Guest guest Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 [Moderator's note : Found this interesting] austroasiatic , " kalyan97 " <kalyan97 wrote: I am struggling to find an answer to this problem related to Santali and many languages of India. lo = nine (Santali) noe = nine (Bengali); no_~ = nine (Lahnd.a, Punjabi) I am told that l-n interchanges are recorded in Pushto and Assamese. My problem is deeper. There is an early word for nine in Sanskrit (Vedic), also attested in Kikkuli's horse training manual (ca. 1700 BCE); the word is 'nava'. What could have been the early phonetic form of the word for nine? Was it lo or no? An answer to this is likely to be significant in unravelling the language used which may be read on some glyphs of inscribed objects to count a set of 9 leaves. The word loa means a ficus glomerata (the type of leaf depicted on inscribed objects). The word loh means metal (ore) in Santali. There is a hypothesis which I have suggested that the count of nine leaves is a phonetic determinant of the substantive word lo which meant 'metal ore'. The nature of the phonetic change is likely to determine if the language used by the person who created the inscribed object, say, for trade or for denoting personal property holdings or profession [say, a metal-worker or smith] was either Santali or some early Indo- European dialect used in the area generally called the Harappan Civilization or Sarasvati-Sindhu Valley Civilization (ca. 3300 to 1400 BCE). http://www.hindunet.org/saraswati/munda/mundanine.htm This URL provides background notes and the pictures of inscribed objects. I shall be thankful for the views of the members of the group. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 hi sir my name is rahul karan & i have created a blog on vedic literature please do log on to it=>http://www.vedicliterature.blogspot.com & http://www.vedicliteraturepart2.blogspot.comKishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: [Moderator's note : Found this interesting]austroasiatic , "kalyan97" wrote:I am struggling to find an answer to this problem related to Santali and many languages of India.lo = nine (Santali)noe = nine (Bengali); no_~ = nine (Lahnd.a, Punjabi)I am told that l-n interchanges are recorded in Pushto and Assamese.My problem is deeper. There is an early word for nine in Sanskrit (Vedic), also attested in Kikkuli's horse training manual (ca. 1700 BCE); the word is 'nava'. What could have been the early phonetic form of the word for nine? Was it lo or no?An answer to this is likely to be significant in unravelling the language used which may be read on some glyphs of inscribed objects to count a set of 9 leaves. The word loa means a ficus glomerata (the type of leaf depicted on inscribed objects).The word loh means metal (ore) in Santali.There is a hypothesis which I have suggested that the count of nine leaves is a phonetic determinant of the substantive word lo which meant 'metal ore'.The nature of the phonetic change is likely to determine if the language used by the person who created the inscribed object, say, for trade or for denoting personal property holdings or profession [say, a metal-worker or smith] was either Santali or some early Indo-European dialect used in the area generally called the Harappan Civilization or Sarasvati-Sindhu Valley Civilization (ca. 3300 to 1400 BCE).http://www.hindunet.org/saraswati/munda/mundanine.htmThis URL provides background notes and the pictures of inscribed objects.I shall be thankful for the views of the members of the group.--- End forwarded message ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Further to my post today on l-n transforms. nu_ne 'oil' in Telugu may be explained by Oriya naun.i 'butter'; Konkani no_n.i Perhaps, even en.n.ai in Tamil is cognate with such lexemes; the word is traditionally explained as derived from el.l.u 'sesame'. k , " Kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > > > [Moderator's note : Found this interesting] > > austroasiatic , " kalyan97 " <kalyan97@> > wrote: > > I am struggling to find an answer to this problem related to Santali > and many languages of India. > > lo = nine (Santali) > noe = nine (Bengali); no_~ = nine (Lahnd.a, Punjabi) > > I am told that l-n interchanges are recorded in Pushto and Assamese. > > My problem is deeper. There is an early word for nine in Sanskrit > (Vedic), also attested in Kikkuli's horse training manual (ca. 1700 > BCE); the word is 'nava'. What could have been the early phonetic > form of the word for nine? Was it lo or no? > > An answer to this is likely to be significant in unravelling the > language used which may be read on some glyphs of inscribed objects > to count a set of 9 leaves. > > The word loa means a ficus glomerata (the type of leaf depicted on > inscribed objects). > > The word loh means metal (ore) in Santali. > > There is a hypothesis which I have suggested that the count of nine > leaves is a phonetic determinant of the substantive word lo which > meant 'metal ore'. > > The nature of the phonetic change is likely to determine if the > language used by the person who created the inscribed object, say, > for trade or for denoting personal property holdings or profession > [say, a metal-worker or smith] was either Santali or some early Indo- > European dialect used in the area generally called the Harappan > Civilization or Sarasvati-Sindhu Valley Civilization (ca. 3300 to > 1400 BCE). > > http://www.hindunet.org/saraswati/munda/mundanine.htm > This URL provides background notes and the pictures of inscribed > objects. > > I shall be thankful for the views of the members of the group. > > --- End forwarded message --- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 [Moderator's note: Most of the Indian languages (and IE) have Nav as the word for nine. While the scholars may dismiss it is coincidental, the same word indicates the ship. The scholars would not want to see a relationship between these two is because , as per them, the IE people have not seen a sea till much later.] The Kashmiri word for nine is Nav. Ravindra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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