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Sri Venkata Krishnan,

 

" Vedas and allied literature are not mere Poetry and Philosophy but

they deall in all subjects including Science. "

 

That we may find references belonging to a subject is different from

saying that the text deals with a subject.

 

As I said yes, we do find things that correspond to various subjects

in the Veda. But Veda itself, is not a text on those subjects. It is

clear from the arrangement of the text and its content.

 

And Veda itself does not say that it is a text on those subjects but

deals with the impersonal knowledge. So there can be no ambiguity there.

 

Copper is mentioned in the Samhita, yes. But there is nothing like its

extraction or utility that finds a mention. Because metallurgy is not

the subject that Veda is concerned about. We find the mention of a

metal when it has a relevance in the context, that is all.

 

Same with mathematics - we find geometry in Sulba in a purely

utilitarian sense. This does not mean what we find in Sulba was the

only mathematics known in Vedic times. All this means is whatever

geometry was needed for the purpose of Srauta finds a mention in

Sulba. That is all. In fact same with any branch.

 

I think you missed my point that something not being present in the

Veda Samhita does not mean it was not there in Vedic times. Your

hypothesis that Veda is a measure of civilization, implies that

whatever finds a mention in the Veda was the only thing present. This

is exactly how researchers proceeded, and that is precisely the

pitfall in that approach.

 

Veda does not mean just knowledge - it means eternal knowledge. And in

order to explain it, whatever worldly construct can be used, will be

used.

 

Atheism is a different subject altogether. Astikya is not theism.

Astikya has two criteria: accepting Veda pramana and accepting Dharma

as the guiding principle of life.

 

Coming to experience, again, you are coming back to the point that it

is impersonal knowledge - which was what I too said :)

 

 

, venkata krishnan <bcvk71 wrote:

>

> Dear Mr.ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli,

> Vedas

and allied literature are not mere Poetry and Philosophy but they

deall in all subjects including Science.And hence the scientific words

mentioned in them require a open sc ientific mind and a wide knowledge

to underderstand them and interpret them. From your own words, Copper

is mentioned in Yajurveda Samhita which is to be transilated and

interpreted properly an d not injust pooetic and philosophical and

spritual terms.We should interpreted in Scientific terms and historic

terms.For example Burnt bricks were not found in any ancient

civilizatijon in the world untill Indus valley civilization was

excavated.And all historians and archaeologists held the view that

burnt bricks and drinage system are modern advanc ement of todays

world.But afterthe excavation of Mohenjodero and Harappa cities all

were sztunned .Since IVC had a

> not only buildings built with burnt bricks and well laid

drainagvesystem but also many so called advanced systems of current

modxern world.Untill the excavation of IVC sites thbe historianns and

archaeologiswts interpreted the ancient Vedas and allied literature as

just a poetric and phbilosophic and spritual myth which were all

shattered buy the successive excavations of IVC and Saraswathi river

cultural sites you can also ask Mr S.Kalyanraman who is also a member

ogf this group who has done reszearch in Saraswathi river culture and

civilization and clarrify your doubts.So I dont agree with your

standthat the the mentioning of Mettals ans metalic structurs in Vedas

and allied literature are mere poetic, phbilosophic and spritual

references and are mere metaphors and Veda is not a text that can be

used as a metre of Civilizational progress.There is nothing which is

not described in Vedas.It contains every thing.Vedas are not Religious

books though

> many religions evolved based on Vedas.One can even be an Athiest

and there is nothin g wrong in being an Athgiest.The word Veda means

First hand selfacquired KNOWLEDGE and not 2nd or Nth hand

Knowledge.The ancient Rshis performed severe Tapas aqnd

selfexperienced and self realised the Vedas and have han ded down to

us till date.The Vedas should not be written or read its against

Vedas. The Vedas must be chanted and heard and learnt.One should KNOW

Oneself the Vedas through severe Tapas.Only those who are destined to

KNOW the VEDAS will self experience it.I say this with my personal

experience.One should not blindly believe anything.I hpe you

understand what I say.

> Cordially,

> B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN .

> website: www.vedascience.com

>

>

>

>

> ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj

> Re: Re: Historical Documentation-Biblical

Hebrews

>

> Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 10:32 AM

>

>

Copper etc are found in Yajurveda samhita. " seesam ca me trapuH ca

me syamam ca me loHam ca me " of camakam and " taamrayaca " of namakam

(Krishna Yajus 4.5).

>

>

> But the point missed is, Veda is not a text that can be used as a

meter of civilizational progress. It uses these words as metaphors

rather than anything else. Their presence in the Veda only shows that

it is popularly known, and their absence does not show anything. After

all, if one should know which metals are known, one should trace back

to texts on metallurgy of Vedic times. Courtesy destruction for

centuries, people are not even able to trace out texts of past few

centuries completely. And we have a problem saying we are not aware of

what existed, rather we say Vedic people did not know.

>

> Yes, archaeology can throw light - but even that does involved so

many politics!

>

>

>

>

> venkata krishnan <bcvk71 >

> ; kishore patnaik

<kishorepatnaik09@ gmail.com>; oddisilab1 (AT) dataone (DOT) in

> Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:38:45 PM

> RE: Re: Historical Documentation- Biblical

Hebrews

>

>

Dear Mr.Isha Shiva,

> I disagree with you.You have stated

that nobody knows of Forts made of Metal (copper or iron).Even in

todays world Buildongs are made of concrete which contains steel and

iron which is an obviuous practical fact.I dont know how it did not

strike to you.The Vedic civilization was far advanced than current

modern terrestial science.The Vedic civilization was also much rich

and prosporous in the past than the modern world which we ln today.So,

it is certain that the in the ancient Vedic civilization forts were

mde of copper and iron even gold and silver which is very much probable.

> Cordially,

> B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN .

> website: www.vedascience. com

>

>

>

>

> --- On Tue, 11/18/08, isha shiva <adhin88 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> isha shiva <adhin88 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>

> RE: Re: Historical Documentation- Biblical

Hebrews

>

> Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 6:39 PM

>

>

>

>

>

> The expression " milk and honey " is a little different in the Rgveda:

>

>

> RV Mandala VII.95.1-2 Sarasvatii Suukta

>

> prá kSHódasaa dhaáyasaa sasra eSHaá sárasvatii dharúNam aáyasii puúH |

> prabaábadhaanaa rathyèva yaati víshvaa apó mahinaá síndhur anyaáH ||1||

>

> THIS stream Sarasvati with fostering current comes forth, our sure

defence, our Ayasi fort.

> As on a car, the flood flows on, surpassing in majesty and might all

other waters.

>

>

>

> ékaacetat sárasvatii nadiínaaM shúcir yatií giríbhya aá samudraát |

> raayásh cétantii bhúvanasya bhuúrer ghRtám páyo duduhe naáhuSHaaya ||2||

>

> Pure in her course from mountains to the ocean, alone of streams

Sarasvati hath listened.

> Thinking of wealth and the great world of creatures, she poured for

Naahusha her milk and ghee.

>

> This picture of the Rgveda has a Sarasvati river streaming directly

from Himalayas to the sea, before

> the earthquake caused a shift of its course, leading to a westward

movement, causing the Sarasvati

> to join the Indus.

> Naahusha here is not Nahusha himself but his descendant. Naahusha is

in the time before the eartquake.

> The ancestor Nahusha belongs to remoter times.

>

> The adjective Aayasa, here in the feminine aayaasii (pur = f. fort),

literally means " made of metal/metallic " . But that doesn't make

sense. Nobody knows of forts made of metal (copper or iron). It points

to a figurative sense of impregnable (fort) or rather to the

silvery/metallic colour of its stream.

>

> kind reagrds,

> ishwa

>

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