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Dear List members

 

The internet is an unusual tool. It allows us to develop links with devotees

who live in far off places.

 

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<vivekananda

22 March 2000 18:50

namaskar

 

 

> Vivekananda centre ,Londom

> Thank u very much for remembering us.

> We, in Nepal,are running a small private centre since 1995.We do have

> Swamijis visiting us off and on. We hope we can have a Ramakrishna

> Mission centre in Nepal in near future.

> Pls kindly inlist us in your mail .

> Thank u, and Namaskar.

> Badridas Shrestha

> Secretary General

> Ramakrishna Vivekananda Vedanta Society

> PO Box 2956 Kathmandu

> NEPAL

> Tel/Fax; ++977 1 538435

>

>

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hello, thanks for the mail. The need of the hour to make the " others " who believe in violence and war learn that they can not go unscathed. We are trudging the path of peace for too long. You might be surprized by these words but I am a firm believer in Bhagavad Gita, which says : you have to do your duty'

It is Chandra Sekhara Saraswati who said there is a difference between Indiviudal Dharma and Community Dharma. I have always forgiven my personal enemies at office or elsewhere, never thought of harming anyone, including those who have harmed me earlier, even when I have the power and opportunity - in fact, I have helped them and made them realise that there is no greater power than Love, forgivance and repentance. I am seen to be evovled by those who have harmed me earlier. But all this is Indidivual Dharma - I have a duty to reduce my karma and thank those who have harmed me because they are reducing my karma. I do not want to increase my karma by hitting them back, even as I am willing to do so at a mundane level and have the opportunity, power and will to do so. I conquer my temprations at those times.

But what about Community Dharma? Can we be reticent or forgiving and go on speaking of tolerance and unity and patience? This is where the message of Saint Saraswati to Gandhiji that he is confused between Community dharma and individual dharma comes to fore. We need to be a stronger Nation, we need to be more aggressive; As a Nation, we have no business to impose our Individual Dharma onto the Community, because we are answerable to posterity.

By being a weak Nation, we are incurring bad Karma as a Community because our children will be cursing us for making the country an under dog. Thus, the message is clear : Arise, awake, Stop not till the Goal is achieved,This is what Upanishads say, this is what Gita say, this is what Vivekananda said.

I will finish this long discourse with what Bhagavwan Baba said long ago: " Follow the master, Face the devil, Fight to the end, Finish the game " hope you will agree with me, regards,

Kishore patnaik

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The world witnessed Emperor Hirohito of Japan decide to end World War

II and allow Japan to accept the unconditional surrender terms that

were presented to Japan by the Allied Nations as the only way to save

the Japanese people who were being sacrificed on the alter of world

peace to end World War II by using atomic bomb attacks on Japanese

cities after fire bomb attacks had already destroyed several Japanese

cities including Tokyo. By dropping atomic bombs on both Hiroshima

and Nagasaki and stock piling many more atomic bombs in the Pacific

Theater to be dropped on many more Japanese cities, the Allied

Nations were sending a very clear message to Japan and especially to

Emperor Hirohito, that Japan and the Japanese people are completely

expendable to end World War II and the sacrifice of all of Japan and

the sacrifice of most of the Japanese people would be the choice of

the Japanese people and would be the choice of Emperor Hirohito. By

dropping the two atomic bombs on both Hiroshima and Nagasaki during

World War II, the Allied Nations were saying that the world will

sacrifice Japan on the alter of world peace to end World War II. The

same policies were also applied to Germany during World War II and

President Roosevelt, President Truman and General George C. Marshall

would have ordered the atomic bombs to be dropped on German cities if

the D-Day invasion of NAZI occupied Western Europe had failed on the

beaches of Normandy France. No nation on earth can play GOD with

innocent human lives. All nations on earth are completely expendable

in order to achieve an end to the violence, pain and suffering that

those perniciously violent nations inflict against innocent human

beings in other nations. Pakistan is not above the LAWS of common

civilized human decency. Pakistan must receive a very clear message

that the perniciously violent nation of Pakistan is a completely

expendable nation to be sacrificed on the alter of world peace if the

people of Pakistan cannot be serious and if the people of Pakistan

cannot totally end the selfish pernicious violence, painful

suffering, agony and death that the people of Pakistan inflict

against innocent people in India and Afghanistan and against innocent

people in any other nations around the world. The world will be a

much more peaceful world without a perniciously violent Pakistan that

continues to breed, propagate, subsidize, advocate and nurture home

grown domestic terrorist murderers. India does not need to end the

perniciously violent existence of Pakistan. There are several other

nations that can very easily end the existence of Pakistan in only

one hour. As history teaches us, peace is often born and sprouts from

heaps of black ashes and piles of rubble and endless ruins. Pakistan

has a choice. Pakistan can either become a completely non-violent

peaceful nation or Pakistan can become just a very large gigantic

black hole in the ground. For the world, either choice that Pakistan

chooses will guarantee peace where Pakistan IS or where Pakistan WAS.

Hopefully Pakistan will decide to remain a part of the world,

however, that is the decision and the choice of the Pakistani people

to decide. , " kishore patnaik "

<kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> hello,

>

> thanks for the mail.

>

>

> The need of the hour to make the " others " who believe in violence

and war

> learn that they can not go unscathed. We are trudging the path of

peace for

> too long. You might be surprized by these words but I am a firm

believer in

> Bhagavad Gita, which says : you have to do your duty'

>

> It is Chandra Sekhara Saraswati who said there is a difference

between

> Indiviudal Dharma and Community Dharma.

>

>

> I have always forgiven my personal enemies at office or elsewhere,

never

> thought of harming anyone, including those who have harmed me

earlier, even

> when I have the power and opportunity - in fact, I have helped them

and made

> them realise that there is no greater power than Love, forgivance

and

> repentance. I am seen to be evovled by those who have harmed me

earlier. But

> all this is Indidivual Dharma - I have a duty to reduce my karma

and thank

> those who have harmed me because they are reducing my karma. I do

not want

> to increase my karma by hitting them back, even as I am willing to

do so at

> a mundane level and have the opportunity, power and will to do so.

I conquer

> my temprations at those times.

>

> But what about Community Dharma? Can we be reticent or forgiving

and go on

> speaking of tolerance and unity and patience?

>

> This is where the message of Saint Saraswati to Gandhiji that he is

confused

> between Community dharma and individual dharma comes to fore. We

need to be

> a stronger Nation, we need to be more aggressive; As a Nation, we

have no

> business to impose our Individual Dharma onto the Community,

because we are

> answerable to posterity.

>

> By being a weak Nation, we are incurring bad Karma as a Community

because

> our children will be cursing us for making the country an under dog.

>

> Thus, the message is clear : Arise, awake, Stop not till the Goal is

> achieved,This is what Upanishads say, this is what Gita say, this

is what

> Vivekananda said.

>

> I will finish this long discourse with what Bhagavwan Baba said

long ago: "

> Follow the master, Face the devil, Fight to the end, Finish the

game "

>

> hope you will agree with me,

>

> regards,

>

> Kishore patnaik

>

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