Phonetic change lo-no in some languages

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, " Kishore patnaik "

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> austroasiatic , " kalyan97 " <kalyan97@>

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> I am struggling to find an answer to this problem related to

Santali

> and many languages of India.

>

> lo = nine (Santali)

> noe = nine (Bengali); no_~ = nine (Lahnd.a, Punjabi)

>

> I am told that l-n interchanges are recorded in Pushto and Assamese.

>

> My problem is deeper. There is an early word for nine in Sanskrit

> (Vedic), also attested in Kikkuli's horse training manual (ca. 1700

> BCE); the word is 'nava'. What could have been the early phonetic

> form of the word for nine? Was it lo or no?

>

> An answer to this is likely to be significant in unravelling the

> language used which may be read on some glyphs of inscribed objects

> to count a set of 9 leaves.

>

> The word loa means a ficus glomerata (the type of leaf depicted on

> inscribed objects).

>

> The word loh means metal (ore) in Santali.

>

> There is a hypothesis which I have suggested that the count of nine

> leaves is a phonetic determinant of the substantive word lo which

> meant 'metal ore'.

>

> The nature of the phonetic change is likely to determine if the

> language used by the person who created the inscribed object, say,

> for trade or for denoting personal property holdings or profession

> [say, a metal-worker or smith] was either Santali or some early

Indo-> European dialect used in the area generally called the

Harappan > Civilization or Sarasvati-Sindhu Valley Civilization (ca.

3300 to > 1400 BCE).

>

> http://www.hindunet.org/saraswati/munda/mundanine.htm

> This URL provides background notes and the pictures of inscribed

> objects.

>

> I shall be thankful for the views of the members of the group.

>

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See lexemes of Lhanda, Hindi, Marathi, Konkani, Bengali, Oriya

recording n-l transforms:

 

návan & #299;ta— n. `fresh butter' & #346;Br., navan & #299;taka— n. `clarified

butter'

lex. [NÁVA—1, N & #298;TA—2] Pa. navan & #299;ta—, n & #333;n & #299;ta— n. `fresh

butter', Pk.

& #7751;ava & #7751; & #299;a- n., Gy. arm. nol, pers. nul, Ash.

nu & #771;ru & #772; & #769;, Wg. na & #776; & #771; & #345;; Kt.

nu & #772; & #771; & #341; & #299;, nu & #299; `butter', niwo, nyuwo `buttermilk'; Pr.

nónduk,

nu & #772; & #769;dux `butter', w & #305; & #772; & #769;e & #772; & #771;,

y & #305; & #772; & #771; `butter—milk'; Paš.lau & #7771;. n & #333;n & #299;, weg.

n & #363;n & #299; `butter', Shum. nu & #772; & #769;n & #299;, Gaw.

n & #257;un & #305; & #772; & #769;l, Sv. noun & #305; & #772; & #769;le, L.aw & #257; & #7751;.

l & #363; & #7751; & #299;, P. nau & #7751; & #299; f., ludh. naun & #299; f., Ku.

nau & #7751; & #299;, gng. n & #596; & #772; & #771; & #7771; & #771;i , N. nauni,

A. la & #770;ni, lawan & #363;, B. nani, la°, Or. na(h)u & #7751;i, la(h)u & #7751;i,

naha & #7751;i, Bi.

nainu, nenu, lainu, Aw.lakh. nain & #363;, H. non & #299;, lon & #299;, l & #363;n & #299;

f., nayn & #363; m.,

M. lo & #7751; & #299; n.f., Ko. n & #333; & #7751;i, l & #333; & #7751;i. Addenda:

návan & #299;ta—: Garh.

n & #596; & #7751;i `butter', A. also na & #770;n & #299; (CDIAL 7003)

 

lohu (N.); lo (A.B.); no (B.); luha_ (Or.); loh (Mth.H.G.M.); loho,

lo_ metal, ore, iron (Si.); ratu-lo_ copper (Md.)(CDIAL 11158).

lo_haka_ra iron-worker (Skt.); coppersmith, ironsmith (Pali);

lo_haka_ri_, lo_haka_raka, lauhaka_ra iron-worker (Skt.); lo_ha_ra

blacksmith (Pkt.); luha_ru (S.); loha_r, loha_ri_ (L.); luha_r

(WPah.); lwa_r (Ku.); loha_r (N.B.Bi.); id. (Bhoj.Aw.H.M.); lohal.a

(Or.); luha_r (H.); lava_r (G.); lo_varu coppersmith (Si.)(CDIAL

11159). lo_y white copper, bell-metal (K.); lo_hitaka reddish; n.

calx of brass, bell-metal (Skt.)(CDIAL 11166). cf. lo_hita red (AV.);

any red substance (S'Br.)(CDIAL 11165). lauha made of copper or iron

(Gr.S'r.); red (MBh.); iron, metal (Skt.); lo_ha made of iron (Pkt.);

loha_ iron-coloured, reddish (L.); reddish-brown (of cattle)(P.)

(CDIAL 11172a).

 

Or. lohu, nohu, la(h)u, na(h)u, laa; S. loh & #363; m. `blood', L. lah & #363; m.,

aw & #257; & #7751;. là & #363;; P. loh & #299; `red', loh & #363;, lah & #363; m. `blood';

WPah.jaun.

lo & #299; `blood' (CDIAL 11165).

 

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