Guest guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Hari OM Atma (Brahman) is referred to as Truth-Knowledge-Infinity (Satyam Gnanaam Anantham) in Taittireeya Upanishad. Satyam refers to that which remains ever the same at all times in the past, present and future . Satyam is normally translated as Truth. The Upanishads declare that if the world of not-truth were regarded as truth, the Self or Atma is the Truth of Truths. This is contained in a significant passage of the Brihadaaranyaka Upanishad which reads as folows:-" Its(Atma`s) intimate name is the Truth of all Truths; the cosmic energy (Prana) is verily truth; and This (the Atma) is the truth of truth. (Tasyopanishat Satyasya Satyamiti. Pranaa vai Satyam. Teshaam Esha Satyam). In the words of Swamy Vivekananda, "And here is the test of truth---anything that makes you weak physically,intellectually and spiritually, reject as poison; there is no life in it; it can not be true. Truth is strengthening. Truth is purity. Truth is all-knowledge. Truth must be strengthening,must be enlightening, must be invigorating." In this context, the Mundaka Upanishad says," The Atma can be realized by the constant practise of truth ( Satyena Labhyah tapasa hi Esha Atma). The very same Upanishad contains the famous declaration,"Truth alone triumphs, not untruth. ( SATYAMEVA JAYATE NA ANRUTAM"). Acharya Gaudapada in his Mandukya Karika says," Realising the Truth within the self and realizing the truth externally (in the not-self) and becoming one with the Truth and delighting in it ,one never deviates from the Truth (tatvaat aparachyuto Bhavet)". The word "Satyam" is also taken as an equivalent of " SAT", which means Reality as well as Existence. Existence is the most universal concept which leaves nothing else outside it. We become aware of even the non-existence of a thing as the existence of its non-existence. Existence is the substratum of all positive and negative entities. There is no existence apart from what exists. Bhagawan Sankaracharya considers Sat and Satyam as equivalent. Gyanam refers to absolute knowledge. Gyanam and Chit are considered as equivalent again by Acharya Adi Sankara. When pure knowledge is directed towards an object, the prescence of the object is known. Thus the same knowing principle enables us to gain knowledge as well as ignorance in this world. This knowing principle is us is called Gyanam. Atma(Brahman) is the very core of the knowing subject and as such it can never be made an object of knowledge and defined precisely. Existenceand awareness or Consciouness are never separate. They are obverse and reverse of the same coin. One is inconceiveable without the other. They constitute the essence of Reality. The abscence of consciouness cuts at the root of all value including existence. Consciousness and what is made conscious of can not be one and the same. (to be continued) G.Balasubramanian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Dear Sir, Thank you for understanding me and took pains to reply my query. Spiritualism and Science are interconnected. Instead of blindly accepting what has been written in epics we can always analyse for better spirituality.. My guruji is a scientific saint tells that pran is different from atma. We have all the ingredients of creating atma of our own. One has to keep the sensory organs under his control and one leads a life of moral sanctity he can create atma. We have heard the reincarnation of Lord Ram, Lord Krishna who have strong positive energy came to the earth for the welfare of Human kind. The person who cannot create atma, but has positive energy his echo of thougt remains for sometime. The ordinary persons energy is dissolved in to universe. I think this theory nobody likes but this gives the answer to the population increase does not create souls. DMMRAO--- On Wed, 22/7/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsubRe: SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON ATMA Cc: USBrahmins , brahmin_world, -Vedic-Dharma , mukti_margDate: Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 7:03 PM Dear Sir,Many thanks for having read my posting and also for having raised a query. I would like to restate that Atma does not move, as pronounced by Upanishads. Vedanta holds that Atma alone exists and nothing other than Atma exists. Since Atma is everywhere(Sarvagatah), I am unable to persuade myself to think that Atma enters another body. The Vedantic view is that only the subtle body (Sookshma Sarira) that takes a new body suitable to exhaust the accumulated vasanas or karmas.G.Balasubramanian dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 22, 2009 2:55:09 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON ATMA Dear Sir, If atma is motionless how it is entering into another body? D.M.M.RAO--- मंगल, 21/7/09 को, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > ने लिखा: दà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤°à¤¾: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >विषय: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON ATMAUSBrahmins@gro ups.comCc: om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, viprasamhitha@ googl. com, brahmin_world@ . co.in, mukti_marg@gro ups.co.inदिनांक: मंगलवार, 21 जà¥à¤²à¤¾à¤ˆ, 2009, 5:37 PM Hari Om The scriptures talk about Atma as unattached (Nissangha). The self is that which enables the body to perceive and act but itself remains unaffected by the body and its perceptions and actions. It is a silent witness of the body and its functioning. LIkewise, it is adetached witness of the mind and its emotions, the intellect and its thoughts. Atma is called Asakta ie., unattached in 13th chapter of the Gita. Hari Om Atma is motionless (Achalah). An object can move from a place where it exists to a place where it does not exist. The all-pervading Reality exists everywhere, at all times. There is no place where it is not for it to move into and occupy. Hence no movement is possible for Atma. It is motionless. Atma is talked about as immoving in second chapter of Gita( Sthanuh Achalah). ACHALAH signifies that which is not capable of motion and vibration both. Atma has been compared to Space in the scriptures. Both Atma and space are all-pervading. Space allows things to exist in it without itself being conditioned by them. So too, Atma is the medium in which perceptions ,emotions and thoughts take place but none of these contaminate or limit the Atma in any way. A subtle object can not be limited or conditioned by a grosser object. There is a saying,"Stone walls do not make a prison nor iron bars a cage". The gross walls of a prison can confine only our physical body but not our subtle emotions and thoughts. Atma in us is the subtlest of all. That being so, neither the world nor our matter vestures can limit or condition Atma. When we try to define space, we face difficulties. It implies vastness, immensity. We can not give space any kind of location. In fact, space is the very basis of the concept of location. Space is here as well as there; it is inside as well as outside. Space or AKASA is taken as the nearest symbol of the Infinite and the Absolute Atma precisely because of its unlimited , ever pure and indestructable character. (to be continued) G.Balasubramanian See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 Dear Balasubramanian ji, how do we explain the Inner voice, or Antaratma or Jeevatma which moves from body to body, how is it connected with the subtle body? Om Namah Shivaya, Divakar, --- On Wed, 7/22/09, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote: G Balasubramanian <gbsubRe: SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON ATMA Cc: USBrahmins , brahmin_world, -Vedic-Dharma , mukti_margDate: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 9:33 AM Dear Sir,Many thanks for having read my posting and also for having raised a query. I would like to restate that Atma does not move, as pronounced by Upanishads. Vedanta holds that Atma alone exists and nothing other than Atma exists. Since Atma is everywhere(Sarvagatah), I am unable to persuade myself to think that Atma enters another body. The Vedantic view is that only the subtle body (Sookshma Sarira) that takes a new body suitable to exhaust the accumulated vasanas or karmas.G.Balasubramanian dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 22, 2009 2:55:09 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON ATMA Dear Sir, If atma is motionless how it is entering into another body? D.M.M.RAO--- मंगल, 21/7/09 को, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > ने लिखा: दà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤°à¤¾: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >विषय: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON ATMAUSBrahmins@gro ups.comCc: om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, viprasamhitha@ googl. com, brahmin_world@ . co.in, mukti_marg@gro ups.co.inदिनांक: मंगलवार, 21 जà¥à¤²à¤¾à¤ˆ, 2009, 5:37 PM Hari Om The scriptures talk about Atma as unattached (Nissangha). The self is that which enables the body to perceive and act but itself remains unaffected by the body and its perceptions and actions. It is a silent witness of the body and its functioning. LIkewise, it is adetached witness of the mind and its emotions, the intellect and its thoughts. Atma is called Asakta ie., unattached in 13th chapter of the Gita. Hari Om Atma is motionless (Achalah). An object can move from a place where it exists to a place where it does not exist. The all-pervading Reality exists everywhere, at all times. There is no place where it is not for it to move into and occupy. Hence no movement is possible for Atma. It is motionless. Atma is talked about as immoving in second chapter of Gita( Sthanuh Achalah). ACHALAH signifies that which is not capable of motion and vibration both. Atma has been compared to Space in the scriptures. Both Atma and space are all-pervading. Space allows things to exist in it without itself being conditioned by them. So too, Atma is the medium in which perceptions ,emotions and thoughts take place but none of these contaminate or limit the Atma in any way. A subtle object can not be limited or conditioned by a grosser object. There is a saying,"Stone walls do not make a prison nor iron bars a cage". The gross walls of a prison can confine only our physical body but not our subtle emotions and thoughts. Atma in us is the subtlest of all. That being so, neither the world nor our matter vestures can limit or condition Atma. When we try to define space, we face difficulties. It implies vastness, immensity. We can not give space any kind of location. In fact, space is the very basis of the concept of location. Space is here as well as there; it is inside as well as outside. Space or AKASA is taken as the nearest symbol of the Infinite and the Absolute Atma precisely because of its unlimited , ever pure and indestructable character. (to be continued) G.Balasubramanian See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Dear Sir, Your doubt is genuine. Nobody has seen the atma entering into another body. Different people have written differetly as many as their interpretations. Whatever I tell about atma it will be contradictory to the Hindu scriptures because of the varied interpretations. As per my Guruji's teachings I tell you that atma is not formed in everybody. We are having only the essential elements in the form of mind which has to be developed to be soul. It is not possible to everybody. Besides meditation, Lot of mental discipline, moral sanctity, humanity and self realisations is required. Once you get self realization and will not be affected by happiness or sorrow and if you have strong desire to serve humanity your soul formation is possible. After acquiring universal energy through meditation most of the people donot divert this energy for humanity and the benefit of society. If you have strong positive desire your soul will be formed but reincarnation is possible in supreme conscious souls. In such a case there is no doubt about entering the soul into another body and certainly the soul is not entering into vasans filled body. This theory may refute most of the Hindu scriptures and teachings but there is always scope for thought on this account unless you get self-realization and achieve higher dimensions of divine power. Regards DMMRAO--- On Thu, 23/7/09, kailas dharshan rathna sundaram vaidyanatha Iyer <visundaram wrote: kailas dharshan rathna sundaram vaidyanatha Iyer <visundaramRE: SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON ATMA Date: Thursday, 23 July, 2009, 4:28 AM dear Sir,When the atma has not attachment whatsoever, and the body also gets vanished after death, the vasans which you are refferring how get attached to enter into another body.this is puzzling me for a long time. regards KAILAS DHARSHAN RATHNA V.I.SUNDARAM " OMKAILAS"8/1 NEW 17/1 RAMA RAO ROAD,THIRUMYLAI, CHENNAI 600 004PHONE NO. +91-44-24661345 MOBILE:9444926629 கைலாஸ௠தரà¯à®·à®©à¯ ரதà¯à®©à®¾ வைதà¯à®¯à®¨à®¾à®¤ அயà¯à®¯à®°à¯ சà¯à®¨à¯à®¤à®°à®®à¯ ஓமà¯à®•à¯ˆà®²à®¾à®¸à¯, 8/1 பà¯à®¤à®¿à®¯à®Žà®©à¯17/1 ராம ராவ௠ரோட௠மைலாபூர௠செனà¯à®©à¯ˆ 600004 om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comprasadaraom@ Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:15:13 -0700Re: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON ATMA Excellent explanation, Sir. My Pranams. MBPrasadaRao G Balasubramanian <gbsub >om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comCc: USBrahmins@gro ups.com; brahmin_world@ . co.in; -Vedic-Dharma; mukti_marg@gro ups.co.inWednesday, July 22, 2009 9:33:11 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON ATMA Dear Sir,Many thanks for having read my posting and also for having raised a query. I would like to restate that Atma does not move, as pronounced by Upanishads. Vedanta holds that Atma alone exists and nothing other than Atma exists. Since Atma is everywhere(Sarvagatah), I am unable to persuade myself to think that Atma enters another body. The Vedantic view is that only the subtle body (Sookshma Sarira) that takes a new body suitable to exhaust the accumulated vasanas or karmas.G.Balasubramanian dmm rao <dyfacons (AT) (DOT) co.in>om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.comWednesday, July 22, 2009 2:55:09 AMRe: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON ATMA Dear Sir, If atma is motionless how it is entering into another body? D.M.M.RAO--- मंगल, 21/7/09 को, G Balasubramanian <gbsub > ने लिखा: दà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤°à¤¾: G Balasubramanian <gbsub >विषय: [om_namah_shivaya_ group] SOME MORE THOUGHTS ON ATMAUSBrahmins@gro ups.comCc: om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, viprasamhitha@ googl. com, brahmin_world@ . co.in, mukti_marg@gro ups.co.inदिनांक: मंगलवार, 21 जà¥à¤²à¤¾à¤ˆ, 2009, 5:37 PM Hari Om The scriptures talk about Atma as unattached (Nissangha). The self is that which enables the body to perceive and act but itself remains unaffected by the body and its perceptions and actions. It is a silent witness of the body and its functioning. LIkewise, it is adetached witness of the mind and its emotions, the intellect and its thoughts. Atma is called Asakta ie., unattached in 13th chapter of the Gita. Hari Om Atma is motionless (Achalah). An object can move from a place where it exists to a place where it does not exist. The all-pervading Reality exists everywhere, at all times. There is no place where it is not for it to move into and occupy. Hence no movement is possible for Atma. It is motionless. Atma is talked about as immoving in second chapter of Gita( Sthanuh Achalah). ACHALAH signifies that which is not capable of motion and vibration both. Atma has been compared to Space in the scriptures. Both Atma and space are all-pervading. Space allows things to exist in it without itself being conditioned by them. So too, Atma is the medium in which perceptions ,emotions and thoughts take place but none of these contaminate or limit the Atma in any way. A subtle object can not be limited or conditioned by a grosser object. There is a saying,"Stone walls do not make a prison nor iron bars a cage". The gross walls of a prison can confine only our physical body but not our subtle emotions and thoughts. Atma in us is the subtlest of all. That being so, neither the world nor our matter vestures can limit or condition Atma. When we try to define space, we face difficulties. It implies vastness, immensity. We can not give space any kind of location. In fact, space is the very basis of the concept of location. Space is here as well as there; it is inside as well as outside. Space or AKASA is taken as the nearest symbol of the Infinite and the Absolute Atma precisely because of its unlimited , ever pure and indestructable character. (to be continued) G.Balasubramanian See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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