Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Well, thank you everyone for your quick responses to my concerns. I appreciate all of you taking the time share your thoughts with me, however, I still do feel a bit uneasy about some things. I have been to many countries, fought in wars, taught philosophy courses, and worked as a psychologist for 16+ years. In studying the human mind/behavior, I have found that it is extremely easy for people to create an almost fantasy type world within their minds, especially surrounding spirituality. If we use the excuse that work is being done to us all the time, we are essentially stating that negative behavior is fine and that one should not be held responsible in the name of spiritual work. A bit unsettling from a guru that most folks appear to have a mainly psychologically based relationship with. It is so indicative of cult behavior to respond with such responses. Actually, your responses sort of helped me confirm my experience for what I thought it was. I was so happy, in my old age, to find this spiritual teacher whose message about love, peace, and compassion, was coming to a town near me, only to find a large crowd of unhappy competitors working and shopping like most of us do in our daily lives! Despite the responses given, I find it very helpful to investigate other views on the great Ammachi. Groups such as the free speech zone and sites like cultofthehuggingsaint.com have been very helpful for me to gain insight into the Amma world. I would advise that everyone devoted or not do some research on what you have involved yourselves in or may be thinking of becoming part of. As stated, I have seen the worst of mind control during the wars and seen the best of psychological progress in truly compassionate settings. This setting, after just one visit, is a huge red flag to me. I did notice that people were so mean to each other, however, no one mistreats the swami's or Amma herself? Why, even if work is being done, can't people just be nice to each other? Is it because they're competing for the attention of a guru who actually does make claims of being God, and facilitates the deification of herself through careful manipulation? I guess through some more intense investigation, I will surely find out! Thanks again, pleasant day to all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Dear Woody, I am not sure I have any clear way to respond to this post but I will simply state, I have seen negativity on other sites and that is simply the perception of those who feel negative. It does not make it any more true than what I have personally witnessed. Of course, you are entitled to your own opinion all the same. I have had experiences that my mind could not ever possibly explain. IF you are a psychologist, then you should have some awareness from Carl Jung and others that defy medical science as well. It does not matter to me what anyone else says or writes. I realize some do not understand Amma. Her works speak for themselves. She is probably the greatest humanitarian ever-no matter what else you think. If it's a cult, She is incredibly powerful! LOL..people erecting hospitals to help the sick and poor, building homes for Tsunami victims and helping villages. What kind of " cult " could be so incredibly heinous?! I don't think anyone said being rude was excusable or anything quite like that. It's simply that we cannot change people. It does not mean to allow thieves to live in your home and to allow abuse. It simply means when others are rude, to blow it off. Life is bigger than that. There are many of us with the same accredidations that you also have that follow Amma-we have also experienced the world of " life " and scholarly degrees...I know a psychologist who also follows Amma as well as doctors, lawyers, teachers, nuns, priests and many many more from every background imaginable. I thought I'd share this story: My mother is an agnostic but wanted to see Amma to discover what I saw in Her. She became curious. On the drive to see Amma, she told me how she could not see how God could exist when science seems to know so much. I did not comment much as I figured that my mother could have her beliefs. When my mother first saw Amma, she burst into tears. Every time Amma walked into the room, my mother burst into tears again. Amma gave my mother an apple after my mother thanked her for being in my life. My mother brought the apple home and called me on the phone the next day. She said that the apple smelled like Amma! So I asked her what she did and she washed it thinking her senses were tricking her. She said it still smelled of Amma and continued to smell of her all the way to the core! It's hard to explain experiences like this-even when they happen to a non-believer. My mother became so struck by Amma that she even obtained a mantra. You need to follow what resonates for you and what is the right path for you. No one can dictate that for you. And it probably is not Amma for you. Wishing you the best always, in Amma's grace and love and happy to be in the cult (grin), adriane Ammachi , " Woody " <oldmoses65 wrote: > > Well, thank you everyone for your quick responses to my concerns. I > appreciate all of you taking the time share your thoughts with me, > however, I still do feel a bit uneasy about some things. I > have been to many countries, fought in wars, taught philosophy > courses, and worked as a psychologist for 16+ years. In studying the > human mind/behavior, I have found that it is extremely easy for people > to create an almost fantasy type world within their minds, especially > surrounding spirituality. If we use the excuse that work is being done > to us all the time, we are essentially stating that negative behavior > is fine and that one should not be held responsible in the name of > spiritual work. A bit unsettling from a guru that most folks appear to > have a mainly psychologically based relationship with. It is so > indicative of cult behavior to respond with such responses. Actually, > your responses sort of helped me confirm my experience for what I > thought it was. I was so happy, in my old age, to find this spiritual > teacher whose message about love, peace, and compassion, was coming to > a town near me, only to find a large crowd of unhappy competitors > working and shopping like most of us do in our daily lives! Despite > the responses given, I find it very helpful to investigate other views > on the great Ammachi. Groups such as the free speech zone and sites > like cultofthehuggingsaint.com have been very helpful for me to gain > insight into the Amma world. I would advise that everyone devoted or > not do some research on what you have involved yourselves in or may be > thinking of becoming part of. As stated, I have seen the worst of mind > control during the wars and seen the best of psychological progress in > truly compassionate settings. This setting, after just one visit, is a > huge red flag to me. I did notice that people were so mean to each > other, however, no one mistreats the swami's or Amma herself? Why, > even if work is being done, can't people just be nice to each other? > Is it because they're competing for the attention of a guru who > actually does make claims of being God, and facilitates the > deification of herself through careful manipulation? I guess through > some more intense investigation, I will surely find out! Thanks again, > pleasant day to all. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Amma said that one way to consider how far you are coming along on the spiritual path is controlling your anger. The less angry you become, the further along you are on the path. The truth is we cannot air condition the world, but must learn to air condition the mind. Ammachi , " Woody " <oldmoses65 wrote: > > Well, thank you everyone for your quick responses to my concerns. I > appreciate all of you taking the time share your thoughts with me, > however, I still do feel a bit uneasy about some things. I > have been to many countries, fought in wars, taught philosophy > courses, and worked as a psychologist for 16+ years. In studying the > human mind/behavior, I have found that it is extremely easy for people > to create an almost fantasy type world within their minds, especially > surrounding spirituality. If we use the excuse that work is being done > to us all the time, we are essentially stating that negative behavior > is fine and that one should not be held responsible in the name of > spiritual work. A bit unsettling from a guru that most folks appear to > have a mainly psychologically based relationship with. It is so > indicative of cult behavior to respond with such responses. Actually, > your responses sort of helped me confirm my experience for what I > thought it was. I was so happy, in my old age, to find this spiritual > teacher whose message about love, peace, and compassion, was coming to > a town near me, only to find a large crowd of unhappy competitors > working and shopping like most of us do in our daily lives! Despite > the responses given, I find it very helpful to investigate other views > on the great Ammachi. Groups such as the free speech zone and sites > like cultofthehuggingsaint.com have been very helpful for me to gain > insight into the Amma world. I would advise that everyone devoted or > not do some research on what you have involved yourselves in or may be > thinking of becoming part of. As stated, I have seen the worst of mind > control during the wars and seen the best of psychological progress in > truly compassionate settings. This setting, after just one visit, is a > huge red flag to me. I did notice that people were so mean to each > other, however, no one mistreats the swami's or Amma herself? Why, > even if work is being done, can't people just be nice to each other? > Is it because they're competing for the attention of a guru who > actually does make claims of being God, and facilitates the > deification of herself through careful manipulation? I guess through > some more intense investigation, I will surely find out! Thanks again, > pleasant day to all. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 YOu're welcome. My reaction is that you entered as a skeptic, a psychologist, a philosopher and you perceived as such. You could have entered with faith and reverence and you would have perceived as such. That's the problem, eh? You get what you pay for? There's a man who met Amma and soon fell on his face, crying for 3 days, and not eating. He apparently found what he was looking for his whole life. He never left, after 30 years. I asked him how to accept darshan, since for me nothing seems to happen. He said to accept whatever the great saint has to offer. But, the philosopher-psychologist in us is frustrated; we seem to get what we send out. How can we be objective and see truly what is? Is scientific objectivity the way to go when dealing with spiritual matters like this? It's so frustrating. How do we know we are not fooling ourselves? Isn't that a Kierkegaardian moment? Do we choose faith, the leap, the absurd, or do we choose logic? I have no answers, sir. Avram ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 It was nice hearing your viewpoint. Good luck with your investigations. Regards and best wishes Labd Ammachi , " Woody " <oldmoses65 wrote: > > Well, thank you everyone for your quick responses to my concerns. I > appreciate all of you taking the time share your thoughts with me, > however, I still do feel a bit uneasy about some things. I > have been to many countries, fought in wars, taught philosophy > courses, and worked as a psychologist for 16+ years. In studying the > human mind/behavior, I have found that it is extremely easy for people > to create an almost fantasy type world within their minds, especially > surrounding spirituality. If we use the excuse that work is being done > to us all the time, we are essentially stating that negative behavior > is fine and that one should not be held responsible in the name of > spiritual work. A bit unsettling from a guru that most folks appear to > have a mainly psychologically based relationship with. It is so > indicative of cult behavior to respond with such responses. Actually, > your responses sort of helped me confirm my experience for what I > thought it was. I was so happy, in my old age, to find this spiritual > teacher whose message about love, peace, and compassion, was coming to > a town near me, only to find a large crowd of unhappy competitors > working and shopping like most of us do in our daily lives! Despite > the responses given, I find it very helpful to investigate other views > on the great Ammachi. Groups such as the free speech zone and sites > like cultofthehuggingsaint.com have been very helpful for me to gain > insight into the Amma world. I would advise that everyone devoted or > not do some research on what you have involved yourselves in or may be > thinking of becoming part of. As stated, I have seen the worst of mind > control during the wars and seen the best of psychological progress in > truly compassionate settings. This setting, after just one visit, is a > huge red flag to me. I did notice that people were so mean to each > other, however, no one mistreats the swami's or Amma herself? Why, > even if work is being done, can't people just be nice to each other? > Is it because they're competing for the attention of a guru who > actually does make claims of being God, and facilitates the > deification of herself through careful manipulation? I guess through > some more intense investigation, I will surely find out! Thanks again, > pleasant day to all. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Amma says so many things. Better yet to notice when you actually are angry and simply allow it. Otherwise one can become very spiritually advanced and repress it all just the same so that it never sees light of day. Then one will be able to show as being very spiritual, but completely unable to feel anger and perhaps even prone to lie to oneself and others when you actually are angry. This will be because anger is unallowable. You won't be able to feel anger or many other things all in the name of being spiritual. It will come out eventually. Probably expressed toward other people who are not as advanced as oneself. P. Ammachi , " n2amma " <a1driane wrote: > > Amma said that one way to consider how far you are coming along on > the spiritual path is controlling your anger. The less angry you > become, the further along you are on the path. The truth is we cannot > air condition the world, but must learn to air condition the mind. > > Ammachi , " Woody " <oldmoses65@> wrote: > > > > Well, thank you everyone for your quick responses to my concerns. I > > appreciate all of you taking the time share your thoughts with me, > > however, I still do feel a bit uneasy about some things. I > > have been to many countries, fought in wars, taught philosophy > > courses, and worked as a psychologist for 16+ years. In studying the > > human mind/behavior, I have found that it is extremely easy for > people > > to create an almost fantasy type world within their minds, > especially > > surrounding spirituality. If we use the excuse that work is being > done > > to us all the time, we are essentially stating that negative > behavior > > is fine and that one should not be held responsible in the name of > > spiritual work. A bit unsettling from a guru that most folks appear > to > > have a mainly psychologically based relationship with. It is so > > indicative of cult behavior to respond with such responses. > Actually, > > your responses sort of helped me confirm my experience for what I > > thought it was. I was so happy, in my old age, to find this > spiritual > > teacher whose message about love, peace, and compassion, was coming > to > > a town near me, only to find a large crowd of unhappy competitors > > working and shopping like most of us do in our daily lives! Despite > > the responses given, I find it very helpful to investigate other > views > > on the great Ammachi. Groups such as the free speech zone and sites > > like cultofthehuggingsaint.com have been very helpful for me to gain > > insight into the Amma world. I would advise that everyone devoted or > > not do some research on what you have involved yourselves in or may > be > > thinking of becoming part of. As stated, I have seen the worst of > mind > > control during the wars and seen the best of psychological progress > in > > truly compassionate settings. This setting, after just one visit, > is a > > huge red flag to me. I did notice that people were so mean to each > > other, however, no one mistreats the swami's or Amma herself? Why, > > even if work is being done, can't people just be nice to each other? > > Is it because they're competing for the attention of a guru who > > actually does make claims of being God, and facilitates the > > deification of herself through careful manipulation? I guess through > > some more intense investigation, I will surely find out! Thanks > again, > > pleasant day to all. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 If you are free, you are free to feel anything, without pretense. P. Ammachi , " parzival35 " <parzival2 wrote: > > Amma says so many things. > > Better yet to notice when you actually are angry and simply allow it. > Otherwise one can become very spiritually advanced and repress it all > just the same so that it never sees light of day. Then one will be > able to show as being very spiritual, but completely unable to feel > anger and perhaps even prone to lie to oneself and others when you > actually are angry. This will be because anger is unallowable. You > won't be able to feel anger or many other things all in the name of > being spiritual. It will come out eventually. Probably expressed > toward other people who are not as advanced as oneself. > > P. > > Ammachi , " n2amma " <a1driane@> wrote: > > > > Amma said that one way to consider how far you are coming along on > > the spiritual path is controlling your anger. The less angry you > > become, the further along you are on the path. The truth is we cannot > > air condition the world, but must learn to air condition the mind. > > > > Ammachi , " Woody " <oldmoses65@> wrote: > > > > > > Well, thank you everyone for your quick responses to my concerns. I > > > appreciate all of you taking the time share your thoughts with me, > > > however, I still do feel a bit uneasy about some things. I > > > have been to many countries, fought in wars, taught philosophy > > > courses, and worked as a psychologist for 16+ years. In studying the > > > human mind/behavior, I have found that it is extremely easy for > > people > > > to create an almost fantasy type world within their minds, > > especially > > > surrounding spirituality. If we use the excuse that work is being > > done > > > to us all the time, we are essentially stating that negative > > behavior > > > is fine and that one should not be held responsible in the name of > > > spiritual work. A bit unsettling from a guru that most folks appear > > to > > > have a mainly psychologically based relationship with. It is so > > > indicative of cult behavior to respond with such responses. > > Actually, > > > your responses sort of helped me confirm my experience for what I > > > thought it was. I was so happy, in my old age, to find this > > spiritual > > > teacher whose message about love, peace, and compassion, was coming > > to > > > a town near me, only to find a large crowd of unhappy competitors > > > working and shopping like most of us do in our daily lives! Despite > > > the responses given, I find it very helpful to investigate other > > views > > > on the great Ammachi. Groups such as the free speech zone and sites > > > like cultofthehuggingsaint.com have been very helpful for me to gain > > > insight into the Amma world. I would advise that everyone devoted or > > > not do some research on what you have involved yourselves in or may > > be > > > thinking of becoming part of. As stated, I have seen the worst of > > mind > > > control during the wars and seen the best of psychological progress > > in > > > truly compassionate settings. This setting, after just one visit, > > is a > > > huge red flag to me. I did notice that people were so mean to each > > > other, however, no one mistreats the swami's or Amma herself? Why, > > > even if work is being done, can't people just be nice to each other? > > > Is it because they're competing for the attention of a guru who > > > actually does make claims of being God, and facilitates the > > > deification of herself through careful manipulation? I guess through > > > some more intense investigation, I will surely find out! Thanks > > again, > > > pleasant day to all. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 -The idea is reaching a point where you are unaffected rather than suppressing anger. I think that there is a definite difference! LOL..and believe me, I am NOT there! grin... in amma, adriane -- In Ammachi , " parzival35 " <parzival2 wrote: > > Amma says so many things. > > Better yet to notice when you actually are angry and simply allow it. > Otherwise one can become very spiritually advanced and repress it all > just the same so that it never sees light of day. Then one will be > able to show as being very spiritual, but completely unable to feel > anger and perhaps even prone to lie to oneself and others when you > actually are angry. This will be because anger is unallowable. You > won't be able to feel anger or many other things all in the name of > being spiritual. It will come out eventually. Probably expressed > toward other people who are not as advanced as oneself. > > P. > > Ammachi , " n2amma " <a1driane@> wrote: > > > > Amma said that one way to consider how far you are coming along on > > the spiritual path is controlling your anger. The less angry you > > become, the further along you are on the path. The truth is we cannot > > air condition the world, but must learn to air condition the mind. > > > > Ammachi , " Woody " <oldmoses65@> wrote: > > > > > > Well, thank you everyone for your quick responses to my concerns. I > > > appreciate all of you taking the time share your thoughts with me, > > > however, I still do feel a bit uneasy about some things. I > > > have been to many countries, fought in wars, taught philosophy > > > courses, and worked as a psychologist for 16+ years. In studying the > > > human mind/behavior, I have found that it is extremely easy for > > people > > > to create an almost fantasy type world within their minds, > > especially > > > surrounding spirituality. If we use the excuse that work is being > > done > > > to us all the time, we are essentially stating that negative > > behavior > > > is fine and that one should not be held responsible in the name of > > > spiritual work. A bit unsettling from a guru that most folks appear > > to > > > have a mainly psychologically based relationship with. It is so > > > indicative of cult behavior to respond with such responses. > > Actually, > > > your responses sort of helped me confirm my experience for what I > > > thought it was. I was so happy, in my old age, to find this > > spiritual > > > teacher whose message about love, peace, and compassion, was coming > > to > > > a town near me, only to find a large crowd of unhappy competitors > > > working and shopping like most of us do in our daily lives! Despite > > > the responses given, I find it very helpful to investigate other > > views > > > on the great Ammachi. Groups such as the free speech zone and sites > > > like cultofthehuggingsaint.com have been very helpful for me to gain > > > insight into the Amma world. I would advise that everyone devoted or > > > not do some research on what you have involved yourselves in or may > > be > > > thinking of becoming part of. As stated, I have seen the worst of > > mind > > > control during the wars and seen the best of psychological progress > > in > > > truly compassionate settings. This setting, after just one visit, > > is a > > > huge red flag to me. I did notice that people were so mean to each > > > other, however, no one mistreats the swami's or Amma herself? Why, > > > even if work is being done, can't people just be nice to each other? > > > Is it because they're competing for the attention of a guru who > > > actually does make claims of being God, and facilitates the > > > deification of herself through careful manipulation? I guess through > > > some more intense investigation, I will surely find out! Thanks > > again, > > > pleasant day to all. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Do you think that Amma ever gets angry? Has she ever been angry? Has she ever been affected by her anger after realization? Maybe someone should ask the swamis what they know of this? P. Ammachi , " n2amma " <a1driane wrote: > > -The idea is reaching a point where you are unaffected rather than > suppressing anger. I think that there is a definite difference! > LOL..and believe me, I am NOT there! grin... > > in amma, > adriane > > -- In Ammachi , " parzival35 " <parzival2@> wrote: > > > > Amma says so many things. > > > > Better yet to notice when you actually are angry and simply allow > it. > > Otherwise one can become very spiritually advanced and repress it > all > > just the same so that it never sees light of day. Then one will be > > able to show as being very spiritual, but completely unable to feel > > anger and perhaps even prone to lie to oneself and others when you > > actually are angry. This will be because anger is unallowable. You > > won't be able to feel anger or many other things all in the name of > > being spiritual. It will come out eventually. Probably expressed > > toward other people who are not as advanced as oneself. > > > > P. > > > > Ammachi , " n2amma " <a1driane@> wrote: > > > > > > Amma said that one way to consider how far you are coming along > on > > > the spiritual path is controlling your anger. The less angry you > > > become, the further along you are on the path. The truth is we > cannot > > > air condition the world, but must learn to air condition the mind. > > > > > > Ammachi , " Woody " <oldmoses65@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Well, thank you everyone for your quick responses to my > concerns. I > > > > appreciate all of you taking the time share your thoughts with > me, > > > > however, I still do feel a bit uneasy about some things. I > > > > have been to many countries, fought in wars, taught philosophy > > > > courses, and worked as a psychologist for 16+ years. In > studying the > > > > human mind/behavior, I have found that it is extremely easy for > > > people > > > > to create an almost fantasy type world within their minds, > > > especially > > > > surrounding spirituality. If we use the excuse that work is > being > > > done > > > > to us all the time, we are essentially stating that negative > > > behavior > > > > is fine and that one should not be held responsible in the name > of > > > > spiritual work. A bit unsettling from a guru that most folks > appear > > > to > > > > have a mainly psychologically based relationship with. It is so > > > > indicative of cult behavior to respond with such responses. > > > Actually, > > > > your responses sort of helped me confirm my experience for what > I > > > > thought it was. I was so happy, in my old age, to find this > > > spiritual > > > > teacher whose message about love, peace, and compassion, was > coming > > > to > > > > a town near me, only to find a large crowd of unhappy > competitors > > > > working and shopping like most of us do in our daily lives! > Despite > > > > the responses given, I find it very helpful to investigate > other > > > views > > > > on the great Ammachi. Groups such as the free speech zone and > sites > > > > like cultofthehuggingsaint.com have been very helpful for me to > gain > > > > insight into the Amma world. I would advise that everyone > devoted or > > > > not do some research on what you have involved yourselves in or > may > > > be > > > > thinking of becoming part of. As stated, I have seen the worst > of > > > mind > > > > control during the wars and seen the best of psychological > progress > > > in > > > > truly compassionate settings. This setting, after just one > visit, > > > is a > > > > huge red flag to me. I did notice that people were so mean to > each > > > > other, however, no one mistreats the swami's or Amma herself? > Why, > > > > even if work is being done, can't people just be nice to each > other? > > > > Is it because they're competing for the attention of a guru who > > > > actually does make claims of being God, and facilitates the > > > > deification of herself through careful manipulation? I guess > through > > > > some more intense investigation, I will surely find out! Thanks > > > again, > > > > pleasant day to all. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Is Kali an angry looking deity? What exactly does " ugra-devata " mean? P. Ammachi , " parzival35 " <parzival2 wrote: > > Do you think that Amma ever gets angry? > > Has she ever been angry? > > Has she ever been affected by her anger after realization? > > Maybe someone should ask the swamis what they know of this? > > P. > > Ammachi , " n2amma " <a1driane@> wrote: > > > > -The idea is reaching a point where you are unaffected rather than > > suppressing anger. I think that there is a definite difference! > > LOL..and believe me, I am NOT there! grin... > > > > in amma, > > adriane > > > > -- In Ammachi , " parzival35 " <parzival2@> wrote: > > > > > > Amma says so many things. > > > > > > Better yet to notice when you actually are angry and simply allow > > it. > > > Otherwise one can become very spiritually advanced and repress it > > all > > > just the same so that it never sees light of day. Then one will be > > > able to show as being very spiritual, but completely unable to feel > > > anger and perhaps even prone to lie to oneself and others when you > > > actually are angry. This will be because anger is unallowable. You > > > won't be able to feel anger or many other things all in the name of > > > being spiritual. It will come out eventually. Probably expressed > > > toward other people who are not as advanced as oneself. > > > > > > P. > > > > > > Ammachi , " n2amma " <a1driane@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Amma said that one way to consider how far you are coming along > > on > > > > the spiritual path is controlling your anger. The less angry you > > > > become, the further along you are on the path. The truth is we > > cannot > > > > air condition the world, but must learn to air condition the mind. > > > > > > > > Ammachi , " Woody " <oldmoses65@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well, thank you everyone for your quick responses to my > > concerns. I > > > > > appreciate all of you taking the time share your thoughts with > > me, > > > > > however, I still do feel a bit uneasy about some things. I > > > > > have been to many countries, fought in wars, taught philosophy > > > > > courses, and worked as a psychologist for 16+ years. In > > studying the > > > > > human mind/behavior, I have found that it is extremely easy for > > > > people > > > > > to create an almost fantasy type world within their minds, > > > > especially > > > > > surrounding spirituality. If we use the excuse that work is > > being > > > > done > > > > > to us all the time, we are essentially stating that negative > > > > behavior > > > > > is fine and that one should not be held responsible in the name > > of > > > > > spiritual work. A bit unsettling from a guru that most folks > > appear > > > > to > > > > > have a mainly psychologically based relationship with. It is so > > > > > indicative of cult behavior to respond with such responses. > > > > Actually, > > > > > your responses sort of helped me confirm my experience for what > > I > > > > > thought it was. I was so happy, in my old age, to find this > > > > spiritual > > > > > teacher whose message about love, peace, and compassion, was > > coming > > > > to > > > > > a town near me, only to find a large crowd of unhappy > > competitors > > > > > working and shopping like most of us do in our daily lives! > > Despite > > > > > the responses given, I find it very helpful to investigate > > other > > > > views > > > > > on the great Ammachi. Groups such as the free speech zone and > > sites > > > > > like cultofthehuggingsaint.com have been very helpful for me to > > gain > > > > > insight into the Amma world. I would advise that everyone > > devoted or > > > > > not do some research on what you have involved yourselves in or > > may > > > > be > > > > > thinking of becoming part of. As stated, I have seen the worst > > of > > > > mind > > > > > control during the wars and seen the best of psychological > > progress > > > > in > > > > > truly compassionate settings. This setting, after just one > > visit, > > > > is a > > > > > huge red flag to me. I did notice that people were so mean to > > each > > > > > other, however, no one mistreats the swami's or Amma herself? > > Why, > > > > > even if work is being done, can't people just be nice to each > > other? > > > > > Is it because they're competing for the attention of a guru who > > > > > actually does make claims of being God, and facilitates the > > > > > deification of herself through careful manipulation? I guess > > through > > > > > some more intense investigation, I will surely find out! Thanks > > > > again, > > > > > pleasant day to all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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