > * * > > > > *bibliography:* > > > > Harish Johari, " The healing power of gemstones " , 1996, Rochester Vermont > > ,Inner Traditions • Bear & Company, [pp 55-56] > > > > Hensoldt, H., Professor, Ph.D., " The Naja-Kallu Or Cobra Stone " Harper's > > New Monthly Magazine ,Issue 478 (March, 1890) * > > * > > http://digital.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=harp;cc=harp;rgn=\ \ > > > > full%20text;idno=harp0080-4;didno=harp0080-4;view=image;seq=0546;node=harp0080-4\ \%3A6<http://digital.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=harp;cc=har\ p;rgn=%5Cfull%20text;idno=harp0080-4;didno=harp0080-4;view=image;seq=0546;node=h\ arp0080-4%5C%3A6> > > ( 1 Aug 2009) > > > > Ed Carvalho, " What the Heck is Chlorophane " , February 14th 2006 MEETING, > > > > http://www.geocities.com/berksmineralsociety/2006_feb_geode.doc ( 4 Aug > > 2009 ) > > > > The New York Times, " The Lure of the Cobra " , March 9 1890 > > > > http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=2 & res=940CE0DD153BE533A2575AC0A\ 9659C94619ED7CF(4 Aug 2009) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Dear Sir, I have already seen and read this information before with Kunz and one book written by Al-biruni Mohammed. It was mentioned much before these writers quoted them in their books. But with due respect to Mr.Johari, he has wrongly mentioned chlorophane as snake stone. Chlorophane is a fluorite possessing thermoluminescence which is not visible in ordinary lighting conditions. Moreover it loses its thermoluminescence if it is put in light for too long. Some of these stones only show this remarkable property once in its lifetime. But nagmanis mentioned in certain classics are entirely different stones. I am writing a book in which I have defined two such incidents in which Nagmani was seen. The incidents clearly indicate how nagmanis are different from snake stones and this fluorite. It is true that some sellers (One of them also tried to cheat me) use chlorophane as nagmani and try to sell them at shocking prices, but at the same time it is wrong to deduce that same chlorophane is Nagamani. If cobras are so intelligent then they can use a stone to attract prey, then our scientists would have replaced dolphins with cobras themselves. In fact cobras are highly venomous and extremely anger prone reptiles which can attack anybody on slightest discomfort. Chlorophane cannot be shaped or cut in such a way that it does not lose its thermoluminescense while the Nagamani seen by an esteemed high court Judge was different and round in shape. There are very high dissimilarities between the two objects and I can write a whole document on them. For the time being, it requires more research and longer discretion. Alok Jagawat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Dear Panditji, I have faith is Nagamani. But ONLY the real one. If you do not test by lab to rule out fake, then you are not asking people to have faith in Nagamani, you're asking them to have 'faith in faith'. Y/s, Richard sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear freinds > > let there be no euphoria about any lab analysis of what an object contains, for there is no room for science in faith and myth. > > almost all rudraksha in the world are bought by natives due to their belief in the myth that they belong to a certain mythological diety and that they give some benefits lika a magic which is nonsense according to science. if only rudraksha are to be based on labtest and biological content analysis, it is no sacred object but a mere seed of n number of fruits available in the earth. > > almost all stones aka gems too are bought by the natives due to their belief in the myth that they are correlated to a certain mythical planet which and the natives get protected from negatives or enhance benefics like a magic by wearing so and so and are mostly based on mythological scriptural faith and not on labtests. buyers of a diamond are wearing to receive benefics from mythical sukra or venus and not for its scientific power to kill if consumed or for any other labtest discovered content. > > science has limited role to play in mythology and basking in the glory of demystified or myth vs fact are irrelevant in matters of faith. how can a bone of a sea creature like a conch becomes sacred and command such a huge price of several thousands of rupees per gram if not for its mythical correlation to goddess of wealth mahalakshmi. for those foodbuffs in some asian countries who eat the body of the conch, it is a wastepiece. for another it could be a decorative piece to adore the cupboard of a drawing room. for believers of mythology, they not only treat it as lakshmi but many south indian temples wrap it in gold or silver and worship it. > > i know for sure all vocal members glorifying scienctific jargon remain mute on the above issues since they cannot afford to diassociate from the myths and take shelter only in science, for they have been glorifying the myths all along their business career. they should realise the difference between facevalue or labvalue which is measurable and mythical value which is priceless. > > coming specific to nagamani, there are many adages that say snake is a poisonous animal and that it must be killed without mercy etc. which modern men tend to believe based on logic. but most in india who believe in mythology (here logic or science is meaningless) not only worship a snake as nagadevata but rever its mani, be it from the head or a stone used by it. in west some people use snake skin for their shoes and the skin is used in some other items as well. in many countries snakes are eaten and relished. but for those who believe in mythology and treat a snake as nagadevata, it is god and these snake eaters and snakeskin wearers may not educate the believers of mythology and treat the snake in the best manner known only to them. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > sacred-objects , AMAR SAXENA <apsaxena@> wrote: > > > > Excellent piece of factual info. I always doubted the general perceptions > > out of common sense only but dd not have evidence to disprove as you have > > provided. This should open the eyes of people who blindly believe any and > > everything stated by gemologists(?) and Astrologers.... > > > > Thank you for enlightening us. > > Amar > > > > 2009/8/6 ishwar33 <ishwar33@> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > The purpose of this artilce is only to present research material which > > > published by Prof. Hensholdt in 1890, on many websites these few pages being > > > sold for USD 35, using the link at end of this article you can read > > > full researched material. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is Cobra Pearl or Naga Mani > > > > > > > > > Mythological: > > > > > > The Naga Mani is considered as one of the nine sacred pearls and most of > > > the books on gems give the procedure how it is formed, i.e. when rain > > > drops influenced by Swati Nakshtra fall into mouth of the *king cobra*, > > > the Mani develops. Books also mention that it only happens in the cobra that > > > passes *one hundred years* of life on earth. Once the peal is formed the > > > snake achieved magical powers and can transform into any form it desires, > > > the size and luster of Mani increases with age of snake. It is moon like > > > pearl with blue tint and it emits light in darkness to play with it and to > > > *search for its prey in its light*. Owning such Mani is considered good > > > luck, makes person wealthy and fulfill all desires. *It also mentioned > > > that when gem is separated from the Cobra, the cobra dies.* > > > > > > *Scientific Facts: * > > > > > > The life of cobra or king cobra recorded in captivity is around 20-30 years > > > and they live less in wild because of very high death rates due to infant > > > mortality, diseases, predators, bad weather, accidents, or competition for > > > food. > > > > > > Now coming to cobra pearl as per the article published in Harper's monthly > > > magazine by Prof. Hensoldt PhD, who saw the cobra pearl with his own eyes in > > > Sri Lanks in natural conditions and also owned few pieces before he left > > > Ceylon, ultimately it was found to be mineral called *chlorophane,* a rare > > > variety of fluorspar. > > > > > > Some varieties of chlorophane are so sensitive that even slight warming of > > > hand (such as is produced by holding the sample in hand for few momemts) > > > will cause them to phosphoresce for hours in the dark. > > > > > > Similar chlorophane pebbles were also found by eminent Berlin mineralogist > > > Gustave Rose in Altai Mountains of Siberia, these chlorophane pebbles shone > > > with intense brilliancy all night long without having received any other > > > warming that that by the sun's rays during the day. > > > > > > > > > From where does these chlorophane pebbles come from, why snakes carry it > > > and how they make use of it? > > > > > > > > > These water worn chlorophane pebbles are normally found in dry bed rivers > > > and especially in area where gem mines are around, i.e. places like Sri > > > Lanka, Burma and Ural (Siberia). In Sri-Lanka the chlorophane is also called > > > serpent stone. A chlorophane from Siberia glows white from hand heat, green > > > in boiling water and emerald on burning coal. And Chlorophane from Amelia > > > Court House, Virginia, long recognized as remarkably thermo luminescent, > > > became, after exposure to UV rays, so sensitive it would glow green from the > > > heat of one's hand. " > > > > > > The activator causing the green fluorescence, according to Gleason, is * > > > yttrium*. The color of fluorescence may vary depending on traces of > > > impurities in chlorophane. The image of such mani at daylight and night > > > which was obtained from cobra is already there in our photos section. > > > > > > > > > The cobras are perhaps the only serpents which will eat insects. They feed > > > on ants, grasshoppers, variety of beetles, etc., but seem to have preference > > > for fire-lies, because they can be caught at night much more easily than any > > > other insect, darting here and there to catch these fire-flies is tiring for > > > a cobra. Now every entomologist knows that the flying lightning bugs > > > consist entirely of males. The females, which are not very numerous, are > > > much larger and cannot fly, as they have only rudimentary wings. They sit > > > quietly in grass, emitting a greenish light which is much stronger than that > > > of the males, and fades and becomes brilliant at regular intervals, this > > > light attracts male lightning bugs and they almost land in close proximity. > > > > > > The pebble of chlorophane also emits in the dark a dark green light, > > > which is so much like that of female lightning bug that is an easy matter to > > > deceive the male fire-fly with it, by setting it up as a decoy. The > > > cobras have gradually come to take advantage of an experience made by them > > > accidentally. > > > > > > As per author , it may frequently happen, for instance that cobra finds one > > > these shining pebble in the gravel of the dry river beds, being attracted to > > > it by its glow at night, and taking it for a glow worm(larvae) . It would > > > then, at any rate notice that the fire-lies could be caught much more easily > > > and quickly in the neighborhood of that shining object than anywhere else > > > and would habitually return to it. Several cobras might come together and > > > there would be competition, and from this moment to the finding out that > > > success in capturing fire-lies depends on the possession of this phosphorescent > > > pebble, and to the seizing of it in order to prevent another snake from > > > monopolizing it. In Author's opinion it is no great step and involved no > > > exception powers of reasoning. The cobra carries it about and soon learns to > > > treasure it, for it affords it an easy means of getting its living. All it > > > has to do is deposit this stone in the grass at night and the obliging > > > insects literally fly down its throat. There are even reasons for believing > > > that no individual experience is now necessary to cause any cobra to act in > > > this manner, but that even a young co- bra, on finding such a stone, will > > > instinctively take it up, and use it in the manner I have described. It must > > > be borne in mind that there is an inherited race memory among the lower > > > animals which is often far stronger than the memory gathered during the > > > short lifetime of the individual. > > > > > > Thus the accumulated experience of the cobra's ancestors during countless > > > generations now causes it to act in a manner which we refer to instinct. > > > Such are the remarkable facts connected with the naja-kallu, the cobra's > > > shining stone. Who can tell whether the old traditions of snakes carrying > > > precious stones, of which we still find traces in our fairy tales, may not > > > have their source in some such fact as this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Conclusion: > > > > > > 1. Cobra Pearl is mineral called Chlorophane, it is not formed inside > > > body of snake. > > > > > > 2. King Cobra does not eat insects, it eats other snakes,small mammals > > > and lizards, so King Cobra would not need this chlorophane pebble to hunt > > > insects. So a king cobra would not carry such pebble. > > > > > > 3. Since Chlorophane is mineral, question of petrified cobra pearl does > > > not arise.** > > > > > > 4. Typically old snakes use chlorophane pebble to attract fire-flies or > > > other insect and on loss of such pebble they may not die of grief but > > > because of hunger, due to their inability to hunt.** > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > * * > > > > > > * * > > > > > > * * > > > > > > * * > > > > > > * * > > > > > > *bibliography:* > > > > > > Harish Johari, " The healing power of gemstones " , 1996, Rochester Vermont > > > ,Inner Traditions • Bear & Company, [pp 55-56] > > > > > > Hensoldt, H., Professor, Ph.D., " The Naja-Kallu Or Cobra Stone " Harper's > > > New Monthly Magazine ,Issue 478 (March, 1890) * > > > * > > > http://digital.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=harp;cc=harp;rgn=\ \ > > > > > > full%20text;idno=harp0080-4;didno=harp0080-4;view=image;seq=0546;node=harp0080-4\ \%3A6<http://digital.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=harp;cc=har\ p;rgn=%5Cfull%20text;idno=harp0080-4;didno=harp0080-4;view=image;seq=0546;node=h\ arp0080-4%5C%3A6> > > > ( 1 Aug 2009) > > > > > > Ed Carvalho, " What the Heck is Chlorophane " , February 14th 2006 MEETING, > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/berksmineralsociety/2006_feb_geode.doc ( 4 Aug > > > 2009 ) > > > > > > The New York Times, " The Lure of the Cobra " , March 9 1890 > > > > > > http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=2 & res=940CE0DD153BE533A2575AC0A\ 9659C94619ED7CF(4 Aug 2009) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 dear richardji enough has been said on faith and tests to decipher genuinity and let us rest the case here. as regards the nagamani in question, have just got it reserved for an old customer of mine who is interested in it and hence am deleting the photo as the nagamani in photo is no more available. if and when i get my next nagamani, would surely share the same with this group first. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com sacred-objects , " Richard Shaw Brown " <rsbj66 wrote: > > Dear Panditji, > > I have faith is Nagamani. But ONLY the real one. If you do not test by lab to rule out fake, then you are not asking people to have faith in Nagamani, you're asking them to have 'faith in faith'. > > Y/s, > Richard > > sacred-objects , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear freinds > > > > let there be no euphoria about any lab analysis of what an object contains, for there is no room for science in faith and myth. > > > > almost all rudraksha in the world are bought by natives due to their belief in the myth that they belong to a certain mythological diety and that they give some benefits lika a magic which is nonsense according to science. if only rudraksha are to be based on labtest and biological content analysis, it is no sacred object but a mere seed of n number of fruits available in the earth. > > > > almost all stones aka gems too are bought by the natives due to their belief in the myth that they are correlated to a certain mythical planet which and the natives get protected from negatives or enhance benefics like a magic by wearing so and so and are mostly based on mythological scriptural faith and not on labtests. buyers of a diamond are wearing to receive benefics from mythical sukra or venus and not for its scientific power to kill if consumed or for any other labtest discovered content. > > > > science has limited role to play in mythology and basking in the glory of demystified or myth vs fact are irrelevant in matters of faith. how can a bone of a sea creature like a conch becomes sacred and command such a huge price of several thousands of rupees per gram if not for its mythical correlation to goddess of wealth mahalakshmi. for those foodbuffs in some asian countries who eat the body of the conch, it is a wastepiece. for another it could be a decorative piece to adore the cupboard of a drawing room. for believers of mythology, they not only treat it as lakshmi but many south indian temples wrap it in gold or silver and worship it. > > > > i know for sure all vocal members glorifying scienctific jargon remain mute on the above issues since they cannot afford to diassociate from the myths and take shelter only in science, for they have been glorifying the myths all along their business career. they should realise the difference between facevalue or labvalue which is measurable and mythical value which is priceless. > > > > coming specific to nagamani, there are many adages that say snake is a poisonous animal and that it must be killed without mercy etc. which modern men tend to believe based on logic. but most in india who believe in mythology (here logic or science is meaningless) not only worship a snake as nagadevata but rever its mani, be it from the head or a stone used by it. in west some people use snake skin for their shoes and the skin is used in some other items as well. in many countries snakes are eaten and relished. but for those who believe in mythology and treat a snake as nagadevata, it is god and these snake eaters and snakeskin wearers may not educate the believers of mythology and treat the snake in the best manner known only to them. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > sacred-objects , AMAR SAXENA <apsaxena@> wrote: > > > > > > Excellent piece of factual info. I always doubted the general perceptions > > > out of common sense only but dd not have evidence to disprove as you have > > > provided. This should open the eyes of people who blindly believe any and > > > everything stated by gemologists(?) and Astrologers.... > > > > > > Thank you for enlightening us. > > > Amar > > > > > > 2009/8/6 ishwar33 <ishwar33@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > The purpose of this artilce is only to present research material which > > > > published by Prof. Hensholdt in 1890, on many websites these few pages being > > > > sold for USD 35, using the link at end of this article you can read > > > > full researched material. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is Cobra Pearl or Naga Mani > > > > > > > > > > > > Mythological: > > > > > > > > The Naga Mani is considered as one of the nine sacred pearls and most of > > > > the books on gems give the procedure how it is formed, i.e. when rain > > > > drops influenced by Swati Nakshtra fall into mouth of the *king cobra*, > > > > the Mani develops. Books also mention that it only happens in the cobra that > > > > passes *one hundred years* of life on earth. Once the peal is formed the > > > > snake achieved magical powers and can transform into any form it desires, > > > > the size and luster of Mani increases with age of snake. It is moon like > > > > pearl with blue tint and it emits light in darkness to play with it and to > > > > *search for its prey in its light*. Owning such Mani is considered good > > > > luck, makes person wealthy and fulfill all desires. *It also mentioned > > > > that when gem is separated from the Cobra, the cobra dies.* > > > > > > > > *Scientific Facts: * > > > > > > > > The life of cobra or king cobra recorded in captivity is around 20-30 years > > > > and they live less in wild because of very high death rates due to infant > > > > mortality, diseases, predators, bad weather, accidents, or competition for > > > > food. > > > > > > > > Now coming to cobra pearl as per the article published in Harper's monthly > > > > magazine by Prof. Hensoldt PhD, who saw the cobra pearl with his own eyes in > > > > Sri Lanks in natural conditions and also owned few pieces before he left > > > > Ceylon, ultimately it was found to be mineral called *chlorophane,* a rare > > > > variety of fluorspar. > > > > > > > > Some varieties of chlorophane are so sensitive that even slight warming of > > > > hand (such as is produced by holding the sample in hand for few momemts) > > > > will cause them to phosphoresce for hours in the dark. > > > > > > > > Similar chlorophane pebbles were also found by eminent Berlin mineralogist > > > > Gustave Rose in Altai Mountains of Siberia, these chlorophane pebbles shone > > > > with intense brilliancy all night long without having received any other > > > > warming that that by the sun's rays during the day. > > > > > > > > > > > > From where does these chlorophane pebbles come from, why snakes carry it > > > > and how they make use of it? > > > > > > > > > > > > These water worn chlorophane pebbles are normally found in dry bed rivers > > > > and especially in area where gem mines are around, i.e. places like Sri > > > > Lanka, Burma and Ural (Siberia). In Sri-Lanka the chlorophane is also called > > > > serpent stone. A chlorophane from Siberia glows white from hand heat, green > > > > in boiling water and emerald on burning coal. And Chlorophane from Amelia > > > > Court House, Virginia, long recognized as remarkably thermo luminescent, > > > > became, after exposure to UV rays, so sensitive it would glow green from the > > > > heat of one's hand. " > > > > > > > > The activator causing the green fluorescence, according to Gleason, is * > > > > yttrium*. The color of fluorescence may vary depending on traces of > > > > impurities in chlorophane. The image of such mani at daylight and night > > > > which was obtained from cobra is already there in our photos section. > > > > > > > > > > > > The cobras are perhaps the only serpents which will eat insects. They feed > > > > on ants, grasshoppers, variety of beetles, etc., but seem to have preference > > > > for fire-lies, because they can be caught at night much more easily than any > > > > other insect, darting here and there to catch these fire-flies is tiring for > > > > a cobra. Now every entomologist knows that the flying lightning bugs > > > > consist entirely of males. The females, which are not very numerous, are > > > > much larger and cannot fly, as they have only rudimentary wings. They sit > > > > quietly in grass, emitting a greenish light which is much stronger than that > > > > of the males, and fades and becomes brilliant at regular intervals, this > > > > light attracts male lightning bugs and they almost land in close proximity. > > > > > > > > The pebble of chlorophane also emits in the dark a dark green light, > > > > which is so much like that of female lightning bug that is an easy matter to > > > > deceive the male fire-fly with it, by setting it up as a decoy. The > > > > cobras have gradually come to take advantage of an experience made by them > > > > accidentally. > > > > > > > > As per author , it may frequently happen, for instance that cobra finds one > > > > these shining pebble in the gravel of the dry river beds, being attracted to > > > > it by its glow at night, and taking it for a glow worm(larvae) . It would > > > > then, at any rate notice that the fire-lies could be caught much more easily > > > > and quickly in the neighborhood of that shining object than anywhere else > > > > and would habitually return to it. Several cobras might come together and > > > > there would be competition, and from this moment to the finding out that > > > > success in capturing fire-lies depends on the possession of this phosphorescent > > > > pebble, and to the seizing of it in order to prevent another snake from > > > > monopolizing it. In Author's opinion it is no great step and involved no > > > > exception powers of reasoning. The cobra carries it about and soon learns to > > > > treasure it, for it affords it an easy means of getting its living. All it > > > > has to do is deposit this stone in the grass at night and the obliging > > > > insects literally fly down its throat. There are even reasons for believing > > > > that no individual experience is now necessary to cause any cobra to act in > > > > this manner, but that even a young co- bra, on finding such a stone, will > > > > instinctively take it up, and use it in the manner I have described. It must > > > > be borne in mind that there is an inherited race memory among the lower > > > > animals which is often far stronger than the memory gathered during the > > > > short lifetime of the individual. > > > > > > > > Thus the accumulated experience of the cobra's ancestors during countless > > > > generations now causes it to act in a manner which we refer to instinct. > > > > Such are the remarkable facts connected with the naja-kallu, the cobra's > > > > shining stone. Who can tell whether the old traditions of snakes carrying > > > > precious stones, of which we still find traces in our fairy tales, may not > > > > have their source in some such fact as this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conclusion: > > > > > > > > 1. Cobra Pearl is mineral called Chlorophane, it is not formed inside > > > > body of snake. > > > > > > > > 2. King Cobra does not eat insects, it eats other snakes,small mammals > > > > and lizards, so King Cobra would not need this chlorophane pebble to hunt > > > > insects. So a king cobra would not carry such pebble. > > > > > > > > 3. Since Chlorophane is mineral, question of petrified cobra pearl does > > > > not arise.** > > > > > > > > 4. Typically old snakes use chlorophane pebble to attract fire-flies or > > > > other insect and on loss of such pebble they may not die of grief but > > > > because of hunger, due to their inability to hunt.** > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > *bibliography:* > > > > > > > > Harish Johari, " The healing power of gemstones " , 1996, Rochester Vermont > > > > ,Inner Traditions • Bear & Company, [pp 55-56] > > > > > > > > Hensoldt, H., Professor, Ph.D., " The Naja-Kallu Or Cobra Stone " Harper's > > > > New Monthly Magazine ,Issue 478 (March, 1890) * > > > > * > > > > http://digital.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=harp;cc=harp;rgn=\ \ > > > > > > > > full%20text;idno=harp0080-4;didno=harp0080-4;view=image;seq=0546;node=harp0080-4\ \%3A6<http://digital.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=harp;cc=har\ p;rgn=%5Cfull%20text;idno=harp0080-4;didno=harp0080-4;view=image;seq=0546;node=h\ arp0080-4%5C%3A6> > > > > ( 1 Aug 2009) > > > > > > > > Ed Carvalho, " What the Heck is Chlorophane " , February 14th 2006 MEETING, > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/berksmineralsociety/2006_feb_geode.doc ( 4 Aug > > > > 2009 ) > > > > > > > > The New York Times, " The Lure of the Cobra " , March 9 1890 > > > > > > > > http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=2 & res=940CE0DD153BE533A2575AC0A\ 9659C94619ED7CF(4 Aug 2009) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 I have had a chance to see stones that glow - I should admit their glow is barely visible, this clorophane thingy is really fancy, I have a couple of questions: a) How come snakes turned out to be smarter than frogs and lizards? Or should we also believe in frog and lizard pearls now? b) How come these stones never made it into the public visibility even though they are the freaks of the nature? If I knew about them, and I was a business man I would make sure I make money out of them isnt it? Just curious, I however love that you mad a public acceptance of the fact that a) Pearls are found in snakes b) there is a collective movement of knowledge that is happening - this has been my pet theory for many years, that a deliberate act of learning fundamentally alters the information we spread to an off spring. Something that is logical but very hard to prove. ishwar33 <ishwar33sacred-objects Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 11:49:41 PM Cobra Pearl, Naga Mani demystified Dear Members,The purpose of this artilce is only to present research material which published by Prof. Hensholdt in 1890, on many websites these few pages being sold for USD 35, using the link at end of this article you can read full researched material. What is Cobra Pearl or Naga Mani Mythological: The Naga Mani is considered as one of the nine sacred pearls and most of the books on gems give the procedure how it is formed, i.e. when rain drops influenced by Swati Nakshtra fall into mouth of the king cobra, the Mani develops. Books also mention that it only happens in the cobra that passes one hundred years of life on earth. Once the peal is formed the snake achieved magical powers and can transform into any form it desires, the size and luster of Mani increases with age of snake. It is moon like pearl with blue tint and it emits light in darkness to play with it and to search for its prey in its light. Owning such Mani is considered good luck, makes person wealthy and fulfill all desires. It also mentioned that when gem is separated from the Cobra, the cobra dies. Scientific Facts: The life of cobra or king cobra recorded in captivity is around 20-30 years and they live less in wild because of very high death rates due to infant mortality, diseases, predators, bad weather, accidents, or competition for food.Now coming to cobra pearl as per the article published in Harper's monthly magazine by Prof. Hensoldt PhD, who saw the cobra pearl with his own eyes in Sri Lanks in natural conditions and also owned few pieces before he left Ceylon, ultimately it was found to be mineral called chlorophane, a rare variety of fluorspar. Some varieties of chlorophane are so sensitive that even slight warming of hand (such as is produced by holding the sample in hand for few momemts) will cause them to phosphoresce for hours in the dark. Similar chlorophane pebbles were also found by eminent Berlin mineralogist Gustave Rose in Altai Mountains of Siberia, these chlorophane pebbles shone with intense brilliancy all night long without having received any other warming that that by the sun's rays during the day. From where does these chlorophane pebbles come from, why snakes carry it and how they make use of it? These water worn chlorophane pebbles are normally found in dry bed rivers and especially in area where gem mines are around, i.e. places like Sri Lanka, Burma and Ural (Siberia). In Sri-Lanka the chlorophane is also called serpent stone. A chlorophane from Siberia glows white from hand heat, green in boiling water and emerald on burning coal. And Chlorophane from Amelia Court House, Virginia, long recognized as remarkably thermo luminescent, became, after exposure to UV rays, so sensitive it would glow green from the heat of one's hand." The activator causing the green fluorescence, according to Gleason, is yttrium. The color of fluorescence may vary depending on traces of impurities in chlorophane. The image of such mani at daylight and night which was obtained from cobra is already there in our photos section. The cobras are perhaps the only serpents which will eat insects. They feed on ants, grasshoppers, variety of beetles, etc., but seem to have preference for fire-lies, because they can be caught at night much more easily than any other insect, darting here and there to catch these fire-flies is tiring for a cobra. Now every entomologist knows that the flying lightning bugs consist entirely of males. The females, which are not very numerous, are much larger and cannot fly, as they have only rudimentary wings. They sit quietly in grass, emitting a greenish light which is much stronger than that of the males, and fades and becomes brilliant at regular intervals, this light attracts male lightning bugs and they almost land in close proximity. The pebble of chlorophane also emits in the dark a dark green light, which is so much like that of female lightning bug that is an easy matter to deceive the male fire-fly with it, by setting it up as a decoy. The cobras have gradually come to take advantage of an experience made by them accidentally. As per author , it may frequently happen, for instance that cobra finds one these shining pebble in the gravel of the dry river beds, being attracted to it by its glow at night, and taking it for a glow worm(larvae) . It would then, at any rate notice that the fire-lies could be caught much more easily and quickly in the neighborhood of that shining object than anywhere else and would habitually return to it. Several cobras might come together and there would be competition, and from this moment to the finding out that success in capturing fire-lies depends on the possession of this phosphorescent pebble, and to the seizing of it in order to prevent another snake from monopolizing it. In Author's opinion it is no great step and involved no exception powers of reasoning. The cobra carries it about and soon learns to treasure it, for it affords it an easy means of getting its living. All it has to do is deposit this stone in the grass at night and the obliging insects literally fly down its throat. There are even reasons for believing that no individual experience is now necessary to cause any cobra to act in this manner, but that even a young co- bra, on finding such a stone, will instinctively take it up, and use it in the manner I have described. It must be borne in mind that there is an inherited race memory among the lower animals which is often far stronger than the memory gathered during the short lifetime of the individual. Thus the accumulated experience of the cobra's ancestors during countless generations now causes it to act in a manner which we refer to instinct. Such are the remarkable facts connected with the naja-kallu, the cobra's shining stone. Who can tell whether the old traditions of snakes carrying precious stones, of which we still find traces in our fairy tales, may not have their source in some such fact as this? Conclusion: 1. Cobra Pearl is mineral called Chlorophane, it is not formed inside body of snake. 2. King Cobra does not eat insects, it eats other snakes,small mammals and lizards, so King Cobra would not need this chlorophane pebble to hunt insects. So a king cobra would not carry such pebble. 3. Since Chlorophane is mineral, question of petrified cobra pearl does not arise. 4. Typically old snakes use chlorophane pebble to attract fire-flies or other insect and on loss of such pebble they may not die of grief but because of hunger, due to their inability to hunt. bibliography: Harish Johari, "The healing power of gemstones", 1996, Rochester Vermont ,Inner Traditions • Bear & Company, [pp 55-56]Hensoldt, H., Professor, Ph.D.,"The Naja-Kallu Or Cobra Stone" Harper's New Monthly Magazine ,Issue 478 (March, 1890) http://digital. library.cornell. edu/cgi/t/ text/pageviewer- idx?c=harp; cc=harp;rgn= \full%20text; idno=harp0080- 4;didno=harp0080 -4;view=image; seq=0546; node=harp0080- 4\%3A6 ( 1 Aug 2009) Ed Carvalho, "What the Heck is Chlorophane" , February 14th 2006 MEETING, http://www.geocitie s.com/berksminer alsociety/ 2006_feb_ geode.doc ( 4 Aug 2009 )The New York Times, "The Lure of the Cobra", March 9 1890http://query. nytimes.com/ mem/archive- free/pdf? _r=2 & res=940CE0DD153BE53 3A2575AC0A9659C9 4619ED7CF (4 Aug 2009) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 dear jisome say that those which emit light at night alone is NAGMANI and which do not NAG RATNAis it true?krisna--- On Mon, 10/8/09, a_jagawat <a_jagawat wrote:a_jagawat <a_jagawat Re: Cobra Pearl, Naga Mani demystifiedsacred-objects Date: Monday, 10 August, 2009, 6:00 PM Dear Ishwar Ji, I have read the article. No cholrophane can replace a Nagamani in any way. There are several possible reasons for the same. Snakes technicaly do not carry grey matter, which can tell them to collect brilliant little objects to get some prey. Then; it is not only cobras who should do it. Several other varieties should do the same, if cobras can do it. My research is based on certain facts and I will definitely publish my papers on the same. The fancy idea that cholorphane is cobra stone is not new. It is an old thing and mentioned in many books, even before this research is been published. We need more discretion in this case. Krishnaarpanastu sacred-objects, "ishwar33" <ishwar33@.. .> wrote: > > Dear Richardji, > > I am waiting for Dr. Bala to return from Russia trip from where he is going to get best quality chlorophane and he is an authority on cobra pearls and Meteorites. He owns around 15 Naga Manis and he had published the photos in this group under conditions like, day shadow, normal day light and night, members can see the rare photos at > > http://groups. / group/sacred- objects/photos/ album/1793244752 /pic/1644079503/ view?picmode= & mode=tn & order=ordinal & start=1 & count= 20 & dir=asc > > when there is no shadow in day light the NM is just like any other crystal, the moment it gets some darkness you start seeing glow. Some varieties of chlorophane behave exactly im same manner. Anyways Dr. Bala will definitely enlighten us further. > > Regards, > > > > sacred-objects, "Richard Shaw Brown" <rsbj66@> wrote: > > > > Dear Panditji, > > > > I have faith is Nagamani. But ONLY the real one. If you do not test by lab to rule out fake, then you are not asking people to have faith in Nagamani, you're asking them to have 'faith in faith'. > > > > Y/s, > > Richard > > > > sacred-objects, "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > > > dear freinds > > > > > > let there be no euphoria about any lab analysis of what an object contains, for there is no room for science in faith and myth. > > > > > > almost all rudraksha in the world are bought by natives due to their belief in the myth that they belong to a certain mythological diety and that they give some benefits lika a magic which is nonsense according to science. if only rudraksha are to be based on labtest and biological content analysis, it is no sacred object but a mere seed of n number of fruits available in the earth. > > > > > > almost all stones aka gems too are bought by the natives due to their belief in the myth that they are correlated to a certain mythical planet which and the natives get protected from negatives or enhance benefics like a magic by wearing so and so and are mostly based on mythological scriptural faith and not on labtests. buyers of a diamond are wearing to receive benefics from mythical sukra or venus and not for its scientific power to kill if consumed or for any other labtest discovered content. > > > > > > science has limited role to play in mythology and basking in the glory of demystified or myth vs fact are irrelevant in matters of faith. how can a bone of a sea creature like a conch becomes sacred and command such a huge price of several thousands of rupees per gram if not for its mythical correlation to goddess of wealth mahalakshmi. for those foodbuffs in some asian countries who eat the body of the conch, it is a wastepiece. for another it could be a decorative piece to adore the cupboard of a drawing room. for believers of mythology, they not only treat it as lakshmi but many south indian temples wrap it in gold or silver and worship it. > > > > > > i know for sure all vocal members glorifying scienctific jargon remain mute on the above issues since they cannot afford to diassociate from the myths and take shelter only in science, for they have been glorifying the myths all along their business career. they should realise the difference between facevalue or labvalue which is measurable and mythical value which is priceless. > > > > > > coming specific to nagamani, there are many adages that say snake is a poisonous animal and that it must be killed without mercy etc. which modern men tend to believe based on logic. but most in india who believe in mythology (here logic or science is meaningless) not only worship a snake as nagadevata but rever its mani, be it from the head or a stone used by it. in west some people use snake skin for their shoes and the skin is used in some other items as well. in many countries snakes are eaten and relished. but for those who believe in mythology and treat a snake as nagadevata, it is god and these snake eaters and snakeskin wearers may not educate the believers of mythology and treat the snake in the best manner known only to them. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > sacred-objects, AMAR SAXENA <apsaxena@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Excellent piece of factual info. I always doubted the general perceptions > > > > out of common sense only but dd not have evidence to disprove as you have > > > > provided. This should open the eyes of people who blindly believe any and > > > > everything stated by gemologists( ?) and Astrologers. ... > > > > > > > > Thank you for enlightening us. > > > > Amar > > > > > > > > 2009/8/6 ishwar33 <ishwar33@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > The purpose of this artilce is only to present research material which > > > > > published by Prof. Hensholdt in 1890, on many websites these few pages being > > > > > sold for USD 35, using the link at end of this article you can read > > > > > full researched material. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is Cobra Pearl or Naga Mani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mythological: > > > > > > > > > > The Naga Mani is considered as one of the nine sacred pearls and most of > > > > > the books on gems give the procedure how it is formed, i.e. when rain > > > > > drops influenced by Swati Nakshtra fall into mouth of the *king cobra*, > > > > > the Mani develops. Books also mention that it only happens in the cobra that > > > > > passes *one hundred years* of life on earth. Once the peal is formed the > > > > > snake achieved magical powers and can transform into any form it desires, > > > > > the size and luster of Mani increases with age of snake. It is moon like > > > > > pearl with blue tint and it emits light in darkness to play with it and to > > > > > *search for its prey in its light*. Owning such Mani is considered good > > > > > luck, makes person wealthy and fulfill all desires. *It also mentioned > > > > > that when gem is separated from the Cobra, the cobra dies.* > > > > > > > > > > *Scientific Facts: * > > > > > > > > > > The life of cobra or king cobra recorded in captivity is around 20-30 years > > > > > and they live less in wild because of very high death rates due to infant > > > > > mortality, diseases, predators, bad weather, accidents, or competition for > > > > > food. > > > > > > > > > > Now coming to cobra pearl as per the article published in Harper's monthly > > > > > magazine by Prof. Hensoldt PhD, who saw the cobra pearl with his own eyes in > > > > > Sri Lanks in natural conditions and also owned few pieces before he left > > > > > Ceylon, ultimately it was found to be mineral called *chlorophane, * a rare > > > > > variety of fluorspar. > > > > > > > > > > Some varieties of chlorophane are so sensitive that even slight warming of > > > > > hand (such as is produced by holding the sample in hand for few momemts) > > > > > will cause them to phosphoresce for hours in the dark. > > > > > > > > > > Similar chlorophane pebbles were also found by eminent Berlin mineralogist > > > > > Gustave Rose in Altai Mountains of Siberia, these chlorophane pebbles shone > > > > > with intense brilliancy all night long without having received any other > > > > > warming that that by the sun's rays during the day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From where does these chlorophane pebbles come from, why snakes carry it > > > > > and how they make use of it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These water worn chlorophane pebbles are normally found in dry bed rivers > > > > > and especially in area where gem mines are around, i.e. places like Sri > > > > > Lanka, Burma and Ural (Siberia). In Sri-Lanka the chlorophane is also called > > > > > serpent stone. A chlorophane from Siberia glows white from hand heat, green > > > > > in boiling water and emerald on burning coal. And Chlorophane from Amelia > > > > > Court House, Virginia, long recognized as remarkably thermo luminescent, > > > > > became, after exposure to UV rays, so sensitive it would glow green from the > > > > > heat of one's hand." > > > > > > > > > > The activator causing the green fluorescence, according to Gleason, is * > > > > > yttrium*. The color of fluorescence may vary depending on traces of > > > > > impurities in chlorophane. The image of such mani at daylight and night > > > > > which was obtained from cobra is already there in our photos section. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The cobras are perhaps the only serpents which will eat insects. They feed > > > > > on ants, grasshoppers, variety of beetles, etc., but seem to have preference > > > > > for fire-lies, because they can be caught at night much more easily than any > > > > > other insect, darting here and there to catch these fire-flies is tiring for > > > > > a cobra. Now every entomologist knows that the flying lightning bugs > > > > > consist entirely of males. The females, which are not very numerous, are > > > > > much larger and cannot fly, as they have only rudimentary wings. They sit > > > > > quietly in grass, emitting a greenish light which is much stronger than that > > > > > of the males, and fades and becomes brilliant at regular intervals, this > > > > > light attracts male lightning bugs and they almost land in close proximity. > > > > > > > > > > The pebble of chlorophane also emits in the dark a dark green light, > > > > > which is so much like that of female lightning bug that is an easy matter to > > > > > deceive the male fire-fly with it, by setting it up as a decoy. The > > > > > cobras have gradually come to take advantage of an experience made by them > > > > > accidentally. > > > > > > > > > > As per author , it may frequently happen, for instance that cobra finds one > > > > > these shining pebble in the gravel of the dry river beds, being attracted to > > > > > it by its glow at night, and taking it for a glow worm(larvae) . It would > > > > > then, at any rate notice that the fire-lies could be caught much more easily > > > > > and quickly in the neighborhood of that shining object than anywhere else > > > > > and would habitually return to it. Several cobras might come together and > > > > > there would be competition, and from this moment to the finding out that > > > > > success in capturing fire-lies depends on the possession of this phosphorescent > > > > > pebble, and to the seizing of it in order to prevent another snake from > > > > > monopolizing it. In Author's opinion it is no great step and involved no > > > > > exception powers of reasoning. The cobra carries it about and soon learns to > > > > > treasure it, for it affords it an easy means of getting its living. All it > > > > > has to do is deposit this stone in the grass at night and the obliging > > > > > insects literally fly down its throat. There are even reasons for believing > > > > > that no individual experience is now necessary to cause any cobra to act in > > > > > this manner, but that even a young co- bra, on finding such a stone, will > > > > > instinctively take it up, and use it in the manner I have described. It must > > > > > be borne in mind that there is an inherited race memory among the lower > > > > > animals which is often far stronger than the memory gathered during the > > > > > short lifetime of the individual. > > > > > > > > > > Thus the accumulated experience of the cobra's ancestors during countless > > > > > generations now causes it to act in a manner which we refer to instinct. > > > > > Such are the remarkable facts connected with the naja-kallu, the cobra's > > > > > shining stone. Who can tell whether the old traditions of snakes carrying > > > > > precious stones, of which we still find traces in our fairy tales, may not > > > > > have their source in some such fact as this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conclusion: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Cobra Pearl is mineral called Chlorophane, it is not formed inside > > > > > body of snake. > > > > > > > > > > 2. King Cobra does not eat insects, it eats other snakes,small mammals > > > > > and lizards, so King Cobra would not need this chlorophane pebble to hunt > > > > > insects. So a king cobra would not carry such pebble. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Since Chlorophane is mineral, question of petrified cobra pearl does > > > > > not arise.** > > > > > > > > > > 4. Typically old snakes use chlorophane pebble to attract fire-flies or > > > > > other insect and on loss of such pebble they may not die of grief but > > > > > because of hunger, due to their inability to hunt.** > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > > > *bibliography: * > > > > > > > > > > Harish Johari, "The healing power of gemstones", 1996, Rochester Vermont > > > > > ,Inner Traditions • Bear & Company, [pp 55-56] > > > > > > > > > > Hensoldt, H., Professor, Ph.D.,"The Naja-Kallu Or Cobra Stone" Harper's > > > > > New Monthly Magazine ,Issue 478 (March, 1890) * > > > > > * > > > > > http://digital. library.cornell. edu/cgi/t/ text/pageviewer- idx?c=harp; cc=harp;rgn= \ > > > > > > > > > > full%20text; idno=harp0080- 4;didno=harp0080 -4;view=image; seq=0546; node=harp0080- 4\%3A6<http://digital. library.cornell. edu/cgi/t/ text/pageviewer- idx?c=harp; cc=harp;rgn= %5Cfull%20text; idno=harp0080- 4;didno=harp0080 -4;view=image; seq=0546; node=harp0080- 4%5C%3A6> > > > > > ( 1 Aug 2009) > > > > > > > > > > Ed Carvalho, "What the Heck is Chlorophane" , February 14th 2006 MEETING, > > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocitie s.com/berksminer alsociety/ 2006_feb_ geode.doc ( 4 Aug > > > > > 2009 ) > > > > > > > > > > The New York Times, "The Lure of the Cobra", March 9 1890 > > > > > > > > > > http://query. nytimes.com/ mem/archive- free/pdf? _r=2 & res= 940CE0DD153BE533 A2575AC0A9659C94 619ED7CF(4 Aug 2009) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New Email addresses available on Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail. 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