Guest guest Posted August 3, 1999 Report Share Posted August 3, 1999 Namaste Tom, Is the LP still available? Or at least has it been pressed into CD? Thanks. Om Shanti Kathi > > omtatsat [sMTP:omtatsat] > Monday, August 02, 1999 8:58 PM > ramakrishna > [ramakrishna] JAPA > > <omtatsat > > Hello again Everyone ! > > Swami Yogeshananda Hari Om! > > Re: JAPA > > I have on Vinyl lp, a copy of Swami Satchitananda's 1970 album, which > includes chanting by > students of the Integral Yoga Institute. I have transfered the 'chanting' > [22-24 minutes] to casette > tape and I will ask my son, who has the necessary equipment, to format it, > to a 'wave' audio file. > > Then I will be able, by the grace of MahaShakti, to share this with all of > you ! > > For my own purposes, I have 'looped' the material on a 120 min. Casette > [60 min each side]...I find this to be > an excellent way to keep the mind concentrated on God and His / Her > Glories. > > Please advise, if you want me to forward this " wave file " to you. > It will probably be a 'monster' file to download....let's see. > > Let's keep it a secret amongst ourselves, please.....you wouldn't > want to see Tom being dragged out of his cave, to face prosecution > for copyright violation.....would you? > > Sometimes it's better not to ask questions like that. > > > > Om shanthi om > > Tom Just an amusing thought: > > > PS: Re Copyright.......Have you noticed how 'touchy' the > Americans are concerning this ?.....and yet, they are > the 'masters' of copywrite violation. During the last > century, their flagrant disregard of British Copyright > Laws, was made obvious by the many lakhs of 'bootleg' > editions published in USA, of the works of the celebrated > British Author, Charles Dickens. > > > > > > ____ > 123India - India's Premier Search Engine > Get your Free Email Account at http://www.123india.com > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Show your ONElist SPIRIT! > /store/tshirts.html > With a new ONElist SHIRT available through our website. > > ------ > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 1999 Report Share Posted August 4, 1999 You mean, those novels I had to read in high school were illegal???? :-) -- Karen > > PS: Re Copyright.......Have you noticed how 'touchy' the > Americans are concerning this ?.....and yet, they are > the 'masters' of copywrite violation. During the last > century, their flagrant disregard of British Copyright > Laws, was made obvious by the many lakhs of 'bootleg' > editions published in USA, of the works of the celebrated > British Author, Charles Dickens. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 1999 Report Share Posted August 6, 1999 --- omtatsat wrote: > <omtatsat > > > Re: JAPA recording on Wave file I find it to be an excelant service to all of us if wav file or mp3/midi file is made. This being a simple voice, mono recording with min. sample rate etc. may not take more than 10MB a file size which can be handled. Further if it is a chanting and repeatation of the same, only a part can be recoded and sent we can reconstruct it later or can be sent in cut form etc. We are eager to listen to the file. Pranam Saradaranjan > > > === Please acnowledge. Regards, S R Das, Sr Director Head, Health & Biotech Div., DoE ___________ Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 Ma Saradadevi says: " Japat Siddhi " , meaning the Japa is a Yoga in itself which can lead to God Realization. c s shah http://www.geocities.com/neovedanta/a14.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Hello Bhakta Stephen There are lots of ways to reach to the Lord and which ever way (any religion) you follow but with honesty and sincerity it will take you to the Lord. What is this Destiny? MOKSHA or Mukti should be everyone's destiny the ultimate spiritual goal, designating the individual soul's release from the bonds (bandha) of transmigration. The soul, once entered upon a bodily existence, remains trapped in a chain of successive rebirths (samsara) until it has reached perfection or the enlightenment that allows it release, or moksha. The methods by which release is sought after and attained differ, but most consider moksha to be a person's highest purpose in life. God Bless , " Bummer1962 " <bummer1962 wrote: > > Namaste! > You said ' " Om Namah Shivaya " is the ultimate mantra that will take you to your destiny '. What is this destiny? Christians have a heaven with streets of gold and pearly gates. What is the ultimate destiny of one who chants this most holy mantra? > > Pranams > Bhakta Stephen > > , " RAHUL " <toneyrahulsharma@> wrote: > > > > Hello Sujeet > > > > Please read previous message by Divakar Ji > > > > As specified by Sri Ketan Bhai " Om Namah Shivaya " is the ultimate > > mantra that will take you to your destiny, Try to chant this mantra > > as much as you can, if you cannot find a guru or teacher to initiate > > you or start you on the mantra then ask Lord Shiva to be your guru > > and start off on that. > > > > This is a simple yet powerful mantra, you can chant it at anytime > > you like, slowly make it a habit to chant this mantra, dont force > > yourself. > > > > I have a story to share > > > > The Mantra Om Mani Padme Hum > > > > The True Sound of Truth > > > > An old story speaks about a similar problem. A devoted meditator, > > after years concentrating on a particular mantra, had attained > > enough insight to begin teaching. The student's humility was far > > from perfect, but the teachers at the monastery were not worried. > > > > A few years of successful teaching left the meditator with no > > thoughts about learning from anyone; but upon hearing about a famous > > hermit living nearby, the opportunity was too exciting to be passed > > up. > > > > The hermit lived alone on an island at the middle of a lake, so the > > meditator hired a man with a boat to row across to the island. The > > meditator was very respectful of the old hermit. As they shared some > > tea made with herbs the meditator asked him about his spiritual > > practice. The old man said he had no spiritual practice, except for > > a mantra which he repeated all the time to himself. The meditator > > was pleased: the hermit was using the same mantra he used himself -- > > but when the hermit spoke the mantra aloud, the meditator was > > horrified! > > > > " What's wrong? " asked the hermit. > > > > " I don't know what to say. I'm afraid you've wasted your whole life! > > You are pronouncing the mantra incorrectly! " > > > > " Oh, Dear! That is terrible. How should I say it? " > > > > The meditator gave the correct pronunciation, and the old hermit was > > very grateful, asking to be left alone so he could get started right > > away. On the way back across the lake the meditator, now confirmed > > as an accomplished teacher, was pondering the sad fate of the > > hermit. > > > > " It's so fortunate that I came along. At least he will have a little > > time to practice correctly before he dies. " Just then, the meditator > > noticed that the boatman was looking quite shocked, and turned to > > see the hermit standing respectfully on the water, next to the > > boat. > > > > " Excuse me, please. I hate to bother you, but I've forgotten the > > correct pronunciation again. Would you please repeat it for me? " > > > > " You obviously don't need it, " stammered the meditator; but the old > > man persisted in his polite request until the meditator relented and > > told him again the way he thought the mantra should be pronounced. > > > > The old hermit was saying the mantra very carefully, slowly, over > > and over, as he walked across the surface of the water back to the > > island. > > > > God Bless > > > > , sujeet pillai > > <sujeet_jimmy@> wrote: > > > > > > I have a question? > > > > > > It is said that a mantra that is not given by a guru has no effect > > on the sadhak who does jap of the same.What if I want to Japa the > > mantra : Aum Namah Shivaya?R there any rules?Do i need a guru ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > eaglesong23 <eaglesong23@> > > > > > > Saturday, 28 February, 2009 12:25:36 PM > > > Re: Aghora > > > > > > > > > Namaste,Arjun- ji > > > I have just very recently became a member > > > of this group and already learning alot > > > of good knowledge. > > > I thank you for posting this information. > > > Near my city is a large Hindu temple > > > but Iam nervous about approaching the Swami-ji > > > with my being a white westerner. > > > Iam new to Hinduism > > > Om Namah Shivaya > > > Glen USA > > > > > > In om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, " panditarjun2004 " > > > <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear shivbhakt shabnam > > > > om namo bhagawate rudraya > > > > > > > > shivbhakts have not yet fully understood who is an aghori. let > > me > > > explain in more simple language. > > > > > > > > aghora is one of the names of lord shiva and in application, > > aghora > > > > is a state of a native for whom nothing is difficult. in ancient > > > > days, lord dattatreya preached such philosophy. aghora is an > > > antonym > > > > of ghora which means not difficult or not terrible. sadly, some > > > people paint an aghora a ghora which is their ignorance. > > typically a > > > > sadhu or a renounced person goes through strictest meditations > > for > > > > long and reaches such an aghora state where he is as good as an > > > > avadhoota or a form of lord shiva. shivapurana has glorified > > the > > > forms of aghora and avadhoota. > > > > > > > > typically these aghoras live in secluded places and do not care > > for > > > > the modern people who are slaves of comfort and are dependant on > > > > perishables. some of them live in kashi, allahabad and ujjain > > and > > > other pilgrimage places where they bless those who approach them. > > > they themselves never go to any person. > > > > > > > > an aghori precludes the hell faced by the natives by taking > > various > > > > births and deaths which is illustratively described in > > shivapurana. > > > > hence, according to my best knowledge, only an aghroi can grant > > > mukti > > > > or salvation to a dead person. avadhootas, gods and god > > incarnates > > > too can grant salvation. for this reason, most sinners these days > > > are pining to find an aghori with a view to get salvation. > > > > > > > > aghoris are a form of lord shiva who typically wear mostly a > > small > > > > black cloth and few of them even wear red. like nagas, they too > > are > > > > barefoot and have a daily fire, be it agnihotra, havan or > > anything > > > else. > > > > > > > > aghora is a state of attainment by a person and lord dattatreya > > is > > > > correlated on positive side and lord kalabhairava is correlated > > on > > > > negative side. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, " infratherm " > > > > <bioacoustics@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Panditji, > > > > > Are you an Aghori ? > > > > > Do you know some one who is ? > > > > > How can one meet an Aghori ? > > > > > How can one recognize a true Aghori when one does meet one ? > > > > > Your response will be most appreciated. > > > > > Harii Om ! > > > > > Shabnam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- -- > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 > > > > > 27/02/2009 15:49:13 > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > > > > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Aghora > > > > > > > > > > dear shivbhakts > > > > > om namo bhagawate rudraya > > > > > > > > > > pasted below is an answer written by me to a similar query in > > > > another > > > > > group which gives some idea of who aghoris are: > > > > > > > > > > mainly due to the mis and false projection of aghoris in the > > > movies > > > > > and in some books, laymen start to think that aghoris are bad > > and > > > > are > > > > > a secluded sect who live only in burial grounds and live only > > by > > > > > eating the flesh from the burning pyre. > > > > > > > > > > have wandered extensively in the himalayas and knowing the > > various > > > > > nagas and aghoris in uttar pradesh and uttaranchal, let me say > > > that > > > > > aghoris are a form of lord shiva who can even grant salvation > > or > > > > > liberation (mukti) to a person. these are no ordinary people > > and > > > are > > > > > highly powerful and have done strictest meditation for longer > > > > periods > > > > > before starting to bless those who approach them. originally, > > when > > > > > an aghori wanted to bless the soul that is going on and on in > > > > several > > > > > wombs taking various births and deaths, the aghora becomes > > himself > > > > as > > > > > kalabhairava or lord shiva himself and gives his blessings to > > the > > > > > body on the burning pyre and takes little flesh from that > > burning > > > > > pyre as an offering made to the god (prasad or bhog) and grants > > > > > liberation. this is no secret and many people who knew aghoris > > in > > > > > north india are aware of this. some amateurs and others without > > > > > knowledge started venturing into eating the flesh as a mark of > > > > aghora > > > > > eating style which is wrong. branding aghoras as such bad > > people > > > is > > > > > disrespect. > > > > > > > > > > gita suggests how learnt or those who wish to realise the self > > > shall > > > > > have equal respect to a brahmin, a cow or a person who eats dog > > > > > flesh. > > > > > > > > > > let me also inform for the benefit of all that if any native > > > > > approaches an aghora with a wish or a desire even if it is > > > material, > > > > > a mere positive blessing word from him will get the native > > what he > > > > > wants. truly aghoris are powerful enough to grant any and > > > everything > > > > > including mukti which only gods can grant. members may be > > aware > > > that > > > > > even sages are not powerful enough to grant or boon mukti to > > the > > > > > natives and only gods can grant mukti. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, sujeet pillai > > > > > <sujeet_jimmy@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Namah Shivay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know about aghora/aghoris? > > > > > > Is there any relationship between them and Lord Shiva? > > > > > > > > > > > > JImmy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > > > > http://messenger. / invite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 I have been constantly reading about Moksha ie freedom from the cycle of births n deaths WHAT IS MOKSHA !!! WHAT DOES IT MEAN ? HOW CAN WE THE LESSER MORTAL COMPREHEND IT!! PLEASE HELP me understand it.mridul--- On Thu, 3/5/09, RAHUL <toneyrahulsharma wrote: RAHUL <toneyrahulsharma Re: Japa Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 9:52 AM Hello Bhakta StephenThere are lots of ways to reach to the Lord and which ever way (any religion) you follow but with honesty and sincerity it will take you to the Lord.What is this Destiny?MOKSHA or Mukti should be everyone's destiny the ultimate spiritual goal, designating the individual soul's release from the bonds (bandha) of transmigration. The soul, once entered upon a bodily existence, remains trapped in a chain of successive rebirths (samsara) until it has reached perfection or the enlightenment that allows it release, or moksha. The methods by which release is sought after and attained differ, but most consider moksha to be a person's highest purpose in life.God Blessom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, "Bummer1962" <bummer1962@ ...> wrote:>> Namaste!> You said ' "Om Namah Shivaya" is the ultimate mantra that will take you to your destiny '. What is this destiny? Christians have a heaven with streets of gold and pearly gates. What is the ultimate destiny of one who chants this most holy mantra?> > Pranams> Bhakta Stephen> > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, "RAHUL" <toneyrahulsharma@ > wrote:> >> > Hello Sujeet> > > > Please read previous message by Divakar Ji> > > > As specified by Sri Ketan Bhai "Om Namah Shivaya" is the ultimate > > mantra that will take you to your destiny, Try to chant this mantra > > as much as you can, if you cannot find a guru or teacher to initiate > > you or start you on the mantra then ask Lord Shiva to be your guru > > and start off on that. > > > > This is a simple yet powerful mantra, you can chant it at anytime > > you like, slowly make it a habit to chant this mantra, dont force > > yourself.> > > > I have a story to share> > > > The Mantra Om Mani Padme Hum > > > > The True Sound of Truth> > > > An old story speaks about a similar problem. A devoted meditator, > > after years concentrating on a particular mantra, had attained > > enough insight to begin teaching. The student's humility was far > > from perfect, but the teachers at the monastery were not worried. > > > > A few years of successful teaching left the meditator with no > > thoughts about learning from anyone; but upon hearing about a famous > > hermit living nearby, the opportunity was too exciting to be passed > > up. > > > > The hermit lived alone on an island at the middle of a lake, so the > > meditator hired a man with a boat to row across to the island. The > > meditator was very respectful of the old hermit. As they shared some > > tea made with herbs the meditator asked him about his spiritual > > practice. The old man said he had no spiritual practice, except for > > a mantra which he repeated all the time to himself. The meditator > > was pleased: the hermit was using the same mantra he used himself -- > > but when the hermit spoke the mantra aloud, the meditator was > > horrified! > > > > "What's wrong?" asked the hermit. > > > > "I don't know what to say. I'm afraid you've wasted your whole life! > > You are pronouncing the mantra incorrectly! " > > > > "Oh, Dear! That is terrible. How should I say it?" > > > > The meditator gave the correct pronunciation, and the old hermit was > > very grateful, asking to be left alone so he could get started right > > away. On the way back across the lake the meditator, now confirmed > > as an accomplished teacher, was pondering the sad fate of the > > hermit. > > > > "It's so fortunate that I came along. At least he will have a little > > time to practice correctly before he dies." Just then, the meditator > > noticed that the boatman was looking quite shocked, and turned to > > see the hermit standing respectfully on the water, next to the > > boat. > > > > "Excuse me, please. I hate to bother you, but I've forgotten the > > correct pronunciation again. Would you please repeat it for me?" > > > > "You obviously don't need it," stammered the meditator; but the old > > man persisted in his polite request until the meditator relented and > > told him again the way he thought the mantra should be pronounced. > > > > The old hermit was saying the mantra very carefully, slowly, over > > and over, as he walked across the surface of the water back to the > > island. > > > > God Bless> > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, sujeet pillai > > <sujeet_jimmy@ > wrote:> > >> > > I have a question?> > > > > > It is said that a mantra that is not given by a guru has no effect > > on the sadhak who does jap of the same.What if I want to Japa the > > mantra : Aum Namah Shivaya?R there any rules?Do i need a guru ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > eaglesong23 <eaglesong23@ >> > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> > > Saturday, 28 February, 2009 12:25:36 PM> > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Aghora> > > > > > > > > Namaste,Arjun- ji> > > I have just very recently became a member > > > of this group and already learning alot> > > of good knowledge.> > > I thank you for posting this information.> > > Near my city is a large Hindu temple> > > but Iam nervous about approaching the Swami-ji> > > with my being a white westerner.> > > Iam new to Hinduism> > > Om Namah Shivaya> > > Glen USA> > > > > > In om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, "panditarjun2004" > > > <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > dear shivbhakt shabnam> > > > om namo bhagawate rudraya> > > > > > > > shivbhakts have not yet fully understood who is an aghori. let > > me > > > explain in more simple language.> > > > > > > > aghora is one of the names of lord shiva and in application, > > aghora> > > > is a state of a native for whom nothing is difficult. in ancient> > > > days, lord dattatreya preached such philosophy. aghora is an > > > antonym> > > > of ghora which means not difficult or not terrible. sadly, some > > > people paint an aghora a ghora which is their ignorance. > > typically a> > > > sadhu or a renounced person goes through strictest meditations > > for> > > > long and reaches such an aghora state where he is as good as an> > > > avadhoota or a form of lord shiva. shivapurana has glorified > > the > > > forms of aghora and avadhoota.> > > > > > > > typically these aghoras live in secluded places and do not care > > for> > > > the modern people who are slaves of comfort and are dependant on> > > > perishables. some of them live in kashi, allahabad and ujjain > > and > > > other pilgrimage places where they bless those who approach them. > > > they themselves never go to any person.> > > > > > > > an aghori precludes the hell faced by the natives by taking > > various> > > > births and deaths which is illustratively described in > > shivapurana.> > > > hence, according to my best knowledge, only an aghroi can grant > > > mukti> > > > or salvation to a dead person. avadhootas, gods and god > > incarnates > > > too can grant salvation. for this reason, most sinners these days > > > are pining to find an aghori with a view to get salvation.> > > > > > > > aghoris are a form of lord shiva who typically wear mostly a > > small> > > > black cloth and few of them even wear red. like nagas, they too > > are> > > > barefoot and have a daily fire, be it agnihotra, havan or > > anything > > > else.> > > > > > > > aghora is a state of attainment by a person and lord dattatreya > > is> > > > correlated on positive side and lord kalabhairava is correlated > > on> > > > negative side.> > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > pandit arjun> > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, "infratherm"> > > > <bioacoustics@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected Panditji,> > > > > Are you an Aghori ?> > > > > Do you know some one who is ?> > > > > How can one meet an Aghori ?> > > > > How can one recognize a true Aghori when one does meet one ?> > > > > Your response will be most appreciated.> > > > > Harii Om !> > > > > Shabnam> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -- --> > > > >> > > > > panditarjun2004> > > > > 27/02/2009 15:49:13> > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> > > > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Aghora> > > > >> > > > > dear shivbhakts> > > > > om namo bhagawate rudraya> > > > >> > > > > pasted below is an answer written by me to a similar query in> > > > another> > > > > group which gives some idea of who aghoris are:> > > > >> > > > > mainly due to the mis and false projection of aghoris in the > > > movies> > > > > and in some books, laymen start to think that aghoris are bad > > and> > > > are> > > > > a secluded sect who live only in burial grounds and live only > > by> > > > > eating the flesh from the burning pyre.> > > > >> > > > > have wandered extensively in the himalayas and knowing the > > various> > > > > nagas and aghoris in uttar pradesh and uttaranchal, let me say > > > that> > > > > aghoris are a form of lord shiva who can even grant salvation > > or> > > > > liberation (mukti) to a person. these are no ordinary people > > and > > > are> > > > > highly powerful and have done strictest meditation for longer> > > > periods> > > > > before starting to bless those who approach them. originally, > > when> > > > > an aghori wanted to bless the soul that is going on and on in> > > > several> > > > > wombs taking various births and deaths, the aghora becomes > > himself> > > > as> > > > > kalabhairava or lord shiva himself and gives his blessings to > > the> > > > > body on the burning pyre and takes little flesh from that > > burning> > > > > pyre as an offering made to the god (prasad or bhog) and grants> > > > > liberation. this is no secret and many people who knew aghoris > > in> > > > > north india are aware of this. some amateurs and others without> > > > > knowledge started venturing into eating the flesh as a mark of> > > > aghora> > > > > eating style which is wrong. branding aghoras as such bad > > people > > > is> > > > > disrespect.> > > > >> > > > > gita suggests how learnt or those who wish to realise the self > > > shall> > > > > have equal respect to a brahmin, a cow or a person who eats dog> > > > > flesh.> > > > >> > > > > let me also inform for the benefit of all that if any native> > > > > approaches an aghora with a wish or a desire even if it is > > > material,> > > > > a mere positive blessing word from him will get the native > > what he> > > > > wants. truly aghoris are powerful enough to grant any and > > > everything> > > > > including mukti which only gods can grant. members may be > > aware > > > that> > > > > even sages are not powerful enough to grant or boon mukti to > > the> > > > > natives and only gods can grant mukti.> > > > >> > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > >> > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, sujeet pillai> > > > > <sujeet_jimmy@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear All> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Aum Namah Shivay> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Does anyone know about aghora/aghoris?> > > > > > Is there any relationship between them and Lord Shiva?> > > > > >> > > > > > JImmy> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to> > > > > http://messenger. / invite/> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > > >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Dear Mridul, I don't know your age but I think it is too early to get this longing to know about MOKSHA. However, I am not a pandit -Jnani, but try to help with my limited knowledge.First one should know one's own Parents thoroughly - love & respect them in spite of their good & bad traits; family privileges; educational fecilities for any possible improvements so that your inherent talants find opening for better understanding; if you are Indian try & read the sacred scriptures in your regional translations; try & understand the "arishad varga"- the six main impediments in human life - Kama, Krodha, Moha, Lobha, Mada and Matsarya - how to conquer them with rigorous practice as explained by sadhakas like Ramakrishna Paramahamsa etc. -cultivate & practice LOVE, forget & forgive attitude, help serve needy within your capabilities --- then I am sure you will get the answer for your quest, I am sure.This homework is needed....MBPrasadaRao--- On Thu, 3/5/09, mridul kothiyal <mridulkothiyal wrote:mridul kothiyal <mridulkothiyalRe: Re: Japa Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 5:59 AM I have been constantly reading about Moksha ie freedom from the cycle of births n deaths WHAT IS MOKSHA !!! WHAT DOES IT MEAN ? HOW CAN WE THE LESSER MORTAL COMPREHEND IT!! PLEASE HELP me understand it.mridul--- On Thu, 3/5/09, RAHUL <toneyrahulsharma@ > wrote: RAHUL <toneyrahulsharma@ >[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Japaom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comThursday, March 5, 2009, 9:52 AM Hello Bhakta StephenThere are lots of ways to reach to the Lord and which ever way (any religion) you follow but with honesty and sincerity it will take you to the Lord.What is this Destiny?MOKSHA or Mukti should be everyone's destiny the ultimate spiritual goal, designating the individual soul's release from the bonds (bandha) of transmigration. The soul, once entered upon a bodily existence, remains trapped in a chain of successive rebirths (samsara) until it has reached perfection or the enlightenment that allows it release, or moksha. The methods by which release is sought after and attained differ, but most consider moksha to be a person's highest purpose in life.God Blessom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, "Bummer1962" <bummer1962@ ...> wrote:>> Namaste!> You said ' "Om Namah Shivaya" is the ultimate mantra that will take you to your destiny '. What is this destiny? Christians have a heaven with streets of gold and pearly gates. What is the ultimate destiny of one who chants this most holy mantra?> > Pranams> Bhakta Stephen> > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, "RAHUL" <toneyrahulsharma@ > wrote:> >> > Hello Sujeet> > > > Please read previous message by Divakar Ji> > > > As specified by Sri Ketan Bhai "Om Namah Shivaya" is the ultimate > > mantra that will take you to your destiny, Try to chant this mantra > > as much as you can, if you cannot find a guru or teacher to initiate > > you or start you on the mantra then ask Lord Shiva to be your guru > > and start off on that. > > > > This is a simple yet powerful mantra, you can chant it at anytime > > you like, slowly make it a habit to chant this mantra, dont force > > yourself.> > > > I have a story to share> > > > The Mantra Om Mani Padme Hum > > > > The True Sound of Truth> > > > An old story speaks about a similar problem. A devoted meditator, > > after years concentrating on a particular mantra, had attained > > enough insight to begin teaching. The student's humility was far > > from perfect, but the teachers at the monastery were not worried. > > > > A few years of successful teaching left the meditator with no > > thoughts about learning from anyone; but upon hearing about a famous > > hermit living nearby, the opportunity was too exciting to be passed > > up. > > > > The hermit lived alone on an island at the middle of a lake, so the > > meditator hired a man with a boat to row across to the island. The > > meditator was very respectful of the old hermit. As they shared some > > tea made with herbs the meditator asked him about his spiritual > > practice. The old man said he had no spiritual practice, except for > > a mantra which he repeated all the time to himself. The meditator > > was pleased: the hermit was using the same mantra he used himself -- > > but when the hermit spoke the mantra aloud, the meditator was > > horrified! > > > > "What's wrong?" asked the hermit. > > > > "I don't know what to say. I'm afraid you've wasted your whole life! > > You are pronouncing the mantra incorrectly! " > > > > "Oh, Dear! That is terrible. How should I say it?" > > > > The meditator gave the correct pronunciation, and the old hermit was > > very grateful, asking to be left alone so he could get started right > > away. On the way back across the lake the meditator, now confirmed > > as an accomplished teacher, was pondering the sad fate of the > > hermit. > > > > "It's so fortunate that I came along. At least he will have a little > > time to practice correctly before he dies." Just then, the meditator > > noticed that the boatman was looking quite shocked, and turned to > > see the hermit standing respectfully on the water, next to the > > boat. > > > > "Excuse me, please. I hate to bother you, but I've forgotten the > > correct pronunciation again. Would you please repeat it for me?" > > > > "You obviously don't need it," stammered the meditator; but the old > > man persisted in his polite request until the meditator relented and > > told him again the way he thought the mantra should be pronounced. > > > > The old hermit was saying the mantra very carefully, slowly, over > > and over, as he walked across the surface of the water back to the > > island. > > > > God Bless> > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, sujeet pillai > > <sujeet_jimmy@ > wrote:> > >> > > I have a question?> > > > > > It is said that a mantra that is not given by a guru has no effect > > on the sadhak who does jap of the same.What if I want to Japa the > > mantra : Aum Namah Shivaya?R there any rules?Do i need a guru ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > eaglesong23 <eaglesong23@ >> > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> > > Saturday, 28 February, 2009 12:25:36 PM> > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Aghora> > > > > > > > > Namaste,Arjun- ji> > > I have just very recently became a member > > > of this group and already learning alot> > > of good knowledge.> > > I thank you for posting this information.> > > Near my city is a large Hindu temple> > > but Iam nervous about approaching the Swami-ji> > > with my being a white westerner.> > > Iam new to Hinduism> > > Om Namah Shivaya> > > Glen USA> > > > > > In om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, "panditarjun2004" > > > <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > dear shivbhakt shabnam> > > > om namo bhagawate rudraya> > > > > > > > shivbhakts have not yet fully understood who is an aghori. let > > me > > > explain in more simple language.> > > > > > > > aghora is one of the names of lord shiva and in application, > > aghora> > > > is a state of a native for whom nothing is difficult. in ancient> > > > days, lord dattatreya preached such philosophy. aghora is an > > > antonym> > > > of ghora which means not difficult or not terrible. sadly, some > > > people paint an aghora a ghora which is their ignorance. > > typically a> > > > sadhu or a renounced person goes through strictest meditations > > for> > > > long and reaches such an aghora state where he is as good as an> > > > avadhoota or a form of lord shiva. shivapurana has glorified > > the > > > forms of aghora and avadhoota.> > > > > > > > typically these aghoras live in secluded places and do not care > > for> > > > the modern people who are slaves of comfort and are dependant on> > > > perishables. some of them live in kashi, allahabad and ujjain > > and > > > other pilgrimage places where they bless those who approach them. > > > they themselves never go to any person.> > > > > > > > an aghori precludes the hell faced by the natives by taking > > various> > > > births and deaths which is illustratively described in > > shivapurana.> > > > hence, according to my best knowledge, only an aghroi can grant > > > mukti> > > > or salvation to a dead person. avadhootas, gods and god > > incarnates > > > too can grant salvation. for this reason, most sinners these days > > > are pining to find an aghori with a view to get salvation.> > > > > > > > aghoris are a form of lord shiva who typically wear mostly a > > small> > > > black cloth and few of them even wear red. like nagas, they too > > are> > > > barefoot and have a daily fire, be it agnihotra, havan or > > anything > > > else.> > > > > > > > aghora is a state of attainment by a person and lord dattatreya > > is> > > > correlated on positive side and lord kalabhairava is correlated > > on> > > > negative side.> > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > pandit arjun> > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, "infratherm"> > > > <bioacoustics@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected Panditji,> > > > > Are you an Aghori ?> > > > > Do you know some one who is ?> > > > > How can one meet an Aghori ?> > > > > How can one recognize a true Aghori when one does meet one ?> > > > > Your response will be most appreciated.> > > > > Harii Om !> > > > > Shabnam> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -- --> > > > >> > > > > panditarjun2004> > > > > 27/02/2009 15:49:13> > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> > > > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Aghora> > > > >> > > > > dear shivbhakts> > > > > om namo bhagawate rudraya> > > > >> > > > > pasted below is an answer written by me to a similar query in> > > > another> > > > > group which gives some idea of who aghoris are:> > > > >> > > > > mainly due to the mis and false projection of aghoris in the > > > movies> > > > > and in some books, laymen start to think that aghoris are bad > > and> > > > are> > > > > a secluded sect who live only in burial grounds and live only > > by> > > > > eating the flesh from the burning pyre.> > > > >> > > > > have wandered extensively in the himalayas and knowing the > > various> > > > > nagas and aghoris in uttar pradesh and uttaranchal, let me say > > > that> > > > > aghoris are a form of lord shiva who can even grant salvation > > or> > > > > liberation (mukti) to a person. these are no ordinary people > > and > > > are> > > > > highly powerful and have done strictest meditation for longer> > > > periods> > > > > before starting to bless those who approach them. originally, > > when> > > > > an aghori wanted to bless the soul that is going on and on in> > > > several> > > > > wombs taking various births and deaths, the aghora becomes > > himself> > > > as> > > > > kalabhairava or lord shiva himself and gives his blessings to > > the> > > > > body on the burning pyre and takes little flesh from that > > burning> > > > > pyre as an offering made to the god (prasad or bhog) and grants> > > > > liberation. this is no secret and many people who knew aghoris > > in> > > > > north india are aware of this. some amateurs and others without> > > > > knowledge started venturing into eating the flesh as a mark of> > > > aghora> > > > > eating style which is wrong. branding aghoras as such bad > > people > > > is> > > > > disrespect.> > > > >> > > > > gita suggests how learnt or those who wish to realise the self > > > shall> > > > > have equal respect to a brahmin, a cow or a person who eats dog> > > > > flesh.> > > > >> > > > > let me also inform for the benefit of all that if any native> > > > > approaches an aghora with a wish or a desire even if it is > > > material,> > > > > a mere positive blessing word from him will get the native > > what he> > > > > wants. truly aghoris are powerful enough to grant any and > > > everything> > > > > including mukti which only gods can grant. members may be > > aware > > > that> > > > > even sages are not powerful enough to grant or boon mukti to > > the> > > > > natives and only gods can grant mukti.> > > > >> > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > >> > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, sujeet pillai> > > > > <sujeet_jimmy@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear All> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Aum Namah Shivay> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Does anyone know about aghora/aghoris?> > > > > > Is there any relationship between them and Lord Shiva?> > > > > >> > > > > > JImmy> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to> > > > > http://messenger. / invite/> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > > > >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Greatly explained Prasadrao Garu, the greatest truths are very simple but hard to follow in practice, if we attempt to follow the principles you mentioned then Moksha or grace from God is attainable. Also there is a mis-conception that people should not worry about moksha at a young age, but actually youngsters should be taught about moksha and spiritual principles so that they will sow right seeds when they are young so that they can grow spiritually when they become old. the seeds of spirituality are bhakti, truth, respecting parents, respecting teachers, respecting God, respecting fellow being, respecting Nature, prayer, forgiveness, thankfulness, living in compassion and controlling desires these qualities lead us to god and moksha, if youngsters learn these it will put them in the right path in their life both spiritually and otherwise. Once the foundation is based on the above principles God gives the follower techniques like Meditation, Kriya Yoga, Mantra Chanting, Kundalini Yoga etc to accelerate the spiritual growth. Sprituality is part of us, it is very simple if we follow these principles, Spirituality has been complicated because a lot of people give more importance to the techniques than the real foundation. Foundation brings gods grace, which leads to Moksha. In olden days children were taught these principles and they followed them, but in this current world spiritual values are lost and so we are seeing a lot of Greed, Ego and suffering. In Divine Love, Om Namah Shivaya, Divakar --- On Thu, 3/5/09, prasadarao madhunapantula <prasadaraom wrote: prasadarao madhunapantula <prasadaraomRe: Re: Japa Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 8:54 AM Dear Mridul, I don't know your age but I think it is too early to get this longing to know about MOKSHA. However, I am not a pandit -Jnani, but try to help with my limited knowledge.First one should know one's own Parents thoroughly - love & respect them in spite of their good & bad traits; family privileges; educational fecilities for any possible improvements so that your inherent talants find opening for better understanding; if you are Indian try & read the sacred scriptures in your regional translations; try & understand the "arishad varga"- the six main impediments in human life - Kama, Krodha, Moha, Lobha, Mada and Matsarya - how to conquer them with rigorous practice as explained by sadhakas like Ramakrishna Paramahamsa etc. -cultivate & practice LOVE, forget & forgive attitude, help serve needy within your capabilities --- then I am sure you will get the answer for your quest, I am sure.This homework is needed....MBPrasadaRao--- On Thu, 3/5/09, mridul kothiyal <mridulkothiyal@ > wrote: mridul kothiyal <mridulkothiyal@ >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Japaom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comThursday, March 5, 2009, 5:59 AM I have been constantly reading about Moksha ie freedom from the cycle of births n deaths WHAT IS MOKSHA !!! WHAT DOES IT MEAN ? HOW CAN WE THE LESSER MORTAL COMPREHEND IT!! PLEASE HELP me understand it.mridul--- On Thu, 3/5/09, RAHUL <toneyrahulsharma@ > wrote: RAHUL <toneyrahulsharma@ >[om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Japaom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comThursday, March 5, 2009, 9:52 AM Hello Bhakta StephenThere are lots of ways to reach to the Lord and which ever way (any religion) you follow but with honesty and sincerity it will take you to the Lord.What is this Destiny?MOKSHA or Mukti should be everyone's destiny the ultimate spiritual goal, designating the individual soul's release from the bonds (bandha) of transmigration. The soul, once entered upon a bodily existence, remains trapped in a chain of successive rebirths (samsara) until it has reached perfection or the enlightenment that allows it release, or moksha. The methods by which release is sought after and attained differ, but most consider moksha to be a person's highest purpose in life.God Blessom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, "Bummer1962" <bummer1962@ ...> wrote:>> Namaste!> You said ' "Om Namah Shivaya" is the ultimate mantra that will take you to your destiny '. What is this destiny? Christians have a heaven with streets of gold and pearly gates. What is the ultimate destiny of one who chants this most holy mantra?> > Pranams> Bhakta Stephen> > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, "RAHUL" <toneyrahulsharma@ > wrote:> >> > Hello Sujeet> > > > Please read previous message by Divakar Ji> > > > As specified by Sri Ketan Bhai "Om Namah Shivaya" is the ultimate > > mantra that will take you to your destiny, Try to chant this mantra > > as much as you can, if you cannot find a guru or teacher to initiate > > you or start you on the mantra then ask Lord Shiva to be your guru > > and start off on that. > > > > This is a simple yet powerful mantra, you can chant it at anytime > > you like, slowly make it a habit to chant this mantra, dont force > > yourself.> > > > I have a story to share> > > > The Mantra Om Mani Padme Hum > > > > The True Sound of Truth> > > > An old story speaks about a similar problem. A devoted meditator, > > after years concentrating on a particular mantra, had attained > > enough insight to begin teaching. The student's humility was far > > from perfect, but the teachers at the monastery were not worried. > > > > A few years of successful teaching left the meditator with no > > thoughts about learning from anyone; but upon hearing about a famous > > hermit living nearby, the opportunity was too exciting to be passed > > up. > > > > The hermit lived alone on an island at the middle of a lake, so the > > meditator hired a man with a boat to row across to the island. The > > meditator was very respectful of the old hermit. As they shared some > > tea made with herbs the meditator asked him about his spiritual > > practice. The old man said he had no spiritual practice, except for > > a mantra which he repeated all the time to himself. The meditator > > was pleased: the hermit was using the same mantra he used himself -- > > but when the hermit spoke the mantra aloud, the meditator was > > horrified! > > > > "What's wrong?" asked the hermit. > > > > "I don't know what to say. I'm afraid you've wasted your whole life! > > You are pronouncing the mantra incorrectly! " > > > > "Oh, Dear! That is terrible. How should I say it?" > > > > The meditator gave the correct pronunciation, and the old hermit was > > very grateful, asking to be left alone so he could get started right > > away. On the way back across the lake the meditator, now confirmed > > as an accomplished teacher, was pondering the sad fate of the > > hermit. > > > > "It's so fortunate that I came along. At least he will have a little > > time to practice correctly before he dies." Just then, the meditator > > noticed that the boatman was looking quite shocked, and turned to > > see the hermit standing respectfully on the water, next to the > > boat. > > > > "Excuse me, please. I hate to bother you, but I've forgotten the > > correct pronunciation again. Would you please repeat it for me?" > > > > "You obviously don't need it," stammered the meditator; but the old > > man persisted in his polite request until the meditator relented and > > told him again the way he thought the mantra should be pronounced. > > > > The old hermit was saying the mantra very carefully, slowly, over > > and over, as he walked across the surface of the water back to the > > island. > > > > God Bless> > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, sujeet pillai > > <sujeet_jimmy@ > wrote:> > >> > > I have a question?> > > > > > It is said that a mantra that is not given by a guru has no effect > > on the sadhak who does jap of the same.What if I want to Japa the > > mantra : Aum Namah Shivaya?R there any rules?Do i need a guru ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > eaglesong23 <eaglesong23@ >> > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> > > Saturday, 28 February, 2009 12:25:36 PM> > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Aghora> > > > > > > > > Namaste,Arjun- ji> > > I have just very recently became a member > > > of this group and already learning alot> > > of good knowledge.> > > I thank you for posting this information.> > > Near my city is a large Hindu temple> > > but Iam nervous about approaching the Swami-ji> > > with my being a white westerner.> > > Iam new to Hinduism> > > Om Namah Shivaya> > > Glen USA> > > > > > In om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, "panditarjun2004" > > > <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > dear shivbhakt shabnam> > > > om namo bhagawate rudraya> > > > > > > > shivbhakts have not yet fully understood who is an aghori. let > > me > > > explain in more simple language.> > > > > > > > aghora is one of the names of lord shiva and in application, > > aghora> > > > is a state of a native for whom nothing is difficult. in ancient> > > > days, lord dattatreya preached such philosophy. aghora is an > > > antonym> > > > of ghora which means not difficult or not terrible. sadly, some > > > people paint an aghora a ghora which is their ignorance. > > typically a> > > > sadhu or a renounced person goes through strictest meditations > > for> > > > long and reaches such an aghora state where he is as good as an> > > > avadhoota or a form of lord shiva. shivapurana has glorified > > the > > > forms of aghora and avadhoota.> > > > > > > > typically these aghoras live in secluded places and do not care > > for> > > > the modern people who are slaves of comfort and are dependant on> > > > perishables. some of them live in kashi, allahabad and ujjain > > and > > > other pilgrimage places where they bless those who approach them. > > > they themselves never go to any person.> > > > > > > > an aghori precludes the hell faced by the natives by taking > > various> > > > births and deaths which is illustratively described in > > shivapurana.> > > > hence, according to my best knowledge, only an aghroi can grant > > > mukti> > > > or salvation to a dead person. avadhootas, gods and god > > incarnates > > > too can grant salvation. for this reason, most sinners these days > > > are pining to find an aghori with a view to get salvation.> > > > > > > > aghoris are a form of lord shiva who typically wear mostly a > > small> > > > black cloth and few of them even wear red. like nagas, they too > > are> > > > barefoot and have a daily fire, be it agnihotra, havan or > > anything > > > else.> > > > > > > > aghora is a state of attainment by a person and lord dattatreya > > is> > > > correlated on positive side and lord kalabhairava is correlated > > on> > > > negative side.> > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > pandit arjun> > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, "infratherm"> > > > <bioacoustics@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected Panditji,> > > > > Are you an Aghori ?> > > > > Do you know some one who is ?> > > > > How can one meet an Aghori ?> > > > > How can one recognize a true Aghori when one does meet one ?> > > > > Your response will be most appreciated.> > > > > Harii Om !> > > > > Shabnam> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -- --> > > > >> > > > > panditarjun2004> > > > > 27/02/2009 15:49:13> > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com> > > > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Aghora> > > > >> > > > > dear shivbhakts> > > > > om namo bhagawate rudraya> > > > >> > > > > pasted below is an answer written by me to a similar query in> > > > another> > > > > group which gives some idea of who aghoris are:> > > > >> > > > > mainly due to the mis and false projection of aghoris in the > > > movies> > > > > and in some books, laymen start to think that aghoris are bad > > and> > > > are> > > > > a secluded sect who live only in burial grounds and live only > > by> > > > > eating the flesh from the burning pyre.> > > > >> > > > > have wandered extensively in the himalayas and knowing the > > various> > > > > nagas and aghoris in uttar pradesh and uttaranchal, let me say > > > that> > > > > aghoris are a form of lord shiva who can even grant salvation > > or> > > > > liberation (mukti) to a person. these are no ordinary people > > and > > > are> > > > > highly powerful and have done strictest meditation for longer> > > > periods> > > > > before starting to bless those who approach them. originally, > > when> > > > > an aghori wanted to bless the soul that is going on and on in> > > > several> > > > > wombs taking various births and deaths, the aghora becomes > > himself> > > > as> > > > > kalabhairava or lord shiva himself and gives his blessings to > > the> > > > > body on the burning pyre and takes little flesh from that > > burning> > > > > pyre as an offering made to the god (prasad or bhog) and grants> > > > > liberation. this is no secret and many people who knew aghoris > > in> > > > > north india are aware of this. some amateurs and others without> > > > > knowledge started venturing into eating the flesh as a mark of> > > > aghora> > > > > eating style which is wrong. branding aghoras as such bad > > people > > > is> > > > > disrespect.> > > > >> > > > > gita suggests how learnt or those who wish to realise the self > > > shall> > > > > have equal respect to a brahmin, a cow or a person who eats dog> > > > > flesh.> > > > >> > > > > let me also inform for the benefit of all that if any native> > > > > approaches an aghora with a wish or a desire even if it is > > > material,> > > > > a mere positive blessing word from him will get the native > > what he> > > > > wants. truly aghoris are powerful enough to grant any and > > > everything> > > > > including mukti which only gods can grant. members may be > > aware > > > that> > > > > even sages are not powerful enough to grant or boon mukti to > > the> > > > > natives and only gods can grant mukti.> > > > >> > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > >> > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, sujeet pillai> > > > > <sujeet_jimmy@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear All> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Aum Namah Shivay> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Does anyone know about aghora/aghoris?> > > > > > Is there any relationship between them and Lord Shiva?> > > > > >> > > > > > JImmy> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Bhakta Stephen.. there is no such thing as "ultimate destiny";if u chant the mantra then shiva who is bhole nath will give you whatever u desire as he is bhole nath.he is shankar....if u want moksh u will get moksh....if u want anything else u will get it by the grace of lord shiva.Aum Namah Shivaya SujeetBummer1962 <bummer1962To: Sent: Thursday, 5 March, 2009 12:46:13 AM Re: Japa Namaste! You said ' "Om Namah Shivaya" is the ultimate mantra that will take you to your destiny '. What is this destiny? Christians have a heaven with streets of gold and pearly gates. What is the ultimate destiny of one who chants this most holy mantra? Pranams Bhakta Stephen om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, "RAHUL" <toneyrahulsharma@ ...> wrote: > > Hello Sujeet > > Please read previous message by Divakar Ji > > As specified by Sri Ketan Bhai "Om Namah Shivaya" is the ultimate > mantra that will take you to your destiny, Try to chant this mantra > as much as you can, if you cannot find a guru or teacher to initiate > you or start you on the mantra then ask Lord Shiva to be your guru > and start off on that. > > This is a simple yet powerful mantra, you can chant it at anytime > you like, slowly make it a habit to chant this mantra, dont force > yourself. > > I have a story to share > > The Mantra Om Mani Padme Hum > > The True Sound of Truth > > An old story speaks about a similar problem. A devoted meditator, > after years concentrating on a particular mantra, had attained > enough insight to begin teaching. The student's humility was far > from perfect, but the teachers at the monastery were not worried. > > A few years of successful teaching left the meditator with no > thoughts about learning from anyone; but upon hearing about a famous > hermit living nearby, the opportunity was too exciting to be passed > up. > > The hermit lived alone on an island at the middle of a lake, so the > meditator hired a man with a boat to row across to the island. The > meditator was very respectful of the old hermit. As they shared some > tea made with herbs the meditator asked him about his spiritual > practice. The old man said he had no spiritual practice, except for > a mantra which he repeated all the time to himself. The meditator > was pleased: the hermit was using the same mantra he used himself -- > but when the hermit spoke the mantra aloud, the meditator was > horrified! > > "What's wrong?" asked the hermit. > > "I don't know what to say. I'm afraid you've wasted your whole life! > You are pronouncing the mantra incorrectly! " > > "Oh, Dear! That is terrible. How should I say it?" > > The meditator gave the correct pronunciation, and the old hermit was > very grateful, asking to be left alone so he could get started right > away. On the way back across the lake the meditator, now confirmed > as an accomplished teacher, was pondering the sad fate of the > hermit. > > "It's so fortunate that I came along. At least he will have a little > time to practice correctly before he dies." Just then, the meditator > noticed that the boatman was looking quite shocked, and turned to > see the hermit standing respectfully on the water, next to the > boat. > > "Excuse me, please. I hate to bother you, but I've forgotten the > correct pronunciation again. Would you please repeat it for me?" > > "You obviously don't need it," stammered the meditator; but the old > man persisted in his polite request until the meditator relented and > told him again the way he thought the mantra should be pronounced. > > The old hermit was saying the mantra very carefully, slowly, over > and over, as he walked across the surface of the water back to the > island. > > God Bless > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, sujeet pillai > <sujeet_jimmy@ > wrote: > > > > I have a question? > > > > It is said that a mantra that is not given by a guru has no effect > on the sadhak who does jap of the same.What if I want to Japa the > mantra : Aum Namah Shivaya?R there any rules?Do i need a guru ? > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > eaglesong23 <eaglesong23@ > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > > Saturday, 28 February, 2009 12:25:36 PM > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Aghora > > > > > > Namaste,Arjun- ji > > I have just very recently became a member > > of this group and already learning alot > > of good knowledge. > > I thank you for posting this information. > > Near my city is a large Hindu temple > > but Iam nervous about approaching the Swami-ji > > with my being a white westerner. > > Iam new to Hinduism > > Om Namah Shivaya > > Glen USA > > > > In om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, "panditarjun2004" > > <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > dear shivbhakt shabnam > > > om namo bhagawate rudraya > > > > > > shivbhakts have not yet fully understood who is an aghori. let > me > > explain in more simple language. > > > > > > aghora is one of the names of lord shiva and in application, > aghora > > > is a state of a native for whom nothing is difficult. in ancient > > > days, lord dattatreya preached such philosophy. aghora is an > > antonym > > > of ghora which means not difficult or not terrible. sadly, some > > people paint an aghora a ghora which is their ignorance. > typically a > > > sadhu or a renounced person goes through strictest meditations > for > > > long and reaches such an aghora state where he is as good as an > > > avadhoota or a form of lord shiva. shivapurana has glorified > the > > forms of aghora and avadhoota. > > > > > > typically these aghoras live in secluded places and do not care > for > > > the modern people who are slaves of comfort and are dependant on > > > perishables. some of them live in kashi, allahabad and ujjain > and > > other pilgrimage places where they bless those who approach them. > > they themselves never go to any person. > > > > > > an aghori precludes the hell faced by the natives by taking > various > > > births and deaths which is illustratively described in > shivapurana. > > > hence, according to my best knowledge, only an aghroi can grant > > mukti > > > or salvation to a dead person. avadhootas, gods and god > incarnates > > too can grant salvation. for this reason, most sinners these days > > are pining to find an aghori with a view to get salvation. > > > > > > aghoris are a form of lord shiva who typically wear mostly a > small > > > black cloth and few of them even wear red. like nagas, they too > are > > > barefoot and have a daily fire, be it agnihotra, havan or > anything > > else. > > > > > > aghora is a state of attainment by a person and lord dattatreya > is > > > correlated on positive side and lord kalabhairava is correlated > on > > > negative side. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, "infratherm" > > > <bioacoustics@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Panditji, > > > > Are you an Aghori ? > > > > Do you know some one who is ? > > > > How can one meet an Aghori ? > > > > How can one recognize a true Aghori when one does meet one ? > > > > Your response will be most appreciated. > > > > Harii Om ! > > > > Shabnam > > > > > > > > > > > > -- -- > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 > > > > 27/02/2009 15:49:13 > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com > > > > [om_namah_shivaya_ group] Re: Aghora > > > > > > > > dear shivbhakts > > > > om namo bhagawate rudraya > > > > > > > > pasted below is an answer written by me to a similar query in > > > another > > > > group which gives some idea of who aghoris are: > > > > > > > > mainly due to the mis and false projection of aghoris in the > > movies > > > > and in some books, laymen start to think that aghoris are bad > and > > > are > > > > a secluded sect who live only in burial grounds and live only > by > > > > eating the flesh from the burning pyre. > > > > > > > > have wandered extensively in the himalayas and knowing the > various > > > > nagas and aghoris in uttar pradesh and uttaranchal, let me say > > that > > > > aghoris are a form of lord shiva who can even grant salvation > or > > > > liberation (mukti) to a person. these are no ordinary people > and > > are > > > > highly powerful and have done strictest meditation for longer > > > periods > > > > before starting to bless those who approach them. originally, > when > > > > an aghori wanted to bless the soul that is going on and on in > > > several > > > > wombs taking various births and deaths, the aghora becomes > himself > > > as > > > > kalabhairava or lord shiva himself and gives his blessings to > the > > > > body on the burning pyre and takes little flesh from that > burning > > > > pyre as an offering made to the god (prasad or bhog) and grants > > > > liberation. this is no secret and many people who knew aghoris > in > > > > north india are aware of this.. some amateurs and others without > > > > knowledge started venturing into eating the flesh as a mark of > > > aghora > > > > eating style which is wrong. branding aghoras as such bad > people > > is > > > > disrespect. > > > > > > > > gita suggests how learnt or those who wish to realise the self > > shall > > > > have equal respect to a brahmin, a cow or a person who eats dog > > > > flesh. > > > > > > > > let me also inform for the benefit of all that if any native > > > > approaches an aghora with a wish or a desire even if it is > > material, > > > > a mere positive blessing word from him will get the native > what he > > > > wants. truly aghoris are powerful enough to grant any and > > everything > > > > including mukti which only gods can grant. members may be > aware > > that > > > > even sages are not powerful enough to grant or boon mukti to > the > > > > natives and only gods can grant mukti. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > > > > > > > om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, sujeet pillai > > > > <sujeet_jimmy@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Namah Shivay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know about aghora/aghoris? > > > > > Is there any relationship between them and Lord Shiva? > > > > > > > > > > JImmy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Good question. Meant for wiser heads than me. But let me share what I believe. Every religion has a promise of a heaven and a hell. In fact per Hinduism there are thousands of subtler and grosser regions than our material universe that we call heaven/hell. However, none of them is our goal. A person with a lot of meritorious deeds goes to a heaven and then when he uses up those deeds he/she comes back to this plane. The obverse is true for the hells. The Goal of all spirituality is to merge with the Supreme SELF. In the Shaivite tradition, this Self is called Shiva. Siva is the supreme self dwells that within everyone and everything in this universe - sub-atomic to Galaxies. The process of chanting mantras, meditating removes our focus from the material world. I've heard this process being described as destroying the 'ego', or a 'total surrender to God'. It has also been described as polishing the window to our soul. Whatever the nomenclature, God is already within you and all the chanting does is clear up the shrubbery of your mind - to give you a clear sight. There are many paths that do the same. Once the ego is destroyed, one merges with the supreme 'self'. After that there is no returning to the material planes. This is the Goal of chanting 'Om Namah Shivaya' If you've not already done so, I would suggest you also read the works of Ramana Maharishi as well. , " Bummer1962 " <bummer1962 wrote: > > Namaste! > You said ' " Om Namah Shivaya " is the ultimate mantra that will take you to your destiny '. What is this destiny? Christians have a heaven with streets of gold and pearly gates. What is the ultimate destiny of one who chants this most holy mantra? > > Pranams > Bhakta Stephen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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