Neo adviata ...one more time...Stuart reincarnated

[Guest guest]

Ammachi , " violetdoves " <violetdoves wrote:

>

> " become more God-like "

>

> How does one become more God-like? What exactly does that mean? Do

you

> believe that through self-effort you can become more God-like?

>

> Just my opinion and personal experience speaking, but you are

> That...and no amount of self-effort can make you any more That than

> you already are.

 

 

Hey Violet, I thought you didn't have any beleifs?

 

the " no effort " hullabaloo is the standard tenet for neo " non dualism "

 

do we really need to start that boring old dialouge? And it's not

your personal experience...its your BELIEF.

 

What the neo non dualists don't admit is that they are completely at

the effect of their poor habits, mental and otherwise. (usually

substance abusers) Non dualists beleive they everyone is " equal "

(read: no delusional ego)spiritually and " already enlightened " .

 

remember those are beliefs. Neo adviata Non dualists also believe

that they have " no beliefs " , another vanity. (Pass the ecstacy pills).

 

 

 

 

 

> Amma embodies the aspects of love and compassion, but do you think

> that God is only love and compassion? What gave you the experience

or

> idea that God is love and compassion or that Amma is more God

because

> she seems to exhibit those qualities outwardly?

>

> I'm really not being snarky here, but I really like to see where

> others are coming from and how their belief systems have developed.

 

More non dualism 101.

 

Why don't you discuss your belief system? Or get on first base and

figure out that you've got one! if you plug into alot of mainstream

belief systems (post modern deconstructionism and neo adviata), it

doesn't mean you don't have a belief system, it just means that you

are unconscious of them.

 

You are so bought into them that you think they are " reality " .

 

God is Love: sat chit ananda, it is the human ego that obsseses on

nuerotic negative emotions that arise out of personal attachments.

(without which, psychiatry would be unnecessary) This leads to all

sorts of delusional states.

 

the purpose of sadhana is to free the individual from the delusion

that their " mind " or sense of personal identity is " in charge " . With

a little bit of thought, you will realize that, thankfully, that

small self getting identity will sooner or later have to go.

 

But that does not mean a merger into scientific, mental " nihilistic "

nothing (another classic neo adviata belief), it means a merger to

divine awareness: (read: unbounded, unconditional awareness..love,

peace, being ...etc etc etc)

 

But don't take my word for it, read Nisargadatta or Ramana..the

source books of adviata, that neo adviatans have twisted into

something that's more comfortable for their western mentality,

ie " neo adviata " .

 

 

 

Violet(?), if you really are interested, do some more reading about

true adviata and Bhakti, including Amma's books. But spending time

around an enlightened master is what really helps you get it.

 

With your neo adviata belief system in firm control, I doubt that

you would spend any time around a true spiritual master: your ego

would rebel. you would have to find fault, and try to prove yourself

to be " right " . Fight for your rights and prove your " equality " .

 

But, honestly, I don't think you are really interested, I just think

you want to be a chat room debate hound. BTW, you sound a lot like

Stuart.

 

 

 

> And to the other poster, I am not calling Amma a crook. I am simply

> pointing out inconsistencies to see how others react to them and

what

> solutions/answers those questions bring about.

 

If you know nothing about Amma as you have claimed, how could you

even began to speak about these issues intellegently? Why don't you

do real RESEARCH first, get the facts and then have an intelligent

discussion?

 

 

 

Chris

[Guest guest]

Chris,

 

I cannot respond to you anymore because you don't make any sense at

all. Please stop obsessing over me so much. I thought you were over

that. Apparently not.

 

Thanks,

 

Violet

[Guest guest]

And what's with all of the drug use accusations, Chris? That post was

really off the wall.

 

Violet

[Guest guest]

Let's see now? Neo non-dualists vs. non-dualists? Hmmm... That

would place Swami Vivekananda in one camp, and presumably the

chillum-smoking Shiva babas from North India into another, correct?

 

Which is the real article here?

 

I'm not being critical, because now you have me confused.

 

Where does Nisargadatta Maharaj fit in? For he not only smoked bidis

but he also sold them in Bombay? And he taught many westerners all

about the realization of non-duality.

 

And how about Ramana Maharshi for that matter? If you read Day by Day

with Bhagavan there are one or two entries where some of his devotees

go off on pradakshina of Arunachala. Someone among them brings bhang

which they share. This is recorded in the first edition. I can get

the very quote for you later, if you wish. Which class do they belong to?

 

And then what about all those Americans who got into Ramana Maharshi's

advaita teachings more recently in the past 15 years, and also the

English translations of Nisargadatta's spoken words? They must have

done acid before and then come around to the real thing, although they

might not have the good judgment to know the difference.

 

And Neem Karoli Baba? He took LSD to show his devotees something.

Richard Alpert watched him for hours after seeing him swallow it.

Apparently it didn't affect him at all.

 

In Miracle of Love edited by Ram Dass, Maharajji said of a young man

who took LSD and died that he finished his work and he was one with

Christ. The last entries in the man's diary were strange. He said

that " Ramana Maharshi and my guru are navigating my mahasamadhi. Know

that I left the body completely identified with Christ. Maharajji

said this to Ram Dass when RD took a photo from the young man's mother

to ask Maharajji how he died. And all those hippies there too around

him, tripping in the darshan line... which kind of non-dualists are they?

 

Apparently Ammachi said of Ram Dass in 2004 when he came to see her

that nobody has done more to spread spirituality in the West than Ram

Dass.

 

Is Ram Dass a non-dualist? He took acid a few hundred times as a

Harvard Professor, so he's probably a neo non-dualist, right?

 

Or Ramakrishna smoking his hubble-bubble, trying to show his mind the

experience of smoking a hubble-bubble? But we know he's a dualist,

anyway so I'm not even going to pose the question there.

 

Chris, I hope you never have the experience of getting darshan from

Amma when you're stoned, because she might blow your cover. I

wouldn't know to which category you belong then.

 

P.

 

Ammachi , " ckeniley2003 " <ckeniley2003 wrote:

>

> Ammachi , " violetdoves " <violetdoves@> wrote:

> >

> > " become more God-like "

> >

> > How does one become more God-like? What exactly does that mean? Do

> you

> > believe that through self-effort you can become more God-like?

> >

> > Just my opinion and personal experience speaking, but you are

> > That...and no amount of self-effort can make you any more That than

> > you already are.

>

>

> Hey Violet, I thought you didn't have any beleifs?

>

> the " no effort " hullabaloo is the standard tenet for neo " non dualism "

>

> do we really need to start that boring old dialouge? And it's not

> your personal experience...its your BELIEF.

>

> What the neo non dualists don't admit is that they are completely at

> the effect of their poor habits, mental and otherwise. (usually

> substance abusers) Non dualists beleive they everyone is " equal "

> (read: no delusional ego)spiritually and " already enlightened " .

>

> remember those are beliefs. Neo adviata Non dualists also believe

> that they have " no beliefs " , another vanity. (Pass the ecstacy pills).

>

>

>

>

>

> > Amma embodies the aspects of love and compassion, but do you think

> > that God is only love and compassion? What gave you the experience

> or

> > idea that God is love and compassion or that Amma is more God

> because

> > she seems to exhibit those qualities outwardly?

> >

> > I'm really not being snarky here, but I really like to see where

> > others are coming from and how their belief systems have developed.

>

> More non dualism 101.

>

> Why don't you discuss your belief system? Or get on first base and

> figure out that you've got one! if you plug into alot of mainstream

> belief systems (post modern deconstructionism and neo adviata), it

> doesn't mean you don't have a belief system, it just means that you

> are unconscious of them.

>

> You are so bought into them that you think they are " reality " .

>

> God is Love: sat chit ananda, it is the human ego that obsseses on

> nuerotic negative emotions that arise out of personal attachments.

> (without which, psychiatry would be unnecessary) This leads to all

> sorts of delusional states.

>

> the purpose of sadhana is to free the individual from the delusion

> that their " mind " or sense of personal identity is " in charge " . With

> a little bit of thought, you will realize that, thankfully, that

> small self getting identity will sooner or later have to go.

>

> But that does not mean a merger into scientific, mental " nihilistic "

> nothing (another classic neo adviata belief), it means a merger to

> divine awareness: (read: unbounded, unconditional awareness..love,

> peace, being ...etc etc etc)

>

> But don't take my word for it, read Nisargadatta or Ramana..the

> source books of adviata, that neo adviatans have twisted into

> something that's more comfortable for their western mentality,

> ie " neo adviata " .

>

>

>

> Violet(?), if you really are interested, do some more reading about

> true adviata and Bhakti, including Amma's books. But spending time

> around an enlightened master is what really helps you get it.

>

> With your neo adviata belief system in firm control, I doubt that

> you would spend any time around a true spiritual master: your ego

> would rebel. you would have to find fault, and try to prove yourself

> to be " right " . Fight for your rights and prove your " equality " .

>

> But, honestly, I don't think you are really interested, I just think

> you want to be a chat room debate hound. BTW, you sound a lot like

> Stuart.

>

>

>

> > And to the other poster, I am not calling Amma a crook. I am simply

> > pointing out inconsistencies to see how others react to them and

> what

> > solutions/answers those questions bring about.

>

> If you know nothing about Amma as you have claimed, how could you

> even began to speak about these issues intellegently? Why don't you

> do real RESEARCH first, get the facts and then have an intelligent

> discussion?

>

>

>

> Chris

>

[Guest guest]

This is a chat room discussion space. If you post anyone can respond.

I am countering you positions, which are all pretty common in neo

adviata circles.

 

I have no obssesion with you whatsoever. But I will definitely answer

your posts. Its not personal.

 

Ammachi , " violetdoves " <violetdoves wrote:

>

> Chris,

>

> I cannot respond to you anymore because you don't make any sense at

> all. Please stop obsessing over me so much. I thought you were over

> that. Apparently not.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Violet

>