Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Hari OM We have been talking about Atma as Eternal, everlasting, immortal ,immutable, indestructable etc. etc. The word Nitya used in connection with Atma in the scriptures indicates that Atma was existing from the infinite past, is existing at present and will exist in the infinite future. Atma is said to be without any desire and thought or free from conditionings (Nirvikalpa). Incidentally, the impersonal unconditioned stae is referred to as NIRVIKALPA SAMADHI in which state , the senses and mind stop their functions. Since Atma is mindless(Amaanaskah) it is also unconditioned and without thoughts ( Nirvikalpah). Atma is also unsullied (NIranjanah). Anjanah means stain or dirt which refers to Vasanas , the inherent tendencies ,traits, or characteristics which define our personality. They enshroud the Atma in us. But Atma is beyond the Vasanas. Atma," though residing in body, does not get contaminated", as declared by Lord Krishna in chapter 13 of the Gita ( Sareerasthopi Kaunteya na lipyate). The impurities of the mind constitute the obstructions to the knowledge of the ever-present,divine and immortal dimension of man. These impurities are centered in the ego, in its attachments and bondage to the organic system. Search for Truth calls for "elimination of these impurities which alone gives the mind the power to penetrate from the surface to the depths of nature, external or internal", as Swamy Vivekananda calls it. Atma is changeless or without modification(Nirvikarah). The body, mind and Intellect are ever changing in us. A change is noticeable only with reference to a changeless entity. Since we are aware of the changes occuring in us ,there must be a changeless aspect or centre in us with respect to which these changes are cogniseable. This changeless substratum upon which the changes of the body, mind and intellect take place is that pure Self (ATMA). The Self is immutable. Atma is indicated as Avikaryah ie., immutable in the second chapter of the Gita. Moreover, Atma is formless. We know that an object assumes a form when there exists something other than it beyond its material boundary. For example, a ball has a particular form because there is something other than the material of the ball beyond its outline. If the material of the ball extends beyond its outline , the ball will lose its particular shape and form. Since Atma is all-pervading , there exists nothing other than it to define its outline. Hence Atma can not have a form (Aroopam as stated in Katopanishad). (to be continued) G.Balasubramanian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 thirumoolar says atma has form pl look at the pic attached and thirumanthiram verse m.namasivayam--- On Sun, 19/7/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON ATMAUSBrahmins Cc: Date: Sunday, 19 July, 2009, 5:42 PM Hari OM We have been talking about Atma as Eternal, everlasting, immortal ,immutable, indestructable etc. etc. The word Nitya used in connection with Atma in the scriptures indicates that Atma was existing from the infinite past, is existing at present and will exist in the infinite future. Atma is said to be without any desire and thought or free from conditionings (Nirvikalpa) . Incidentally, the impersonal unconditioned stae is referred to as NIRVIKALPA SAMADHI in which state , the senses and mind stop their functions. Since Atma is mindless(Amaanaskah) it is also unconditioned and without thoughts ( Nirvikalpah) . Atma is also unsullied (NIranjanah). Anjanah means stain or dirt which refers to Vasanas , the inherent tendencies ,traits, or characteristics which define our personality.. They enshroud the Atma in us. But Atma is beyond the Vasanas. Atma," though residing in body, does not get contaminated" , as declared by Lord Krishna in chapter 13 of the Gita ( Sareerasthopi Kaunteya na lipyate). The impurities of the mind constitute the obstructions to the knowledge of the ever-present, divine and immortal dimension of man. These impurities are centered in the ego, in its attachments and bondage to the organic system. Search for Truth calls for "elimination of these impurities which alone gives the mind the power to penetrate from the surface to the depths of nature, external or internal", as Swamy Vivekananda calls it. Atma is changeless or without modification(Nirvikarah) . The body, mind and Intellect are ever changing in us. A change is noticeable only with reference to a changeless entity. Since we are aware of the changes occuring in us ,there must be a changeless aspect or centre in us with respect to which these changes are cogniseable. This changeless substratum upon which the changes of the body, mind and intellect take place is that pure Self (ATMA). The Self is immutable. Atma is indicated as Avikaryah ie., immutable in the second chapter of the Gita. Moreover, Atma is formless. We know that an object assumes a form when there exists something other than it beyond its material boundary.. For example, a ball has a particular form because there is something other than the material of the ball beyond its outline. If the material of the ball extends beyond its outline , the ball will lose its particular shape and form. Since Atma is all-pervading , there exists nothing other than it to define its outline. Hence Atma can not have a form (Aroopam as stated in Katopanishad) . (to be continued) G.Balasubramanian Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. 1 of 1 Photo(s) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 saiva siddhantham and the siddhar tradition have deciphered the panjaatcharam manthiram. na ma si va ya i hope you know the meaning na---> earth ma---->wealth si--->.life(jeevan) va--->sakthi ya---->athma if you know tamil you can understand the meaning of the verse by thirumoolar in the picture. m.namasivayam --- On Sun, 19/7/09, Divakara Tanjore <div_tan wrote: Divakara Tanjore <div_tanRe: SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON ATMA Date: Sunday, 19 July, 2009, 11:53 PM dear namasivayam, can you please explain more details on the picture and its significance. Om Namah Shivaya, Divakar. --- On Sun, 7/19/09, nama siva <nama_sivam > wrote: nama siva <nama_sivam >Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON ATMA [1 Attachment]om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comSunday, July 19, 2009, 1:01 PM thirumoolar says atma has form pl look at the pic attached and thirumanthiram verse m.namasivayam--- On Sun, 19/7/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >[om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON ATMAUSBrahmins@gro ups.comCc: om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comSunday, 19 July, 2009, 5:42 PM Hari OM We have been talking about Atma as Eternal, everlasting, immortal ,immutable, indestructable etc. etc. The word Nitya used in connection with Atma in the scriptures indicates that Atma was existing from the infinite past, is existing at present and will exist in the infinite future. Atma is said to be without any desire and thought or free from conditionings (Nirvikalpa) . Incidentally, the impersonal unconditioned stae is referred to as NIRVIKALPA SAMADHI in which state , the senses and mind stop their functions. Since Atma is mindless(Amaanaskah) it is also unconditioned and without thoughts ( Nirvikalpah) . Atma is also unsullied (NIranjanah). Anjanah means stain or dirt which refers to Vasanas , the inherent tendencies ,traits, or characteristics which define our personality.. . They enshroud the Atma in us. But Atma is beyond the Vasanas. Atma," though residing in body, does not get contaminated" , as declared by Lord Krishna in chapter 13 of the Gita ( Sareerasthopi Kaunteya na lipyate). The impurities of the mind constitute the obstructions to the knowledge of the ever-present, divine and immortal dimension of man. These impurities are centered in the ego, in its attachments and bondage to the organic system. Search for Truth calls for "elimination of these impurities which alone gives the mind the power to penetrate from the surface to the depths of nature, external or internal", as Swamy Vivekananda calls it. Atma is changeless or without modification(Nirvikarah) . The body, mind and Intellect are ever changing in us. A change is noticeable only with reference to a changeless entity. Since we are aware of the changes occuring in us ,there must be a changeless aspect or centre in us with respect to which these changes are cogniseable. This changeless substratum upon which the changes of the body, mind and intellect take place is that pure Self (ATMA). The Self is immutable. Atma is indicated as Avikaryah ie., immutable in the second chapter of the Gita. Moreover, Atma is formless. We know that an object assumes a form when there exists something other than it beyond its material boundary... For example, a ball has a particular form because there is something other than the material of the ball beyond its outline. If the material of the ball extends beyond its outline , the ball will lose its particular shape and form. Since Atma is all-pervading , there exists nothing other than it to define its outline. Hence Atma can not have a form (Aroopam as stated in Katopanishad) . (to be continued) G.Balasubramanian Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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