First visit with Amma- making claims

[Guest guest]

Your quotes are appreciated. It's not

" entirely true " that Amma makes no claims

about herself. But devotees will parrot

what she says, as any devotee of a guru will.

And, there are certain situations where she

will imply a claim through someone else's

experience of her.

 

I think what's most shocking to newcomers,

spiritual or not, is the " practicing what

you preach " lacking in the atmosphere at the

darshan programs.

 

Other spiritual groups and religions have

devotees/monastics with less-than-perfect

people as sevites, but there's a marked

difference in their attitudes when interacting.

I laughed when a person recently mentioned

the part about " saving " seats. Back when

there were no tokens, it evolved into

people placing their cushion or jacket

in line and walking away, expecting others

to push it along, instead of waiting the

hours like everyone else.

 

Too often bad experiences are dismissed as

" projections " or " mis-understandings " .

While this is possible, it's also possible

the person had a valid bad experience that

needed improvement. Only discrimination of

information will determine what actually

happened (reality).

 

Any needed improvement never comes because

it's ALWAYS dismissed as the complainer's

problem (normally found in cults, not

mainstream religion). I've waited 10 years

for Amma to invoke the guru-mood more and less

mother-mood, and it just ain't happening.

 

When I see devotees on the fence, they either

leave the satsangs (but not Amma), or they

simply turn off the awareness that they were

blessed with (contempt for blessing) and

simply go along with anything the satsang wishes.

Some actually leave Amma altogether, as the

disparity in teachings vs reality is too much.

 

IMHO, Amma attracts many that wouldn't be

selfless any other way (ie, without instant

reward of her presence or association).

 

tom

 

 

 

-- In Ammachi , " violetdoves " <violetdoves wrote:

>

> I still don't understand what all of this nonsense is about Amma not

> making claims. Anyone who has read an Awaken, Children book or

> attended a satsang must know that she makes claims and allows others

> to make claims for her. I was just looking through that new critical

> website of Amma and they have a page about exactly this same issue.

> There are quotes on there from Amma's books that show all of the

> claims that Amma makes. Anyone who has read Amma's books knows that to

> say Amma makes no claims is completely absurd.

>

> Here are just a few, copied from the website:

>

> " Devotees call this 'Krishna,' 'Devi,' .....according to their faith.

> Amma is none of these, and at the same time she is everything. But she

> is also beyond. The entire universe exists as a small bubble within

> her. " - Amma (Awaken, Children Vol. VII p. 107)

>

> " The Master chooses you in order to save you. The fact that he has

> chosen you should be considered as a gift, which you don't actually

> deserve. " - Amma (Awaken Children, Vol VII p. 182)

>

> I'm sure if we all looked for quotes where Amma makes claims, we would

> be compiling quotes for the rest of our lives.

>

> So, it seems very strange to me that people insist Amma does not make

> claims. What's all of the denial around Amma making claims about? Most

> devotees think she is God. Why all of the secrecy and denial of the

> glaringly obvious?

>

> Violet

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think Amma has to depend on what anyone's experience is to know

who She is. She does not need any of us. She knows all and knows who

She is with or without us along for the ride.

 

> And, there are certain situations where she

> will imply a claim through someone else's

> experience of her.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear one,

> Other spiritual groups and religions have

> devotees/monastics with less-than-perfect

> people as sevites, but there's a marked

> difference in their attitudes when interacting.

 

People are people everywhere. Amma devotees are no different than the

general population except in having Amma as their guru. There are

many from numerous backgrounds who follow her. I have not seen

perfection anywhere in the world yet. I am sure none of us have. Just

look at us all! LOL...

 

> Too often bad experiences are dismissed as

> " projections " or " mis-understandings " .

> While this is possible, it's also possible

> the person had a valid bad experience that

> needed improvement. Only discrimination of

> information will determine what actually

> happened (reality).

 

> Any needed improvement never comes because

> it's ALWAYS dismissed as the complainer's

> problem (normally found in cults, not

> mainstream religion).

 

I think that sometimes complainers are probably missing the boat

around Amma. They spend so much time focusing on what is wrong rather

than enjoying her divinity and shakti. Such a waste! Sure no one is

perfect.

 

Complainers are welcome in mainstream religion?? Not from the Church

I was in. No one likes to hear complainers anywhere, really. We could

all sit around complaining. Change your attitude and change your

altitude. Do a check up from the neck up and get rid of that stinkin

thinkin as Zig says...Complainers get stuck in their own quagmire.

And around Amma, what a waste of precious time when you can bask in

Her incredible shakti!

 

I've waited 10 years

> for Amma to invoke the guru-mood more and less

> mother-mood, and it just ain't happening.

 

Where have you been dear brother? LOL...I cannot imagine what you

want Her to be that She is not. I guess we all see our own things

around Amma.

 

>> IMHO, Amma attracts many that wouldn't be

> selfless any other way (ie, without instant

> reward of her presence or association).

 

There are many who work tirelessly who rarely and some NEVER see Amma

yet help villagers and people all over the world. There are some

devotees who are devoted entirely to Amma who have NEVER ONCE seen

Her. What is in it for them? Amma is our GURU. Well of COURSE we want

to associate with AMMA! That is a given when she is our guru! LOL...I

know of someone who was devoted to Amma for 3 yrs before ever meeting

Her. Amma reaches out to people all over the world in Her own

mysterious ways. Of course, we all long to be with Amma. I mean, come

on! We are Amma devotees!! LOL...Amma where are you now!?

 

Jai Ma! JAI JAI MA...JAI MA...JAI JAI MA...JAI MA JAI MA JAI MA JAI

JAI MA....!

 

in amma,

adriane