Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Hi all, Avasyamanubhoktavyam krutham karma subhasubham|| Whatever good or bad we are to experience. Karma has to be experienced, then only your path is laid to moksha or janma rahithyam(mean no rebirth). If we are suffering from diseases means that is this janam bad karma. If it is mano badha means that is purva janam krutham. But Gayatri mantra can only destroy karma. Other many mantras will save you from papam (Duritham) and kastam. This is the quote from Vedas. Gayathri will melt karma just like ice berg by sunshine. If you ask GOD he will postphone your duskarma. Again you have to experience the same in future. But karma is very very strong then anything in this universe. If we trust GOD it will be less impact like we may experience in swapna(Dream). But please dnt ask GOD for rebirth for few minutes in this janma. Again you need to experience all these. Mantranustanam will save you from future karma. Thank you Sivarpanam Narasimha --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946 wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946Fwd: Fwd: SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHgbsub, Date: Monday, June 22, 2009, 12:57 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------surekha tennetivenugopal <sue_venu21 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:58 AMRe: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHG Balasubramanian <gbsub >Cc: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> Dear Mr Balasubramanyam: What you say, and often said by great philosophers and our great books is all fine to read- but in truth, it is near-impossible for a normal person, unless the person has already become divine. I lost my husband 15 years ago- but time has not ony not healed the pain, it is worse now.. Of course we all have our ways to carry on living despite pain.. With respect, Surekha Tenneti Venugopal --- On Mon, 22/6/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHMonday, 22 June, 2009, 7:39 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:09 AM[om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHUSBrahmins@gro ups.com, om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva <BhagavataSeva> DEAR FRIENDS,As human beings it is but natural on our part to grieve over the death of somebody, especially, of persons whom we have heard about, or we have known or interacted or with whom we had emotinal ties apart from blood relations. But let us pause here and ponder for a minute. Death is only for the Physical Body which goes back to the five Gross Elements(Pancha Boothas). The Atma has no death. Nor it had a birth. Along with the accumulated Vasanas in the subtle and causal bodies the Atma is choosing another body suited to those Vasanas where it can exhaust them by either suffering or enjoying. This process of exhaustion of accumulated vasanas might call for births in several bodies successively. Of course, there is a possibility of adding new Vasanas and that is how the cycle of births and deaths take place. A Sadhaka should stive for Birthlessness by doing appropriate Sadhana and seek the Grace of God for Moksha /Liberation / Self-realization which is THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF OUR LIFE. G.Balasubramanian ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 I beg to differ with Narasimha Rao on his statement that Mantra Anushtanam alone can save one from future karmas. One can be meticulous about observing all the Anushtanas prescribed by the scriptures(Vihitakarmas). But if he performs any action driven by the Gunas(Sattva, Rajas and Tamas) he is bound to accumulate vasanas or karma in future also. It is not adequate to be rituals-bound(karmata). Selfless actions and actions performed in a spirit of detachment and sacrifice alone can qualify for karmarahita state. Unless one surrenders his ego at the feet of God, he is bound to incur karma. Chanting of Gayatri Mantra, will definitely protect you from sins, provided you are a Gunaatheetha, that is to say, your actions are not swayed by the Gunas. G.Balasubramanian--- On Tue, 6/23/09, J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 wrote: J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6Re: Fwd: Fwd: SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATH Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 12:26 AM Hi all, Avasyamanubhoktavya m krutham karma subhasubham| | Whatever good or bad we are to experience. Karma has to be experienced, then only your path is laid to moksha or janma rahithyam(mean no rebirth). If we are suffering from diseases means that is this janam bad karma. If it is mano badha means that is purva janam krutham. But Gayatri mantra can only destroy karma. Other many mantras will save you from papam (Duritham) and kastam. This is the quote from Vedas. Gayathri will melt karma just like ice berg by sunshine. If you ask GOD he will postphone your duskarma. Again you have to experience the same in future. But karma is very very strong then anything in this universe. If we trust GOD it will be less impact like we may experience in swapna(Dream) . But please dnt ask GOD for rebirth for few minutes in this janma. Again you need to experience all these. Mantranustanam will save you from future karma. Thank you Sivarpanam Narasimha --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHgbsub , om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comMonday, June 22, 2009, 12:57 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------surekha tennetivenugopal <sue_venu21 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:58 AMRe: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHG Balasubramanian <gbsub >Cc: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> Dear Mr Balasubramanyam: What you say, and often said by great philosophers and our great books is all fine to read- but in truth, it is near-impossible for a normal person, unless the person has already become divine. I lost my husband 15 years ago- but time has not ony not healed the pain, it is worse now.. Of course we all have our ways to carry on living despite pain.. With respect, Surekha Tenneti Venugopal --- On Mon, 22/6/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHMonday, 22 June, 2009, 7:39 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:09 AM[om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHUSBrahmins@gro ups.com, om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva <BhagavataSeva> DEAR FRIENDS,As human beings it is but natural on our part to grieve over the death of somebody, especially, of persons whom we have heard about, or we have known or interacted or with whom we had emotinal ties apart from blood relations. But let us pause here and ponder for a minute. Death is only for the Physical Body which goes back to the five Gross Elements(Pancha Boothas). The Atma has no death. Nor it had a birth. Along with the accumulated Vasanas in the subtle and causal bodies the Atma is choosing another body suited to those Vasanas where it can exhaust them by either suffering or enjoying. This process of exhaustion of accumulated vasanas might call for births in several bodies successively. Of course, there is a possibility of adding new Vasanas and that is how the cycle of births and deaths take place. A Sadhaka should stive for Birthlessness by doing appropriate Sadhana and seek the Grace of God for Moksha /Liberation / Self-realization which is THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF OUR LIFE. G.Balasubramanian ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 I also agree with your opinion.What I see here that many discussions need to be refined!Without reading Shastr knowledge is incomplete which lead all discussions meaningless? Hinduism being oldest Relegion on earth contain lot of Knowledge. Jyotash(Astrology) also need Gayan with out that it can't be learent,some one if get basic knowledge he will get more to open other Chapters of our Relegion as one will go opening chapters it will lead an endless knoledge. Mantra is one of the best sword,"Devi Kavach" and other Devta's Kavach are for body,wealth,respect but Karm is the utmost without Karam nothing will be acheived and never expect result of the karm but devote it to God which will be recorded in the individual account.Eshwar is one when he desire than he become endless atmas wjhich we all are but we are like dolls which start dancing or doing other actions as the string holder desire,so is with us our string is in the hand of Eshwar and he is moving our string for actions which we call karm the karm are good and bad which is again with Eshwer Pareriyana. We are nothing we are containing a Hard disc like in computer which contain many files and they start opening automatically with time that's why it is said that "Samya Balvan Hai".Time is powerfull. Can you change any routne of Eshwar like four seasons,Sun rise/set,moon rise/set and other many things so is our life too no body can increase or decrease the age of any one born on this earth even Barhma have its life limit after that it also get lean in Eshwar which is never seen by even Barhama and Vishnu. Jai Aad Shakti. Assaram--- On Tue, 6/23/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsubRe: Fwd: Fwd: SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATH , Aryakrishti-Vedic-Dharma , "Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva" <BhagavataSeva >, USBrahmins Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 3:14 AM I beg to differ with Narasimha Rao on his statement that Mantra Anushtanam alone can save one from future karmas. One can be meticulous about observing all the Anushtanas prescribed by the scriptures(Vihitakarmas). But if he performs any action driven by the Gunas(Sattva, Rajas and Tamas) he is bound to accumulate vasanas or karma in future also. It is not adequate to be rituals-bound( karmata). Selfless actions and actions performed in a spirit of detachment and sacrifice alone can qualify for karmarahita state. Unless one surrenders his ego at the feet of God, he is bound to incur karma. Chanting of Gayatri Mantra, will definitely protect you from sins, provided you are a Gunaatheetha, that is to say, your actions are not swayed by the Gunas. G.Balasubramanian--- On Tue, 6/23/09, J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 > wrote: J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 23, 2009, 12:26 AM Hi all, Avasyamanubhoktavya m krutham karma subhasubham| | Whatever good or bad we are to experience. Karma has to be experienced, then only your path is laid to moksha or janma rahithyam(mean no rebirth). If we are suffering from diseases means that is this janam bad karma. If it is mano badha means that is purva janam krutham. But Gayatri mantra can only destroy karma. Other many mantras will save you from papam (Duritham) and kastam. This is the quote from Vedas. Gayathri will melt karma just like ice berg by sunshine. If you ask GOD he will postphone your duskarma. Again you have to experience the same in future. But karma is very very strong then anything in this universe. If we trust GOD it will be less impact like we may experience in swapna(Dream) . But please dnt ask GOD for rebirth for few minutes in this janma. Again you need to experience all these. Mantranustanam will save you from future karma. Thank you Sivarpanam Narasimha --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHgbsub , om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comMonday, June 22, 2009, 12:57 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------surekha tennetivenugopal <sue_venu21 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:58 AMRe: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHG Balasubramanian <gbsub >Cc: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> Dear Mr Balasubramanyam: What you say, and often said by great philosophers and our great books is all fine to read- but in truth, it is near-impossible for a normal person, unless the person has already become divine. I lost my husband 15 years ago- but time has not ony not healed the pain, it is worse now.. Of course we all have our ways to carry on living despite pain.. With respect, Surekha Tenneti Venugopal --- On Mon, 22/6/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHMonday, 22 June, 2009, 7:39 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:09 AM[om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHUSBrahmins@gro ups.com, om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva <BhagavataSeva> DEAR FRIENDS,As human beings it is but natural on our part to grieve over the death of somebody, especially, of persons whom we have heard about, or we have known or interacted or with whom we had emotinal ties apart from blood relations. But let us pause here and ponder for a minute. Death is only for the Physical Body which goes back to the five Gross Elements(Pancha Boothas). The Atma has no death. Nor it had a birth. Along with the accumulated Vasanas in the subtle and causal bodies the Atma is choosing another body suited to those Vasanas where it can exhaust them by either suffering or enjoying. This process of exhaustion of accumulated vasanas might call for births in several bodies successively. Of course, there is a possibility of adding new Vasanas and that is how the cycle of births and deaths take place. A Sadhaka should stive for Birthlessness by doing appropriate Sadhana and seek the Grace of God for Moksha /Liberation / Self-realization which is THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF OUR LIFE. G.Balasubramanian ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Hi , I agree with Sri GB point, but for a normal person it a very difficult to leave satva, rajas, tamo gunas and surrendering EGO to GOD. Its sounds simple but I suppose a person cant be Gunarahitha. Even Vasista, viswamitra, agasthya, durvasa, vaisampayana , Devendra ...... its a big list, they are also struggled. But Mantraanustana will make upasaka above all these, I agree up to reaching one stage trigunas will disturb him more and more. After that stage he cant be a man, he will be GOD. Even selfless actions also will lead to karma (I mean if a person is helping to another without expecting anything also leads to karma( as I said in my previous post, Avasyamanubhothayam), again you will get help from some other person). Even we follow NaradaBhakti sutras or Narada Parivrajaka sutras also, there are some examples suffered from trigunas. Many people pray GOD for a kamya, if it is served they will stop praying him, this is not mantranustana. Valmiki or ratnakara he is not done any upasana as we are discussing in this forum, he stopped everything and started chanting the "ram" word round the clock, the word world knows. In Hindusim which one is not a mantra? Rama, krishna, Shiva, sakthi, All alphabets are mantras, each alphabet is one beejakshara. All are doing somehow anustana evaryday, but not in a proper way (If is not in a regular passion), but they dnt know. All alphabets came from Lord Maheswara damaru. In our hindusim many people dnt know even for brushing , tongue cleaning, bathing, tilakadharana or bhasmadharana, vasthra dharana, plucking flowers, mala dharana, rudraksha dharana, while sitting , before travel, on the way, before going to bed, before and after eating food, drinking water, drinking fruit juices,..... and all mantras are there. Now we are discussing about the main root of Hindutwa, because of this karma siddhanta only we remained in this world, because of the same only we are getting recognization, because of the same only we are have less crime rates, .... Papam,karma If we trouble others we have to face the same in future , see its a great concept, some people may not fear about anything including GOD , but they will fear about their Karma especially papam. This is the foundation for our society. Other wise if God is talking to us daily, we will keep our hands on his shoulder. That’s why na parikshaya datavyam(without proper test we guru cannot give upadesa) came. The upasaka may use mantra for silly purposes like someone haven’t said Good morning and then mantra prayoga on him. Our ancestors are great they kept many constraints on both Guru and upasaka. If a person leaving trigunas, there is no need of GOD for him. He will be in enjoying the Brahmananda. Lord Maheswara gotra rishis(Pancharshekam in the gotra) are nirguna, niranjana, nirvikalpa, .... Bhaavathetam triguna rahitham parvathesam namami... Narasimha --- On Tue, 6/23/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsubRe: Fwd: Fwd: SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATH , Aryakrishti-Vedic-Dharma , "Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva" <BhagavataSeva >, USBrahmins Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 3:14 AM I beg to differ with Narasimha Rao on his statement that Mantra Anushtanam alone can save one from future karmas. One can be meticulous about observing all the Anushtanas prescribed by the scriptures(Vihitakarmas). But if he performs any action driven by the Gunas(Sattva, Rajas and Tamas) he is bound to accumulate vasanas or karma in future also. It is not adequate to be rituals-bound( karmata). Selfless actions and actions performed in a spirit of detachment and sacrifice alone can qualify for karmarahita state. Unless one surrenders his ego at the feet of God, he is bound to incur karma. Chanting of Gayatri Mantra, will definitely protect you from sins, provided you are a Gunaatheetha, that is to say, your actions are not swayed by the Gunas. G.Balasubramanian--- On Tue, 6/23/09, J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 > wrote: J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 23, 2009, 12:26 AM Hi all, Avasyamanubhoktavya m krutham karma subhasubham| | Whatever good or bad we are to experience. Karma has to be experienced, then only your path is laid to moksha or janma rahithyam(mean no rebirth). If we are suffering from diseases means that is this janam bad karma. If it is mano badha means that is purva janam krutham. But Gayatri mantra can only destroy karma. Other many mantras will save you from papam (Duritham) and kastam. This is the quote from Vedas. Gayathri will melt karma just like ice berg by sunshine. If you ask GOD he will postphone your duskarma. Again you have to experience the same in future. But karma is very very strong then anything in this universe. If we trust GOD it will be less impact like we may experience in swapna(Dream) . But please dnt ask GOD for rebirth for few minutes in this janma. Again you need to experience all these. Mantranustanam will save you from future karma. Thank you Sivarpanam Narasimha --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHgbsub , om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comMonday, June 22, 2009, 12:57 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------surekha tennetivenugopal <sue_venu21 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:58 AMRe: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHG Balasubramanian <gbsub >Cc: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> Dear Mr Balasubramanyam: What you say, and often said by great philosophers and our great books is all fine to read- but in truth, it is near-impossible for a normal person, unless the person has already become divine. I lost my husband 15 years ago- but time has not ony not healed the pain, it is worse now.. Of course we all have our ways to carry on living despite pain.. With respect, Surekha Tenneti Venugopal --- On Mon, 22/6/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHMonday, 22 June, 2009, 7:39 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:09 AM[om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHUSBrahmins@gro ups.com, om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva <BhagavataSeva> DEAR FRIENDS,As human beings it is but natural on our part to grieve over the death of somebody, especially, of persons whom we have heard about, or we have known or interacted or with whom we had emotinal ties apart from blood relations. But let us pause here and ponder for a minute. Death is only for the Physical Body which goes back to the five Gross Elements(Pancha Boothas). The Atma has no death. Nor it had a birth. Along with the accumulated Vasanas in the subtle and causal bodies the Atma is choosing another body suited to those Vasanas where it can exhaust them by either suffering or enjoying. This process of exhaustion of accumulated vasanas might call for births in several bodies successively. Of course, there is a possibility of adding new Vasanas and that is how the cycle of births and deaths take place. A Sadhaka should stive for Birthlessness by doing appropriate Sadhana and seek the Grace of God for Moksha /Liberation / Self-realization which is THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF OUR LIFE. G.Balasubramanian ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Dear Narasimha,What I would like to stress is that karmaphala has to be surrendered to God. Doing action in a spirit of total detachment and without claiming the fruits of action will not bind a man. That is what the Upanishads and Bhagawad Gita proclaim.G.Balasubramanian --- On Wed, 6/24/09, J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 wrote:J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6Re: Fwd: Fwd: SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATH Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 12:32 AM Hi , I agree with Sri GB point, but for a normal person it a very difficult to leave satva, rajas, tamo gunas and surrendering EGO to GOD. Its sounds simple but I suppose a person cant be Gunarahitha. Even Vasista, viswamitra, agasthya, durvasa, vaisampayana , Devendra ...... its a big list, they are also struggled. But Mantraanustana will make upasaka above all these, I agree up to reaching one stage trigunas will disturb him more and more. After that stage he cant be a man, he will be GOD. Even selfless actions also will lead to karma (I mean if a person is helping to another without expecting anything also leads to karma( as I said in my previous post, Avasyamanubhothayam ), again you will get help from some other person). Even we follow NaradaBhakti sutras or Narada Parivrajaka sutras also, there are some examples suffered from trigunas. Many people pray GOD for a kamya, if it is served they will stop praying him, this is not mantranustana. Valmiki or ratnakara he is not done any upasana as we are discussing in this forum, he stopped everything and started chanting the "ram" word round the clock, the word world knows. In Hindusim which one is not a mantra? Rama, krishna, Shiva, sakthi, All alphabets are mantras, each alphabet is one beejakshara. All are doing somehow anustana evaryday, but not in a proper way (If is not in a regular passion), but they dnt know. All alphabets came from Lord Maheswara damaru. In our hindusim many people dnt know even for brushing , tongue cleaning, bathing, tilakadharana or bhasmadharana, vasthra dharana, plucking flowers, mala dharana, rudraksha dharana, while sitting , before travel, on the way, before going to bed, before and after eating food, drinking water, drinking fruit juices,..... and all mantras are there. Now we are discussing about the main root of Hindutwa, because of this karma siddhanta only we remained in this world, because of the same only we are getting recognization, because of the same only we are have less crime rates, .... Papam,karma If we trouble others we have to face the same in future , see its a great concept, some people may not fear about anything including GOD , but they will fear about their Karma especially papam. This is the foundation for our society. Other wise if God is talking to us daily, we will keep our hands on his shoulder. That’s why na parikshaya datavyam(without proper test we guru cannot give upadesa) came. The upasaka may use mantra for silly purposes like someone haven’t said Good morning and then mantra prayoga on him. Our ancestors are great they kept many constraints on both Guru and upasaka. If a person leaving trigunas, there is no need of GOD for him. He will be in enjoying the Brahmananda. Lord Maheswara gotra rishis(Pancharsheka m in the gotra) are nirguna, niranjana, nirvikalpa, .... Bhaavathetam triguna rahitham parvathesam namami... Narasimha --- On Tue, 6/23/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, "Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva" <BhagavataSeva>, USBrahmins@gro ups.comTuesday, June 23, 2009, 3:14 AM I beg to differ with Narasimha Rao on his statement that Mantra Anushtanam alone can save one from future karmas. One can be meticulous about observing all the Anushtanas prescribed by the scriptures(Vihitakarmas). But if he performs any action driven by the Gunas(Sattva, Rajas and Tamas) he is bound to accumulate vasanas or karma in future also. It is not adequate to be rituals-bound( karmata). Selfless actions and actions performed in a spirit of detachment and sacrifice alone can qualify for karmarahita state. Unless one surrenders his ego at the feet of God, he is bound to incur karma. Chanting of Gayatri Mantra, will definitely protect you from sins, provided you are a Gunaatheetha, that is to say, your actions are not swayed by the Gunas. G.Balasubramanian--- On Tue, 6/23/09, J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 > wrote: J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 23, 2009, 12:26 AM Hi all, Avasyamanubhoktavya m krutham karma subhasubham| | Whatever good or bad we are to experience. Karma has to be experienced, then only your path is laid to moksha or janma rahithyam(mean no rebirth). If we are suffering from diseases means that is this janam bad karma. If it is mano badha means that is purva janam krutham. But Gayatri mantra can only destroy karma. Other many mantras will save you from papam (Duritham) and kastam. This is the quote from Vedas. Gayathri will melt karma just like ice berg by sunshine. If you ask GOD he will postphone your duskarma. Again you have to experience the same in future. But karma is very very strong then anything in this universe. If we trust GOD it will be less impact like we may experience in swapna(Dream) . But please dnt ask GOD for rebirth for few minutes in this janma. Again you need to experience all these. Mantranustanam will save you from future karma. Thank you Sivarpanam Narasimha --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHgbsub , om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comMonday, June 22, 2009, 12:57 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------surekha tennetivenugopal <sue_venu21 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:58 AMRe: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHG Balasubramanian <gbsub >Cc: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> Dear Mr Balasubramanyam: What you say, and often said by great philosophers and our great books is all fine to read- but in truth, it is near-impossible for a normal person, unless the person has already become divine. I lost my husband 15 years ago- but time has not ony not healed the pain, it is worse now.. Of course we all have our ways to carry on living despite pain.. With respect, Surekha Tenneti Venugopal --- On Mon, 22/6/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHMonday, 22 June, 2009, 7:39 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:09 AM[om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHUSBrahmins@gro ups.com, om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva <BhagavataSeva> DEAR FRIENDS,As human beings it is but natural on our part to grieve over the death of somebody, especially, of persons whom we have heard about, or we have known or interacted or with whom we had emotinal ties apart from blood relations. But let us pause here and ponder for a minute. Death is only for the Physical Body which goes back to the five Gross Elements(Pancha Boothas). The Atma has no death. Nor it had a birth. Along with the accumulated Vasanas in the subtle and causal bodies the Atma is choosing another body suited to those Vasanas where it can exhaust them by either suffering or enjoying. This process of exhaustion of accumulated vasanas might call for births in several bodies successively. Of course, there is a possibility of adding new Vasanas and that is how the cycle of births and deaths take place. A Sadhaka should stive for Birthlessness by doing appropriate Sadhana and seek the Grace of God for Moksha /Liberation / Self-realization which is THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF OUR LIFE. G.Balasubramanian ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Hariom one can keep him Gunarahit by seeing what he eats,drinks,talk,wears,control these thing gunas will be controlled mggarga--- On Tue, 6/23/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsubRe: Fwd: Fwd: SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATH , Aryakrishti-Vedic-Dharma , "Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva" <BhagavataSeva >, USBrahmins Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 3:44 PM I beg to differ with Narasimha Rao on his statement that Mantra Anushtanam alone can save one from future karmas. One can be meticulous about observing all the Anushtanas prescribed by the scriptures(Vihitakarmas). But if he performs any action driven by the Gunas(Sattva, Rajas and Tamas) he is bound to accumulate vasanas or karma in future also. It is not adequate to be rituals-bound( karmata). Selfless actions and actions performed in a spirit of detachment and sacrifice alone can qualify for karmarahita state. Unless one surrenders his ego at the feet of God, he is bound to incur karma. Chanting of Gayatri Mantra, will definitely protect you from sins, provided you are a Gunaatheetha, that is to say, your actions are not swayed by the Gunas. G.Balasubramanian--- On Tue, 6/23/09, J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 > wrote: J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 23, 2009, 12:26 AM Hi all, Avasyamanubhoktavya m krutham karma subhasubham| | Whatever good or bad we are to experience. Karma has to be experienced, then only your path is laid to moksha or janma rahithyam(mean no rebirth). If we are suffering from diseases means that is this janam bad karma. If it is mano badha means that is purva janam krutham. But Gayatri mantra can only destroy karma. Other many mantras will save you from papam (Duritham) and kastam. This is the quote from Vedas. Gayathri will melt karma just like ice berg by sunshine. If you ask GOD he will postphone your duskarma. Again you have to experience the same in future. But karma is very very strong then anything in this universe. If we trust GOD it will be less impact like we may experience in swapna(Dream) . But please dnt ask GOD for rebirth for few minutes in this janma. Again you need to experience all these. Mantranustanam will save you from future karma. Thank you Sivarpanam Narasimha --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHgbsub , om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comMonday, June 22, 2009, 12:57 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------surekha tennetivenugopal <sue_venu21 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:58 AMRe: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHG Balasubramanian <gbsub >Cc: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> Dear Mr Balasubramanyam: What you say, and often said by great philosophers and our great books is all fine to read- but in truth, it is near-impossible for a normal person, unless the person has already become divine. I lost my husband 15 years ago- but time has not ony not healed the pain, it is worse now.. Of course we all have our ways to carry on living despite pain.. With respect, Surekha Tenneti Venugopal --- On Mon, 22/6/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHMonday, 22 June, 2009, 7:39 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:09 AM[om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHUSBrahmins@gro ups.com, om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva <BhagavataSeva> DEAR FRIENDS,As human beings it is but natural on our part to grieve over the death of somebody, especially, of persons whom we have heard about, or we have known or interacted or with whom we had emotinal ties apart from blood relations. But let us pause here and ponder for a minute. Death is only for the Physical Body which goes back to the five Gross Elements(Pancha Boothas). The Atma has no death. Nor it had a birth. Along with the accumulated Vasanas in the subtle and causal bodies the Atma is choosing another body suited to those Vasanas where it can exhaust them by either suffering or enjoying. This process of exhaustion of accumulated vasanas might call for births in several bodies successively. Of course, there is a possibility of adding new Vasanas and that is how the cycle of births and deaths take place. A Sadhaka should stive for Birthlessness by doing appropriate Sadhana and seek the Grace of God for Moksha /Liberation / Self-realization which is THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF OUR LIFE. G.Balasubramanian ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 according to me death is a reallty and we have to accept it as a long holiday, a long sleep without tension, a sweet festival, because as per hindutva atma is immortal SHASTRA ISE CHED NAHI SAKTE, AGNI ISE JALA NAHI SAKTI, VAYU ISE SUKHA NAHI SAKTI, ATMA AJAR AMAR HAI. so we should enjoy it. Ajay gaba --- On Wed, 24/6/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsubRe: Fwd: Fwd: SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATH Date: Wednesday, 24 June, 2009, 8:13 AM Dear Narasimha,What I would like to stress is that karmaphala has to be surrendered to God. Doing action in a spirit of total detachment and without claiming the fruits of action will not bind a man. That is what the Upanishads and Bhagawad Gita proclaim.G.Balasubramanian --- On Wed, 6/24/09, J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 > wrote: J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, June 24, 2009, 12:32 AM Hi , I agree with Sri GB point, but for a normal person it a very difficult to leave satva, rajas, tamo gunas and surrendering EGO to GOD. Its sounds simple but I suppose a person cant be Gunarahitha. Even Vasista, viswamitra, agasthya, durvasa, vaisampayana , Devendra ...... its a big list, they are also struggled. But Mantraanustana will make upasaka above all these, I agree up to reaching one stage trigunas will disturb him more and more. After that stage he cant be a man, he will be GOD. Even selfless actions also will lead to karma (I mean if a person is helping to another without expecting anything also leads to karma( as I said in my previous post, Avasyamanubhothayam ), again you will get help from some other person). Even we follow NaradaBhakti sutras or Narada Parivrajaka sutras also, there are some examples suffered from trigunas. Many people pray GOD for a kamya, if it is served they will stop praying him, this is not mantranustana. Valmiki or ratnakara he is not done any upasana as we are discussing in this forum, he stopped everything and started chanting the "ram" word round the clock, the word world knows. In Hindusim which one is not a mantra? Rama, krishna, Shiva, sakthi, All alphabets are mantras, each alphabet is one beejakshara. All are doing somehow anustana evaryday, but not in a proper way (If is not in a regular passion), but they dnt know. All alphabets came from Lord Maheswara damaru. In our hindusim many people dnt know even for brushing , tongue cleaning, bathing, tilakadharana or bhasmadharana, vasthra dharana, plucking flowers, mala dharana, rudraksha dharana, while sitting , before travel, on the way, before going to bed, before and after eating food, drinking water, drinking fruit juices,..... and all mantras are there. Now we are discussing about the main root of Hindutwa, because of this karma siddhanta only we remained in this world, because of the same only we are getting recognization, because of the same only we are have less crime rates, .... Papam,karma If we trouble others we have to face the same in future , see its a great concept, some people may not fear about anything including GOD , but they will fear about their Karma especially papam. This is the foundation for our society. Other wise if God is talking to us daily, we will keep our hands on his shoulder. That’s why na parikshaya datavyam(without proper test we guru cannot give upadesa) came. The upasaka may use mantra for silly purposes like someone haven’t said Good morning and then mantra prayoga on him. Our ancestors are great they kept many constraints on both Guru and upasaka. If a person leaving trigunas, there is no need of GOD for him. He will be in enjoying the Brahmananda. Lord Maheswara gotra rishis(Pancharsheka m in the gotra) are nirguna, niranjana, nirvikalpa, .... Bhaavathetam triguna rahitham parvathesam namami... Narasimha --- On Tue, 6/23/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, "Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva" <BhagavataSeva>, USBrahmins@gro ups.comTuesday, June 23, 2009, 3:14 AM I beg to differ with Narasimha Rao on his statement that Mantra Anushtanam alone can save one from future karmas. One can be meticulous about observing all the Anushtanas prescribed by the scriptures(Vihitakarmas). But if he performs any action driven by the Gunas(Sattva, Rajas and Tamas) he is bound to accumulate vasanas or karma in future also. It is not adequate to be rituals-bound( karmata). Selfless actions and actions performed in a spirit of detachment and sacrifice alone can qualify for karmarahita state. Unless one surrenders his ego at the feet of God, he is bound to incur karma. Chanting of Gayatri Mantra, will definitely protect you from sins, provided you are a Gunaatheetha, that is to say, your actions are not swayed by the Gunas. G.Balasubramanian--- On Tue, 6/23/09, J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 > wrote: J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 23, 2009, 12:26 AM Hi all, Avasyamanubhoktavya m krutham karma subhasubham| | Whatever good or bad we are to experience. Karma has to be experienced, then only your path is laid to moksha or janma rahithyam(mean no rebirth). If we are suffering from diseases means that is this janam bad karma. If it is mano badha means that is purva janam krutham. But Gayatri mantra can only destroy karma. Other many mantras will save you from papam (Duritham) and kastam. This is the quote from Vedas. Gayathri will melt karma just like ice berg by sunshine. If you ask GOD he will postphone your duskarma. Again you have to experience the same in future. But karma is very very strong then anything in this universe. If we trust GOD it will be less impact like we may experience in swapna(Dream) . But please dnt ask GOD for rebirth for few minutes in this janma. Again you need to experience all these. Mantranustanam will save you from future karma. Thank you Sivarpanam Narasimha --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHgbsub , om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comMonday, June 22, 2009, 12:57 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------surekha tennetivenugopal <sue_venu21 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:58 AMRe: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHG Balasubramanian <gbsub >Cc: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> Dear Mr Balasubramanyam: What you say, and often said by great philosophers and our great books is all fine to read- but in truth, it is near-impossible for a normal person, unless the person has already become divine. I lost my husband 15 years ago- but time has not ony not healed the pain, it is worse now.. Of course we all have our ways to carry on living despite pain.. With respect, Surekha Tenneti Venugopal --- On Mon, 22/6/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHMonday, 22 June, 2009, 7:39 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:09 AM[om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHUSBrahmins@gro ups.com, om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva <BhagavataSeva> DEAR FRIENDS,As human beings it is but natural on our part to grieve over the death of somebody, especially, of persons whom we have heard about, or we have known or interacted or with whom we had emotinal ties apart from blood relations. But let us pause here and ponder for a minute. Death is only for the Physical Body which goes back to the five Gross Elements(Pancha Boothas). The Atma has no death. Nor it had a birth. Along with the accumulated Vasanas in the subtle and causal bodies the Atma is choosing another body suited to those Vasanas where it can exhaust them by either suffering or enjoying. This process of exhaustion of accumulated vasanas might call for births in several bodies successively. Of course, there is a possibility of adding new Vasanas and that is how the cycle of births and deaths take place. A Sadhaka should stive for Birthlessness by doing appropriate Sadhana and seek the Grace of God for Moksha /Liberation / Self-realization which is THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF OUR LIFE. G.Balasubramanian ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. ICC World Twenty20 England '09 exclusively on ! CRICKET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Dear Narasimha Ji Aum Namah Shivaaya I know I wrote you that " maybe I asking many questions so please tell me where I can read all about this " . But I am sorry that after reading your following mail my curiosity has again increased and I am again compelled to ask you something. (1) Are all diseases the result of present life's Karma? If yes, then what about those children who suffer from dreadful diseas even in their childhood? Which life's Karma affect them? (2) You seem to be right to say that all suffering are of our Karma's Phal. And it is better to finish all sufferings in this life only, why to ask another life " just to suffer only " . And if we pray God to alleviate our sufferings, God may postpone them but maybe we will have to suffer in the next life - who knows. In this reference I remember Yudhishthir's dialog to Draupadee in MBH serial after hearing that Draupadee said to Duryodhan that " A blind's son is blind only " (it was a good dialog, I always remember it) " It is better if we do the Praayashchit in this life only. " I think everybody should finish his sufferings in this life only. (3) I wish to read about Gayatri Mantra Saadhanaa, Anushthaan and Purashcharan etc in detail. Have you written any article about it, if yes, can I have it? Or do you know such a source where I can get this informatin? I indeed want to know about it in detail. Krishna says in Geetaa - " Among all the Mantra, Gaayatree Mantra is me. " Indeed Gayatri Mantra is great. (4) You are a great astrologer. I have heard that astrologers can tell about the bad Karma (sins) of the present and past life for which a pwrson is sufering in this life. Could you do it for me as I have been suffering from the last 11 years, and no end is in sight. No compulsion, it is just only a request, asking a favor. Have a good day With regards Sushma , " J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao " <narsimha6 wrote: > > Hi all, > Avasyamanubhoktavyam krutham karma subhasubham|| > Whatever good or bad we are to experience. Karma has to be experienced, then only your path is laid to moksha or janma rahithyam(mean no rebirth). > If we are suffering from diseases means that is this janam bad karma. If it is mano badha means that is purva janam krutham. > But Gayatri mantra can only destroy karma. Other many mantras will save you from papam (Duritham) and kastam. This is the quote from Vedas. Gayathri will melt karma just like ice > berg by sunshine. If you ask GOD he will postphone your duskarma. Again you have to experience the same in future. > But karma is very very strong then anything in this universe. If we trust GOD it will be less impact like we may experience in swapna(Dream). > But please dnt ask GOD for rebirth for few minutes in this janma. Again you need to experience all these. Mantranustanam will save you from future karma. > > Thank you > Sivarpanam > > Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 HariOm SHASTRA ISE CHED NAHI SAKTE, AGNI ISE JALA NAHI SAKTI, VAYU ISE SUKHA NAHI SAKTI, ATMA AJAR AMAR HAI. I will like to add one more PANI ISE GALA NAHI SAKATA mggarga --- On Wed, 6/24/09, ajay gaba <ajaigaba wrote: ajay gaba <ajaigabaRe: Fwd: Fwd: SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATH Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 7:00 PM according to me death is a reallty and we have to accept it as a long holiday, a long sleep without tension, a sweet festival, because as per hindutva atma is immortal SHASTRA ISE CHED NAHI SAKTE, AGNI ISE JALA NAHI SAKTI, VAYU ISE SUKHA NAHI SAKTI, ATMA AJAR AMAR HAI. so we should enjoy it. Ajay gaba --- On Wed, 24/6/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, 24 June, 2009, 8:13 AM Dear Narasimha,What I would like to stress is that karmaphala has to be surrendered to God. Doing action in a spirit of total detachment and without claiming the fruits of action will not bind a man. That is what the Upanishads and Bhagawad Gita proclaim.G.Balasubramanian --- On Wed, 6/24/09, J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 > wrote: J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, June 24, 2009, 12:32 AM Hi , I agree with Sri GB point, but for a normal person it a very difficult to leave satva, rajas, tamo gunas and surrendering EGO to GOD. Its sounds simple but I suppose a person cant be Gunarahitha. Even Vasista, viswamitra, agasthya, durvasa, vaisampayana , Devendra ...... its a big list, they are also struggled. But Mantraanustana will make upasaka above all these, I agree up to reaching one stage trigunas will disturb him more and more. After that stage he cant be a man, he will be GOD. Even selfless actions also will lead to karma (I mean if a person is helping to another without expecting anything also leads to karma( as I said in my previous post, Avasyamanubhothayam ), again you will get help from some other person). Even we follow NaradaBhakti sutras or Narada Parivrajaka sutras also, there are some examples suffered from trigunas. Many people pray GOD for a kamya, if it is served they will stop praying him, this is not mantranustana. Valmiki or ratnakara he is not done any upasana as we are discussing in this forum, he stopped everything and started chanting the "ram" word round the clock, the word world knows. In Hindusim which one is not a mantra? Rama, krishna, Shiva, sakthi, All alphabets are mantras, each alphabet is one beejakshara. All are doing somehow anustana evaryday, but not in a proper way (If is not in a regular passion), but they dnt know. All alphabets came from Lord Maheswara damaru. In our hindusim many people dnt know even for brushing , tongue cleaning, bathing, tilakadharana or bhasmadharana, vasthra dharana, plucking flowers, mala dharana, rudraksha dharana, while sitting , before travel, on the way, before going to bed, before and after eating food, drinking water, drinking fruit juices,..... and all mantras are there. Now we are discussing about the main root of Hindutwa, because of this karma siddhanta only we remained in this world, because of the same only we are getting recognization, because of the same only we are have less crime rates, .... Papam,karma If we trouble others we have to face the same in future , see its a great concept, some people may not fear about anything including GOD , but they will fear about their Karma especially papam. This is the foundation for our society. Other wise if God is talking to us daily, we will keep our hands on his shoulder. That’s why na parikshaya datavyam(without proper test we guru cannot give upadesa) came. The upasaka may use mantra for silly purposes like someone haven’t said Good morning and then mantra prayoga on him. Our ancestors are great they kept many constraints on both Guru and upasaka. If a person leaving trigunas, there is no need of GOD for him. He will be in enjoying the Brahmananda. Lord Maheswara gotra rishis(Pancharsheka m in the gotra) are nirguna, niranjana, nirvikalpa, .... Bhaavathetam triguna rahitham parvathesam namami... Narasimha --- On Tue, 6/23/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, "Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva" <BhagavataSeva>, USBrahmins@gro ups.comTuesday, June 23, 2009, 3:14 AM I beg to differ with Narasimha Rao on his statement that Mantra Anushtanam alone can save one from future karmas. One can be meticulous about observing all the Anushtanas prescribed by the scriptures(Vihitakarmas). But if he performs any action driven by the Gunas(Sattva, Rajas and Tamas) he is bound to accumulate vasanas or karma in future also. It is not adequate to be rituals-bound( karmata). Selfless actions and actions performed in a spirit of detachment and sacrifice alone can qualify for karmarahita state. Unless one surrenders his ego at the feet of God, he is bound to incur karma. Chanting of Gayatri Mantra, will definitely protect you from sins, provided you are a Gunaatheetha, that is to say, your actions are not swayed by the Gunas. G.Balasubramanian--- On Tue, 6/23/09, J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 > wrote: J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 23, 2009, 12:26 AM Hi all, Avasyamanubhoktavya m krutham karma subhasubham| | Whatever good or bad we are to experience. Karma has to be experienced, then only your path is laid to moksha or janma rahithyam(mean no rebirth). If we are suffering from diseases means that is this janam bad karma. If it is mano badha means that is purva janam krutham. But Gayatri mantra can only destroy karma. Other many mantras will save you from papam (Duritham) and kastam. This is the quote from Vedas. Gayathri will melt karma just like ice berg by sunshine. If you ask GOD he will postphone your duskarma. Again you have to experience the same in future. But karma is very very strong then anything in this universe. If we trust GOD it will be less impact like we may experience in swapna(Dream) . But please dnt ask GOD for rebirth for few minutes in this janma. Again you need to experience all these. Mantranustanam will save you from future karma. Thank you Sivarpanam Narasimha --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHgbsub , om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comMonday, June 22, 2009, 12:57 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------surekha tennetivenugopal <sue_venu21 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:58 AMRe: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHG Balasubramanian <gbsub >Cc: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> Dear Mr Balasubramanyam: What you say, and often said by great philosophers and our great books is all fine to read- but in truth, it is near-impossible for a normal person, unless the person has already become divine. I lost my husband 15 years ago- but time has not ony not healed the pain, it is worse now.. Of course we all have our ways to carry on living despite pain.. With respect, Surekha Tenneti Venugopal --- On Mon, 22/6/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHMonday, 22 June, 2009, 7:39 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:09 AM[om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHUSBrahmins@gro ups.com, om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva <BhagavataSeva> DEAR FRIENDS,As human beings it is but natural on our part to grieve over the death of somebody, especially, of persons whom we have heard about, or we have known or interacted or with whom we had emotinal ties apart from blood relations. But let us pause here and ponder for a minute. Death is only for the Physical Body which goes back to the five Gross Elements(Pancha Boothas). The Atma has no death. Nor it had a birth. Along with the accumulated Vasanas in the subtle and causal bodies the Atma is choosing another body suited to those Vasanas where it can exhaust them by either suffering or enjoying. This process of exhaustion of accumulated vasanas might call for births in several bodies successively. Of course, there is a possibility of adding new Vasanas and that is how the cycle of births and deaths take place. A Sadhaka should stive for Birthlessness by doing appropriate Sadhana and seek the Grace of God for Moksha /Liberation / Self-realization which is THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF OUR LIFE. G.Balasubramanian ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. ICC World Twenty20 England '09 exclusively on ! CRICKET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 What our friend MG Garga is, more or less, a restatement of the prayer contained in the Vedas--------Bhadram Karnebih Srunayama devah bhadram pasyamaakashbir yajatraah sthirairangaistushtuvahums tanubih vyasema devahitam yadayuh........ Om Santih Santih Santih.It means let us hear all good things with our ears, let us see only good things with our eyes, let us speak only auspicious things etc. etc.It is gratifying to note more members want to put in their views on such topics although they do not have any direct bearing on 'death 'as such, which is the central theme of the posting initited by this humble self.G.Balasubramanian--- On Wed, 6/24/09, mg garga <mggarga wrote:mg garga <mggargaRe: Fwd: Fwd: SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATH Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 11:29 AM Hariom one can keep him Gunarahit by seeing what he eats,drinks, talk,wears, control these thing gunas will be controlled mggarga--- On Tue, 6/23/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, "Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva" <BhagavataSeva>, USBrahmins@gro ups.comTuesday, June 23, 2009, 3:44 PM I beg to differ with Narasimha Rao on his statement that Mantra Anushtanam alone can save one from future karmas. One can be meticulous about observing all the Anushtanas prescribed by the scriptures(Vihitakarmas). But if he performs any action driven by the Gunas(Sattva, Rajas and Tamas) he is bound to accumulate vasanas or karma in future also. It is not adequate to be rituals-bound( karmata). Selfless actions and actions performed in a spirit of detachment and sacrifice alone can qualify for karmarahita state. Unless one surrenders his ego at the feet of God, he is bound to incur karma. Chanting of Gayatri Mantra, will definitely protect you from sins, provided you are a Gunaatheetha, that is to say, your actions are not swayed by the Gunas. G.Balasubramanian--- On Tue, 6/23/09, J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 > wrote: J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 23, 2009, 12:26 AM Hi all, Avasyamanubhoktavya m krutham karma subhasubham| | Whatever good or bad we are to experience. Karma has to be experienced, then only your path is laid to moksha or janma rahithyam(mean no rebirth). If we are suffering from diseases means that is this janam bad karma. If it is mano badha means that is purva janam krutham. But Gayatri mantra can only destroy karma. Other many mantras will save you from papam (Duritham) and kastam. This is the quote from Vedas. Gayathri will melt karma just like ice berg by sunshine. If you ask GOD he will postphone your duskarma. Again you have to experience the same in future. But karma is very very strong then anything in this universe. If we trust GOD it will be less impact like we may experience in swapna(Dream) . But please dnt ask GOD for rebirth for few minutes in this janma. Again you need to experience all these. Mantranustanam will save you from future karma. Thank you Sivarpanam Narasimha --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHgbsub , om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comMonday, June 22, 2009, 12:57 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------surekha tennetivenugopal <sue_venu21 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:58 AMRe: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHG Balasubramanian <gbsub >Cc: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> Dear Mr Balasubramanyam: What you say, and often said by great philosophers and our great books is all fine to read- but in truth, it is near-impossible for a normal person, unless the person has already become divine. I lost my husband 15 years ago- but time has not ony not healed the pain, it is worse now.. Of course we all have our ways to carry on living despite pain.. With respect, Surekha Tenneti Venugopal --- On Mon, 22/6/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHMonday, 22 June, 2009, 7:39 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:09 AM[om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHUSBrahmins@gro ups.com, om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva <BhagavataSeva> DEAR FRIENDS,As human beings it is but natural on our part to grieve over the death of somebody, especially, of persons whom we have heard about, or we have known or interacted or with whom we had emotinal ties apart from blood relations. But let us pause here and ponder for a minute. Death is only for the Physical Body which goes back to the five Gross Elements(Pancha Boothas). The Atma has no death. Nor it had a birth. Along with the accumulated Vasanas in the subtle and causal bodies the Atma is choosing another body suited to those Vasanas where it can exhaust them by either suffering or enjoying. This process of exhaustion of accumulated vasanas might call for births in several bodies successively. Of course, there is a possibility of adding new Vasanas and that is how the cycle of births and deaths take place. A Sadhaka should stive for Birthlessness by doing appropriate Sadhana and seek the Grace of God for Moksha /Liberation / Self-realization which is THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF OUR LIFE. G.Balasubramanian ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Dear Ajay Gaba, Your statements such as "sweet festival" and "let us enjoy it" on the death of somebody may not be acceptable to a large number of members. Nor this can be practised by you when your near and dear ones leave you permanently.The rest is OK. You have quoted Bhagawad Gita sloka number 23 of Chapter 2 which says:-Weapons can not cut It(the Atma),nor can fire burn it;water can not wet It, nor can wind dry It. The more relevant Gita sloka is sloka 20 which says, "The Atma is neither born nor does It die; nor once having been born, will it ever cease to be. unborn, Eternal and Ancient, It is not destroyed when the body is slain".G.Balasubramanian--- On Wed, 6/24/09, ajay gaba <ajaigaba wrote:ajay gaba <ajaigabaRe: Fwd: Fwd: SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATH Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 7:00 PM according to me death is a reallty and we have to accept it as a long holiday, a long sleep without tension, a sweet festival, because as per hindutva atma is immortal SHASTRA ISE CHED NAHI SAKTE, AGNI ISE JALA NAHI SAKTI, VAYU ISE SUKHA NAHI SAKTI, ATMA AJAR AMAR HAI. so we should enjoy it. Ajay gaba --- On Wed, 24/6/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, 24 June, 2009, 8:13 AM Dear Narasimha,What I would like to stress is that karmaphala has to be surrendered to God. Doing action in a spirit of total detachment and without claiming the fruits of action will not bind a man. That is what the Upanishads and Bhagawad Gita proclaim.G.Balasubramanian --- On Wed, 6/24/09, J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 > wrote: J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, June 24, 2009, 12:32 AM Hi , I agree with Sri GB point, but for a normal person it a very difficult to leave satva, rajas, tamo gunas and surrendering EGO to GOD. Its sounds simple but I suppose a person cant be Gunarahitha. Even Vasista, viswamitra, agasthya, durvasa, vaisampayana , Devendra ...... its a big list, they are also struggled. But Mantraanustana will make upasaka above all these, I agree up to reaching one stage trigunas will disturb him more and more. After that stage he cant be a man, he will be GOD. Even selfless actions also will lead to karma (I mean if a person is helping to another without expecting anything also leads to karma( as I said in my previous post, Avasyamanubhothayam ), again you will get help from some other person). Even we follow NaradaBhakti sutras or Narada Parivrajaka sutras also, there are some examples suffered from trigunas. Many people pray GOD for a kamya, if it is served they will stop praying him, this is not mantranustana. Valmiki or ratnakara he is not done any upasana as we are discussing in this forum, he stopped everything and started chanting the "ram" word round the clock, the word world knows. In Hindusim which one is not a mantra? Rama, krishna, Shiva, sakthi, All alphabets are mantras, each alphabet is one beejakshara. All are doing somehow anustana evaryday, but not in a proper way (If is not in a regular passion), but they dnt know. All alphabets came from Lord Maheswara damaru. In our hindusim many people dnt know even for brushing , tongue cleaning, bathing, tilakadharana or bhasmadharana, vasthra dharana, plucking flowers, mala dharana, rudraksha dharana, while sitting , before travel, on the way, before going to bed, before and after eating food, drinking water, drinking fruit juices,..... and all mantras are there. Now we are discussing about the main root of Hindutwa, because of this karma siddhanta only we remained in this world, because of the same only we are getting recognization, because of the same only we are have less crime rates, .... Papam,karma If we trouble others we have to face the same in future , see its a great concept, some people may not fear about anything including GOD , but they will fear about their Karma especially papam. This is the foundation for our society. Other wise if God is talking to us daily, we will keep our hands on his shoulder. That’s why na parikshaya datavyam(without proper test we guru cannot give upadesa) came. The upasaka may use mantra for silly purposes like someone haven’t said Good morning and then mantra prayoga on him. Our ancestors are great they kept many constraints on both Guru and upasaka. If a person leaving trigunas, there is no need of GOD for him. He will be in enjoying the Brahmananda. Lord Maheswara gotra rishis(Pancharsheka m in the gotra) are nirguna, niranjana, nirvikalpa, .... Bhaavathetam triguna rahitham parvathesam namami... Narasimha --- On Tue, 6/23/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, "Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva" <BhagavataSeva>, USBrahmins@gro ups.comTuesday, June 23, 2009, 3:14 AM I beg to differ with Narasimha Rao on his statement that Mantra Anushtanam alone can save one from future karmas. One can be meticulous about observing all the Anushtanas prescribed by the scriptures(Vihitakarmas). But if he performs any action driven by the Gunas(Sattva, Rajas and Tamas) he is bound to accumulate vasanas or karma in future also. It is not adequate to be rituals-bound( karmata). Selfless actions and actions performed in a spirit of detachment and sacrifice alone can qualify for karmarahita state. Unless one surrenders his ego at the feet of God, he is bound to incur karma. Chanting of Gayatri Mantra, will definitely protect you from sins, provided you are a Gunaatheetha, that is to say, your actions are not swayed by the Gunas. G.Balasubramanian--- On Tue, 6/23/09, J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 > wrote: J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 23, 2009, 12:26 AM Hi all, Avasyamanubhoktavya m krutham karma subhasubham| | Whatever good or bad we are to experience. Karma has to be experienced, then only your path is laid to moksha or janma rahithyam(mean no rebirth). If we are suffering from diseases means that is this janam bad karma. If it is mano badha means that is purva janam krutham. But Gayatri mantra can only destroy karma. Other many mantras will save you from papam (Duritham) and kastam. This is the quote from Vedas. Gayathri will melt karma just like ice berg by sunshine. If you ask GOD he will postphone your duskarma. Again you have to experience the same in future. But karma is very very strong then anything in this universe. If we trust GOD it will be less impact like we may experience in swapna(Dream) . But please dnt ask GOD for rebirth for few minutes in this janma. Again you need to experience all these. Mantranustanam will save you from future karma. Thank you Sivarpanam Narasimha --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHgbsub , om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comMonday, June 22, 2009, 12:57 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------surekha tennetivenugopal <sue_venu21 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:58 AMRe: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHG Balasubramanian <gbsub >Cc: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> Dear Mr Balasubramanyam: What you say, and often said by great philosophers and our great books is all fine to read- but in truth, it is near-impossible for a normal person, unless the person has already become divine. I lost my husband 15 years ago- but time has not ony not healed the pain, it is worse now.. Of course we all have our ways to carry on living despite pain.. With respect, Surekha Tenneti Venugopal --- On Mon, 22/6/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHMonday, 22 June, 2009, 7:39 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:09 AM[om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHUSBrahmins@gro ups.com, om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva <BhagavataSeva> DEAR FRIENDS,As human beings it is but natural on our part to grieve over the death of somebody, especially, of persons whom we have heard about, or we have known or interacted or with whom we had emotinal ties apart from blood relations. But let us pause here and ponder for a minute. Death is only for the Physical Body which goes back to the five Gross Elements(Pancha Boothas). The Atma has no death. Nor it had a birth. Along with the accumulated Vasanas in the subtle and causal bodies the Atma is choosing another body suited to those Vasanas where it can exhaust them by either suffering or enjoying. This process of exhaustion of accumulated vasanas might call for births in several bodies successively. Of course, there is a possibility of adding new Vasanas and that is how the cycle of births and deaths take place. A Sadhaka should stive for Birthlessness by doing appropriate Sadhana and seek the Grace of God for Moksha /Liberation / Self-realization which is THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF OUR LIFE. G.Balasubramanian ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. ICC World Twenty20 England '09 exclusively on ! CRICKET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 The sages have provided remedies for all possible mistakes.That is PRAYASCHITHAMs Even at the end of every action we say MANTRAHEENAM KRIYAHEENAM etc etc and offer them at the feet of LORD and RECITE THE NAME OF KRISHNA. Also SARVAM BRAHMANAM ASTHU is added at then end of all our actions. Even after reciting Gayatri this prayschitham is offered. Our scriptures also say that the name of GOD is so powerful to remove all our sins and no human being can do that much sin even after several births which cannot be wiped out by the GODS name. What is needed is our steadfast belief in the efficacy of GODS namr TRC On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 3:44 PM, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote: I beg to differ with Narasimha Rao on his statement that Mantra Anushtanam alone can save one from future karmas. One can be meticulous about observing all the Anushtanas prescribed by the scriptures(Vihitakarmas). But if he performs any action driven by the Gunas(Sattva, Rajas and Tamas) he is bound to accumulate vasanas or karma in future also. It is not adequate to be rituals-bound(karmata). Selfless actions and actions performed in a spirit of detachment and sacrifice alone can qualify for karmarahita state. Unless one surrenders his ego at the feet of God, he is bound to incur karma. Chanting of Gayatri Mantra, will definitely protect you from sins, provided you are a Gunaatheetha, that is to say, your actions are not swayed by the Gunas. G.Balasubramanian--- On Tue, 6/23/09, J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 wrote: J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6Re: Fwd: Fwd: SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATH Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 12:26 AM Hi all, Avasyamanubhoktavya m krutham karma subhasubham| | Whatever good or bad we are to experience. Karma has to be experienced, then only your path is laid to moksha or janma rahithyam(mean no rebirth). If we are suffering from diseases means that is this janam bad karma. If it is mano badha means that is purva janam krutham. But Gayatri mantra can only destroy karma. Other many mantras will save you from papam (Duritham) and kastam. This is the quote from Vedas. Gayathri will melt karma just like ice berg by sunshine. If you ask GOD he will postphone your duskarma. Again you have to experience the same in future. But karma is very very strong then anything in this universe. If we trust GOD it will be less impact like we may experience in swapna(Dream) . But please dnt ask GOD for rebirth for few minutes in this janma. Again you need to experience all these. Mantranustanam will save you from future karma. Thank you Sivarpanam Narasimha --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATH gbsub , om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comMonday, June 22, 2009, 12:57 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------surekha tennetivenugopal <sue_venu21 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:58 AMRe: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHG Balasubramanian <gbsub > Cc: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> Dear Mr Balasubramanyam: What you say, and often said by great philosophers and our great books is all fine to read- but in truth, it is near-impossible for a normal person, unless the person has already become divine. I lost my husband 15 years ago- but time has not ony not healed the pain, it is worse now.. Of course we all have our ways to carry on living despite pain.. With respect, Surekha Tenneti Venugopal --- On Mon, 22/6/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHMonday, 22 June, 2009, 7:39 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------G Balasubramanian <gbsub > Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:09 AM[om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHUSBrahmins@gro ups.com, om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva <BhagavataSeva> DEAR FRIENDS,As human beings it is but natural on our part to grieve over the death of somebody, especially, of persons whom we have heard about, or we have known or interacted or with whom we had emotinal ties apart from blood relations. But let us pause here and ponder for a minute. Death is only for the Physical Body which goes back to the five Gross Elements(Pancha Boothas). The Atma has no death. Nor it had a birth. Along with the accumulated Vasanas in the subtle and causal bodies the Atma is choosing another body suited to those Vasanas where it can exhaust them by either suffering or enjoying. This process of exhaustion of accumulated vasanas might call for births in several bodies successively. Of course, there is a possibility of adding new Vasanas and that is how the cycle of births and deaths take place. A Sadhaka should stive for Birthlessness by doing appropriate Sadhana and seek the Grace of God for Moksha /Liberation / Self-realization which is THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF OUR LIFE. G.Balasubramanian ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Hi Ji, I agree with you sir, and its sounds easyto understand now. Thank you Narasimha--- On Tue, 6/23/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsubRe: Fwd: Fwd: SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATH Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 7:43 PM Dear Narasimha,What I would like to stress is that karmaphala has to be surrendered to God. Doing action in a spirit of total detachment and without claiming the fruits of action will not bind a man. That is what the Upanishads and Bhagawad Gita proclaim.G.Balasubramanian --- On Wed, 6/24/09, J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 > wrote: J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, June 24, 2009, 12:32 AM Hi , I agree with Sri GB point, but for a normal person it a very difficult to leave satva, rajas, tamo gunas and surrendering EGO to GOD. Its sounds simple but I suppose a person cant be Gunarahitha. Even Vasista, viswamitra, agasthya, durvasa, vaisampayana , Devendra ...... its a big list, they are also struggled. But Mantraanustana will make upasaka above all these, I agree up to reaching one stage trigunas will disturb him more and more. After that stage he cant be a man, he will be GOD. Even selfless actions also will lead to karma (I mean if a person is helping to another without expecting anything also leads to karma( as I said in my previous post, Avasyamanubhothayam ), again you will get help from some other person). Even we follow NaradaBhakti sutras or Narada Parivrajaka sutras also, there are some examples suffered from trigunas. Many people pray GOD for a kamya, if it is served they will stop praying him, this is not mantranustana. Valmiki or ratnakara he is not done any upasana as we are discussing in this forum, he stopped everything and started chanting the "ram" word round the clock, the word world knows. In Hindusim which one is not a mantra? Rama, krishna, Shiva, sakthi, All alphabets are mantras, each alphabet is one beejakshara. All are doing somehow anustana evaryday, but not in a proper way (If is not in a regular passion), but they dnt know. All alphabets came from Lord Maheswara damaru. In our hindusim many people dnt know even for brushing , tongue cleaning, bathing, tilakadharana or bhasmadharana, vasthra dharana, plucking flowers, mala dharana, rudraksha dharana, while sitting , before travel, on the way, before going to bed, before and after eating food, drinking water, drinking fruit juices,..... and all mantras are there. Now we are discussing about the main root of Hindutwa, because of this karma siddhanta only we remained in this world, because of the same only we are getting recognization, because of the same only we are have less crime rates, .... Papam,karma If we trouble others we have to face the same in future , see its a great concept, some people may not fear about anything including GOD , but they will fear about their Karma especially papam. This is the foundation for our society. Other wise if God is talking to us daily, we will keep our hands on his shoulder. That’s why na parikshaya datavyam(without proper test we guru cannot give upadesa) came. The upasaka may use mantra for silly purposes like someone haven’t said Good morning and then mantra prayoga on him. Our ancestors are great they kept many constraints on both Guru and upasaka. If a person leaving trigunas, there is no need of GOD for him. He will be in enjoying the Brahmananda. Lord Maheswara gotra rishis(Pancharsheka m in the gotra) are nirguna, niranjana, nirvikalpa, .... Bhaavathetam triguna rahitham parvathesam namami... Narasimha --- On Tue, 6/23/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, "Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva" <BhagavataSeva>, USBrahmins@gro ups.comTuesday, June 23, 2009, 3:14 AM I beg to differ with Narasimha Rao on his statement that Mantra Anushtanam alone can save one from future karmas. One can be meticulous about observing all the Anushtanas prescribed by the scriptures(Vihitakarmas). But if he performs any action driven by the Gunas(Sattva, Rajas and Tamas) he is bound to accumulate vasanas or karma in future also. It is not adequate to be rituals-bound( karmata). Selfless actions and actions performed in a spirit of detachment and sacrifice alone can qualify for karmarahita state. Unless one surrenders his ego at the feet of God, he is bound to incur karma. Chanting of Gayatri Mantra, will definitely protect you from sins, provided you are a Gunaatheetha, that is to say, your actions are not swayed by the Gunas. G.Balasubramanian--- On Tue, 6/23/09, J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 > wrote: J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 23, 2009, 12:26 AM Hi all, Avasyamanubhoktavya m krutham karma subhasubham| | Whatever good or bad we are to experience. Karma has to be experienced, then only your path is laid to moksha or janma rahithyam(mean no rebirth). If we are suffering from diseases means that is this janam bad karma. If it is mano badha means that is purva janam krutham. But Gayatri mantra can only destroy karma. Other many mantras will save you from papam (Duritham) and kastam. This is the quote from Vedas. Gayathri will melt karma just like ice berg by sunshine. If you ask GOD he will postphone your duskarma. Again you have to experience the same in future. But karma is very very strong then anything in this universe. If we trust GOD it will be less impact like we may experience in swapna(Dream) . But please dnt ask GOD for rebirth for few minutes in this janma. Again you need to experience all these. Mantranustanam will save you from future karma. Thank you Sivarpanam Narasimha --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHgbsub , om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comMonday, June 22, 2009, 12:57 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------surekha tennetivenugopal <sue_venu21 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:58 AMRe: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHG Balasubramanian <gbsub >Cc: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> Dear Mr Balasubramanyam: What you say, and often said by great philosophers and our great books is all fine to read- but in truth, it is near-impossible for a normal person, unless the person has already become divine. I lost my husband 15 years ago- but time has not ony not healed the pain, it is worse now.. Of course we all have our ways to carry on living despite pain.. With respect, Surekha Tenneti Venugopal --- On Mon, 22/6/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHMonday, 22 June, 2009, 7:39 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:09 AM[om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHUSBrahmins@gro ups.com, om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva <BhagavataSeva> DEAR FRIENDS,As human beings it is but natural on our part to grieve over the death of somebody, especially, of persons whom we have heard about, or we have known or interacted or with whom we had emotinal ties apart from blood relations. But let us pause here and ponder for a minute. Death is only for the Physical Body which goes back to the five Gross Elements(Pancha Boothas). The Atma has no death. Nor it had a birth. Along with the accumulated Vasanas in the subtle and causal bodies the Atma is choosing another body suited to those Vasanas where it can exhaust them by either suffering or enjoying. This process of exhaustion of accumulated vasanas might call for births in several bodies successively. Of course, there is a possibility of adding new Vasanas and that is how the cycle of births and deaths take place. A Sadhaka should stive for Birthlessness by doing appropriate Sadhana and seek the Grace of God for Moksha /Liberation / Self-realization which is THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF OUR LIFE. G.Balasubramanian ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Hi I dnt know DEATH is long vacation or long leave, it depends on person to person, but if we trust karma, we can't enjoy our holiday because we have to take punishments for our karmas on earth. Moreover here we dnt know about our past janmas, so no tensions , but after death we can see what our people are doing here. They may or maynot drop even a spoon of water for us. As we dnt know we will think there is no tensions after death. DEATH of 3 types Vedoktha ayurdayam: It is defined by vedas. I suppose its 1000 years. Purnayurdayam: Its one cycle of all graha dasas in you horo. (I suppose its 128 years), but some bad grahas will cause death. Sudden DEATH: Its by some Shaap or Yamaganda,.... Above 3 deaths I am not sure about numbers, anyone please correct me, I forgotten. Thank you Narasimha--- On Wed, 6/24/09, ajay gaba <ajaigaba wrote: ajay gaba <ajaigabaRe: Fwd: Fwd: SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATH Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 6:30 AM according to me death is a reallty and we have to accept it as a long holiday, a long sleep without tension, a sweet festival, because as per hindutva atma is immortal SHASTRA ISE CHED NAHI SAKTE, AGNI ISE JALA NAHI SAKTI, VAYU ISE SUKHA NAHI SAKTI, ATMA AJAR AMAR HAI. so we should enjoy it. Ajay gaba --- On Wed, 24/6/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, 24 June, 2009, 8:13 AM Dear Narasimha,What I would like to stress is that karmaphala has to be surrendered to God. Doing action in a spirit of total detachment and without claiming the fruits of action will not bind a man. That is what the Upanishads and Bhagawad Gita proclaim.G.Balasubramanian --- On Wed, 6/24/09, J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 > wrote: J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, June 24, 2009, 12:32 AM Hi , I agree with Sri GB point, but for a normal person it a very difficult to leave satva, rajas, tamo gunas and surrendering EGO to GOD. Its sounds simple but I suppose a person cant be Gunarahitha. Even Vasista, viswamitra, agasthya, durvasa, vaisampayana , Devendra ...... its a big list, they are also struggled. But Mantraanustana will make upasaka above all these, I agree up to reaching one stage trigunas will disturb him more and more. After that stage he cant be a man, he will be GOD. Even selfless actions also will lead to karma (I mean if a person is helping to another without expecting anything also leads to karma( as I said in my previous post, Avasyamanubhothayam ), again you will get help from some other person). Even we follow NaradaBhakti sutras or Narada Parivrajaka sutras also, there are some examples suffered from trigunas. Many people pray GOD for a kamya, if it is served they will stop praying him, this is not mantranustana. Valmiki or ratnakara he is not done any upasana as we are discussing in this forum, he stopped everything and started chanting the "ram" word round the clock, the word world knows. In Hindusim which one is not a mantra? Rama, krishna, Shiva, sakthi, All alphabets are mantras, each alphabet is one beejakshara. All are doing somehow anustana evaryday, but not in a proper way (If is not in a regular passion), but they dnt know. All alphabets came from Lord Maheswara damaru. In our hindusim many people dnt know even for brushing , tongue cleaning, bathing, tilakadharana or bhasmadharana, vasthra dharana, plucking flowers, mala dharana, rudraksha dharana, while sitting , before travel, on the way, before going to bed, before and after eating food, drinking water, drinking fruit juices,..... and all mantras are there. Now we are discussing about the main root of Hindutwa, because of this karma siddhanta only we remained in this world, because of the same only we are getting recognization, because of the same only we are have less crime rates, .... Papam,karma If we trouble others we have to face the same in future , see its a great concept, some people may not fear about anything including GOD , but they will fear about their Karma especially papam. This is the foundation for our society. Other wise if God is talking to us daily, we will keep our hands on his shoulder. That’s why na parikshaya datavyam(without proper test we guru cannot give upadesa) came. The upasaka may use mantra for silly purposes like someone haven’t said Good morning and then mantra prayoga on him. Our ancestors are great they kept many constraints on both Guru and upasaka. If a person leaving trigunas, there is no need of GOD for him. He will be in enjoying the Brahmananda. Lord Maheswara gotra rishis(Pancharsheka m in the gotra) are nirguna, niranjana, nirvikalpa, .... Bhaavathetam triguna rahitham parvathesam namami... Narasimha --- On Tue, 6/23/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, "Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva" <BhagavataSeva>, USBrahmins@gro ups.comTuesday, June 23, 2009, 3:14 AM I beg to differ with Narasimha Rao on his statement that Mantra Anushtanam alone can save one from future karmas. One can be meticulous about observing all the Anushtanas prescribed by the scriptures(Vihitakarmas). But if he performs any action driven by the Gunas(Sattva, Rajas and Tamas) he is bound to accumulate vasanas or karma in future also. It is not adequate to be rituals-bound( karmata). Selfless actions and actions performed in a spirit of detachment and sacrifice alone can qualify for karmarahita state. Unless one surrenders his ego at the feet of God, he is bound to incur karma. Chanting of Gayatri Mantra, will definitely protect you from sins, provided you are a Gunaatheetha, that is to say, your actions are not swayed by the Gunas. G.Balasubramanian--- On Tue, 6/23/09, J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 > wrote: J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 23, 2009, 12:26 AM Hi all, Avasyamanubhoktavya m krutham karma subhasubham| | Whatever good or bad we are to experience. Karma has to be experienced, then only your path is laid to moksha or janma rahithyam(mean no rebirth). If we are suffering from diseases means that is this janam bad karma. If it is mano badha means that is purva janam krutham. But Gayatri mantra can only destroy karma. Other many mantras will save you from papam (Duritham) and kastam. This is the quote from Vedas. Gayathri will melt karma just like ice berg by sunshine. If you ask GOD he will postphone your duskarma. Again you have to experience the same in future. But karma is very very strong then anything in this universe. If we trust GOD it will be less impact like we may experience in swapna(Dream) . But please dnt ask GOD for rebirth for few minutes in this janma. Again you need to experience all these. Mantranustanam will save you from future karma. Thank you Sivarpanam Narasimha --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHgbsub , om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comMonday, June 22, 2009, 12:57 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------surekha tennetivenugopal <sue_venu21 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:58 AMRe: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHG Balasubramanian <gbsub >Cc: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> Dear Mr Balasubramanyam: What you say, and often said by great philosophers and our great books is all fine to read- but in truth, it is near-impossible for a normal person, unless the person has already become divine. I lost my husband 15 years ago- but time has not ony not healed the pain, it is worse now.. Of course we all have our ways to carry on living despite pain.. With respect, Surekha Tenneti Venugopal --- On Mon, 22/6/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHMonday, 22 June, 2009, 7:39 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:09 AM[om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHUSBrahmins@gro ups.com, om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva <BhagavataSeva> DEAR FRIENDS,As human beings it is but natural on our part to grieve over the death of somebody, especially, of persons whom we have heard about, or we have known or interacted or with whom we had emotinal ties apart from blood relations. But let us pause here and ponder for a minute. Death is only for the Physical Body which goes back to the five Gross Elements(Pancha Boothas). The Atma has no death. Nor it had a birth. Along with the accumulated Vasanas in the subtle and causal bodies the Atma is choosing another body suited to those Vasanas where it can exhaust them by either suffering or enjoying. This process of exhaustion of accumulated vasanas might call for births in several bodies successively. Of course, there is a possibility of adding new Vasanas and that is how the cycle of births and deaths take place. A Sadhaka should stive for Birthlessness by doing appropriate Sadhana and seek the Grace of God for Moksha /Liberation / Self-realization which is THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF OUR LIFE. G.Balasubramanian ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. ICC World Twenty20 England '09 exclusively on ! CRICKET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Om Namah Shivaya, What scriptures say is symbolic, so that atlease the EGO will start realizing its sins and faults. Real grace from GOD will come only when the prayaschittam comes deep from our heart and we completely surrender our EGO and become COMPASSIONATE as Balasubramanian ji has mentioned. In Divine Love, Divakar. --- On Wed, 6/24/09, Tiruvarur Chandrasekaran <tiruvarur wrote: Tiruvarur Chandrasekaran <tiruvarurRe: Fwd: Fwd: SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATH Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 1:48 PM The sages have provided remedies for all possible mistakes.That is PRAYASCHITHAMs Even at the end of every action we say MANTRAHEENAM KRIYAHEENAM etc etc and offer them at the feet of LORD and RECITE THE NAME OF KRISHNA. Also SARVAM BRAHMANAM ASTHU is added at then end of all our actions. Even after reciting Gayatri this prayschitham is offered. Our scriptures also say that the name of GOD is so powerful to remove all our sins and no human being can do that much sin even after several births which cannot be wiped out by the GODS name. What is needed is our steadfast belief in the efficacy of GODS namr TRC On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 3:44 PM, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: I beg to differ with Narasimha Rao on his statement that Mantra Anushtanam alone can save one from future karmas. One can be meticulous about observing all the Anushtanas prescribed by the scriptures(Vihitakarmas). But if he performs any action driven by the Gunas(Sattva, Rajas and Tamas) he is bound to accumulate vasanas or karma in future also. It is not adequate to be rituals-bound( karmata). Selfless actions and actions performed in a spirit of detachment and sacrifice alone can qualify for karmarahita state. Unless one surrenders his ego at the feet of God, he is bound to incur karma. Chanting of Gayatri Mantra, will definitely protect you from sins, provided you are a Gunaatheetha, that is to say, your actions are not swayed by the Gunas. G.Balasubramanian--- On Tue, 6/23/09, J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 > wrote: J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 23, 2009, 12:26 AM Hi all, Avasyamanubhoktavya m krutham karma subhasubham| | Whatever good or bad we are to experience. Karma has to be experienced, then only your path is laid to moksha or janma rahithyam(mean no rebirth). If we are suffering from diseases means that is this janam bad karma. If it is mano badha means that is purva janam krutham. But Gayatri mantra can only destroy karma. Other many mantras will save you from papam (Duritham) and kastam. This is the quote from Vedas. Gayathri will melt karma just like ice berg by sunshine. If you ask GOD he will postphone your duskarma. Again you have to experience the same in future. But karma is very very strong then anything in this universe. If we trust GOD it will be less impact like we may experience in swapna(Dream) . But please dnt ask GOD for rebirth for few minutes in this janma. Again you need to experience all these. Mantranustanam will save you from future karma. Thank you Sivarpanam Narasimha --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHgbsub , om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comMonday, June 22, 2009, 12:57 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------surekha tennetivenugopal <sue_venu21 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:58 AMRe: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHG Balasubramanian <gbsub >Cc: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> Dear Mr Balasubramanyam: What you say, and often said by great philosophers and our great books is all fine to read- but in truth, it is near-impossible for a normal person, unless the person has already become divine. I lost my husband 15 years ago- but time has not ony not healed the pain, it is worse now.. Of course we all have our ways to carry on living despite pain.. With respect, Surekha Tenneti Venugopal --- On Mon, 22/6/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHMonday, 22 June, 2009, 7:39 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:09 AM[om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHUSBrahmins@gro ups.com, om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva <BhagavataSeva> DEAR FRIENDS,As human beings it is but natural on our part to grieve over the death of somebody, especially, of persons whom we have heard about, or we have known or interacted or with whom we had emotinal ties apart from blood relations. But let us pause here and ponder for a minute. Death is only for the Physical Body which goes back to the five Gross Elements(Pancha Boothas). The Atma has no death. Nor it had a birth. Along with the accumulated Vasanas in the subtle and causal bodies the Atma is choosing another body suited to those Vasanas where it can exhaust them by either suffering or enjoying. This process of exhaustion of accumulated vasanas might call for births in several bodies successively. Of course, there is a possibility of adding new Vasanas and that is how the cycle of births and deaths take place. A Sadhaka should stive for Birthlessness by doing appropriate Sadhana and seek the Grace of God for Moksha /Liberation / Self-realization which is THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF OUR LIFE. G.Balasubramanian ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Dear Friends, " Jeevema Saradassatam, Shataayushmaan Bhava, Shatamaanam Bhavati sataayushya "etc. etc. are the vedic blessings. Sata Means 100. Hence Vedokta Ayurdayam is only 100 years and not 1000 years. Graha Ayurdayam is 120 years and not 128 years. 120 is obtained by adding the full length of major periods(Dasas) of all the nine planets including Rahu and Ketu(Sun 6 years+Moon 10years+Mars7 years+Rahu 18 years+Guru16 years+Sani 19 years+Budha17 years+Ketu7years+Sukra20 years= 120 years).The third type of death is called 'apamrityu' or 'durmaranam' etc. etc. This can happen anytime to anybody ..G.BalasubramanianJ.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 3:20:58 PMRe: Fwd: Fwd: SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATH Hi I dnt know DEATH is long vacation or long leave, it depends on person to person, but if we trust karma, we can't enjoy our holiday because we have to take punishments for our karmas on earth. Moreover here we dnt know about our past janmas, so no tensions , but after death we can see what our people are doing here. They may or maynot drop even a spoon of water for us. As we dnt know we will think there is no tensions after death. DEATH of 3 types Vedoktha ayurdayam: It is defined by vedas. I suppose its 1000 years. Purnayurdayam: Its one cycle of all graha dasas in you horo. (I suppose its 128 years), but some bad grahas will cause death. Sudden DEATH: Its by some Shaap or Yamaganda,.. .. Above 3 deaths I am not sure about numbers, anyone please correct me, I forgotten. Thank you Narasimha--- On Wed, 6/24/09, ajay gaba <ajaigaba (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: ajay gaba <ajaigaba (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, June 24, 2009, 6:30 AM according to me death is a reallty and we have to accept it as a long holiday, a long sleep without tension, a sweet festival, because as per hindutva atma is immortal SHASTRA ISE CHED NAHI SAKTE, AGNI ISE JALA NAHI SAKTI, VAYU ISE SUKHA NAHI SAKTI, ATMA AJAR AMAR HAI. so we should enjoy it. Ajay gaba --- On Wed, 24/6/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, 24 June, 2009, 8:13 AM Dear Narasimha,What I would like to stress is that karmaphala has to be surrendered to God. Doing action in a spirit of total detachment and without claiming the fruits of action will not bind a man. That is what the Upanishads and Bhagawad Gita proclaim.G.Balasubramanian --- On Wed, 6/24/09, J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 > wrote: J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, June 24, 2009, 12:32 AM Hi , I agree with Sri GB point, but for a normal person it a very difficult to leave satva, rajas, tamo gunas and surrendering EGO to GOD. Its sounds simple but I suppose a person cant be Gunarahitha. Even Vasista, viswamitra, agasthya, durvasa, vaisampayana , Devendra ...... its a big list, they are also struggled. But Mantraanustana will make upasaka above all these, I agree up to reaching one stage trigunas will disturb him more and more. After that stage he cant be a man, he will be GOD. Even selfless actions also will lead to karma (I mean if a person is helping to another without expecting anything also leads to karma( as I said in my previous post, Avasyamanubhothayam ), again you will get help from some other person). Even we follow NaradaBhakti sutras or Narada Parivrajaka sutras also, there are some examples suffered from trigunas. Many people pray GOD for a kamya, if it is served they will stop praying him, this is not mantranustana. Valmiki or ratnakara he is not done any upasana as we are discussing in this forum, he stopped everything and started chanting the "ram" word round the clock, the word world knows. In Hindusim which one is not a mantra? Rama, krishna, Shiva, sakthi, All alphabets are mantras, each alphabet is one beejakshara. All are doing somehow anustana evaryday, but not in a proper way (If is not in a regular passion), but they dnt know. All alphabets came from Lord Maheswara damaru. In our hindusim many people dnt know even for brushing , tongue cleaning, bathing, tilakadharana or bhasmadharana, vasthra dharana, plucking flowers, mala dharana, rudraksha dharana, while sitting , before travel, on the way, before going to bed, before and after eating food, drinking water, drinking fruit juices,..... and all mantras are there. Now we are discussing about the main root of Hindutwa, because of this karma siddhanta only we remained in this world, because of the same only we are getting recognization, because of the same only we are have less crime rates, .... Papam,karma If we trouble others we have to face the same in future , see its a great concept, some people may not fear about anything including GOD , but they will fear about their Karma especially papam. This is the foundation for our society. Other wise if God is talking to us daily, we will keep our hands on his shoulder. That’s why na parikshaya datavyam(without proper test we guru cannot give upadesa) came. The upasaka may use mantra for silly purposes like someone haven’t said Good morning and then mantra prayoga on him. Our ancestors are great they kept many constraints on both Guru and upasaka. If a person leaving trigunas, there is no need of GOD for him. He will be in enjoying the Brahmananda. Lord Maheswara gotra rishis(Pancharsheka m in the gotra) are nirguna, niranjana, nirvikalpa, .... Bhaavathetam triguna rahitham parvathesam namami... Narasimha --- On Tue, 6/23/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, "Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva" <BhagavataSeva>, USBrahmins@gro ups.comTuesday, June 23, 2009, 3:14 AM I beg to differ with Narasimha Rao on his statement that Mantra Anushtanam alone can save one from future karmas. One can be meticulous about observing all the Anushtanas prescribed by the scriptures(Vihitakarmas). But if he performs any action driven by the Gunas(Sattva, Rajas and Tamas) he is bound to accumulate vasanas or karma in future also. It is not adequate to be rituals-bound( karmata). Selfless actions and actions performed in a spirit of detachment and sacrifice alone can qualify for karmarahita state. Unless one surrenders his ego at the feet of God, he is bound to incur karma. Chanting of Gayatri Mantra, will definitely protect you from sins, provided you are a Gunaatheetha, that is to say, your actions are not swayed by the Gunas. G.Balasubramanian--- On Tue, 6/23/09, J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 > wrote: J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 23, 2009, 12:26 AM Hi all, Avasyamanubhoktavya m krutham karma subhasubham| | Whatever good or bad we are to experience. Karma has to be experienced, then only your path is laid to moksha or janma rahithyam(mean no rebirth). If we are suffering from diseases means that is this janam bad karma. If it is mano badha means that is purva janam krutham. But Gayatri mantra can only destroy karma. Other many mantras will save you from papam (Duritham) and kastam. This is the quote from Vedas. Gayathri will melt karma just like ice berg by sunshine. If you ask GOD he will postphone your duskarma. Again you have to experience the same in future. But karma is very very strong then anything in this universe. If we trust GOD it will be less impact like we may experience in swapna(Dream) . But please dnt ask GOD for rebirth for few minutes in this janma. Again you need to experience all these. Mantranustanam will save you from future karma. Thank you Sivarpanam Narasimha --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHgbsub , om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comMonday, June 22, 2009, 12:57 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------surekha tennetivenugopal <sue_venu21 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:58 AMRe: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHG Balasubramanian <gbsub >Cc: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> Dear Mr Balasubramanyam: What you say, and often said by great philosophers and our great books is all fine to read- but in truth, it is near-impossible for a normal person, unless the person has already become divine. I lost my husband 15 years ago- but time has not ony not healed the pain, it is worse now.. Of course we all have our ways to carry on living despite pain.. With respect, Surekha Tenneti Venugopal --- On Mon, 22/6/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHMonday, 22 June, 2009, 7:39 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:09 AM[om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHUSBrahmins@gro ups.com, om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva <BhagavataSeva> DEAR FRIENDS,As human beings it is but natural on our part to grieve over the death of somebody, especially, of persons whom we have heard about, or we have known or interacted or with whom we had emotinal ties apart from blood relations. But let us pause here and ponder for a minute. Death is only for the Physical Body which goes back to the five Gross Elements(Pancha Boothas). The Atma has no death. Nor it had a birth. Along with the accumulated Vasanas in the subtle and causal bodies the Atma is choosing another body suited to those Vasanas where it can exhaust them by either suffering or enjoying. This process of exhaustion of accumulated vasanas might call for births in several bodies successively. Of course, there is a possibility of adding new Vasanas and that is how the cycle of births and deaths take place. A Sadhaka should stive for Birthlessness by doing appropriate Sadhana and seek the Grace of God for Moksha /Liberation / Self-realization which is THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF OUR LIFE. G.Balasubramanian ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. ICC World Twenty20 England '09 exclusively on ! CRICKET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Dear Friends,A few mails have been exchanged on this topic in the . I would like to submit that at the end of any anushtana it is both mandatory and customary to offer a prayer seeking apology or pardon or surrender to God which runs as follows:-Kayena Vacha Manasendriyairva buddhyaatmana va prakruteh svabhavaatKaromi yad yad sakalam parasmai naraayanaayeti samarpayaami. Karacharankritam vak kaayajam karmajam manasam va aparaadhamvihitam avihitam va sarvam etat kshamasva Jaya Jaya karunaabdhe Sri Mahadeva SamboVisarga bindu maatraani padapaadaaksharaani chaNyunaani chaathiriktaani kshamasva ParamesvaraAparaadha sahasraani kriyante aharnisam mayaaTaani sahasraani me deva Kshamasva PurushottamaAnyata Saranam Nasti twameva saranam mamatasmaat karunya bhaavena raksha raksha mahesvaraMadhye mantra tantra svara varna dhyaana niyamanyunaathiriktha lopadosha prayaschittartham Atchyuta Ananta Govinda naama traya mahaamantrajapam karishyeAchyutaya Namah, Anantaaya Namha, Govindaya Namah(3 times)No exemption has been granted from Kshama prarthana even for Gayatri Japam which ,no doubt, is the best Mantra. Surrender to God has been considered as inescapable, if not superior to, chanting Gayatri Mantra.I realize that the discussions have deviated from the topic of 'death'(the topic of the original posting) and has centered round 'mantra sadhana'. Let me conclude with another Vedic proclamation:-Na karmana na prajaya dhanena tyagenaikena amrutatwam aasuhParena naakam nihitam guhayaam bibraajatetat yatayo visantiVedanta vigyana sunischitaartaah sanyaasa yogaat yatayas suddhasatwahTe Brahma loke tu paraantakale paraamrutaat etc. etc.parimuchyanti sarveDahram vipaapam parameesva bootham .................The abovementioned Vedic Mantra lays down that only repeat by Sacrifice (detachment, disattachment etc. etc.) can one attain immortality or deathlessness (Amrutatwam). The limitations of Mantra sadhana may be realized from the above.G. Balasubramanian Tiruvarur Chandrasekaran <tiruvarur Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:48:18 PMRe: Fwd: Fwd: SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATH The sages have provided remedies for all possible mistakes.That is PRAYASCHITHAMs Even at the end of every action we say MANTRAHEENAM KRIYAHEENAM etc etc and offer them at the feet of LORD and RECITE THE NAME OF KRISHNA. Also SARVAM BRAHMANAM ASTHU is added at then end of all our actions. Even after reciting Gayatri this prayschitham is offered. Our scriptures also say that the name of GOD is so powerful to remove all our sins and no human being can do that much sin even after several births which cannot be wiped out by the GODS name. What is needed is our steadfast belief in the efficacy of GODS namr TRC On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 3:44 PM, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: I beg to differ with Narasimha Rao on his statement that Mantra Anushtanam alone can save one from future karmas. One can be meticulous about observing all the Anushtanas prescribed by the scriptures(Vihitakarmas). But if he performs any action driven by the Gunas(Sattva, Rajas and Tamas) he is bound to accumulate vasanas or karma in future also. It is not adequate to be rituals-bound( karmata). Selfless actions and actions performed in a spirit of detachment and sacrifice alone can qualify for karmarahita state. Unless one surrenders his ego at the feet of God, he is bound to incur karma. Chanting of Gayatri Mantra, will definitely protect you from sins, provided you are a Gunaatheetha, that is to say, your actions are not swayed by the Gunas. G.Balasubramanian--- On Tue, 6/23/09, J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 > wrote: J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATH om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 23, 2009, 12:26 AM Hi all, Avasyamanubhoktavya m krutham karma subhasubham| | Whatever good or bad we are to experience. Karma has to be experienced, then only your path is laid to moksha or janma rahithyam(mean no rebirth). If we are suffering from diseases means that is this janam bad karma. If it is mano badha means that is purva janam krutham. But Gayatri mantra can only destroy karma. Other many mantras will save you from papam (Duritham) and kastam. This is the quote from Vedas. Gayathri will melt karma just like ice berg by sunshine. If you ask GOD he will postphone your duskarma. Again you have to experience the same in future. But karma is very very strong then anything in this universe. If we trust GOD it will be less impact like we may experience in swapna(Dream) . But please dnt ask GOD for rebirth for few minutes in this janma. Again you need to experience all these. Mantranustanam will save you from future karma. Thank you Sivarpanam Narasimha --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATH gbsub , om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comMonday, June 22, 2009, 12:57 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------surekha tennetivenugopal <sue_venu21 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:58 AMRe: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHG Balasubramanian <gbsub > Cc: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> Dear Mr Balasubramanyam: What you say, and often said by great philosophers and our great books is all fine to read- but in truth, it is near-impossible for a normal person, unless the person has already become divine. I lost my husband 15 years ago- but time has not ony not healed the pain, it is worse now.. Of course we all have our ways to carry on living despite pain.. With respect, Surekha Tenneti Venugopal --- On Mon, 22/6/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHMonday, 22 June, 2009, 7:39 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------G Balasubramanian <gbsub > Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:09 AM[om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHUSBrahmins@gro ups.com, om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva <BhagavataSeva> DEAR FRIENDS,As human beings it is but natural on our part to grieve over the death of somebody, especially, of persons whom we have heard about, or we have known or interacted or with whom we had emotinal ties apart from blood relations. But let us pause here and ponder for a minute. Death is only for the Physical Body which goes back to the five Gross Elements(Pancha Boothas). The Atma has no death. Nor it had a birth. Along with the accumulated Vasanas in the subtle and causal bodies the Atma is choosing another body suited to those Vasanas where it can exhaust them by either suffering or enjoying. This process of exhaustion of accumulated vasanas might call for births in several bodies successively. Of course, there is a possibility of adding new Vasanas and that is how the cycle of births and deaths take place. A Sadhaka should stive for Birthlessness by doing appropriate Sadhana and seek the Grace of God for Moksha /Liberation / Self-realization which is THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF OUR LIFE. G.Balasubramanian ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Hi Sri GBji, Thank you for correcting my statement. Narasimha--- On Wed, 6/24/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsubRe: Fwd: Fwd: SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATH Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 2:04 PM Dear Friends, " Jeevema Saradassatam, Shataayushmaan Bhava, Shatamaanam Bhavati sataayushya "etc. etc. are the vedic blessings. Sata Means 100. Hence Vedokta Ayurdayam is only 100 years and not 1000 years. Graha Ayurdayam is 120 years and not 128 years. 120 is obtained by adding the full length of major periods(Dasas) of all the nine planets including Rahu and Ketu(Sun 6 years+Moon 10years+Mars7 years+Rahu 18 years+Guru16 years+Sani 19 years+Budha17 years+Ketu7years+ Sukra20 years= 120 years).The third type of death is called 'apamrityu' or 'durmaranam' etc. etc. This can happen anytime to anybody .G.Balasubramanian J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, June 24, 2009 3:20:58 PMRe: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATH Hi I dnt know DEATH is long vacation or long leave, it depends on person to person, but if we trust karma, we can't enjoy our holiday because we have to take punishments for our karmas on earth. Moreover here we dnt know about our past janmas, so no tensions , but after death we can see what our people are doing here. They may or maynot drop even a spoon of water for us. As we dnt know we will think there is no tensions after death. DEATH of 3 types Vedoktha ayurdayam: It is defined by vedas. I suppose its 1000 years. Purnayurdayam: Its one cycle of all graha dasas in you horo. (I suppose its 128 years), but some bad grahas will cause death. Sudden DEATH: Its by some Shaap or Yamaganda,.. .. Above 3 deaths I am not sure about numbers, anyone please correct me, I forgotten. Thank you Narasimha--- On Wed, 6/24/09, ajay gaba <ajaigaba (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: ajay gaba <ajaigaba (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, June 24, 2009, 6:30 AM according to me death is a reallty and we have to accept it as a long holiday, a long sleep without tension, a sweet festival, because as per hindutva atma is immortal SHASTRA ISE CHED NAHI SAKTE, AGNI ISE JALA NAHI SAKTI, VAYU ISE SUKHA NAHI SAKTI, ATMA AJAR AMAR HAI. so we should enjoy it. Ajay gaba --- On Wed, 24/6/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, 24 June, 2009, 8:13 AM Dear Narasimha,What I would like to stress is that karmaphala has to be surrendered to God. Doing action in a spirit of total detachment and without claiming the fruits of action will not bind a man. That is what the Upanishads and Bhagawad Gita proclaim.G.Balasubramanian --- On Wed, 6/24/09, J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 > wrote: J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, June 24, 2009, 12:32 AM Hi , I agree with Sri GB point, but for a normal person it a very difficult to leave satva, rajas, tamo gunas and surrendering EGO to GOD. Its sounds simple but I suppose a person cant be Gunarahitha. Even Vasista, viswamitra, agasthya, durvasa, vaisampayana , Devendra ...... its a big list, they are also struggled. But Mantraanustana will make upasaka above all these, I agree up to reaching one stage trigunas will disturb him more and more. After that stage he cant be a man, he will be GOD. Even selfless actions also will lead to karma (I mean if a person is helping to another without expecting anything also leads to karma( as I said in my previous post, Avasyamanubhothayam ), again you will get help from some other person). Even we follow NaradaBhakti sutras or Narada Parivrajaka sutras also, there are some examples suffered from trigunas. Many people pray GOD for a kamya, if it is served they will stop praying him, this is not mantranustana. Valmiki or ratnakara he is not done any upasana as we are discussing in this forum, he stopped everything and started chanting the "ram" word round the clock, the word world knows. In Hindusim which one is not a mantra? Rama, krishna, Shiva, sakthi, All alphabets are mantras, each alphabet is one beejakshara. All are doing somehow anustana evaryday, but not in a proper way (If is not in a regular passion), but they dnt know. All alphabets came from Lord Maheswara damaru. In our hindusim many people dnt know even for brushing , tongue cleaning, bathing, tilakadharana or bhasmadharana, vasthra dharana, plucking flowers, mala dharana, rudraksha dharana, while sitting , before travel, on the way, before going to bed, before and after eating food, drinking water, drinking fruit juices,..... and all mantras are there. Now we are discussing about the main root of Hindutwa, because of this karma siddhanta only we remained in this world, because of the same only we are getting recognization, because of the same only we are have less crime rates, .... Papam,karma If we trouble others we have to face the same in future , see its a great concept, some people may not fear about anything including GOD , but they will fear about their Karma especially papam. This is the foundation for our society. Other wise if God is talking to us daily, we will keep our hands on his shoulder. That’s why na parikshaya datavyam(without proper test we guru cannot give upadesa) came. The upasaka may use mantra for silly purposes like someone haven’t said Good morning and then mantra prayoga on him. Our ancestors are great they kept many constraints on both Guru and upasaka. If a person leaving trigunas, there is no need of GOD for him. He will be in enjoying the Brahmananda. Lord Maheswara gotra rishis(Pancharsheka m in the gotra) are nirguna, niranjana, nirvikalpa, .... Bhaavathetam triguna rahitham parvathesam namami... Narasimha --- On Tue, 6/23/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, "Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva" <BhagavataSeva>, USBrahmins@gro ups.comTuesday, June 23, 2009, 3:14 AM I beg to differ with Narasimha Rao on his statement that Mantra Anushtanam alone can save one from future karmas. One can be meticulous about observing all the Anushtanas prescribed by the scriptures(Vihitakarmas). But if he performs any action driven by the Gunas(Sattva, Rajas and Tamas) he is bound to accumulate vasanas or karma in future also. It is not adequate to be rituals-bound( karmata). Selfless actions and actions performed in a spirit of detachment and sacrifice alone can qualify for karmarahita state. Unless one surrenders his ego at the feet of God, he is bound to incur karma. Chanting of Gayatri Mantra, will definitely protect you from sins, provided you are a Gunaatheetha, that is to say, your actions are not swayed by the Gunas. G.Balasubramanian--- On Tue, 6/23/09, J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 > wrote: J.B.S.L. Narasimha Rao <narsimha6 >Re: Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHom_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comTuesday, June 23, 2009, 12:26 AM Hi all, Avasyamanubhoktavya m krutham karma subhasubham| | Whatever good or bad we are to experience. Karma has to be experienced, then only your path is laid to moksha or janma rahithyam(mean no rebirth). If we are suffering from diseases means that is this janam bad karma. If it is mano badha means that is purva janam krutham. But Gayatri mantra can only destroy karma. Other many mantras will save you from papam (Duritham) and kastam. This is the quote from Vedas. Gayathri will melt karma just like ice berg by sunshine. If you ask GOD he will postphone your duskarma. Again you have to experience the same in future. But karma is very very strong then anything in this universe. If we trust GOD it will be less impact like we may experience in swapna(Dream) . But please dnt ask GOD for rebirth for few minutes in this janma. Again you need to experience all these. Mantranustanam will save you from future karma. Thank you Sivarpanam Narasimha --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHgbsub , om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comMonday, June 22, 2009, 12:57 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------surekha tennetivenugopal <sue_venu21 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:58 AMRe: Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHG Balasubramanian <gbsub >Cc: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> Dear Mr Balasubramanyam: What you say, and often said by great philosophers and our great books is all fine to read- but in truth, it is near-impossible for a normal person, unless the person has already become divine. I lost my husband 15 years ago- but time has not ony not healed the pain, it is worse now.. Of course we all have our ways to carry on living despite pain.. With respect, Surekha Tenneti Venugopal --- On Mon, 22/6/09, Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com> wrote: Anandapadmanaban Subramaniam <anantha1946@ gmail.com>Fwd: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHMonday, 22 June, 2009, 7:39 AM ---------- Forwarded message ----------G Balasubramanian <gbsub >Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 1:09 AM[om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON DEATHUSBrahmins@gro ups.com, om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, Aryakrishti- Vedic-Dharma, Bhagavataseva Bagavataseva <BhagavataSeva> DEAR FRIENDS,As human beings it is but natural on our part to grieve over the death of somebody, especially, of persons whom we have heard about, or we have known or interacted or with whom we had emotinal ties apart from blood relations. But let us pause here and ponder for a minute. Death is only for the Physical Body which goes back to the five Gross Elements(Pancha Boothas). The Atma has no death. Nor it had a birth. Along with the accumulated Vasanas in the subtle and causal bodies the Atma is choosing another body suited to those Vasanas where it can exhaust them by either suffering or enjoying. This process of exhaustion of accumulated vasanas might call for births in several bodies successively. Of course, there is a possibility of adding new Vasanas and that is how the cycle of births and deaths take place. A Sadhaka should stive for Birthlessness by doing appropriate Sadhana and seek the Grace of God for Moksha /Liberation / Self-realization which is THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF OUR LIFE. G.Balasubramanian ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. ICC World Twenty20 England '09 exclusively on ! CRICKET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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