Guest guest Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 I just wanted to know one thing that does VEDAs say no to idol worshiping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Why worry so much about it? Some Indian philosophers have said : Moorty_Pooja Adhama_Adhama. I.e it is the low type of worship. On 9/20/08, P. Subramani <subramani6912 wrote: I just wanted to know one thing that does VEDAs say no to idol worshiping? -- Bhalchandra G. ThatteyShubham BhavatuSvalpasya Yogasya Trayate Mahato Bhayat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Which religion states that idolators will "fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time" ? Islam? Sikhism? Judaism? Christianity? GUESS AGAIN....... Yeah, Hinduism - once again the holy Vedas speak: "They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti -- the material cause of the world -- in place of the All-pervading God, BUT THOSE WHO WORSHIP VISIBLE THINGS BORN OF THE PRAKRTI, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time." -- Yajur Veda 40:9. This is merely further confirmed in yet another verse: "The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the universe can have NO MATERIAL REPRESENTATION, LIKENESS OR IMAGE." -- Yajur Veda 32:3. According to Hinduism's sacred & eternal Vedas, idolators (i.e. "but those who worship visible things born of the prakrti") are condemned as perhaps the most wicked entities in Hinduism. "No material representation", i.e. no idols for Hindus lest they rot in "hell"!!Source: Hinduism Unveiled: Forbidden Verses in Hindu Scriptures.--- On Sat, 9/20/08, P. Subramani <subramani6912 wrote:P. Subramani <subramani6912 Idol worshipping!Undisclosed-RecipientDate: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 2:15 PM I just wanted to know one thing that does VEDAs say no to idol worshiping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 OM Namah Sivaya Everyone An Idol-Worshipper There is no reference to worship of idols in the Vedas. The Puranas and the Agamas give descriptions of idol-worship both in the houses and in the temples. Idol-worship is not peculiar to Hinduism. Christians worship the Cross. They have the image of the Cross in their mind. The Mohammedans keep the image of the Kaba stone when they kneel and do prayers. The people of the whole world, save a few Yogis and Vedantins, are all worshippers of idols. They keep some image or the other in the mind. The mental image also is a form of idol. The difference is not one of kind, but only one of degree. All worshippers, however intellectual they may be, generate a form in the mind and make the mind dwell on that image. Everyone is an idol-worshipper. Pictures, drawings, etc., are only forms of Pratima or the idol. A gross mind needs a concrete symbol as a prop or Alambana and a subtle mind requires an abstract symbol. Even a Vedantin has the symbol OM for fixing the wandering mind. It is not only the pictures or images in stone and in wood, that are idols but dialectics and leaders also become idols. So, why condemn idolatry? -----Sri Swami Sivananda Source : http://www.dlshq.org/download/hinduismbk.htm#_VPID_60 Sri Swami Vivekananda stated that since worshipping of the Divine in the form of a stone (i.e Mother Kali) can create a mighty being like Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, we should build as many temples as possible so that the world will be blessed with more spiritual giants. Sivaya Namah--- On Sat, 20/9/08, P. Subramani <subramani6912 wrote: P. Subramani <subramani6912 Idol worshipping!Undisclosed-RecipientDate: Saturday, 20 September, 2008, 7:15 AM I just wanted to know one thing that does VEDAs say no to idol worshiping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 There can be multiple interpretations of these scriptures, but the path to realizing form less god is through god in a form, there are great bhakts like Meera Bai, Ram Das etc who have worshipped form, even great Saint Rama Krishna Paramahamsa has worshipped form and mentioned that the path to higer consciousness and realization is through worshipping god through form, great yogis and teachers teach and follow the same path. In Divine Love, Om Namah Shivaya. Divakar. --- On Sun, 9/21/08, george pillai <george.pillai wrote: george pillai <george.pillaiRe: Idol worshipping! Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 9:43 AM Which religion states that idolators will "fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time" ?Islam? Sikhism? Judaism? Christianity? GUESS AGAIN....... Yeah, Hinduism - once again the holy Vedas speak:"They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti -- the material cause of the world -- in place of the All-pervading God, BUT THOSE WHO WORSHIP VISIBLE THINGS BORN OF THE PRAKRTI, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time." -- Yajur Veda 40:9.This is merely further confirmed in yet another verse:"The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the universe can have NO MATERIAL REPRESENTATION, LIKENESS OR IMAGE." -- Yajur Veda 32:3.According to Hinduism's sacred & eternal Vedas, idolators (i.e. "but those who worship visible things born of the prakrti") are condemned as perhaps the most wicked entities in Hinduism. "No material representation" , i.e. no idols for Hindus lest they rot in "hell"!!Source: Hinduism Unveiled: Forbidden Verses in Hindu Scriptures.--- On Sat, 9/20/08, P. Subramani <subramani6912@ gmail.com> wrote: P. Subramani <subramani6912@ gmail.com>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!Undisclosed- Recipient@ Saturday, September 20, 2008, 2:15 PM I just wanted to know one thing that does VEDAs say no to idol worshiping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Goerge pilleeee. dont quote here and there from vedas,.. study it first.. in which context it is said dont spread your shit christian religion any more enough is enough.. you go to italy along with maino and live with her om Nama Shivaya! --- On Sun, 9/21/08, george pillai <george.pillai wrote: george pillai <george.pillaiRe: Idol worshipping! Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 5:43 PM Which religion states that idolators will "fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time" ?Islam? Sikhism? Judaism? Christianity? GUESS AGAIN....... Yeah, Hinduism - once again the holy Vedas speak:"They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti -- the material cause of the world -- in place of the All-pervading God, BUT THOSE WHO WORSHIP VISIBLE THINGS BORN OF THE PRAKRTI, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time." -- Yajur Veda 40:9.This is merely further confirmed in yet another verse:"The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the universe can have NO MATERIAL REPRESENTATION, LIKENESS OR IMAGE." -- Yajur Veda 32:3.According to Hinduism's sacred & eternal Vedas, idolators (i.e. "but those who worship visible things born of the prakrti") are condemned as perhaps the most wicked entities in Hinduism. "No material representation" , i.e. no idols for Hindus lest they rot in "hell"!!Source: Hinduism Unveiled: Forbidden Verses in Hindu Scriptures.--- On Sat, 9/20/08, P. Subramani <subramani6912@ gmail.com> wrote: P. Subramani <subramani6912@ gmail.com>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!Undisclosed- Recipient@ Saturday, September 20, 2008, 2:15 PM I just wanted to know one thing that does VEDAs say no to idol worshiping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 This is very interesting to say the least" Thou shalt have no other God before me " This same God is hailed as Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent" in ALL religions yet he cannot be present in a Murti ! Hmmm, I sense a strong whiff of pure BS on the part of the ignorant !To the foolish that believe that GOD IS the murti they will surely fall into hell, to the more enlightened that understand a murti is a vessel /focusing device to concentrate upon ( for the purpose of training of the mind ) when they are preparing to offer devotion to that which CANNOT be known using regular human senses, then they are on the basic path that will eventually lead to a more elightened state.--- On Tue, 3/17/09, Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 wrote:Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99Re: Idol worshipping! Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 10:07 AM Goerge pilleeee. dont quote here and there from vedas,.. study it first.. in which context it is said dont spread your shit christian religion any more enough is enough.. you go to italy along with maino and live with her om Nama Shivaya! --- On Sun, 9/21/08, george pillai <george..pillai@ > wrote: george pillai <george.pillai@ >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comSunday, September 21, 2008, 5:43 PM Which religion states that idolators will "fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time" ?Islam? Sikhism? Judaism? Christianity? GUESS AGAIN....... Yeah, Hinduism - once again the holy Vedas speak:"They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti -- the material cause of the world -- in place of the All-pervading God, BUT THOSE WHO WORSHIP VISIBLE THINGS BORN OF THE PRAKRTI, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time." -- Yajur Veda 40:9.This is merely further confirmed in yet another verse:"The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the universe can have NO MATERIAL REPRESENTATION, LIKENESS OR IMAGE." -- Yajur Veda 32:3.According to Hinduism's sacred & eternal Vedas, idolators (i.e. "but those who worship visible things born of the prakrti") are condemned as perhaps the most wicked entities in Hinduism. "No material representation" , i.e. no idols for Hindus lest they rot in "hell"!!Source: Hinduism Unveiled: Forbidden Verses in Hindu Scriptures.--- On Sat, 9/20/08, P.. Subramani <subramani6912@ gmail.com> wrote: P. Subramani <subramani6912@ gmail.com>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!Undisclosed- Recipient@ Saturday, September 20, 2008, 2:15 PM I just wanted to know one thing that does VEDAs say no to idol worshiping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Mr George Pillai can not understand Veda in any language, either in English nor in Malayalam. It looks like he needs basic education in language first.Mr Pillai, before you start criticizing any Veda, become a disciple of an Enlightened Guru and learn it. Veda can not be understood by casual reading. Sincerely, Udayabhanu Panickar aum namaH ShivAya OUR BODY IS THE ABODE OF THE JEEVATMAN, WHICH IS IN FACT THE PARABRAHMAN. LET US NOT MAKE IT A GRAVEYARD. LET US NOT EAT FLESH, LET US BE VEGETARIANS AND STAY HEALTHY. --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 wrote:Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99Re: Idol worshipping! Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 1:07 PM Goerge pilleeee. dont quote here and there from vedas,.. study it first.. in which context it is said dont spread your shit christian religion any more enough is enough.. you go to italy along with maino and live with her om Nama Shivaya! --- On Sun, 9/21/08, george pillai <george.pillai@ > wrote: george pillai <george.pillai@ >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comSunday, September 21, 2008, 5:43 PM Which religion states that idolators will "fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time" ?Islam? Sikhism? Judaism? Christianity? GUESS AGAIN....... Yeah, Hinduism - once again the holy Vedas speak:"They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti -- the material cause of the world -- in place of the All-pervading God, BUT THOSE WHO WORSHIP VISIBLE THINGS BORN OF THE PRAKRTI, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time." -- Yajur Veda 40:9.This is merely further confirmed in yet another verse:"The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the universe can have NO MATERIAL REPRESENTATION, LIKENESS OR IMAGE." -- Yajur Veda 32:3.According to Hinduism's sacred & eternal Vedas, idolators (i.e. "but those who worship visible things born of the prakrti") are condemned as perhaps the most wicked entities in Hinduism. "No material representation" , i.e. no idols for Hindus lest they rot in "hell"!!Source: Hinduism Unveiled: Forbidden Verses in Hindu Scriptures.--- On Sat, 9/20/08, P.. Subramani <subramani6912@ gmail.com> wrote: P. Subramani <subramani6912@ gmail.com>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!Undisclosed- Recipient@ Saturday, September 20, 2008, 2:15 PM I just wanted to know one thing that does VEDAs say no to idol worshiping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 "Hmmm, I sense a strong whiff of pure BS on the part of the ignorant !" I agree. This message (and any attachments) contains information that may be confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or any parts of it, please immediately contact the sender and delete the message from your system. No other person is authorized to copy, forward, distribute, disseminate or retain this message in any form. Ronald Bhola shall not be liable for the incomplete transmission of this message or any delay in its receipt and does not guarantee that this communication is free of viruses, interceptions, and interference. From: dev_maharajDate: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:59:07 -0700Re: Idol worshipping! This is very interesting to say the least" Thou shalt have no other God before me " This same God is hailed as Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent" in ALL religions yet he cannot be present in a Murti ! Hmmm, I sense a strong whiff of pure BS on the part of the ignorant !To the foolish that believe that GOD IS the murti they will surely fall into hell, to the more enlightened that understand a murti is a vessel /focusing device to concentrate upon ( for the purpose of training of the mind ) when they are preparing to offer devotion to that which CANNOT be known using regular human senses, then they are on the basic path that will eventually lead to a more elightened state.--- On Tue, 3/17/09, Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 wrote: Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99Re: Idol worshipping! Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 10:07 AM Goerge pilleeee. dont quote here and there from vedas,.. study it first.. in which context it is said dont spread your shit christian religion any more enough is enough.. you go to italy along with maino and live with her om Nama Shivaya! --- On Sun, 9/21/08, george pillai <george..pillai@ > wrote: george pillai <george.pillai@ >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comSunday, September 21, 2008, 5:43 PM Which religion states that idolators will "fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time" ?Islam? Sikhism? Judaism? Christianity? GUESS AGAIN....... Yeah, Hinduism - once again the holy Vedas speak:"They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti -- the material cause of the world -- in place of the All-pervading God, BUT THOSE WHO WORSHIP VISIBLE THINGS BORN OF THE PRAKRTI, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time." -- Yajur Veda 40:9.This is merely further confirmed in yet another verse:"The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the universe can have NO MATERIAL REPRESENTATION, LIKENESS OR IMAGE." -- Yajur Veda 32:3.According to Hinduism's sacred & eternal Vedas, idolators (i.e. "but those who worship visible things born of the prakrti") are condemned as perhaps the most wicked entities in Hinduism. "No material representation" , i.e. no idols for Hindus lest they rot in "hell"!!Source: Hinduism Unveiled: Forbidden Verses in Hindu Scriptures.--- On Sat, 9/20/08, P.. Subramani <subramani6912@ gmail.com> wrote: P. Subramani <subramani6912@ gmail.com>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!Undisclosed- Recipient@ Saturday, September 20, 2008, 2:15 PM I just wanted to know one thing that does VEDAs say no to idol worshiping? What can you do with the new Windows Live? Find out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 George If you add "NA" to Christ it becomes Christna pronounced as Krishna..........So just believe in one religion and get devouted to it , you will realize God...Unfortunately you donot have enough maturity to understand Vedas Right now. So donot direct our energies in understanding it, it way more than your can handle Om Siva Vasi --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Udayabhanu Panickar <udhayabhanupanickar wrote: Udayabhanu Panickar <udhayabhanupanickarRe: Idol worshipping! Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 5:27 PM Mr George Pillai can not understand Veda in any language, either in English nor in Malayalam. It looks like he needs basic education in language first.Mr Pillai, before you start criticizing any Veda, become a disciple of an Enlightened Guru and learn it. Veda can not be understood by casual reading. Sincerely, Udayabhanu Panickar aum namaH ShivAya OUR BODY IS THE ABODE OF THE JEEVATMAN, WHICH IS IN FACT THE PARABRAHMAN. LET US NOT MAKE IT A GRAVEYARD. LET US NOT EAT FLESH, LET US BE VEGETARIANS AND STAY HEALTHY. --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 > wrote: Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, March 17, 2009, 1:07 PM Goerge pilleeee. dont quote here and there from vedas,.. study it first.. in which context it is said dont spread your shit christian religion any more enough is enough.. you go to italy along with maino and live with her om Nama Shivaya! --- On Sun, 9/21/08, george pillai <george.pillai@ > wrote: george pillai <george.pillai@ >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comSunday, September 21, 2008, 5:43 PM Which religion states that idolators will "fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time" ?Islam? Sikhism? Judaism? Christianity? GUESS AGAIN....... Yeah, Hinduism - once again the holy Vedas speak:"They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti -- the material cause of the world -- in place of the All-pervading God, BUT THOSE WHO WORSHIP VISIBLE THINGS BORN OF THE PRAKRTI, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time." -- Yajur Veda 40:9.This is merely further confirmed in yet another verse:"The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the universe can have NO MATERIAL REPRESENTATION, LIKENESS OR IMAGE." -- Yajur Veda 32:3.According to Hinduism's sacred & eternal Vedas, idolators (i.e. "but those who worship visible things born of the prakrti") are condemned as perhaps the most wicked entities in Hinduism. "No material representation" , i.e. no idols for Hindus lest they rot in "hell"!!Source: Hinduism Unveiled: Forbidden Verses in Hindu Scriptures.--- On Sat, 9/20/08, P.. Subramani <subramani6912@ gmail.com> wrote: P. Subramani <subramani6912@ gmail.com>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!Undisclosed- Recipient@ Saturday, September 20, 2008, 2:15 PM I just wanted to know one thing that does VEDAs say no to idol worshiping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 dear mr george Could you kindly explain why in all the churches the idols of Christ/Mary/Child Yesu. the Cross etc etc is installed. This is just idol worshipping and nothing else. Christianity is old only 2009 years after Yesu. Idol worshipping is already started by Christianity. This is not for arguing. All religions are like that only on passing the time. Let us take the superfine ideas from everywhere. Wish you all the best vijayan --- On Tue, 17/3/09, Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 wrote: Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99Re: Idol worshipping! Date: Tuesday, 17 March, 2009, 10:07 AM Goerge pilleeee. dont quote here and there from vedas,.. study it first.. in which context it is said dont spread your shit christian religion any more enough is enough.. you go to italy along with maino and live with her om Nama Shivaya! --- On Sun, 9/21/08, george pillai <george.pillai@ > wrote: george pillai <george.pillai@ >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comSunday, September 21, 2008, 5:43 PM Which religion states that idolators will "fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time" ?Islam? Sikhism? Judaism? Christianity? GUESS AGAIN....... Yeah, Hinduism - once again the holy Vedas speak:"They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti -- the material cause of the world -- in place of the All-pervading God, BUT THOSE WHO WORSHIP VISIBLE THINGS BORN OF THE PRAKRTI, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time." -- Yajur Veda 40:9.This is merely further confirmed in yet another verse:"The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the universe can have NO MATERIAL REPRESENTATION, LIKENESS OR IMAGE." -- Yajur Veda 32:3.According to Hinduism's sacred & eternal Vedas, idolators (i.e. "but those who worship visible things born of the prakrti") are condemned as perhaps the most wicked entities in Hinduism. "No material representation" , i.e. no idols for Hindus lest they rot in "hell"!!Source: Hinduism Unveiled: Forbidden Verses in Hindu Scriptures.--- On Sat, 9/20/08, P. Subramani <subramani6912@ gmail.com> wrote: P. Subramani <subramani6912@ gmail.com>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!Undisclosed- Recipient@ Saturday, September 20, 2008, 2:15 PM I just wanted to know one thing that does VEDAs say no to idol worshiping? Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 the translation below is accurate. The Key phrase in the sentence below is " in PLACE of God " . In other words, worship of materiality. We should NOT worship material success, land, achievements. However, Hindus worship the form as a REPRESENTATION of God. In other words, if we worship Vinayakar or Murugar, we do so with the understanding that God is Nirguna. When the mind is not Nirgun (or atleast very Sattvic), it needs a form. Saying that one worships the formless is a bit counter-productive when the mind filled with ego, anger, lust etc. All you do is think about the grocery list and arguing on forums. Finally, there are many verses in the Vedas that say that one of the Aghora (greatest) sins is to criticize another person's beliefs. When Shabari bought fruits to Lord Rama, he accepted her offerings with love, though she had first tasted them. The depth of love (bhakti) is much more important than worrying about prakriti and form. This again is the purport of the Vedas. Remember, the Vedas can't be translated and analysed piecemeal. It is not a balance sheet or a project report. You need to contemplate the whole. For this forum, respect is key. Always reply to messages and post messages with love in your heart. The language should be suitable for one's 3 year old child and one's grandmother. Rgds , george pillai <george.pillai wrote: > > > Which religion states that idolators will " fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time " ? > > > Islam? Sikhism? Judaism? Christianity? GUESS AGAIN....... Yeah, Hinduism - once again the holy Vedas speak: > > > > > " They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are steeped in > ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of misery who worship the > uncreated, eternal > prakrti -- the material cause of the world -- in place of the > All-pervading God, BUT THOSE WHO WORSHIP VISIBLE THINGS BORN OF THE > PRAKRTI, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the like) in place > of God are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they > are extremely > foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer > terribly for a long time. " -- Yajur Veda 40:9. > > > > > > This is merely further confirmed in yet another verse: > > > > > > " The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the universe can have NO MATERIAL REPRESENTATION, LIKENESS OR IMAGE. " -- Yajur Veda > > 32:3. > > > According to Hinduism's sacred & eternal Vedas, idolators (i.e. > " but those who worship visible things born of the prakrti " ) are > condemned as perhaps the > most wicked entities in Hinduism. " No material representation " , i.e. no > idols for Hindus lest they rot in " hell " !! > Source: Hinduism Unveiled: Forbidden Verses in Hindu Scriptures. > > > --- On Sat, 9/20/08, P. Subramani <subramani6912 wrote: > P. Subramani <subramani6912 > Idol worshipping! > Undisclosed-Recipient > Saturday, September 20, 2008, 2:15 PM > > > > > > > > I just wanted to know one thing that does VEDAs say > no to idol worshiping? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 I find myself a bit cynical when I read of such sources (forbidden verses??) Unfortunately when we read translations by unrealized folks, these word-storms occur. Please don't waste your life and time reading random sources. If anyone's interested in Idol worship/Hinduism PLEASE start by reading about the life and works of saints. Secondly, Neither heaven nor hell is the goal of the Hindu. Moksha is the goal. All the heavens and all hells are temporary. When you use up your Karmas (good/bad) you come back to the material plane. If you're interested, there are many authentic interpretations (translations are worse than useless) of the Vedas. I would suggest starting with: a. Sri Shankaracharya's Vivekacû & #7693;âma & #7751;i (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viveka_Chudamani) Also please read b. Swamy Sivananda on Idol worship. I'll be happy to upload to the group if anyone's interested. Rgds , george pillai <george.pillai wrote: > > > Which religion states that idolators will " fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time " ? > > > Islam? Sikhism? Judaism? Christianity? GUESS AGAIN....... Yeah, Hinduism - once again the holy Vedas speak: > > > > > " They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are steeped in > ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of misery who worship the > uncreated, eternal > prakrti -- the material cause of the world -- in place of the > All-pervading God, BUT THOSE WHO WORSHIP VISIBLE THINGS BORN OF THE > PRAKRTI, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the like) in place > of God are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they > are extremely > foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer > terribly for a long time. " -- Yajur Veda 40:9. > > > > > > This is merely further confirmed in yet another verse: > > > > > > " The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the universe can have NO MATERIAL REPRESENTATION, LIKENESS OR IMAGE. " -- Yajur Veda > > 32:3. > > > According to Hinduism's sacred & eternal Vedas, idolators (i.e. > " but those who worship visible things born of the prakrti " ) are > condemned as perhaps the > most wicked entities in Hinduism. " No material representation " , i.e. no > idols for Hindus lest they rot in " hell " !! > Source: Hinduism Unveiled: Forbidden Verses in Hindu Scriptures. > > > --- On Sat, 9/20/08, P. Subramani <subramani6912 wrote: > P. Subramani <subramani6912 > Idol worshipping! > Undisclosed-Recipient > Saturday, September 20, 2008, 2:15 PM > > > > > > > > I just wanted to know one thing that does VEDAs say > no to idol worshiping? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Great teachers like Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Paramahamsa yogananada insisted that we should not disrespect idol worship. Their explanation is spiritually evolved people can understand both in form and formless for other people they need some sort of form to build faith and bhakti. It is a matter of preference and comfort, as long as the bhakti is pure it should not matter. In the sameway there is no difference in which god you choose, God only sees sincereity, compassion and love nothing else. Om Namah Shivaya, God Bless, Divakar. --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Raghunath Anisingaraju <realraghu wrote: Raghunath Anisingaraju <realraghuRe: Idol worshipping! Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 10:18 PM George If you add "NA" to Christ it becomes Christna pronounced as Krishna..... .....So just believe in one religion and get devouted to it , you will realize God...Unfortunately you donot have enough maturity to understand Vedas Right now. So donot direct our energies in understanding it, it way more than your can handle Om Siva Vasi --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Udayabhanu Panickar <udhayabhanupanickar @> wrote: Udayabhanu Panickar <udhayabhanupanickar @>Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, March 17, 2009, 5:27 PM Mr George Pillai can not understand Veda in any language, either in English nor in Malayalam. It looks like he needs basic education in language first.Mr Pillai, before you start criticizing any Veda, become a disciple of an Enlightened Guru and learn it. Veda can not be understood by casual reading. Sincerely, Udayabhanu Panickar aum namaH ShivAya OUR BODY IS THE ABODE OF THE JEEVATMAN, WHICH IS IN FACT THE PARABRAHMAN. LET US NOT MAKE IT A GRAVEYARD. LET US NOT EAT FLESH, LET US BE VEGETARIANS AND STAY HEALTHY. --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 > wrote: Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, March 17, 2009, 1:07 PM Goerge pilleeee. dont quote here and there from vedas,.. study it first.. in which context it is said dont spread your shit christian religion any more enough is enough.. you go to italy along with maino and live with her om Nama Shivaya! --- On Sun, 9/21/08, george pillai <george.pillai@ > wrote: george pillai <george.pillai@ >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comSunday, September 21, 2008, 5:43 PM Which religion states that idolators will "fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time" ?Islam? Sikhism? Judaism? Christianity? GUESS AGAIN....... Yeah, Hinduism - once again the holy Vedas speak:"They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti -- the material cause of the world -- in place of the All-pervading God, BUT THOSE WHO WORSHIP VISIBLE THINGS BORN OF THE PRAKRTI, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time." -- Yajur Veda 40:9.This is merely further confirmed in yet another verse:"The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the universe can have NO MATERIAL REPRESENTATION, LIKENESS OR IMAGE." -- Yajur Veda 32:3.According to Hinduism's sacred & eternal Vedas, idolators (i.e. "but those who worship visible things born of the prakrti") are condemned as perhaps the most wicked entities in Hinduism. "No material representation" , i.e. no idols for Hindus lest they rot in "hell"!!Source: Hinduism Unveiled: Forbidden Verses in Hindu Scriptures.--- On Sat, 9/20/08, P.. Subramani <subramani6912@ gmail.com> wrote: P. Subramani <subramani6912@ gmail.com>[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!Undisclosed- Recipient@ Saturday, September 20, 2008, 2:15 PM I just wanted to know one thing that does VEDAs say no to idol worshiping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Hi There Lord Siva takes three types of bodies or forms. In his intrinsie state, He is formless. It is called Arupa state. Out of his immense love or Grace for the souls, He takes forms. Thus is the Rupa state. In between these two states is the 'formless-form' called 'Aruparupa' form. In Saiva Siddhanta philosophy, in His formless state He is called Sivam. In his 'formless-form' state He is called Sathasivam. In His state with form He is called Maheswaran. Out of these three forms, Siva takes nine manifestations for performing His activity. Sivajanasiddhiyar refer to them collectively as navam tharu pethm. They are Sivam, Sakthi, Natham and Vindu of arupa form, Sadasivam of Aruparupa form and Maheswara, Rudra, Vishnu and Brahma of rupa form. Sivalingam is symbolic of Sathasivam. In His Maheswara state Siva takes twenty five manifested forms called Sivamurthams. These forms are seen by the Rishi's in their innere vision and described in Saiva Agamas. Unlike human forms, they are formed by the attributes of Siva's Grace to help us in our contemplation, worship and meditation. In whatever form we worship the God, it is Siva with his Sakthy who confers good to us. Due to His Grace or unlimited love, Siva helps the souls to evolve from their bonded state to freedom and to enjoy divine bliss. He causes creation, preservation and dissolution to be performed by Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra. Creation involves physical bodies, mental and psychological faculties and wordly things. By preservation He helps the souls to gain experience and knowledge during a particular period in this world. By disolution those which were created get transformed into Maya. Birth and death, according to Saiva philosophy, are only transformation from one state to another, from the fine to the gross(from maya to its products) and vice versa. To these three-fold activities, obscuration and confirment of Grace are added and described as five-fold activities. In this, preservation includes obscuration and dissoltion includes confirment of His Grace. Siva, the Absolute, in His state of performing the above functions, is called Pathi. Here, we should remember that Siva is not one of the Trimurtys ( Brahma, Vishnu and Rudra ) who belong to Anubksa or group of spiritually evolved souls. Kaivalya, Kevala, Kutastha, Brahma, Suddha, Siddha, Buddha, Sat-chit-ananda, Chidanandarupah Sivoham Sivoham. Immortality, alone, changeless, Self Pure, perfect, illumined, existence-knowledge-bliss, I am Siva, I am Siva of the form of knowledge and bliss. --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: > Divakara Tanjore <div_tan > Re: Idol worshipping! > > Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 7:49 PM > > > Great teachers like Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Paramahamsa > yogananada insisted that we should not disrespect idol > worship. Their explanation is spiritually evolved people can > understand both in form and formless for other people they > need some sort of form to build faith and bhakti. > > It is a matter of preference and comfort, as long as the > bhakti is pure it should not matter. In the sameway there is > no difference in which god you choose, God only sees > sincereity, compassion and love nothing else. > > Om Namah Shivaya, > God Bless, > Divakar. > > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Raghunath Anisingaraju > <realraghu wrote: > > Raghunath Anisingaraju <realraghu > Re: Idol worshipping! > > Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 10:18 PM > > > > > George > > If you add " NA " to Christ it becomes > Christna pronounced as Krishna..... .....So just believe > in one religion and get devouted to it , you will realize > God...Unfortunately you donot have enough maturity to > understand Vedas Right now. So donot direct our energies > in understanding it, it way more than your can handle > > Om Siva Vasi > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Udayabhanu Panickar > <udhayabhanupanickar @> wrote: > > Udayabhanu Panickar <udhayabhanupanickar > @> > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping! > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 5:27 PM > > Mr George Pillai can not understand Veda in any language, > either in English nor in Malayalam. It looks like he needs > basic education in language first. > > Mr Pillai, before you start criticizing any Veda, become a > disciple of an Enlightened Guru and learn it. Veda can not > be understood by casual reading. > > > Sincerely, > > Udayabhanu Panickar > aum namaH ShivAya > OUR BODY IS THE ABODE OF THE JEEVATMAN, WHICH IS IN FACT > THE PARABRAHMAN. LET US NOT MAKE IT A GRAVEYARD. LET US NOT > EAT FLESH, LET US BE VEGETARIANS AND STAY HEALTHY. > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 (AT) (DOT) > com> wrote: > > > Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 > > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping! > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 1:07 PM > > > Goerge pilleeee. > > dont quote here and there from vedas,.. study it first.. in > which context it is said dont spread your shit christian > religion any more enough is enough.. you go to italy along > with maino and live with her > > om Nama Shivaya! > > > > > > --- On Sun, 9/21/08, george pillai <george.pillai@ > > wrote: > > > george pillai <george.pillai@ > > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping! > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Sunday, September 21, 2008, 5:43 PM > > > Which religion states that idolators will " fall into > an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a > long time " ? > Islam? Sikhism? Judaism? Christianity? GUESS AGAIN....... > Yeah, Hinduism - once again the holy Vedas speak: > > " They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are > steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of > misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti -- the > material cause of the world -- in place of the All-pervading > God, BUT THOSE WHO WORSHIP VISIBLE THINGS BORN OF THE > PRAKRTI, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the > like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater > darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall > into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly > for a long time. " -- Yajur Veda 40:9. > > This is merely further confirmed in yet another verse: > > " The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the > universe can have NO MATERIAL REPRESENTATION, LIKENESS OR > IMAGE. " -- Yajur Veda 32:3. > > According to Hinduism's sacred & eternal Vedas, > idolators (i.e. " but those who worship visible things > born of the prakrti " ) are condemned as perhaps the most > wicked entities in Hinduism. " No material > representation " , i.e. no idols for Hindus lest they > rot in " hell " !! > Source: Hinduism Unveiled: Forbidden Verses in Hindu > Scriptures. > > > --- On Sat, 9/20/08, P.. Subramani <subramani6912@ > gmail.com> wrote: > > P. Subramani <subramani6912@ gmail.com> > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping! > Undisclosed- Recipient@ > Saturday, September 20, 2008, 2:15 PM > > > > > > I just wanted to know one thing that does VEDAs say no to > idol worshiping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Existence of Soul In sleep the body and the mental faculties do not function. We are not aware of anything. On awakening we realise that we had a good or bad sleep. This proves the existence of this entity which we call the Soul. In thoughts, words and deeds men vary from each other. Among the millions and millions of people in the world, one is not the same as another. Even animals, birds and other living beings vary from one to another. Hence we can easily conclude that the Souls are many. According to Saivaism every living being has a Soul and Souls are many. Uyir and Anma are other words for Soul. According to Saivism, God does not create the souls. God only create the physical, mental and psychological bodies for them. He also creates the world and worldly objects required for the souls to act and experience. Limitations of Souls We cannot do everything as we like. Our knowledge is incomplete and often incorrect. Obviously our knowledge, thoughts and actions are limited. This limitation, according to Saivism, is brought about by an entity which acts like an impurity (malam). It is called Anavam. Along with anavam there are two other entities called karma and maya. They also act as impurities and hence the three are collectively called mummalam and sometimes as malam. It is also known as pasam, meaning the material of bondage. Because the soul is bonded by pasam, it is called pasu. Pasu means that which is under bondage by pasam( and not the animal cow which in Tamil is called pasu). The Souls are classified under three categories according to the nature of their bondage. Souls which are bonded by Anavam alone are called Vijnanakalar Anmas. Those bonded by anavam and karma are called Pralayakalar Anmas. Those bonded by anavam, karma and maya are called Sakalar Anmas. We generally belong to this third category. The Pralayakalars and Vijnanakalars do not belong to this world. They belong to the celestial world. Separate from God In the philosophical term, one with knowledge or jnanam is called chit. Like God, the Soul or Anma is also a chit. While God's knowledge is complete and perfect, Soul's knowledge is incomplete and imperfect. Soul knows only when made known. It gains knowledge through its senses and mental faculties. The associated malam impairs its knowledge. God is Wisdom Himself and free from malam and hence is not the same as Souls. Saivism does not accept the view that Soul is part of Brahmam or God. 'Souls are many and separate from God' is the Saiva concept. God has neither beginning nor end. He is eternal. Like God, Souls also have neither beginning nor end. Souls are always like a slave of God. Sundaramurthy Nayanar says that he is an eternal slave of God. Like darkness, anavam obstructs the Soul's capabilities to desire, to know and to act,(ichchai, jnanam and kriyai). Siva, by His Grace, gradually changes this state and enables the soul to free itself from the shackles of anavam. With this purpose He gives birth to every soul and stay ever with it and offer His divine help. Dependence Soul Dependence is the nature of the Soul. It gains worldly experience and leans towards the materials of the world or pasam. Then it acts as an entity of pasam. When the Soul is free from the fetters of pasam or materials of bondage, it gains God's Grace and leans on Him. Then it acts as one with divine qualities. Because of this nature of the Soul, it is said to posses the quality of dependence. This is called 'Sarnthathan Vannamathal' which is an important aspect of Soul in Saiva philosophy. In every birth, man is engaged in good and evil acts. Happiness and sorrow are resultant experience of these acts. Through this experience, he gains knowledge and is able to see things in the correct perspective. He matures spiritually. When this maturity is reached, he understands that the materials of the world on which he was depending is different from him. He is not the physical body or the inner faculties, but the Anma or Soul. The worldly experience he gained is not in accordance with his true nature. It is good to depend on Siva and gain His grace. He realises that behind every experience is God's Grace which is ever with him, and it is benefical to act in God's way. By God's Grace every one of us evolves and ultimately enjoys Divine Bliss. --- On Wed, 3/18/09, VIJAYANJI <vijayankiliyil wrote: > VIJAYANJI <vijayankiliyil > Re: Idol worshipping! > > Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 10:00 AM > > dear mr george > > Could you kindly explain why in all the churches the idols > of Christ/Mary/Child Yesu. the Cross etc etc is > installed. > > This is just idol worshipping and nothing else. > Christianity is old only 2009 years after Yesu. Idol > worshipping is already started by Christianity. > > This is not for arguing. All religions are like that only > on passing the time. Let us take the superfine ideas from > everywhere. > > Wish you all the best > vijayan > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 17/3/09, Krishna Prasad > <rkrishp99 wrote: > > > Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 > Re: Idol worshipping! > > Tuesday, 17 March, 2009, 10:07 AM > > > > > Goerge pilleeee. > > dont quote here and there from vedas,.. study it first.. in > which context it is said dont spread your shit christian > religion any more enough is enough.. you go to italy along > with maino and live with her > > om Nama Shivaya! > > > > > > --- On Sun, 9/21/08, george pillai <george.pillai@ > > wrote: > > > george pillai <george.pillai@ > > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping! > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Sunday, September 21, 2008, 5:43 PM > > > Which religion states that idolators will " fall into > an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a > long time " ? > Islam? Sikhism? Judaism? Christianity? GUESS AGAIN....... > Yeah, Hinduism - once again the holy Vedas speak: > > " They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are > steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of > misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti -- the > material cause of the world -- in place of the All-pervading > God, BUT THOSE WHO WORSHIP VISIBLE THINGS BORN OF THE > PRAKRTI, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the > like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater > darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall > into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly > for a long time. " -- Yajur Veda 40:9. > > This is merely further confirmed in yet another verse: > > " The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the > universe can have NO MATERIAL REPRESENTATION, LIKENESS OR > IMAGE. " -- Yajur Veda 32:3. > > According to Hinduism's sacred & eternal Vedas, > idolators (i.e. " but those who worship visible things > born of the prakrti " ) are condemned as perhaps the most > wicked entities in Hinduism. " No material > representation " , i.e. no idols for Hindus lest they > rot in " hell " !! > Source: Hinduism Unveiled: Forbidden Verses in Hindu > Scriptures. > > > --- On Sat, 9/20/08, P. Subramani <subramani6912@ > gmail.com> wrote: > > P. Subramani <subramani6912@ gmail.com> > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping! > Undisclosed- Recipient@ > Saturday, September 20, 2008, 2:15 PM > > > > > > I just wanted to know one thing that does VEDAs say no to > idol worshiping? > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > http://messenger./invite/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 My Questions to all the Religion in the World who don't believe in Re-Birth or life after Death I can challenge you in Bangalore on national television it was proved by Sri Ramachandra Swamiji by by the Hypnosis technique to Muslims and christens they reviled what and where they were Born in their previous Birth and it was Crossed checked and was found as Truth their previous birth Story what they reveled Existed in reality. So some Religion like Islam and Christianity who don't believe in Re-birth and believe in judgement day keep believing and getting fooled and you shall bee born again to realize GOD The Basic Concept the Base of these major religion was shaken as the Muslims and Christen was just seeing this Naked truth which was Happening in front of them with a Big wide Mouth OPEN Sarvam Shiva Mayam Goutham --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Raghunath Anisingaraju <realraghu wrote: > Raghunath Anisingaraju <realraghu > Re: Idol worshipping! > > Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 7:48 AM > George > > If you add " NA " to Christ it becomes > Christna pronounced as Krishna..........So just believe > in one religion and get devouted to it , you will realize > God...Unfortunately you donot have enough maturity to > understand Vedas Right now. So donot direct our energies > in understanding it, it way more than your can handle > > Om Siva Vasi > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Udayabhanu Panickar > <udhayabhanupanickar wrote: > > Udayabhanu Panickar > <udhayabhanupanickar > Re: Idol worshipping! > > Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 5:27 PM > > > > Mr George Pillai can not understand Veda in any language, > either in English nor in Malayalam. It looks like he needs > basic education in language first. > > Mr Pillai, before you start criticizing any Veda, become a > disciple of an Enlightened Guru and learn it. Veda can not > be understood by casual reading. > > > Sincerely, > > Udayabhanu Panickar > aum namaH ShivAya > OUR BODY IS THE ABODE OF THE JEEVATMAN, WHICH IS IN FACT > THE PARABRAHMAN. LET US NOT MAKE IT A GRAVEYARD. LET US NOT > EAT FLESH, LET US BE VEGETARIANS AND STAY HEALTHY. > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 (AT) (DOT) > com> wrote: > > > Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 > > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping! > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 1:07 PM > > > Goerge pilleeee. > > dont quote here and there from vedas,.. study it first.. in > which context it is said dont spread your shit christian > religion any more enough is enough.. you go to italy along > with maino and live with her > > om Nama Shivaya! > > > > > > --- On Sun, 9/21/08, george pillai <george.pillai@ > > wrote: > > > george pillai <george.pillai@ > > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping! > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Sunday, September 21, 2008, 5:43 PM > > > Which religion states that idolators will " fall into > an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a > long time " ? > Islam? Sikhism? Judaism? Christianity? GUESS AGAIN....... > Yeah, Hinduism - once again the holy Vedas speak: > > " They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are > steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of > misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti -- the > material cause of the world -- in place of the All-pervading > God, BUT THOSE WHO WORSHIP VISIBLE THINGS BORN OF THE > PRAKRTI, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the > like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater > darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall > into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly > for a long time. " -- Yajur Veda 40:9. > > This is merely further confirmed in yet another verse: > > " The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the > universe can have NO MATERIAL REPRESENTATION, LIKENESS OR > IMAGE. " -- Yajur Veda 32:3. > > According to Hinduism's sacred & eternal Vedas, > idolators (i.e. " but those who worship visible things > born of the prakrti " ) are condemned as perhaps the most > wicked entities in Hinduism. " No material > representation " , i.e. no idols for Hindus lest they > rot in " hell " !! > Source: Hinduism Unveiled: Forbidden Verses in Hindu > Scriptures. > > > --- On Sat, 9/20/08, P.. Subramani <subramani6912@ > gmail.com> wrote: > > P. Subramani <subramani6912@ gmail.com> > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping! > Undisclosed- Recipient@ > Saturday, September 20, 2008, 2:15 PM > > > > > > I just wanted to know one thing that does VEDAs say no to > idol worshiping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Absolutely true, re-incarnation is proven beyond doubt by a technique called "Regression Therapy", this techninque is currently used for couneslling some chronic mental conditions. There is a very famous book called "Many Souls and Many Masters" by a practicing psychologis Dr. Weiss that explains the details of re-incarnation, life between lives and ascended masters. Also re-incarnation was initially there in other religions like christianity, but later on the teachings and writings were tampered with and they removed the re-incarnation concept from their techings to mislead people for personal gains. without Re-incarnation concept we cannot explain our current existance, inequalities in our life and most importantly purpose of our life. Om Namah Shivaya, God Bless, Divakar. --- On Wed, 3/18/09, hero hero <goutham_guru wrote: hero hero <goutham_guruRe: Idol worshipping! Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 12:14 PM My Questions to all the Religion in the World who don't believe in Re-Birth or life after Death I can challenge you in Bangalore on national television it was proved by Sri Ramachandra Swamiji by by the Hypnosis technique to Muslims and christens they reviled what and where they were Born in their previous Birth and it was Crossed checked and was found as Truth their previous birth Story what they reveled Existed in reality.So some Religion like Islam and Christianity who don't believe in Re-birth and believe in judgement day keep believing and getting fooled and you shall bee born again to realize GODThe Basic Concept the Base of these major religion was shaken as the Muslims and Christen was just seeing this Naked truth which was Happening in front of them with a Big wide Mouth OPENSarvam Shiva MayamGoutham--- On Wed, 3/18/09, Raghunath Anisingaraju <realraghu > wrote:> Raghunath Anisingaraju <realraghu >> Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 7:48 AM> George> > If you add "NA" to Christ it becomes> Christna pronounced as Krishna..... .....So just believe> in one religion and get devouted to it , you will realize> God...Unfortunately you donot have enough maturity to> understand Vedas Right now. So donot direct our energies> in understanding it, it way more than your can handle> > Om Siva Vasi > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Udayabhanu Panickar> <udhayabhanupanickar @> wrote:> > Udayabhanu Panickar> <udhayabhanupanickar @>> Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 5:27 PM> > > > > > > > > > > Mr George Pillai can not understand Veda in any language,> either in English nor in Malayalam. It looks like he needs> basic education in language first.> > Mr Pillai, before you start criticizing any Veda, become a> disciple of an Enlightened Guru and learn it. Veda can not> be understood by casual reading. > > > Sincerely,> > Udayabhanu Panickar> aum namaH ShivAya> OUR BODY IS THE ABODE OF THE JEEVATMAN, WHICH IS IN FACT> THE PARABRAHMAN. LET US NOT MAKE IT A GRAVEYARD. LET US NOT> EAT FLESH, LET US BE VEGETARIANS AND STAY HEALTHY. > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 (AT) (DOT) > com> wrote:> > > Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 >> Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 1:07 PM> > > > > > > > > > Goerge pilleeee.> > dont quote here and there from vedas,.. study it first.. in> which context it is said dont spread your shit christian> religion any more enough is enough.. you go to italy along> with maino and live with her> > om Nama Shivaya!> > > > > > --- On Sun, 9/21/08, george pillai <george.pillai@> > wrote:> > > george pillai <george.pillai@ >> Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Sunday, September 21, 2008, 5:43 PM> > > > > > > > > > Which religion states that idolators will "fall into> an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a> long time" ?> Islam? Sikhism? Judaism? Christianity? GUESS AGAIN.......> Yeah, Hinduism - once again the holy Vedas speak:> > "They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are> steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of> misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti -- the> material cause of the world -- in place of the All-pervading> God, BUT THOSE WHO WORSHIP VISIBLE THINGS BORN OF THE> PRAKRTI, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the> like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater> darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall> into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly> for a long time." -- Yajur Veda 40:9.> > This is merely further confirmed in yet another verse:> > "The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the> universe can have NO MATERIAL REPRESENTATION, LIKENESS OR> IMAGE." -- Yajur Veda 32:3.> > According to Hinduism's sacred & eternal Vedas,> idolators (i.e. "but those who worship visible things> born of the prakrti") are condemned as perhaps the most> wicked entities in Hinduism. "No material> representation" , i.e. no idols for Hindus lest they> rot in "hell"!!> Source: Hinduism Unveiled: Forbidden Verses in Hindu> Scriptures.> > > --- On Sat, 9/20/08, P.. Subramani <subramani6912@> gmail.com> wrote:> > P. Subramani <subramani6912@ gmail.com>> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!> Undisclosed- Recipient@ > Saturday, September 20, 2008, 2:15 PM> > > > > > I just wanted to know one thing that does VEDAs say no to> idol worshiping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Dear GauthamCould you please some more details about Sri Ramachandra Swamiji and the telecast in National TV.Regardskrish--- On Wed, 3/18/09, hero hero <goutham_guru wrote:hero hero <goutham_guruRe: Idol worshipping! Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 9:44 PM My Questions to all the Religion in the World who don't believe in Re-Birth or life after Death I can challenge you in Bangalore on national television it was proved by Sri Ramachandra Swamiji by by the Hypnosis technique to Muslims and christens they reviled what and where they were Born in their previous Birth and it was Crossed checked and was found as Truth their previous birth Story what they reveled Existed in reality. So some Religion like Islam and Christianity who don't believe in Re-birth and believe in judgement day keep believing and getting fooled and you shall bee born again to realize GOD The Basic Concept the Base of these major religion was shaken as the Muslims and Christen was just seeing this Naked truth which was Happening in front of them with a Big wide Mouth OPEN Sarvam Shiva Mayam Goutham --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Raghunath Anisingaraju <realraghu > wrote: > Raghunath Anisingaraju <realraghu > > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping! > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 7:48 AM > George > > If you add "NA" to Christ it becomes > Christna pronounced as Krishna..... .....So just believe > in one religion and get devouted to it , you will realize > God...Unfortunately you donot have enough maturity to > understand Vedas Right now. So donot direct our energies > in understanding it, it way more than your can handle > > Om Siva Vasi > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Udayabhanu Panickar > <udhayabhanupanickar @> wrote: > > Udayabhanu Panickar > <udhayabhanupanickar @> > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping! > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 5:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Mr George Pillai can not understand Veda in any language, > either in English nor in Malayalam. It looks like he needs > basic education in language first. > > Mr Pillai, before you start criticizing any Veda, become a > disciple of an Enlightened Guru and learn it. Veda can not > be understood by casual reading. > > > Sincerely, > > Udayabhanu Panickar > aum namaH ShivAya > OUR BODY IS THE ABODE OF THE JEEVATMAN, WHICH IS IN FACT > THE PARABRAHMAN. LET US NOT MAKE IT A GRAVEYARD. LET US NOT > EAT FLESH, LET US BE VEGETARIANS AND STAY HEALTHY. > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 (AT) (DOT) > com> wrote: > > > Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 > > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping! > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 1:07 PM > > > > > > > > > > Goerge pilleeee. > > dont quote here and there from vedas,.. study it first.. in > which context it is said dont spread your shit christian > religion any more enough is enough.. you go to italy along > with maino and live with her > > om Nama Shivaya! > > > > > > --- On Sun, 9/21/08, george pillai <george.pillai@ > > wrote: > > > george pillai <george.pillai@ > > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping! > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Sunday, September 21, 2008, 5:43 PM > > > > > > > > > > Which religion states that idolators will "fall into > an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a > long time" ? > Islam? Sikhism? Judaism? Christianity? GUESS AGAIN....... > Yeah, Hinduism - once again the holy Vedas speak: > > "They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are > steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of > misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti -- the > material cause of the world -- in place of the All-pervading > God, BUT THOSE WHO WORSHIP VISIBLE THINGS BORN OF THE > PRAKRTI, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the > like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater > darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall > into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly > for a long time." -- Yajur Veda 40:9. > > This is merely further confirmed in yet another verse: > > "The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the > universe can have NO MATERIAL REPRESENTATION, LIKENESS OR > IMAGE." -- Yajur Veda 32:3. > > According to Hinduism's sacred & eternal Vedas, > idolators (i.e. "but those who worship visible things > born of the prakrti") are condemned as perhaps the most > wicked entities in Hinduism. "No material > representation" , i.e. no idols for Hindus lest they > rot in "hell"!! > Source: Hinduism Unveiled: Forbidden Verses in Hindu > Scriptures. > > > --- On Sat, 9/20/08, P.. Subramani <subramani6912@ > gmail.com> wrote: > > P. Subramani <subramani6912@ gmail.com> > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping! > Undisclosed- Recipient@ > Saturday, September 20, 2008, 2:15 PM > > > > > > I just wanted to know one thing that does VEDAs say no to > idol worshiping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 , hero hero <goutham_guru wrote: > > > Existence of Soul > > In sleep the body and the mental faculties do not function. We are not aware of anything. On awakening we realise that we had a good or bad sleep. This proves the existence of this entity which we call the Soul. > > In thoughts, words and deeds men vary from each other. Among the millions and millions of people in the world, one is not the same as another. Even animals, birds and other living beings vary from one to another. Hence we can easily conclude that the Souls are many. According to Saivaism every living being has a Soul and Souls are many. Uyir and Anma are other words for Soul. > > According to Saivism, God does not create the souls. God only create the physical, mental and psychological bodies for them. He also creates the world and worldly objects required for the souls to act and experience. > > Limitations of Souls > > We cannot do everything as we like. Our knowledge is incomplete and often incorrect. Obviously our knowledge, thoughts and actions are limited. This limitation, according to Saivism, is brought about by an entity which acts like an impurity (malam). It is called Anavam. > > Along with anavam there are two other entities called karma and maya. They also act as impurities and hence the three are collectively called mummalam and sometimes as malam. It is also known as pasam, meaning the material of bondage. Because the soul is bonded by pasam, it is called pasu. Pasu means that which is under bondage by pasam( and not the animal cow which in Tamil is called pasu). > > The Souls are classified under three categories according to the nature of their bondage. Souls which are bonded by Anavam alone are called Vijnanakalar Anmas. Those bonded by anavam and karma are called Pralayakalar Anmas. Those bonded by anavam, karma and maya are called Sakalar Anmas. We generally belong to this third category. The Pralayakalars and Vijnanakalars do not belong to this world. They belong to the celestial world. > > Separate from God > > In the philosophical term, one with knowledge or jnanam is called chit. Like God, the Soul or Anma is also a chit. While God's knowledge is complete and perfect, Soul's knowledge is incomplete and imperfect. Soul knows only when made known. It gains knowledge through its senses and mental faculties. The associated malam impairs its knowledge. God is Wisdom Himself and free from malam and hence is not the same as Souls. > > Saivism does not accept the view that Soul is part of Brahmam or God. 'Souls are many and separate from God' is the Saiva concept. God has neither beginning nor end. He is eternal. Like God, Souls also have neither beginning nor end. Souls are always like a slave of God. Sundaramurthy Nayanar says that he is an eternal slave of God. > > Like darkness, anavam obstructs the Soul's capabilities to desire, to know and to act,(ichchai, jnanam and kriyai). Siva, by His Grace, gradually changes this state and enables the soul to free itself from the shackles of anavam. With this purpose He gives birth to every soul and stay ever with it and offer His divine help. > > Dependence Soul > > Dependence is the nature of the Soul. It gains worldly experience and leans towards the materials of the world or pasam. Then it acts as an entity of pasam. > > When the Soul is free from the fetters of pasam or materials of bondage, it gains God's Grace and leans on Him. Then it acts as one with divine qualities. Because of this nature of the Soul, it is said to posses the quality of dependence. This is called 'Sarnthathan Vannamathal' which is an important aspect of Soul in Saiva philosophy. > I understand how the soul operates, but not where it came from. You say it is not a part of God, what is it? > In every birth, man is engaged in good and evil acts. Happiness and sorrow are resultant experience of these acts. Through this experience, he gains knowledge and is able to see things in the correct perspective. He matures spiritually. > > When this maturity is reached, he understands that the materials of the world on which he was depending is different from him. He is not the physical body or the inner faculties, but the Anma or Soul. The worldly experience he gained is not in accordance with his true nature. It is good to depend on Siva and gain His grace. > > He realises that behind every experience is God's Grace which is ever with him, and it is benefical to act in God's way. By God's Grace every one of us evolves and ultimately enjoys Divine Bliss. > > > > > --- On Wed, 3/18/09, VIJAYANJI <vijayankiliyil wrote: > > > VIJAYANJI <vijayankiliyil > > Re: Idol worshipping! > > > > Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 10:00 AM > > > > dear mr george > > > > Could you kindly explain why in all the churches the idols > > of Christ/Mary/Child Yesu. the Cross etc etc is > > installed. > > > > This is just idol worshipping and nothing else. > > Christianity is old only 2009 years after Yesu. Idol > > worshipping is already started by Christianity. > > > > This is not for arguing. All religions are like that only > > on passing the time. Let us take the superfine ideas from > > everywhere. > > > > Wish you all the best > > vijayan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 17/3/09, Krishna Prasad > > <rkrishp99 wrote: > > > > > > Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 > > Re: Idol worshipping! > > > > Tuesday, 17 March, 2009, 10:07 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Goerge pilleeee. > > > > dont quote here and there from vedas,.. study it first.. in > > which context it is said dont spread your shit christian > > religion any more enough is enough.. you go to italy along > > with maino and live with her > > > > om Nama Shivaya! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 9/21/08, george pillai <george.pillai@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > george pillai <george.pillai@ > > > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping! > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > > Sunday, September 21, 2008, 5:43 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which religion states that idolators will " fall into > > an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a > > long time " ? > > Islam? Sikhism? Judaism? Christianity? GUESS AGAIN....... > > Yeah, Hinduism - once again the holy Vedas speak: > > > > " They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are > > steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of > > misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti -- the > > material cause of the world -- in place of the All-pervading > > God, BUT THOSE WHO WORSHIP VISIBLE THINGS BORN OF THE > > PRAKRTI, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the > > like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater > > darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall > > into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly > > for a long time. " -- Yajur Veda 40:9. > > > > This is merely further confirmed in yet another verse: > > > > " The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the > > universe can have NO MATERIAL REPRESENTATION, LIKENESS OR > > IMAGE. " -- Yajur Veda 32:3. > > > > According to Hinduism's sacred & eternal Vedas, > > idolators (i.e. " but those who worship visible things > > born of the prakrti " ) are condemned as perhaps the most > > wicked entities in Hinduism. " No material > > representation " , i.e. no idols for Hindus lest they > > rot in " hell " !! > > Source: Hinduism Unveiled: Forbidden Verses in Hindu > > Scriptures. > > > > > > --- On Sat, 9/20/08, P. Subramani <subramani6912@ > > gmail.com> wrote: > > > > P. Subramani <subramani6912@ gmail.com> > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping! > > Undisclosed- Recipient@ > > Saturday, September 20, 2008, 2:15 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to know one thing that does VEDAs say no to > > idol worshiping? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > http://messenger./invite/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 dear gautham would you be kind enough to provide some more detials reg sri sri ramachandra swamiji om namah sivaya vijayan --- On Wed, 18/3/09, hero hero <goutham_guru wrote: hero hero <goutham_guruRe: Idol worshipping! Date: Wednesday, 18 March, 2009, 9:14 AM My Questions to all the Religion in the World who don't believe in Re-Birth or life after Death I can challenge you in Bangalore on national television it was proved by Sri Ramachandra Swamiji by by the Hypnosis technique to Muslims and christens they reviled what and where they were Born in their previous Birth and it was Crossed checked and was found as Truth their previous birth Story what they reveled Existed in reality.So some Religion like Islam and Christianity who don't believe in Re-birth and believe in judgement day keep believing and getting fooled and you shall bee born again to realize GODThe Basic Concept the Base of these major religion was shaken as the Muslims and Christen was just seeing this Naked truth which was Happening in front of them with a Big wide Mouth OPENSarvam Shiva MayamGoutham--- On Wed, 3/18/09, Raghunath Anisingaraju <realraghu > wrote:> Raghunath Anisingaraju <realraghu >> Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 7:48 AM> George> > If you add "NA" to Christ it becomes> Christna pronounced as Krishna..... .....So just believe> in one religion and get devouted to it , you will realize> God...Unfortunately you donot have enough maturity to> understand Vedas Right now. So donot direct our energies> in understanding it, it way more than your can handle> > Om Siva Vasi > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Udayabhanu Panickar> <udhayabhanupanickar @> wrote:> > Udayabhanu Panickar> <udhayabhanupanickar @>> Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 5:27 PM> > > > > > > > > > > Mr George Pillai can not understand Veda in any language,> either in English nor in Malayalam. It looks like he needs> basic education in language first.> > Mr Pillai, before you start criticizing any Veda, become a> disciple of an Enlightened Guru and learn it. Veda can not> be understood by casual reading. > > > Sincerely,> > Udayabhanu Panickar> aum namaH ShivAya> OUR BODY IS THE ABODE OF THE JEEVATMAN, WHICH IS IN FACT> THE PARABRAHMAN. LET US NOT MAKE IT A GRAVEYARD. LET US NOT> EAT FLESH, LET US BE VEGETARIANS AND STAY HEALTHY. > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 (AT) (DOT) > com> wrote:> > > Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 >> Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 1:07 PM> > > > > > > > > > Goerge pilleeee.> > dont quote here and there from vedas,.. study it first.. in> which context it is said dont spread your shit christian> religion any more enough is enough.. you go to italy along> with maino and live with her> > om Nama Shivaya!> > > > > > --- On Sun, 9/21/08, george pillai <george.pillai@> > wrote:> > > george pillai <george.pillai@ >> Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!> om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> Sunday, September 21, 2008, 5:43 PM> > > > > > > > > > Which religion states that idolators will "fall into> an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a> long time" ?> Islam? Sikhism? Judaism? Christianity? GUESS AGAIN.......> Yeah, Hinduism - once again the holy Vedas speak:> > "They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are> steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of> misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti -- the> material cause of the world -- in place of the All-pervading> God, BUT THOSE WHO WORSHIP VISIBLE THINGS BORN OF THE> PRAKRTI, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the> like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater> darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall> into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly> for a long time." -- Yajur Veda 40:9.> > This is merely further confirmed in yet another verse:> > "The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the> universe can have NO MATERIAL REPRESENTATION, LIKENESS OR> IMAGE." -- Yajur Veda 32:3.> > According to Hinduism's sacred & eternal Vedas,> idolators (i.e. "but those who worship visible things> born of the prakrti") are condemned as perhaps the most> wicked entities in Hinduism. "No material> representation" , i.e. no idols for Hindus lest they> rot in "hell"!!> Source: Hinduism Unveiled: Forbidden Verses in Hindu> Scriptures.> > > --- On Sat, 9/20/08, P.. Subramani <subramani6912@> gmail.com> wrote:> > P. Subramani <subramani6912@ gmail.com>> [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!> Undisclosed- Recipient@ > Saturday, September 20, 2008, 2:15 PM> > > > > > I just wanted to know one thing that does VEDAs say no to> idol worshiping? Explore your hobbies and interests. Click here to begin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 --- On Wed, 18/3/09, Krshnamurthi CS <krishee2000 wrote:Krshnamurthi CS <krishee2000Re: Idol worshipping! Date: Wednesday, 18 March, 2009, 11:44 PM Dear GauthamCould you please some more details about Sri Ramachandra Swamiji and the telecast in National TV.Regardskrish--- On Wed, 3/18/09, hero hero <goutham_guru@ > wrote:hero hero <goutham_guru@ >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping!om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, March 18, 2009, 9:44 PM My Questions to all the Religion in the World who don't believe in Re-Birth or life after Death I can challenge you in Bangalore on national television it was proved by Sri Ramachandra Swamiji by by the Hypnosis technique to Muslims and christens they reviled what and where they were Born in their previous Birth and it was Crossed checked and was found as Truth their previous birth Story what they reveled Existed in reality. So some Religion like Islam and Christianity who don't believe in Re-birth and believe in judgement day keep believing and getting fooled and you shall bee born again to realize GOD The Basic Concept the Base of these major religion was shaken as the Muslims and Christen was just seeing this Naked truth which was Happening in front of them with a Big wide Mouth OPEN Sarvam Shiva Mayam Goutham --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Raghunath Anisingaraju <realraghu > wrote: > Raghunath Anisingaraju <realraghu > > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping! > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 7:48 AM > George > > If you add " NA " to Christ it becomes > Christna pronounced as Krishna..... .....So just believe > in one religion and get devouted to it , you will realize > God...Unfortunately you donot have enough maturity to > understand Vedas Right now. So donot direct our energies > in understanding it, it way more than your can handle > > Om Siva Vasi > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Udayabhanu Panickar > <udhayabhanupanickar @> wrote: > > Udayabhanu Panickar > <udhayabhanupanickar @> > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping! > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 5:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Mr George Pillai can not understand Veda in any language, > either in English nor in Malayalam. It looks like he needs > basic education in language first. > > Mr Pillai, before you start criticizing any Veda, become a > disciple of an Enlightened Guru and learn it. Veda can not > be understood by casual reading. > > > Sincerely, > > Udayabhanu Panickar > aum namaH ShivAya > OUR BODY IS THE ABODE OF THE JEEVATMAN, WHICH IS IN FACT > THE PARABRAHMAN. LET US NOT MAKE IT A GRAVEYARD. LET US NOT > EAT FLESH, LET US BE VEGETARIANS AND STAY HEALTHY. > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 (AT) (DOT) > com> wrote: > > > Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 > > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping! > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 1:07 PM > > > > > > > > > > Goerge pilleeee. > > dont quote here and there from vedas,.. study it first.. in > which context it is said dont spread your shit christian > religion any more enough is enough.. you go to italy along > with maino and live with her > > om Nama Shivaya! > > > > > > --- On Sun, 9/21/08, george pillai <george.pillai@ > > wrote: > > > george pillai <george.pillai@ > > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping! > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > Sunday, September 21, 2008, 5:43 PM > > > > > > > > > > Which religion states that idolators will " fall into > an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a > long time " ? > Islam? Sikhism? Judaism? Christianity? GUESS AGAIN....... > Yeah, Hinduism - once again the holy Vedas speak: > > " They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are > steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of > misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti -- the > material cause of the world -- in place of the All-pervading > God, BUT THOSE WHO WORSHIP VISIBLE THINGS BORN OF THE > PRAKRTI, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the > like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater > darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall > into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly > for a long time. " -- Yajur Veda 40:9. > > This is merely further confirmed in yet another verse: > > " The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the > universe can have NO MATERIAL REPRESENTATION, LIKENESS OR > IMAGE. " -- Yajur Veda 32:3. > > According to Hinduism's sacred & eternal Vedas, > idolators (i.e. " but those who worship visible things > born of the prakrti " ) are condemned as perhaps the most > wicked entities in Hinduism. " No material > representation " , i.e. no idols for Hindus lest they > rot in " hell " !! > Source: Hinduism Unveiled: Forbidden Verses in Hindu > Scriptures. > > > --- On Sat, 9/20/08, P.. Subramani <subramani6912@ > gmail.com> wrote: > > P. Subramani <subramani6912@ gmail.com> > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping! > Undisclosed- Recipient@ > Saturday, September 20, 2008, 2:15 PM > > > > > > I just wanted to know one thing that does VEDAs say no to > idol worshiping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3AygD56BxY & feature=channel_page here is the link if at all you want to Know how he looks Now Muslims and christen are living in confusion in Bangalore with their heads Down There is No Doubt and Point of thinking of other Religion and their Man written concepts Even in Hinduism There is One God Siva and he only can provide you Salvation Jeevan Mukti Lord Siva is the Supreme Reality The one without a second—Ekameva Advitiyam. Siva alone exists in Himself. He is the Impersonal Absolute Brahman. He cannot be seen by the eyes but He can be realised within the heart through devotion and meditation,Lord Shiva is the God of all and is worshipped by All, From Devas (Gods) SUCH AS Lord Brahma,Lord Vishnu,Lord Rama, Sri Krishna,Ganesha..... By Asuras (Demons) like Bana, Ravana,By(Humans) like Adi Shankara, Nayanars,By (Creatures) such as Jatayu, an eagle, Vali,an ape, and the list goes on and on. Furthermore, the site states that people of different backgrounds and qualities worship the Shiva,with many temples having histories of even cranes,bees, elephants,Kalahasti,spiders,sn akes,worshipping Shiva and getting blessed. It concludes that the Lord,as the Supreme one,blesses anyone who worships him in sincere devotion as there is No Discrimination on who the seeker is. --- On Thu, 3/19/09, VIJAYANJI <vijayankiliyil wrote: > VIJAYANJI <vijayankiliyil > Re: Idol worshipping! > goutham_guru > Cc: > Thursday, March 19, 2009, 10:23 AM > dear gautham > > would you be kind enough to provide some more > detials reg sri sri ramachandra swamiji >  > om namah sivaya > vijayan >  > > --- On Wed, 18/3/09, hero hero > <goutham_guru wrote: > > > hero hero <goutham_guru > Re: Idol worshipping! > > Wednesday, 18 March, 2009, 9:14 AM > My Questions to all the Religion in the World who don't > believe in Re-Birth or life after Death I can challenge you > in Bangalore on national television it was proved by Sri > Ramachandra Swamiji by by the Hypnosis technique to Muslims > and christens they reviled what and where they were Born in > their previous Birth and it was Crossed checked and was > found as Truth their previous birth Story what they reveled > Existed in reality. > > So some Religion like Islam and Christianity who don't > believe in Re-birth and believe in judgement day keep > believing and getting fooled and you shall bee born again to > realize GOD > > The Basic Concept the Base of these major religion was > shaken as the Muslims and Christen was just seeing this > Naked truth which was Happening in front of them with a Big > wide Mouth OPEN > > Sarvam Shiva Mayam > > Goutham > > --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Raghunath Anisingaraju > <realraghu > wrote: > > > Raghunath Anisingaraju <realraghu (AT) (DOT) > com> > > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol > worshipping! > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > > Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 7:48 AM > > George > >  > > If you add " NA " to Christ it becomes > > Christna  pronounced as Krishna..... .....So just > believe > > in one religion and get devouted to it , you will > realize > > God...Unfortunately you donot have enough maturity to > > understand Vedas Right now. So donot direct our > energies > > in understanding it, it way more than your can handle > >  > > Om Siva Vasi > > > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Udayabhanu Panickar > > <udhayabhanupanickar @> wrote: > > > > Udayabhanu Panickar > > <udhayabhanupanickar @> > > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol > worshipping! > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > > Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 5:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr George Pillai can not understand Veda in any > language, > > either in English nor in Malayalam. It looks like he > needs > > basic education in language first. > > > > Mr Pillai, before you start criticizing any Veda, > become a > > disciple of an Enlightened Guru and learn it. Veda can > not > > be understood by casual reading. > > > > > > Sincerely, > >  > > Udayabhanu Panickar > > aum namaH ShivAya > > OUR BODY IS THE ABODE OF THE JEEVATMAN, WHICH IS IN > FACT > > THE PARABRAHMAN. LET US NOT MAKE IT A GRAVEYARD. LET > US NOT > > EAT FLESH, LET US BE VEGETARIANS AND STAY HEALTHY. > > > > --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Krishna Prasad > <rkrishp99 (AT) (DOT) > > com> wrote: > > > > > > Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 > > > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol > worshipping! > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > > Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 1:07 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Goerge pilleeee. > >  > > dont quote here and there from vedas,.. study it > first.. in > > which context it is said dont spread your shit > christian > > religion any more enough is enough.. you go to italy > along > > with maino and live with her > >  > > om Nama Shivaya! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 9/21/08, george pillai <george.pillai@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > george pillai <george.pillai@ > > > Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol > worshipping! > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > > Sunday, September 21, 2008, 5:43 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which religion states that idolators will " fall > into > > an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly > for a > > long time " ? > > Islam? Sikhism? Judaism? Christianity? GUESS > AGAIN....... > > Yeah, Hinduism - once again the holy Vedas speak: > > > > " They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, > are > > steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths > of > > misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti -- > the > > material cause of the world -- in place of the > All-pervading > > God, BUT THOSE WHO WORSHIP VISIBLE THINGS BORN OF THE > > PRAKRTI, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and > the > > like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater > > darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, > fall > > into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer > terribly > > for a long time. " -- Yajur Veda 40:9. > > > > This is merely further confirmed in yet another verse: > > > > " The Formless Supreme Spirit that pervades the > > universe can have NO MATERIAL REPRESENTATION, LIKENESS > OR > > IMAGE. " -- Yajur Veda 32:3. > > > > According to Hinduism's sacred & eternal > Vedas, > > idolators (i.e. " but those who worship visible > things > > born of the prakrti " ) are condemned as perhaps > the most > > wicked entities in Hinduism. " No material > > representation " , i.e. no idols for Hindus lest > they > > rot in " hell " !! > > Source: Hinduism Unveiled: Forbidden Verses in Hindu > > Scriptures. > > > > > > --- On Sat, 9/20/08, P.. Subramani <subramani6912@ > > gmail.com> wrote: > > > > P. Subramani <subramani6912@ gmail.com> > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Idol worshipping! > > Undisclosed- Recipient@ > > Saturday, September 20, 2008, 2:15 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to know one thing that does VEDAs say no > to > > idol worshiping? > > > > > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to > http://in.promos./groups/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Om Namah Sivaya Discourse by Swami Vivekanada "The idea of a Personal God has obtained in almost every religion, except a very few. With the exception of the Buddhist and the Jain, perhaps all the religions of the world have the idea of a Personal God, and with it comes the idea of devotion and worship. The Buddhists and the Jains, although they have no Personal God, worship the founders of their religions in precisely the same way as others worship a Personal God. This idea of devotion and worship to some higher being who can reflect back the love to man is universal. In various religions this love and devotion is manifested in various degrees, at different stages. The lowest stage is that of ritualism, when abstract ideas are almost impossible, and are dragged down to the lowest plane, and made concrete. Forms come into play, and, along with them, various symbols. Throughout the history of the world, we find that man is trying to grasp the abstract through thought-forms, or symbols. All the external manifestations of religion — bells, music, rituals, books, and images — come under that head. Anything that appeals to the senses, anything that helps man to form a concrete image of the abstract, is taken hold of, and worshipped. From time to time, there have been reformers in every religion who have stood against all symbols and rituals. But vain has been their opposition, for so long as man will remain as he is, the vast majority will always want something concrete to hold on to, something around which, as it were, to place their ideas, something which will be the centre of all the thought-forms in their minds. The great attempts of the Mohammedans and of the Protestants have been directed to this one end, of doing away with all rituals, and yet we find that even with them, rituals have crept in. They cannot be kept out; after long struggle, the masses simply change one symbol for another. The Mohammedan, who thinks that every ritual, every form, image, or ceremony, used by a non-Mohammedan is sinful, does not think so when he comes to his own shrine, the Caaba. Every religious Mohammedan wherever he prays, must imagine that he is standing before the Caaba. When he makes a pilgrimage there, he must kiss the black stone in the wall of the shrine. All the kisses that have been imprinted on that stone, by millions and millions of pilgrims, will stand up as witnesses for the benefit of the faithful on the last day of judgment. Then, there is the well of Zimzim. Mohammedans believe that whoever draws a little water out of that well will have his sins pardoned, and he will, after the day of resurrection, have a fresh body, and live for ever. In others, we find that the symbology comes in the form of buildings. Protestants hold that churches are more sacred than other places. The church, as it is, stands for a symbol. Or there is the Book. The idea of the Book to them, is much holier than any other symbol. It is vain to preach against the use of symbols, and why should we preach against them? There is no reason why man should not use symbols. They have them in order to represent the ideas signified behind them. This universe is a symbol, in and through which we are trying to grasp the thing signified, which is beyond and behind. The spirit is the goal, and not matter. Forms, images, bells, candles, books, churches, temples, and all holy symbols are very good, very helpful to the growing plant of spirituality, but thus far and no farther. In the test majority of cases, we find that the plant does not grow. It is very good to he born in a church, but it is very bad to die in a church. It is very good to be born within the limits of certain forms that help the little plant of spirituality, but if a man dies within the bounds of these forms, it shows that he has not grown, that there has been no development of the soul. " Sivaya Namah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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