Who has written Artha sastra ?

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Some years ago, I have started a thread as to who has

written the Artha Sastra.

 

While there are certain internal evidences as to the

authorship of canakya/kautilya/vsnuchitta,

there is no conclusive proof as to whether AS was written by a person

who is connected with CGM. This becomes more important if you notice the kind

of kingdom described by AS and that

Majumdar says chandra gupta maurya did not build a very huge kingdom as being believed

now. It is a small kingdom,probably survived due to the stratagem of canakya

and opportunistic love-hate relationship with neighbouring kingdoms.

 

This is when, the dating of CGM itself is inconclusive and

the identity of later famous kings as Asoka is also uncertain. (This may not be accepted by some,

the latest Dr Ranjit pal's book tries to address this problem- one of the

possibilities, personally unacceptable to me- is to identify Asoka with Darius

I)

 

Kautilya seemed to have come from South

India, perhaps from Andhra, a Brahmin with a front tuft, born in

either Kanchivaram of Tamil Nadu or

Kanchi of Andhra Pradesh. He is

also called Angula, Dramila (incidentally, Dramila indicates Dravidian) How

ever, some argue that he is a jain from Punjab.

 

 

The author's connection with the gotra of Kutila or with

later writers such as Mukaraksa mostly go unestablished.

 

However, AS is certainly famous and had been discussed variously in the later classical

texts including Pancatantra.

 

Puranas also discuss him, while it is Mudra rakshasa, the

famous classical drama by Visakadatta, but again, Canakya and Visakadatta are separated by

more than 1000 years in timeline.

 

The Jain traditions discuss how the royal sign of a teeth of

Canakya was broken so that he may not become a king in his later life. Brahatkatha

Kosh, cxliii, 5 discusses how he has married a girl called Yasomati and was

instrumental in the downfall of Nanda's kingdom. It ia again another curiosity

that Jainism was never mentioned in AS.

kishore patnaik

 

 

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Dear Kishore,In your article on authorship of Artha Sastra, please, what is the Kanchi of AP?As you can tell, one of my main interests is geography.Kathie B.

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In this regard, I came across a strange but rather interesting

argument that both Canakya (the author of AS) and Vatsayana (author of

Kama sutra) are one and the same. The Argument goes something like this:

 

The Canakya is said to be a person who had brought fame to two Gotras.

 

While there are no other Gotras are mentioned in AS, it is titled as

Koutaliya AS, ie it is in written in the name of the Gotra of

Kutala.Thus, there must be another book written by him in the name of

another Gotra. This could be Kamasutra for the following reasons:

 

The name 'Vatsayana' also refers to a Gothra, that of Sri vatsa.

 

Both the books are written for the usage of kings

 

Both the books are in the form of Sutras, the style of which are

similar. In fact, some of the sutras are identical.

 

Both Kautilya and Vatsyana bear the titles of Malla naga and Pakshila

swamy etc.

 

This in summary proves that both these books are written by the same

person.

 

I invite the comments

 

Kishore patnaik

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My own personal note:

 

While the Artha sastra is attributed to canakya (since the sentence

keeps repeating in the text : thus said canakya), it is possible that

Mukaraksa, a little known law giver but placed on high pedestal by

Puranas, has compiled AS. More about this later.

 

I invite comments.

 

Kishore patnaik

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Dear Kathie,

 

I seem to have lost the reference. However, it is in the coastal districts.

Again I remembered of this when I was reading on Samudragupta.

 

Please help me to obtain some information on this as it is important.

 

best regards,

 

Kishore patnaik

 

 

-- In , Katherine Brobeck <sivadasi wrote:

>

> Dear Kishore,

> In your article on authorship of Artha Sastra, please,

> what is the Kanchi of AP?

> As you can tell, one of my main interests is geography.

> Kathie B.

> >

> >

>

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Historical Kanchi is also present day Kanchi. It is Tamil Nadu.

 

Dr. db

 

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Kishore patnaik

Sunday, March 29, 2009 12:32 PM

Re: Who has written Artha sastra>?

 

 

Dear Kathie, I seem to have lost the reference. However, it is in the coastal districts. Again I remembered of this when I was reading on Samudragupta. Please help me to obtain some information on this as it is important. best regards, Kishore patnaik -- In , Katherine Brobeck <sivadasi wrote:>> Dear Kishore,> In your article on authorship of Artha Sastra, please,> what is the Kanchi of AP?> As you can tell, one of my main interests is geography.> Kathie B.> >> >>

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Dear Kishore,I've googled  'Andhra Kashi',  and found this:( KodaKanchi, Medak district,  Sangareddi taluk, near Patancheru ) but that doesn't sound right if you say it should be near the coast. The Medak one features the golden lizard also found at Kanchipuram, but only700 years' old. . . deities: AdiNarayana, Bhu & Neela Devis. Alwars. This next part was more interesting. . . villagers cleared the shrubs and found the remains of a splendid temple along with its idols.  This happened few decades ago, but nothing much was done to restore its glory. Frequent thefts had their toll. The main idols and ornaments are gone. Modernisation attempts by donors have robbed the temple of its original architecture. Black stone pillars, the Stupas and the rest houses gave way to one large concrete Mandapam in which weekly SatyaNarayana Vratams are held. The bigger picture The annual Jatara that takes place a fortnight before Sivaratri is the only time when the Kodakanchi village witnesses large crowds. The village has many structures which hints at the existence of a much bigger structure spread over hundreds of acres, centuries ago.blog: Prince Power of BZA Krishna Lanka 14/12/08KathieBut this is interesting:On Mar 29, 2009, at 3:02 AM, Kishore patnaik wrote:Dear Kathie,  I seem to have lost the reference. However, it is in the coastal districts. Again I remembered of this when I was reading on Samudragupta. 

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this is great information. The place must be less than 40 kms to my house. If

possible, I will take a look.

 

However, as you have rightly pointed out, this is not the Kanchi we are looking

for.

 

Kachi puram must be lying on the way from Kalinga to Kadapa. If there is no such

kanchi, then we will have to assume that there is no second Kanchi in Andhra

pradesh and accept the Tamilnadu Kanchi puram as the candidate.

 

regards,

 

Kishore patnaik

, Katherine Brobeck <sivadasi wrote:

>

> Dear Kishore,

> I've googled 'Andhra Kashi', and found this:

> ( KodaKanchi, Medak district, Sangareddi taluk, near Patancheru )

> but that doesn't sound right if you say it should be near the coast.

>

> The Medak one features the golden lizard also found at Kanchipuram,

> but only

> 700 years' old. . . deities: AdiNarayana, Bhu & Neela Devis. Alwars.

> This next part was more interesting. . . villagers cleared the

> shrubs and found

> the remains of a splendid temple along with its idols. This happened

> few decades ago,

> but nothing much was done to restore its glory. Frequent thefts had

> their toll.

> The main idols and ornaments are gone. Modernisation attempts by

> donors have robbed the temple

> of its original architecture. Black stone pillars, the Stupas and

> the rest houses gave way to one large

> concrete Mandapam in which weekly SatyaNarayana Vratams are held.

> The bigger picture The annual Jatara that takes place a fortnight

> before Sivaratri is the only time when the

> Kodakanchi village witnesses large crowds. The village has many

> structures which hints at the existence

> of a much bigger structure spread over hundreds of acres, centuries ago.

>

> blog: Prince Power of BZA Krishna Lanka 14/12/08

> Kathie

>

> But this is interesting:

> On Mar 29, 2009, at 3:02 AM, Kishore patnaik wrote:

> Dear Kathie,

> > I seem to have lost the reference. However, it is in the coastal

> > districts. Again I remembered of this when I was reading on

> > Samudragupta.

> >

>

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Dear Kishore,

I am busy these days since my Sister is getting married on 20th April 2009.I have not check,ed mails for the past 1month and got innumerable mails from various gbroups.I ve come across the mail of yours by an accident today.I find this topic to be interesting regarding Kanchipuram.Iwill send mail you and the group the invitation later.I will be very happy if you and other members of the group attend the marriage.By the by, can you mail me the exact topic of discussion on Kanchipuram?So that I can make some contribution.For there is a Proverb in Sanskrit,

naareesuramba nakareshukanchi purusheshuvishnuh pushpeshujaati

Meaning:

Among the women Ramba is the most beautiful, Among the cities Kanchi is the holiest city

Among the persons Lord Vishnu is the greatest and among the Flowers Jasmine is the supreme.

In this sloka, the mentioned city Kanchi is certainly Kanchipuram in Tamilnadu.Kan chipuram was the capital of the Pallava Empire who built many temples .Kanchipuram is called City of temples in South In dia whic h is next to Bhuvaneswaram my native place which is now officially called Bhubaneswar.There is the famous Lord Devaraajaswami Temple in Thirukachchi in Kanchipuram and there is a Silver Lizard in that temple.All the devotees who come to that temple worship that Lizard by touching it and go in a queue.Worshippin g that lizard is believed to liberate the people from all the bad effects caused by the Lizards.People throng to that temple.This is just a piece of information about the Lizard in Kanchipuram.

B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN.

website: www.vedascience.com

 

 

 

Kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:33:31 AM Re: Who has written Artha sastra>?

 

this is great information. The place must be less than 40 kms to my house. If possible, I will take a look. However, as you have rightly pointed out, this is not the Kanchi we are looking for. Kachi puram must be lying on the way from Kalinga to Kadapa. If there is no such kanchi, then we will have to assume that there is no second Kanchi in Andhra pradesh and accept the Tamilnadu Kanchi puram as the candidate. regards, Kishore patnaik , Katherine Brobeck <sivadasi@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Kishore,> I've googled 'Andhra Kashi', and found this:> ( KodaKanchi, Medak district, Sangareddi taluk, near Patancheru )> but that doesn't sound right if you say it should be near the coast.> > The Medak one

features the golden lizard also found at Kanchipuram, > but only> 700 years' old. . . deities: AdiNarayana, Bhu & Neela Devis. Alwars.> This next part was more interesting. . . villagers cleared the > shrubs and found> the remains of a splendid temple along with its idols. This happened > few decades ago,> but nothing much was done to restore its glory. Frequent thefts had > their toll.> The main idols and ornaments are gone. Modernisation attempts by > donors have robbed the temple> of its original architecture. Black stone pillars, the Stupas and > the rest houses gave way to one large> concrete Mandapam in which weekly SatyaNarayana Vratams are held.> The bigger picture The annual Jatara that takes place a fortnight > before Sivaratri is the only time when the> Kodakanchi village witnesses large crowds. The village has many >

structures which hints at the existence> of a much bigger structure spread over hundreds of acres, centuries ago.> > blog: Prince Power of BZA Krishna Lanka 14/12/08> Kathie> > But this is interesting:> On Mar 29, 2009, at 3:02 AM, Kishore patnaik wrote:> Dear Kathie,> > I seem to have lost the reference. However, it is in the coastal > > districts. Again I remembered of this when I was reading on > > Samudragupta.> >>

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Wish You All The Best For The Ceremonies!

On 4/2/09, venkata krishnan <bcvk71 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Kishore,

                     I am busy these days since my Sister is getting married on 20th April 2009.I have not check,ed mails for the past 1month and got  innumerable mails from various gbroups.I ve come across the mail of yours by an accident today.I find this topic to be interesting regarding Kanchipuram.Iwill send mail you and the group the invitation later.I will be very happy if you and other members of the group attend the marriage.By the by, can you mail me the exact topic of discussion on Kanchipuram?So that I can make some contribution.For there is a Proverb in Sanskrit,

naareesuramba nakareshukanchi purusheshuvishnuh pushpeshujaati

Meaning:

 Among the women Ramba is the most beautiful, Among the cities Kanchi is the holiest city

Among the persons Lord Vishnu is the greatest and among the Flowers     Jasmine is the supreme.

In this sloka, the mentioned city Kanchi is certainly Kanchipuram in Tamilnadu.Kan chipuram was the capital of the Pallava Empire who built many temples .Kanchipuram is called City of temples in South In dia whic h is next to Bhuvaneswaram my native place which is now officially called Bhubaneswar.There is the famous Lord Devaraajaswami Temple in Thirukachchi in Kanchipuram and there is a Silver Lizard in that temple.All the devotees who come to that temple worship that Lizard by touching it and go in a queue.Worshippin g that lizard is believed to liberate the people from all the bad effects caused by the Lizards.People throng to that temple.This is just a piece of information about the Lizard in Kanchipuram.

B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN.

website: www.vedascience.com

 

 

 

Kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09

Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:33:31 AM

Re: Who has written Artha sastra>?

 

this is great information. The place must be less than 40 kms to my house. If possible, I will take a look. However, as you have rightly pointed out, this is not the Kanchi we are looking for. Kachi puram must be lying on the way from Kalinga to Kadapa. If there is no such kanchi, then we will have to assume that there is no second Kanchi in Andhra pradesh and accept the Tamilnadu Kanchi puram as the candidate.

regards, Kishore patnaik , Katherine Brobeck <sivadasi@.. .> wrote:

>> Dear Kishore,> I've googled 'Andhra Kashi', and found this:> ( KodaKanchi, Medak district, Sangareddi taluk, near Patancheru )> but that doesn't sound right if you say it should be near the coast.

> > The Medak one features the golden lizard also found at Kanchipuram, > but only> 700 years' old. . . deities: AdiNarayana, Bhu & Neela Devis. Alwars.> This next part was more interesting. . . villagers cleared the

> shrubs and found> the remains of a splendid temple along with its idols. This happened > few decades ago,> but nothing much was done to restore its glory. Frequent thefts had > their toll.

> The main idols and ornaments are gone. Modernisation attempts by > donors have robbed the temple> of its original architecture. Black stone pillars, the Stupas and > the rest houses gave way to one large

> concrete Mandapam in which weekly SatyaNarayana Vratams are held.> The bigger picture The annual Jatara that takes place a fortnight > before Sivaratri is the only time when the> Kodakanchi village witnesses large crowds. The village has many

> structures which hints at the existence> of a much bigger structure spread over hundreds of acres, centuries ago.> > blog: Prince Power of BZA Krishna Lanka 14/12/08> Kathie> > But this is interesting:

> On Mar 29, 2009, at 3:02 AM, Kishore patnaik wrote:> Dear Kathie,> > I seem to have lost the reference. However, it is in the coastal > > districts. Again I remembered of this when I was reading on

> > Samudragupta.> >>

 

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