Guest guest Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Dear friends,Shri Kaulji's quoting about what Bhishma said about astrologers itself proves that astrology was known to the Indians at the time of the Mahabharata war, ie about 5000 years ago. Does it not prove that this was much before astrology was known to the Babylonians and the Greeks anout 2000 years ago?Secondly Mayasura helped the Pandavas to make their Capital. That should indicate Mayasura's date also.Regards,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Sat, 3/28/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved wrote:Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved[VRI] Fwd: Fw: Re: Suryasiddhantavedic_research_institute Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 8:53 AM WAVES-Vedic, "Avtar Krishen Kaul" <jyotirved@. ..> wrote: Dear Moderator, Namaskar! I have a request. Since the posts to this forum are moderated, whenever some sweeping statements about a date of an event or work or its composition are made by any poster, he must be asked to give all the references and proofs first and then only such posts must be accepted. For example, there is a statement by Shri Sunil Bhattacharjya, "Original work of Mayasura (of Pragjyotishpura, ie. the earliest place where astrology was developed and practised)) had one hundred thousand verses. In Mahabharata you must have found that Narakasura's son Bhagadatta led a group of Yavanas. This shows that the Asuras of Pragjyotishpura were also known as Yavana and Mayasura was none other than the Yavanacharya. Mayasura learnt astrology from Surya." All this is just a conjecture nay even, wishful thinking and may even be a deliberate attempt to eulogize predictive gimmicks that have been declared reprehensible ("nakshatra- socchis are brahmana-chandalas" Bhishma!) by our shastras, and the words like "you must have found" is like putting someone else's words into someone else's mouth! Similarly, the statement "Original work of Mayasura of Pragjyotishpura, i.e. the earliest place where astrology was developed and practised" is yet another fantastic statement contrary to all the available evidence, since it was in Babylonia that predictive gimmicks were first practised. Kindly, therefore, ask the poster to substantiate his arguments with proofs and quotes with full references. That applies not only to this post of Shri Bhattacharjya but to all the other posts as well, since it will just be like going on a fishing expedition otherwise. With regards, A K Kaul WAVES-Vedic, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a@> wrote: > > > > --- On Thu, 3/26/09, sunil_bhattacharjya @ <sunil_bhattacharjy a@> wrote: > > > sunil_bhattacharjya @ <sunil_bhattacharjy a@> > Re: Suryasiddhanta > > Cc: ancient_indian_ astrology, vedic_research_ institute, ancintindia, IndiaArchaeology > Thursday, March 26, 2009, 7:09 PM > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > As someone interested in the history of Hindu Astronomy may I add a bit on the history of Suryasiddhanta. Original work of Mayasura (of Pragjyotishpura, ie. the earliest place where astrology was developed and practised)) had one hundred thousand verses. In Mahabharata you must have found that Narakasura's son Bhagadatta led a group of Yavanas. This shows that the Asuras of Pragjyotishpura were also known as Yavana and Mayasura was none other than the Yavanacharya. Mayasura learnt astrology from Surya. This Surya could be the name of a rishi or Mayasura might have made direct observation on the Sun and the solar system like the modern-day naked-eye astronomer of Orissa, Samanta Chandrasekhar had done. Aryabhatta made a concise version of Mayasura's work and this concise treatise was known as the Aryasiddhanta. It is generally said that the Aryasiddhanta is lost. But it need not be so. This Aryasiddhanta of Aryabhatta has been called the > Suryasiddhanta by Varahamihira and that is also called the Yavana jataka of Yavanacharya by Sphuridhvaja > > Aryabhatta said that he was 23 years of age in "Sashtyaabdaanaam Sashtyaardha (ie. sixty multiplied by half of sixty) from the start of Kali yuga". This means he was born in 3102 - (60 X 60 / 2) + 23 = 1325 BCE. Aryabhatta did not mention any other kala as the other kalas such as mentioned by Varahamihira and Brahmagupta were not there during his time. So he had to express in terms of the Kali era. In his time the 60- year Brihaspati- chakra was used in place of centuries. On the otherhand at a much later date Varahamihira mentioned Sakendrakala starting from 551 BCE and Brahmagupta mentioned Sakanta kala starting from 78 BCE. > > I will like to hear your opinion as well as that of the other learned scholars regarding the above. > > Regards, > > Sunil K. Bhattacjarjya > > ps. > From the above one can also see that Varahamihira was born much before the advent of the Sakanta kala (popularly called Saka kala or Shalivahana Saka, which king Shalivahana popularised some centuries later). Further we know that during Varahamihira' s time the Winter solstice began to occur in Uttarashadha, which was around 500 BCE and that Winter solstice stopped occurring in Uttaraashadha around 500 CE. Thus Varahamihira was born near 500 BCE and not near 500 CE, as the western scholars make out to be. > > > I understand that Vinay Jhaji has written a book on Suryasiddhanta and he also claims to have some of the lost portions of the Suryasiddhanta but I have not seen his book > so far to offer any comment on Jhaji's work and cannot comment on his claims. It seems that an American professor Charles hartley calculated and found that the time of Solar eclipses can be calculated accurately by using the methods of Suryasiddhanta. > > --- On Thu, 3/26/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > Is This possible ? Yes with our Ancient knowledge, it is. > > Thursday, March 26, 2009, 6:00 AM > > Dear friends, Do You know that with our Andcient indian Knowledge of > "Surya Siddhanta " we can calculate the position of the planets on any > given date,of any year in the past or future (Any date after Chaitra > Shukla Pratipada Shake 1826), without use of telescope, or moving out > of a closed room, and without the use of ephemeris, or any external (Or > Internal) means of locating or mapping the planetary positions in the > sky. The planetary position for any planet can be calculated within 15 > minutes without referring to any Ephemeris, Data, Computer or Book with > closed eyes and a assistant who can use a calculator and note down on a > piece of paper what is being mentioned . This position thus calculated > should be similiar to the Rapheals ephemeris or any more accurate one > within just 1-2 minutes difference (Not degrees). is this possible ? Yes > this is. With our ancient knowledge applied, with help of few shlokas > and formulas, one can blind folded with help of a assistant (Anyone who > knows how to use a scientific calculator) calculate the planetary > positions of any date after Shake 1826. Those who are interested in > same, may take an appointment with me in Bombay, in advance, and they > will be shown a method how to do this, alongwith illustrations and > formulas of the same. But they should be well versed in the Indian > knowledge of Hindu Lunar months, adhika maas etc. regards/Bhaskar. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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