Prabhupada's translation of Canto III, Chap XI, sloka 1 & 5

September 26, 2009

Bhagavat Prabhu,

Dandavat. You mean like THIS? SB translation of Canto III, Chap XI, sloka 1 & 5

SHOULD READ:

SB 3.11.1: (The great sage) Maitreya said: " The smallest particle of material

substance, which is indivisible, and has not yet combined with any other similar

particles, is called paramanu (a sub-atomic particle of matter). Paramanus

always exist both in the dormant and manifest states of material existence. It

is the combination of more than one paramanu (sub-atomic particle) which gives

rise to the illusory concept of a (material) unit.

SB 3.11.5: A combination of two paramanus constitutes an anu (atom); and three

anus (atoms) makes one trasarenu. Trasarenus are visable [to the naked eye]

when seen floating upward in the air while viewed through rays of sunlight which

enter a room through a latticed window.

BUT...

PRABHUPADA (Pradyamna??) VERSION READS: Verse 1 & 5:

SB 3.11.1: The material manifestation's ultimate particle, which is indivisible

and not formed into a body, is called the atom. It exists always as an invisible

identity, even after the dissolution of all forms. The material body is but a

combination of such atoms, but it is misunderstood by the common man.

SB 3.11.5: The division of gross time is calculated as follows: two atoms make

one double atom, and three double atoms make one hexatom. This hexatom is

visible in the sunshine which enters through the holes of a window screen. One

can clearly see that the hexatom goes up towards the sky.

-------------->>>

the reason this is important is because of the huge difference. It clearly says

paramanu cannot be split, so we know for SURE that Paramanu cannot mean " atom "

because atom CAN be split. Do you understand the huge difference between

paramanu and anu? Paramanu cannot contain life, but Anu can contain life. So

Prabhupada's translation of Canto III, Chap XI, sloka 1 and 5 MUST be changed.

Otherwise, in stead of being amazed at Bhagavatam the scientists will be

laughing at Srila Prabhupada. As Bhagavatam stands in Sanskrit it is a perfect

marvel of science, but Prabhupada's calling Paramanu as = atom and Anu =

double-atom is just plain wrong.

Y/bro

Hrsi

sacred-objects , David Sherk <gadaidasa wrote:

>

> My Dear Godbrothers and Godsisters:

> Please accept my most humble obeisances! All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!

> I am very glad that we as disciples of Srila Prabhupada are finally doing

something about this great offense to our Spiritual Master. I would like to tell

three stories that are personal experiences of mine with Srila Prabhupada and

his books. It is my earnest hope that these stories will once and for all lay to

rest the controversy of anyone ever editing Srila Prabhupadas books.

> The first story takes place in Mayapur where Srila Prabhupada was talking

about why he came to the material world.

> Srila Prabhupada said: He (meaning Krishna) asked me to come here and I said

that I did not want to go because it was such a dirty place. He (meaning

Krishna) told me if you go I will arrange so many nice palaces for you to live

in. I said but I do not want to go. He (meaning Krishna) said you just go and

write these books and I will make it comfortable for you. So Srila Prabhupada

said because He asked me to write these books I came.

> So here it is quite clear that the main reason why Srila Prabhupada came to

this world was to write these books by the order of the Supreme Personality of

Godhead Lord Sri Krishna. Is Jayadwaita a Nitya Siddha eternal associate of the

Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Sri Krishna who was ordered to come here to

edit these books. If not then he should leave the books alone!

> Once in Bombay Srila Prabhupada ordered me to come to his room and listen to

him preach to some life members. I sat there and listened for almost an hour.

After they left he started to chastise me. Why are you not coming here everyday

to listen to me preach. You are one of my leaders if you do not learn how to

preach from me then what will happen? Then he quoted a verse in Sanskrit from

Bhagavad Gita and asked me if I knew this verse in English, where it was in the

Gita, and what the meaning was. I unfortunately had no answers. Are you reading

my books everyday? he asked. I admitted my neglect. If you do not read my books

everyday then how will you learn? You are going out to make life members and

collect big donations but you are not reading my books. You must read my books

every day! Then he said Even I read my books everyday. Do you know why? I

proffered no answer and waited for the revelation. Because every time I read

these books even I learn

> something! I sat in stunned silence. Then he asked Do you know why I learn

something every time I read these books? Now I was completely bewildered Because

I have not written these books. What transpired next was simply amazing. He

looked me very intently making strong direct eye contact. He spoke with great

authority but with a mystical mood bordering on the ecstatic as he began to

describe how His books are written. Everyday He said When I sit down here to

write these books He was now looking into space waving His hands in the air His

voice filled with Transcendental emotion Krishna personally comes and dictates

every word. I got the sense that Krishna was present in the room at that moment

but I was too blind to see Him. Now Srila Prabhupada returned His eyes to mine

Therefore He said Whenever I read these books even I learn something and if you

read my books everyday you will also learn something every time you read them.

> So here it is quite clear that just like Valldeva Vidya bhushana and other

great Acharyas in our line Srila Prabhupada received direct dictation from

Krishna when he was writing His books. Is Jayadwaita receiving direct dictation

from the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Sri Krishna when he edits the

books? If not then he should leave the books alone!

> Before we move on to the last story we should examine in more detail some of

the inner meanings of Srila Prabhupadaâ€™s descent into the material world for

the purpose of writing these books. Whenever the Supreme Lord descends he always

brings with him his entourage. Similarly when a greatly advanced Nitya Siddha

devotee appears in this world a few associates from the spiritual world and many

highly developed souls with great amounts of sukriti from the material world

come to join him. In a lecture in Los Angeles on the appearance day of Srila

Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur, Srila Prabhupada wept openly as he told the

devotees that they had all been sent here to assist him by His Guru Maharaj. It

is not an accident that Srila Prabhupadas style of writing from the early Srimad

Bhagavatams was a flowery British English which is derived from the

poly-syllabic Mediterranean languages. It is not an accident that Srila

Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur sent

> Srila Prabhupada Hyagriva who was a writer and ardent admirer of the early

American transcendentalists like Emerson and Thoreau who wrote in a similar

poetic style. It is not an accident that Srila Prabhupada spent hours pouring

over the manuscripts, the paintings, etc editing and adjusting everything so it

was just right. None of these things are accidents, the pastimes of the pure

devotee are transcendental.

> Unfortunately some people have a mundane view of the Spiritual masters

activities and think that they can improve on what is already perfect even if

there are some so called discrepancies. Even if the verses are imperfectly

composed they are transcendentally potent none the less. Does Jayadwaita have

any absolute evidence in writing from Srila Prabhupada that approves every

single change that he makes? Unless Jayadwaita was sent here personally by Sri

Krishna for this purpose or is taking dictation from the Supreme Lord then his

adjustments are simply speculation or personal preference. Jayadwaita was not

invited into the editing process by Srila Prabhupada. One good reason could be

Jayadwaitaâ€™s writing style. Jayadwaita favors the short choppy English form

influenced by the Viking languages which is used more for business and common

literature like magazines and newspapers. This was his style at BTG and that is

not acceptable for poetic scripture.

> Jayadwaitas problem is he just doesnâ€™t get it. The Disciples of Srila

Prabhupada want that he should leave the books alone!

> He has taken a very slim 1 vote margin of the GBC to fix some typos to

changing the entire meaning of the texts. Without Srila Prabhupadaâ€™s personal

presence to confirm the changes he is making, from old tapes and manuscripts

which have not been accurately cataloged, he cannot be sure that Srila

Prabhupada did not already reject those versions in favor of what is already in

the book. What we are absolutely sure of is that Srila Prabhupada approved of

each book that was printed after extensively reviewing it. Therefore whatever

has been signed off on by Srila Prabhupada while he was here on the planet

cannot be changed period. You may add an errata or addendum in the back of the

book if you have some serious concerns but the actual texts and purports

themselves must not be adjusted in any way. To do so is to insult Srila

Prabhupada, and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur by doubting their

transcendental plan. To do so is to insult Sri Krishna as the

> Supreme arranger. To do so without a mandate from Sri Guru and Gouranga is to

place your own speculation above the Supreme Lord and His Divine emmisaries.

Without the Nitya Siddha Pure Devotee present to confirm the changes we are

allowing the mental speculation of one man to destroy the absolute nature of the

most important scriptures for the next 10,000 years. Jayadwaita leave the books

alone!

> Now to Let us see how a purely devoted disciple of His Divine Grace approached

the translating and editing process.

> After Srila Prabhupadaâ€™s departure there is a little known pastime, that

will not remain so after this letter goes on your website, where Srila Gour

Govinda Maharaj helped to reveal the unrivalled perfection of Srila

Prabhupadaâ€™s masterful translation of Bhagavad Gita. Srila Gour Govinda

Maharaj was given the service by Srila Prabhupada of translating all of His

books into the Orissan language. Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj was a great scholar

who could write and speak in five languages, Orissan, Hindi, Bengali, English,

and Sanskrit. He got his degree in English from the University with a minor in

Sanskrit. I lived with Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj in the same room for nearly 3

years. He translated Srila Prabhupadas Bhagavad Gita with the greatest love and

devotion and attention for detail. Because of His vast command of languages He

was able to notice little details that others may have overlooked. One thing

that was a cause of great transcendental

> concern for Him was the fact that when Srila Prabhupada translated a word

from Sanskrit to English it would not be the same if Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj

translated the Sanskrit word directly to Oriya. In other words the English word

that Srila Prbhupada used to explain the Sanskrit word had an entirely different

meaning than the Oriya word that would normally be used as a translation of this

same Sanskrit word. Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj was concerned that in translating

the literal English into Oriya that many Pandits and Scholars would complain

that this was not an accurate translation.

> Since Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj did not want to change one single word of His

beloved Spiritual Masters books but at the same time be able to defend the

scholarships of His Guru Maharaj beyond the shadow of a doubt, He devised a plan

for writing down all of the so called contradictions in a list until he

completed the entire work. Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj then went to a little

village to see the now retired Sanskrit professor who had taught Him Sanskrit in

college. This man was considered one of the foremost authorities on the Sanskrit

Language in India having one of the largest personal libraries on the subject,

including one of the best collections of Sanskrit to English Dictionaries. Srila

Gour Govinda Maharaj knew that this scholars grasp of Sanskrit to English

translation would provide him with the evidence he needed to prove the authority

of Srila Prabhupadaâ€™s work.

> After about ten days Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj returned to the little mud hut

that we lived in with the Sanskrit professor in tow. The Sanskrit professor

introduced himself (I apologize but unfortunately I cannot remember his name)

and began glorifying His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupadaâ€™s masterful translation

work. The Professor told me that he started studying Sanskrit when he was five

years old, now in his late 70â€™s he had been studying the language for over 70

years. He told me how on the first review of his dictionaries he could not find

the translations that Srila Prbhupada had made from Sanskrit to English, but he

said that Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj kept encouraging him to keep looking,

assuring him that he would find the translation if he looked long and hard

enough. The professor said he would have given up if it were not for Srila Gour

Govinda Maharajs insistence that His Guru Maharaj had been accurate and that if

he looked hard enough he

> would find it. Then the professor told me that he found each and every

translation that Srila Prbhupada had made. The professor told me that these

translations that your Guru has made are the most obscure and brilliant

explanations of these words from Sanskrit to English that he had ever seen. The

professor admitted that with all of his education and training he could not have

thought of these obscure and brilliant meanings that so perfectly expressed the

inner truths of the mysteries of the Bhagavad Gita. The professor then said

having seen this translation work of His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada he was

convinced that Srila Prabhupada was the greatest Sanskrit scholar in the history

of civilization and must have been directly enlightened by the Supreme Lord

Krishna to accomplish this work.

> There is so much to learn from this pastime. The first thing of course is that

no one is qualified to edit one single word of Srila Prabhupadaâ€™s books

period! Unless he is on the same level as His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada and

since it is pretty obvious Jayadwaita is not then he should leave the books

alone!

> Now some may say how do we know he is not and the answer to that is the second

important lesson that we learn from this pastime. Unlike Jayadwaita who has

changed the words of his Spiritual masters books in order to meet with the

approval of scholars and professors. The pure devotional attitude of Srila Gour

Govinda Maharaj was to elevate the professor by engaging him in devotional

service and then bring him up to a spiritual platform so that he could get the

mercy of Srila Prabhupada. Instead of acting like and editor and scholar Srila

Gour Govinda Maharaj teaches us how to protect and defend the honor of the

Spiritual Master through His Pure Devotional mood.

> Jayadwaitaâ€™s erasing the words of our Divine Master Srila Prbbhupada and

replacing them with his mental speculations reminds me of the story when the

Mayavadi scratched out the name of Krishna in the book and replaced it with the

word Brahman. Krishna eventually appears before him with scratches on His face

the Mayavadi realizes his folly and surrenders to the Lord. Srila Prabhupadaâ€™s

books are his transcendental body how much longer are we going to sit back and

let his books be abused. If Srila Prabhupada were here and some one was abusing

him would we stand by idly and watch it happen! NO! Why do we continue to allow

Jayawaita to abuse our Spiritual Masters books. Can we not stand up in the pure

Devotional mood of Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj and defend the Honor of our

Spiritual Master.

> Let us all work together to restore Srila Prabhupadaâ€™s books to their

pristine and uncontaminated glory. Then let us distribute those books again and

preach the pure devotional service of the Lord to the innocent masses yearning

to be free of the shackles of maya. Let us enter the arena of the material world

proclaiming the Glories of the Lord with the absolute conviction that we can

only benefit everyone we meet with the highest good. If any demoniac persons try

to stop us then we should proudly proclaim like the Christians of old being

attacked by the lions in the Roman coliseum that we are the servants of the Lord

and our spiritual master and we are fearless.

> Your most worthless servant

> Bhagavat Das

>

September 27, 2009

As per him he will say like what he wrote in his mail."So here it is quite clear that the main reason why Srila Prabhupada came to this world was to write these books by the order of the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Sri Krishna. Is Jayadwaita a Nitya Siddha eternal associate of the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Sri Krishna who was ordered to come here to edit these books. If not then he should leave the books alone!"Richard ji these guys are so rigid that it is like a total waste of time even to

explain simple truth to them,the most unacceptable thing in their sampradaya is they consider Shri Krshna superior than Shriman Narayana!!Avatar philosophy they just cannot digest!--- On Sat, 9/26/09, rsbj66 <rsbj66 wrote:rsbj66 <rsbj66 Prabhupada's translation of Canto III, Chap XI, sloka 1 & 5sacred-objects Date: Saturday, September 26, 2009, 4:11 PM

Bhagavat Prabhu,

Dandavat. You mean like THIS? SB translation of Canto III, Chap XI, sloka 1 & 5

SHOULD READ:

SB 3.11.1: (The great sage) Maitreya said: "The smallest particle of material substance, which is indivisible, and has not yet combined with any other similar particles, is called paramanu (a sub-atomic particle of matter). Paramanus always exist both in the dormant and manifest states of material existence. It is the combination of more than one paramanu (sub-atomic particle) which gives rise to the illusory concept of a (material) unit.

SB 3.11.5: A combination of two paramanus constitutes an anu (atom); and three anus (atoms) makes one trasarenu. Trasarenus are visable [to the naked eye] when seen floating upward in the air while viewed through rays of sunlight which enter a room through a latticed window.

BUT...

PRABHUPADA (Pradyamna?? ) VERSION READS: Verse 1 & 5:

SB 3.11.1: The material manifestation' s ultimate particle, which is indivisible and not formed into a body, is called the atom. It exists always as an invisible identity, even after the dissolution of all forms. The material body is but a combination of such atoms, but it is misunderstood by the common man.

SB 3.11.5: The division of gross time is calculated as follows: two atoms make one double atom, and three double atoms make one hexatom. This hexatom is visible in the sunshine which enters through the holes of a window screen. One can clearly see that the hexatom goes up towards the sky.

------------ -->>>

the reason this is important is because of the huge difference. It clearly says paramanu cannot be split, so we know for SURE that Paramanu cannot mean "atom" because atom CAN be split. Do you understand the huge difference between paramanu and anu? Paramanu cannot contain life, but Anu can contain life. So Prabhupada's translation of Canto III, Chap XI, sloka 1 and 5 MUST be changed. Otherwise, in stead of being amazed at Bhagavatam the scientists will be laughing at Srila Prabhupada. As Bhagavatam stands in Sanskrit it is a perfect marvel of science, but Prabhupada's calling Paramanu as = atom and Anu = double-atom is just plain wrong.

Y/bro

Hrsi

sacred-objects, David Sherk <gadaidasa@. ..> wrote:

>

> My Dear Godbrothers and Godsisters:

> Please accept my most humble obeisances! All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!

> I am very glad that we as disciples of Srila Prabhupada are finally doing something about this great offense to our Spiritual Master. I would like to tell three stories that are personal experiences of mine with Srila Prabhupada and his books. It is my earnest hope that these stories will once and for all lay to rest the controversy of anyone ever editing Srila Prabhupadas books.

> The first story takes place in Mayapur where Srila Prabhupada was talking about why he came to the material world.

> Srila Prabhupada said: He (meaning Krishna) asked me to come here and I said that I did not want to go because it was such a dirty place. He (meaning Krishna) told me if you go I will arrange so many nice palaces for you to live in. I said but I do not want to go. He (meaning Krishna) said you just go and write these books and I will make it comfortable for you. So Srila Prabhupada said because He asked me to write these books I came.

> So here it is quite clear that the main reason why Srila Prabhupada came to this world was to write these books by the order of the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Sri Krishna. Is Jayadwaita a Nitya Siddha eternal associate of the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Sri Krishna who was ordered to come here to edit these books. If not then he should leave the books alone!

> Once in Bombay Srila Prabhupada ordered me to come to his room and listen to him preach to some life members. I sat there and listened for almost an hour. After they left he started to chastise me. Why are you not coming here everyday to listen to me preach. You are one of my leaders if you do not learn how to preach from me then what will happen? Then he quoted a verse in Sanskrit from Bhagavad Gita and asked me if I knew this verse in English, where it was in the Gita, and what the meaning was. I unfortunately had no answers. Are you reading my books everyday? he asked. I admitted my neglect. If you do not read my books everyday then how will you learn? You are going out to make life members and collect big donations but you are not reading my books. You must read my books every day! Then he said Even I read my books everyday. Do you know why? I proffered no answer and waited for the revelation. Because every time I read these books even I

learn

> something! I sat in stunned silence. Then he asked Do you know why I learn something every time I read these books? Now I was completely bewildered Because I have not written these books. What transpired next was simply amazing. He looked me very intently making strong direct eye contact. He spoke with great authority but with a mystical mood bordering on the ecstatic as he began to describe how His books are written. Everyday He said When I sit down here to write these books He was now looking into space waving His hands in the air His voice filled with Transcendental emotion Krishna personally comes and dictates every word. I got the sense that Krishna was present in the room at that moment but I was too blind to see Him. Now Srila Prabhupada returned His eyes to mine Therefore He said Whenever I read these books even I learn something and if you read my books everyday you will also learn something every time you read them.

> So here it is quite clear that just like Valldeva Vidya bhushana and other great Acharyas in our line Srila Prabhupada received direct dictation from Krishna when he was writing His books. Is Jayadwaita receiving direct dictation from the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Sri Krishna when he edits the books? If not then he should leave the books alone!

> Before we move on to the last story we should examine in more detail some of the inner meanings of Srila PrabhupadaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s descent into the material world for the purpose of writing these books. Whenever the Supreme Lord descends he always brings with him his entourage. Similarly when a greatly advanced Nitya Siddha devotee appears in this world a few associates from the spiritual world and many highly developed souls with great amounts of sukriti from the material world come to join him. In a lecture in Los Angeles on the appearance day of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur, Srila Prabhupada wept openly as he told the devotees that they had all been sent here to assist him by His Guru Maharaj. It is not an accident that Srila Prabhupadas style of writing from the early Srimad Bhagavatams was a flowery British English which is derived from the poly-syllabic Mediterranean languages. It is not an accident that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati

Thakur sent

> Srila Prabhupada Hyagriva who was a writer and ardent admirer of the early American transcendentalists like Emerson and Thoreau who wrote in a similar poetic style. It is not an accident that Srila Prabhupada spent hours pouring over the manuscripts, the paintings, etc editing and adjusting everything so it was just right. None of these things are accidents, the pastimes of the pure devotee are transcendental.

> Unfortunately some people have a mundane view of the Spiritual masters activities and think that they can improve on what is already perfect even if there are some so called discrepancies. Even if the verses are imperfectly composed they are transcendentally potent none the less. Does Jayadwaita have any absolute evidence in writing from Srila Prabhupada that approves every single change that he makes? Unless Jayadwaita was sent here personally by Sri Krishna for this purpose or is taking dictation from the Supreme Lord then his adjustments are simply speculation or personal preference. Jayadwaita was not invited into the editing process by Srila Prabhupada. One good reason could be JayadwaitaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s writing style. Jayadwaita favors the short choppy English form influenced by the Viking languages which is used more for business and common literature like magazines and newspapers. This was his style at BTG and that is not acceptable for poetic

scripture.

> Jayadwaitas problem is he just doesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t get it. The Disciples of Srila Prabhupada want that he should leave the books alone!

> He has taken a very slim 1 vote margin of the GBC to fix some typos to changing the entire meaning of the texts. Without Srila PrabhupadaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s personal presence to confirm the changes he is making, from old tapes and manuscripts which have not been accurately cataloged, he cannot be sure that Srila Prabhupada did not already reject those versions in favor of what is already in the book. What we are absolutely sure of is that Srila Prabhupada approved of each book that was printed after extensively reviewing it. Therefore whatever has been signed off on by Srila Prabhupada while he was here on the planet cannot be changed period. You may add an errata or addendum in the back of the book if you have some serious concerns but the actual texts and purports themselves must not be adjusted in any way. To do so is to insult Srila Prabhupada, and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur by doubting their transcendental plan. To do so is to insult Sri

Krishna as the

> Supreme arranger. To do so without a mandate from Sri Guru and Gouranga is to place your own speculation above the Supreme Lord and His Divine emmisaries. Without the Nitya Siddha Pure Devotee present to confirm the changes we are allowing the mental speculation of one man to destroy the absolute nature of the most important scriptures for the next 10,000 years. Jayadwaita leave the books alone!

> Now to Let us see how a purely devoted disciple of His Divine Grace approached the translating and editing process.

> After Srila PrabhupadaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s departure there is a little known pastime, that will not remain so after this letter goes on your website, where Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj helped to reveal the unrivalled perfection of Srila PrabhupadaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s masterful translation of Bhagavad Gita. Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj was given the service by Srila Prabhupada of translating all of His books into the Orissan language. Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj was a great scholar who could write and speak in five languages, Orissan, Hindi, Bengali, English, and Sanskrit. He got his degree in English from the University with a minor in Sanskrit. I lived with Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj in the same room for nearly 3 years. He translated Srila Prabhupadas Bhagavad Gita with the greatest love and devotion and attention for detail. Because of His vast command of languages He was able to notice little details that others may have overlooked. One thing that was a cause of great

transcendental

> concern for Him was the fact that when Srila Prabhupada translated a word from Sanskrit to English it would not be the same if Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj translated the Sanskrit word directly to Oriya. In other words the English word that Srila Prbhupada used to explain the Sanskrit word had an entirely different meaning than the Oriya word that would normally be used as a translation of this same Sanskrit word. Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj was concerned that in translating the literal English into Oriya that many Pandits and Scholars would complain that this was not an accurate translation.

> Since Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj did not want to change one single word of His beloved Spiritual Masters books but at the same time be able to defend the scholarships of His Guru Maharaj beyond the shadow of a doubt, He devised a plan for writing down all of the so called contradictions in a list until he completed the entire work. Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj then went to a little village to see the now retired Sanskrit professor who had taught Him Sanskrit in college. This man was considered one of the foremost authorities on the Sanskrit Language in India having one of the largest personal libraries on the subject, including one of the best collections of Sanskrit to English Dictionaries. Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj knew that this scholars grasp of Sanskrit to English translation would provide him with the evidence he needed to prove the authority of Srila PrabhupadaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s work.

> After about ten days Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj returned to the little mud hut that we lived in with the Sanskrit professor in tow. The Sanskrit professor introduced himself (I apologize but unfortunately I cannot remember his name) and began glorifying His Divine Grace Srila PrabhupadaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s masterful translation work. The Professor told me that he started studying Sanskrit when he was five years old, now in his late 70Ã¢â‚¬â„¢s he had been studying the language for over 70 years. He told me how on the first review of his dictionaries he could not find the translations that Srila Prbhupada had made from Sanskrit to English, but he said that Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj kept encouraging him to keep looking, assuring him that he would find the translation if he looked long and hard enough. The professor said he would have given up if it were not for Srila Gour Govinda Maharajs insistence that His Guru Maharaj had been accurate and that if he looked

hard enough he

> would find it. Then the professor told me that he found each and every translation that Srila Prbhupada had made. The professor told me that these translations that your Guru has made are the most obscure and brilliant explanations of these words from Sanskrit to English that he had ever seen. The professor admitted that with all of his education and training he could not have thought of these obscure and brilliant meanings that so perfectly expressed the inner truths of the mysteries of the Bhagavad Gita. The professor then said having seen this translation work of His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada he was convinced that Srila Prabhupada was the greatest Sanskrit scholar in the history of civilization and must have been directly enlightened by the Supreme Lord Krishna to accomplish this work.

> There is so much to learn from this pastime. The first thing of course is that no one is qualified to edit one single word of Srila PrabhupadaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s books period! Unless he is on the same level as His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada and since it is pretty obvious Jayadwaita is not then he should leave the books alone!

> Now some may say how do we know he is not and the answer to that is the second important lesson that we learn from this pastime. Unlike Jayadwaita who has changed the words of his Spiritual masters books in order to meet with the approval of scholars and professors. The pure devotional attitude of Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj was to elevate the professor by engaging him in devotional service and then bring him up to a spiritual platform so that he could get the mercy of Srila Prabhupada. Instead of acting like and editor and scholar Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj teaches us how to protect and defend the honor of the Spiritual Master through His Pure Devotional mood.

> JayadwaitaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s erasing the words of our Divine Master Srila Prbbhupada and replacing them with his mental speculations reminds me of the story when the Mayavadi scratched out the name of Krishna in the book and replaced it with the word Brahman. Krishna eventually appears before him with scratches on His face the Mayavadi realizes his folly and surrenders to the Lord. Srila PrabhupadaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s books are his transcendental body how much longer are we going to sit back and let his books be abused. If Srila Prabhupada were here and some one was abusing him would we stand by idly and watch it happen! NO! Why do we continue to allow Jayawaita to abuse our Spiritual Masters books. Can we not stand up in the pure Devotional mood of Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj and defend the Honor of our Spiritual Master.

> Let us all work together to restore Srila PrabhupadaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s books to their pristine and uncontaminated glory. Then let us distribute those books again and preach the pure devotional service of the Lord to the innocent masses yearning to be free of the shackles of maya. Let us enter the arena of the material world proclaiming the Glories of the Lord with the absolute conviction that we can only benefit everyone we meet with the highest good. If any demoniac persons try to stop us then we should proudly proclaim like the Christians of old being attacked by the lions in the Roman coliseum that we are the servants of the Lord and our spiritual master and we are fearless.

> Your most worthless servant

> Bhagavat Das

>

September 27, 2009

As per some people if Prabhupad mis-spells a word, then all dictionaries in the world should be changed. And according to many iskcon people, Krishna, Vishnu, etc all mean nothing. Prabhupada is God. It's like the Christians have NO idea what God looks like, so they say Jesus is God (even though Jesus himself would be outraged to be called God) - when he said clearly he was a "Son of God!". But for the Christians God is Jesus, so for the born Christians who joined iskcon are of the same opinion. Never mind Krishna, forget Narayana, Prabhupad IS God! And now God is long dead. So I wonder how we continue to exist?Obviously Prabhupada made many mistakes, and they should all be corrected. I worked on a complete book translation with Prabhupada, so I know how he thinks. There is no mistake Prabhupada would not want fixed. So they should be corrected. He would want that in my

experience.Actually I have seen Prabhupada CHANGE things even on my unimportant suggestion.So "Prabhupada is God" is the Christian inbred DNA of most mletcha converts.Best wishesR-Rick Brown's iPhonewww.richardshawbrown.comOn Sep 27, 2009, at 3:43 PM, tp mods <tpmods wrote:

As per him he will say like what he wrote in his mail."So here it is quite clear that the main reason why Srila Prabhupada came to this world was to write these books by the order of the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Sri Krishna. Is Jayadwaita a Nitya Siddha eternal associate of the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Sri Krishna who was ordered to come here to edit these books. If not then he should leave the books alone!"Richard ji these guys are so rigid that it is like a total waste of time even to

explain simple truth to them,the most unacceptable thing in their sampradaya is they consider Shri Krshna superior than Shriman Narayana!!Avatar philosophy they just cannot digest!--- On Sat, 9/26/09, rsbj66 <rsbj66 > wrote:rsbj66 <rsbj66 > Prabhupada's translation of Canto III, Chap XI, sloka 1 & 5sacred-objects Date: Saturday, September 26, 2009, 4:11 PM

Bhagavat Prabhu,

Dandavat. You mean like THIS? SB translation of Canto III, Chap XI, sloka 1 & 5

SHOULD READ:

SB 3.11.1: (The great sage) Maitreya said: "The smallest particle of material substance, which is indivisible, and has not yet combined with any other similar particles, is called paramanu (a sub-atomic particle of matter). Paramanus always exist both in the dormant and manifest states of material existence. It is the combination of more than one paramanu (sub-atomic particle) which gives rise to the illusory concept of a (material) unit.

SB 3.11.5: A combination of two paramanus constitutes an anu (atom); and three anus (atoms) makes one trasarenu. Trasarenus are visable [to the naked eye] when seen floating upward in the air while viewed through rays of sunlight which enter a room through a latticed window.

BUT...

PRABHUPADA (Pradyamna?? ) VERSION READS: Verse 1 & 5:

SB 3.11.1: The material manifestation' s ultimate particle, which is indivisible and not formed into a body, is called the atom. It exists always as an invisible identity, even after the dissolution of all forms. The material body is but a combination of such atoms, but it is misunderstood by the common man.

SB 3.11.5: The division of gross time is calculated as follows: two atoms make one double atom, and three double atoms make one hexatom. This hexatom is visible in the sunshine which enters through the holes of a window screen. One can clearly see that the hexatom goes up towards the sky.

------------ -->>>

the reason this is important is because of the huge difference. It clearly says paramanu cannot be split, so we know for SURE that Paramanu cannot mean "atom" because atom CAN be split. Do you understand the huge difference between paramanu and anu? Paramanu cannot contain life, but Anu can contain life. So Prabhupada's translation of Canto III, Chap XI, sloka 1 and 5 MUST be changed. Otherwise, in stead of being amazed at Bhagavatam the scientists will be laughing at Srila Prabhupada. As Bhagavatam stands in Sanskrit it is a perfect marvel of science, but Prabhupada's calling Paramanu as = atom and Anu = double-atom is just plain wrong.

Y/bro

Hrsi

sacred-objects, David Sherk <gadaidasa@. ..> wrote:

>

> My Dear Godbrothers and Godsisters:

> Please accept my most humble obeisances! All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!

> I am very glad that we as disciples of Srila Prabhupada are finally doing something about this great offense to our Spiritual Master. I would like to tell three stories that are personal experiences of mine with Srila Prabhupada and his books. It is my earnest hope that these stories will once and for all lay to rest the controversy of anyone ever editing Srila Prabhupadas books.

> The first story takes place in Mayapur where Srila Prabhupada was talking about why he came to the material world.

> Srila Prabhupada said: He (meaning Krishna) asked me to come here and I said that I did not want to go because it was such a dirty place. He (meaning Krishna) told me if you go I will arrange so many nice palaces for you to live in. I said but I do not want to go. He (meaning Krishna) said you just go and write these books and I will make it comfortable for you. So Srila Prabhupada said because He asked me to write these books I came.

> So here it is quite clear that the main reason why Srila Prabhupada came to this world was to write these books by the order of the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Sri Krishna. Is Jayadwaita a Nitya Siddha eternal associate of the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Sri Krishna who was ordered to come here to edit these books. If not then he should leave the books alone!

> Once in Bombay Srila Prabhupada ordered me to come to his room and listen to him preach to some life members. I sat there and listened for almost an hour. After they left he started to chastise me. Why are you not coming here everyday to listen to me preach. You are one of my leaders if you do not learn how to preach from me then what will happen? Then he quoted a verse in Sanskrit from Bhagavad Gita and asked me if I knew this verse in English, where it was in the Gita, and what the meaning was. I unfortunately had no answers. Are you reading my books everyday? he asked. I admitted my neglect. If you do not read my books everyday then how will you learn? You are going out to make life members and collect big donations but you are not reading my books. You must read my books every day! Then he said Even I read my books everyday. Do you know why? I proffered no answer and waited for the revelation. Because every time I read these books even I

learn

> something! I sat in stunned silence. Then he asked Do you know why I learn something every time I read these books? Now I was completely bewildered Because I have not written these books. What transpired next was simply amazing. He looked me very intently making strong direct eye contact. He spoke with great authority but with a mystical mood bordering on the ecstatic as he began to describe how His books are written. Everyday He said When I sit down here to write these books He was now looking into space waving His hands in the air His voice filled with Transcendental emotion Krishna personally comes and dictates every word. I got the sense that Krishna was present in the room at that moment but I was too blind to see Him. Now Srila Prabhupada returned His eyes to mine Therefore He said Whenever I read these books even I learn something and if you read my books everyday you will also learn something every time you read them.

> So here it is quite clear that just like Valldeva Vidya bhushana and other great Acharyas in our line Srila Prabhupada received direct dictation from Krishna when he was writing His books. Is Jayadwaita receiving direct dictation from the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Sri Krishna when he edits the books? If not then he should leave the books alone!

> Before we move on to the last story we should examine in more detail some of the inner meanings of Srila PrabhupadaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s descent into the material world for the purpose of writing these books. Whenever the Supreme Lord descends he always brings with him his entourage. Similarly when a greatly advanced Nitya Siddha devotee appears in this world a few associates from the spiritual world and many highly developed souls with great amounts of sukriti from the material world come to join him. In a lecture in Los Angeles on the appearance day of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur, Srila Prabhupada wept openly as he told the devotees that they had all been sent here to assist him by His Guru Maharaj. It is not an accident that Srila Prabhupadas style of writing from the early Srimad Bhagavatams was a flowery British English which is derived from the poly-syllabic Mediterranean languages. It is not an accident that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati

Thakur sent

> Srila Prabhupada Hyagriva who was a writer and ardent admirer of the early American transcendentalists like Emerson and Thoreau who wrote in a similar poetic style. It is not an accident that Srila Prabhupada spent hours pouring over the manuscripts, the paintings, etc editing and adjusting everything so it was just right. None of these things are accidents, the pastimes of the pure devotee are transcendental.

> Unfortunately some people have a mundane view of the Spiritual masters activities and think that they can improve on what is already perfect even if there are some so called discrepancies. Even if the verses are imperfectly composed they are transcendentally potent none the less. Does Jayadwaita have any absolute evidence in writing from Srila Prabhupada that approves every single change that he makes? Unless Jayadwaita was sent here personally by Sri Krishna for this purpose or is taking dictation from the Supreme Lord then his adjustments are simply speculation or personal preference. Jayadwaita was not invited into the editing process by Srila Prabhupada. One good reason could be JayadwaitaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s writing style. Jayadwaita favors the short choppy English form influenced by the Viking languages which is used more for business and common literature like magazines and newspapers. This was his style at BTG and that is not acceptable for poetic

scripture.

> Jayadwaitas problem is he just doesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t get it. The Disciples of Srila Prabhupada want that he should leave the books alone!

> He has taken a very slim 1 vote margin of the GBC to fix some typos to changing the entire meaning of the texts. Without Srila PrabhupadaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s personal presence to confirm the changes he is making, from old tapes and manuscripts which have not been accurately cataloged, he cannot be sure that Srila Prabhupada did not already reject those versions in favor of what is already in the book. What we are absolutely sure of is that Srila Prabhupada approved of each book that was printed after extensively reviewing it. Therefore whatever has been signed off on by Srila Prabhupada while he was here on the planet cannot be changed period. You may add an errata or addendum in the back of the book if you have some serious concerns but the actual texts and purports themselves must not be adjusted in any way. To do so is to insult Srila Prabhupada, and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur by doubting their transcendental plan. To do so is to insult Sri

Krishna as the

> Supreme arranger. To do so without a mandate from Sri Guru and Gouranga is to place your own speculation above the Supreme Lord and His Divine emmisaries. Without the Nitya Siddha Pure Devotee present to confirm the changes we are allowing the mental speculation of one man to destroy the absolute nature of the most important scriptures for the next 10,000 years. Jayadwaita leave the books alone!

> Now to Let us see how a purely devoted disciple of His Divine Grace approached the translating and editing process.

> After Srila PrabhupadaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s departure there is a little known pastime, that will not remain so after this letter goes on your website, where Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj helped to reveal the unrivalled perfection of Srila PrabhupadaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s masterful translation of Bhagavad Gita. Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj was given the service by Srila Prabhupada of translating all of His books into the Orissan language. Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj was a great scholar who could write and speak in five languages, Orissan, Hindi, Bengali, English, and Sanskrit. He got his degree in English from the University with a minor in Sanskrit. I lived with Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj in the same room for nearly 3 years. He translated Srila Prabhupadas Bhagavad Gita with the greatest love and devotion and attention for detail. Because of His vast command of languages He was able to notice little details that others may have overlooked. One thing that was a cause of great

transcendental

> concern for Him was the fact that when Srila Prabhupada translated a word from Sanskrit to English it would not be the same if Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj translated the Sanskrit word directly to Oriya. In other words the English word that Srila Prbhupada used to explain the Sanskrit word had an entirely different meaning than the Oriya word that would normally be used as a translation of this same Sanskrit word. Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj was concerned that in translating the literal English into Oriya that many Pandits and Scholars would complain that this was not an accurate translation.

> Since Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj did not want to change one single word of His beloved Spiritual Masters books but at the same time be able to defend the scholarships of His Guru Maharaj beyond the shadow of a doubt, He devised a plan for writing down all of the so called contradictions in a list until he completed the entire work. Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj then went to a little village to see the now retired Sanskrit professor who had taught Him Sanskrit in college. This man was considered one of the foremost authorities on the Sanskrit Language in India having one of the largest personal libraries on the subject, including one of the best collections of Sanskrit to English Dictionaries. Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj knew that this scholars grasp of Sanskrit to English translation would provide him with the evidence he needed to prove the authority of Srila PrabhupadaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s work.

> After about ten days Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj returned to the little mud hut that we lived in with the Sanskrit professor in tow. The Sanskrit professor introduced himself (I apologize but unfortunately I cannot remember his name) and began glorifying His Divine Grace Srila PrabhupadaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s masterful translation work. The Professor told me that he started studying Sanskrit when he was five years old, now in his late 70Ã¢â‚¬â„¢s he had been studying the language for over 70 years. He told me how on the first review of his dictionaries he could not find the translations that Srila Prbhupada had made from Sanskrit to English, but he said that Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj kept encouraging him to keep looking, assuring him that he would find the translation if he looked long and hard enough. The professor said he would have given up if it were not for Srila Gour Govinda Maharajs insistence that His Guru Maharaj had been accurate and that if he looked

hard enough he

> would find it. Then the professor told me that he found each and every translation that Srila Prbhupada had made. The professor told me that these translations that your Guru has made are the most obscure and brilliant explanations of these words from Sanskrit to English that he had ever seen. The professor admitted that with all of his education and training he could not have thought of these obscure and brilliant meanings that so perfectly expressed the inner truths of the mysteries of the Bhagavad Gita. The professor then said having seen this translation work of His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada he was convinced that Srila Prabhupada was the greatest Sanskrit scholar in the history of civilization and must have been directly enlightened by the Supreme Lord Krishna to accomplish this work.

> There is so much to learn from this pastime. The first thing of course is that no one is qualified to edit one single word of Srila PrabhupadaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s books period! Unless he is on the same level as His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada and since it is pretty obvious Jayadwaita is not then he should leave the books alone!

> Now some may say how do we know he is not and the answer to that is the second important lesson that we learn from this pastime. Unlike Jayadwaita who has changed the words of his Spiritual masters books in order to meet with the approval of scholars and professors. The pure devotional attitude of Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj was to elevate the professor by engaging him in devotional service and then bring him up to a spiritual platform so that he could get the mercy of Srila Prabhupada. Instead of acting like and editor and scholar Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj teaches us how to protect and defend the honor of the Spiritual Master through His Pure Devotional mood.

> JayadwaitaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s erasing the words of our Divine Master Srila Prbbhupada and replacing them with his mental speculations reminds me of the story when the Mayavadi scratched out the name of Krishna in the book and replaced it with the word Brahman. Krishna eventually appears before him with scratches on His face the Mayavadi realizes his folly and surrenders to the Lord. Srila PrabhupadaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s books are his transcendental body how much longer are we going to sit back and let his books be abused. If Srila Prabhupada were here and some one was abusing him would we stand by idly and watch it happen! NO! Why do we continue to allow Jayawaita to abuse our Spiritual Masters books. Can we not stand up in the pure Devotional mood of Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj and defend the Honor of our Spiritual Master.

> Let us all work together to restore Srila PrabhupadaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s books to their pristine and uncontaminated glory. Then let us distribute those books again and preach the pure devotional service of the Lord to the innocent masses yearning to be free of the shackles of maya. Let us enter the arena of the material world proclaiming the Glories of the Lord with the absolute conviction that we can only benefit everyone we meet with the highest good. If any demoniac persons try to stop us then we should proudly proclaim like the Christians of old being attacked by the lions in the Roman coliseum that we are the servants of the Lord and our spiritual master and we are fearless.

> Your most worthless servant

> Bhagavat Das

>

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September 27, 2009

Dear All,

The most silly part is calling Prabhupada a " Nitya Siddha " eternally-liberated

servant of God. Well, the first 60 years of his life he was a small businessman,

producing less-than-divine children, and who abandoned his wife because she

drank tea. I guess those 60 years don't count!? So what happened? He became a

Nitya-siddha on his 60th birthday? If that's the case then " nitya " has no

meaning. Prabhupada never ever said he was Nitya Siddha, or " All-knowning " or

Sanskrit Scholar, nor Airline Pilot. This has all been heaped on him by his

disciples, whose only claim to fame is him. THEY want to feel important so they

imagine and make-up these lies, just so THEY feel great. He never said any of

those things. I was his personal associate. We always spoke in Bengali. First

hand.

I personally believe that Prabhupada was a Buddha-jiva born believing in

Krishna, and who turned to preaching at an age when his Godbrothers had already

retired. Then he was empowered by Krishna (also known as Narayana) to become a

Sadhu and acharya, and he became Guru-Tattva, and brought Gaudiya Vaishnavism to

the West. And he produced a huge number of books in English with a LOT of help

(ISKCON had practically become the " mafia " in efforts to publish his books). And

got about 5000 disciples. And after his death I have no doubt that Prabhupada is

NOW a part of Nitya Lila, as a " Sadhan-siddha, not Nitya-siddha.

Concerning any difference of Krishna Bhagavan and Narayan Bhagavan. They are the

same Bhagavan, only different lila. Like the Judge is JUDGE in the Courthouse,

but he is Daddy at home. Some of the Vaishnavas have listed 60 special qualities

of Vishnu, but they added 4 additional qualities for Krishna, i.e., Rupa

Madhurya, Guna Madhurya, Lila-Madhurya, and Venu-Madhurya. They say Prema of

Narayana can only reach to Ashwarya-bhava or Majestic love of servant for King

in Vaikuntha; but with Krishna in Goloka, Prema can be higher, such as

Friendship, Parenthood, or Lover. And in Goloka Krishna is not like a majestic

King, he's like a naughty Cowherd boy, Who is always enjoying pastimes in

Vraja-dham with His associates in 5 types of Rasa: 1) Shanta (like a flower in

Vraja), 2) Dasya (servant in Vraja), 3) Shakya (friend in Vraja), 4) Vatsalya

(Parent in Vraja), and 5) Madhurya (like Gopis in Vraja).

So THAT is the only difference. If you want to worship the King in great awe,

then stick with Narayana; but if you want to be friends, parents, or lovers then

better choose Krishna - and Narayana will be fully satisfied, because HE IS

KRISHNA!

Y/s,

R-

sacred-objects , tp mods <tpmods wrote:

>

> As per him he will say like what he wrote in his mail.

> " So here it is quite clear that the main reason why Srila Prabhupada came to

this world was to write these books by the order of the Supreme Personality of

Godhead Lord Sri Krishna. Is Jayadwaita a Nitya Siddha eternal associate of the

Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Sri Krishna who was ordered to come here to

edit these books. If not then he should leave the books alone! "

> Richard ji these guys are so rigid that it is like a total waste of time even

to explain simple truth to them,the most unacceptable thing in their sampradaya

is they consider Shri Krshna superior than Shriman Narayana!!Avatar philosophy

they just cannot digest!

>

> --- On Sat, 9/26/09, rsbj66 <rsbj66 wrote:

>

> rsbj66 <rsbj66

> Prabhupada's translation of Canto III, Chap XI,

sloka 1 & 5

> sacred-objects

> Saturday, September 26, 2009, 4:11 PM

>

Â

>

> Bhagavat Prabhu,

>

> Dandavat. You mean like THIS? SB translation of Canto III, Chap XI, sloka 1 &

5

>

> SHOULD READ:

>

> SB 3.11.1: (The great sage) Maitreya said: " The smallest particle of material

substance, which is indivisible, and has not yet combined with any other similar

particles, is called paramanu (a sub-atomic particle of matter). Paramanus

always exist both in the dormant and manifest states of material existence. It

is the combination of more than one paramanu (sub-atomic particle) which gives

rise to the illusory concept of a (material) unit.

>

> SB 3.11.5: A combination of two paramanus constitutes an anu (atom); and three

anus (atoms) makes one trasarenu. Trasarenus are visable [to the naked eye]

when seen floating upward in the air while viewed through rays of sunlight which

enter a room through a latticed window.

>

> BUT...

>

> PRABHUPADA (Pradyamna?? ) VERSION READS: Verse 1 & 5:

>

> SB 3.11.1: The material manifestation' s ultimate particle, which is

indivisible and not formed into a body, is called the atom. It exists always as

an invisible identity, even after the dissolution of all forms. The material

body is but a combination of such atoms, but it is misunderstood by the common

man.

>

> SB 3.11.5: The division of gross time is calculated as follows: two atoms make

one double atom, and three double atoms make one hexatom. This hexatom is

visible in the sunshine which enters through the holes of a window screen. One

can clearly see that the hexatom goes up towards the sky.

>

> ------------ -->>>

>

> the reason this is important is because of the huge difference. It clearly

says paramanu cannot be split, so we know for SURE that Paramanu cannot mean

" atom " because atom CAN be split. Do you understand the huge difference between

paramanu and anu? Paramanu cannot contain life, but Anu can contain life. So

Prabhupada's translation of Canto III, Chap XI, sloka 1 and 5 MUST be changed.

Otherwise, in stead of being amazed at Bhagavatam the scientists will be

laughing at Srila Prabhupada. As Bhagavatam stands in Sanskrit it is a perfect

marvel of science, but Prabhupada's calling Paramanu as = atom and Anu =

double-atom is just plain wrong.

>

> Y/bro

>

> Hrsi

>

> sacred-objects, David Sherk <gadaidasa@ ..> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > My Dear Godbrothers and Godsisters:

>

> > Please accept my most humble obeisances! All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!

>

> > I am very glad that we as disciples of Srila Prabhupada are finally doing

something about this great offense to our Spiritual Master. I would like to tell

three stories that are personal experiences of mine with Srila Prabhupada and

his books. It is my earnest hope that these stories will once and for all lay to

rest the controversy of anyone ever editing Srila Prabhupadas books.

>

> > The first story takes place in Mayapur where Srila Prabhupada was talking

about why he came to the material world.

>

> > Srila Prabhupada said: He (meaning Krishna) asked me to come here and I said

that I did not want to go because it was such a dirty place. He (meaning

Krishna) told me if you go I will arrange so many nice palaces for you to live

in. I said but I do not want to go. He (meaning Krishna) said you just go and

write these books and I will make it comfortable for you. So Srila Prabhupada

said because He asked me to write these books I came.

>

> > So here it is quite clear that the main reason why Srila Prabhupada came to

this world was to write these books by the order of the Supreme Personality of

Godhead Lord Sri Krishna. Is Jayadwaita a Nitya Siddha eternal associate of the

Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Sri Krishna who was ordered to come here to

edit these books. If not then he should leave the books alone!

>

> > Once in Bombay Srila Prabhupada ordered me to come to his room and listen to