Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Sri Venkata Krishnan, " Vedas and allied literature are not mere Poetry and Philosophy but they deall in all subjects including Science. " That we may find references belonging to a subject is different from saying that the text deals with a subject. As I said yes, we do find things that correspond to various subjects in the Veda. But Veda itself, is not a text on those subjects. It is clear from the arrangement of the text and its content. And Veda itself does not say that it is a text on those subjects but deals with the impersonal knowledge. So there can be no ambiguity there. Copper is mentioned in the Samhita, yes. But there is nothing like its extraction or utility that finds a mention. Because metallurgy is not the subject that Veda is concerned about. We find the mention of a metal when it has a relevance in the context, that is all. Same with mathematics - we find geometry in Sulba in a purely utilitarian sense. This does not mean what we find in Sulba was the only mathematics known in Vedic times. All this means is whatever geometry was needed for the purpose of Srauta finds a mention in Sulba. That is all. In fact same with any branch. I think you missed my point that something not being present in the Veda Samhita does not mean it was not there in Vedic times. Your hypothesis that Veda is a measure of civilization, implies that whatever finds a mention in the Veda was the only thing present. This is exactly how researchers proceeded, and that is precisely the pitfall in that approach. Veda does not mean just knowledge - it means eternal knowledge. And in order to explain it, whatever worldly construct can be used, will be used. Atheism is a different subject altogether. Astikya is not theism. Astikya has two criteria: accepting Veda pramana and accepting Dharma as the guiding principle of life. Coming to experience, again, you are coming back to the point that it is impersonal knowledge - which was what I too said , venkata krishnan <bcvk71 wrote: > > Dear Mr.ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli, > Vedas and allied literature are not mere Poetry and Philosophy but they deall in all subjects including Science.And hence the scientific words mentioned in them require a open sc ientific mind and a wide knowledge to underderstand them and interpret them. From your own words, Copper is mentioned in Yajurveda Samhita which is to be transilated and interpreted properly an d not injust pooetic and philosophical and spritual terms.We should interpreted in Scientific terms and historic terms.For example Burnt bricks were not found in any ancient civilizatijon in the world untill Indus valley civilization was excavated.And all historians and archaeologists held the view that burnt bricks and drinage system are modern advanc ement of todays world.But afterthe excavation of Mohenjodero and Harappa cities all were sztunned .Since IVC had a > not only buildings built with burnt bricks and well laid drainagvesystem but also many so called advanced systems of current modxern world.Untill the excavation of IVC sites thbe historianns and archaeologiswts interpreted the ancient Vedas and allied literature as just a poetric and phbilosophic and spritual myth which were all shattered buy the successive excavations of IVC and Saraswathi river cultural sites you can also ask Mr S.Kalyanraman who is also a member ogf this group who has done reszearch in Saraswathi river culture and civilization and clarrify your doubts.So I dont agree with your standthat the the mentioning of Mettals ans metalic structurs in Vedas and allied literature are mere poetic, phbilosophic and spritual references and are mere metaphors and Veda is not a text that can be used as a metre of Civilizational progress.There is nothing which is not described in Vedas.It contains every thing.Vedas are not Religious books though > many religions evolved based on Vedas.One can even be an Athiest and there is nothin g wrong in being an Athgiest.The word Veda means First hand selfacquired KNOWLEDGE and not 2nd or Nth hand Knowledge.The ancient Rshis performed severe Tapas aqnd selfexperienced and self realised the Vedas and have han ded down to us till date.The Vedas should not be written or read its against Vedas. The Vedas must be chanted and heard and learnt.One should KNOW Oneself the Vedas through severe Tapas.Only those who are destined to KNOW the VEDAS will self experience it.I say this with my personal experience.One should not blindly believe anything.I hpe you understand what I say. > Cordially, > B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN . > website: www.vedascience.com > > > > > ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj > Re: Re: Historical Documentation-Biblical Hebrews > > Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 10:32 AM > > Copper etc are found in Yajurveda samhita. " seesam ca me trapuH ca me syamam ca me loHam ca me " of camakam and " taamrayaca " of namakam (Krishna Yajus 4.5). > > > But the point missed is, Veda is not a text that can be used as a meter of civilizational progress. It uses these words as metaphors rather than anything else. Their presence in the Veda only shows that it is popularly known, and their absence does not show anything. After all, if one should know which metals are known, one should trace back to texts on metallurgy of Vedic times. Courtesy destruction for centuries, people are not even able to trace out texts of past few centuries completely. And we have a problem saying we are not aware of what existed, rather we say Vedic people did not know. > > Yes, archaeology can throw light - but even that does involved so many politics! > > > > > venkata krishnan <bcvk71 > > ; kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09@ gmail.com>; oddisilab1 (AT) dataone (DOT) in > Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:38:45 PM > RE: Re: Historical Documentation- Biblical Hebrews > > Dear Mr.Isha Shiva, > I disagree with you.You have stated that nobody knows of Forts made of Metal (copper or iron).Even in todays world Buildongs are made of concrete which contains steel and iron which is an obviuous practical fact.I dont know how it did not strike to you.The Vedic civilization was far advanced than current modern terrestial science.The Vedic civilization was also much rich and prosporous in the past than the modern world which we ln today.So, it is certain that the in the ancient Vedic civilization forts were mde of copper and iron even gold and silver which is very much probable. > Cordially, > B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN . > website: www.vedascience. com > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/18/08, isha shiva <adhin88 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > isha shiva <adhin88 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> > RE: Re: Historical Documentation- Biblical Hebrews > > Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 6:39 PM > > > > > > The expression " milk and honey " is a little different in the Rgveda: > > > RV Mandala VII.95.1-2 Sarasvatii Suukta > > prá kSHódasaa dhaáyasaa sasra eSHaá sárasvatii dharúNam aáyasii puúH | > prabaábadhaanaa rathyèva yaati víshvaa apó mahinaá síndhur anyaáH ||1|| > > THIS stream Sarasvati with fostering current comes forth, our sure defence, our Ayasi fort. > As on a car, the flood flows on, surpassing in majesty and might all other waters. > > > > ékaacetat sárasvatii nadiínaaM shúcir yatií giríbhya aá samudraát | > raayásh cétantii bhúvanasya bhuúrer ghRtám páyo duduhe naáhuSHaaya ||2|| > > Pure in her course from mountains to the ocean, alone of streams Sarasvati hath listened. > Thinking of wealth and the great world of creatures, she poured for Naahusha her milk and ghee. > > This picture of the Rgveda has a Sarasvati river streaming directly from Himalayas to the sea, before > the earthquake caused a shift of its course, leading to a westward movement, causing the Sarasvati > to join the Indus. > Naahusha here is not Nahusha himself but his descendant. Naahusha is in the time before the eartquake. > The ancestor Nahusha belongs to remoter times. > > The adjective Aayasa, here in the feminine aayaasii (pur = f. fort), literally means " made of metal/metallic " . But that doesn't make sense. Nobody knows of forts made of metal (copper or iron). It points to a figurative sense of impregnable (fort) or rather to the silvery/metallic colour of its stream. > > kind reagrds, > ishwa > > > This picture > > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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