Asked Amma about John of God

[Guest guest]

Both of us having a variety of health problems, led Samarpana to ask

Amma about John of God. Amma said it's OK to visit his healing

center in Brazil.

 

We were thinking we would need to sell our house to be able to go and

stay long enough for some substantial healing. But, Amma said

" no " to selling the house. So, we're not quite sure what to

do for now. Maybe it's a matter of timing.

 

But, anyone, who has serious health problems, might want to see what

your options are? Medical Approach, John of God, some combination of

both? And if medicine has done all it can, definitely look into this. Of

course, you can also ask Amma if it's good for you.

 

John of God is coming to USA, Rhinebeck, NY Sept 29th-Oct 2nd

 

www.johnofgodhealing.com/john_of_god_out_of_brazil__info.htm

<http://www.johnofgodhealing.com/john_of_god_out_of_brazil__info.htm>

 

 

 

 

One( of many interesting sites ) of some who were recipients of John of

God's miraculous healings:

http://www.grandtrineresources.com/JohnofGod.htm

<http://www.grandtrineresources.com/JohnofGod.htm>

 

 

 

I'll do one more post on this soon:

 

" Striking Similarities in the lives of Amma and John of God "

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

Some random thoughts:

 

We did go to Amritapuri a few years ago. The spiritual energy is amazing

there. But a little tough on our physical health. We highly recommend

Amritapuri for anyone with strong enough health and/or determination.

Especially for young people, a spiritual pilgrimage to India(

Amritapuri, Arunachala, Rishikesh, Karunamayi's Ashram in a sacred

forest surrounded by a sacred mountain range, Auroville, etc, etc )

would be of great value; for us, maybe next life-time. And, Amma's

tough India Tours( North and/or South ) would even be better.

 

In Karuna Polle's book, Karuna asked Amma about her retiring at

Amritapuri. Amma suggested that there might be a better option for her

somewhere in USA. Also from book, it seems Karuna likes to stay at

" silent " monasteries.

 

New DVD: " Into Great Silence " about life in a Christian

Monastery. Nice.

 

Mooji, of www.mooji.org <http://www.mooji.org/> , met a family in S.

Brazil who are " breatharians " all except for the youngest 12

year old who is not quite ready yet. Mooji said, " maybe next life

time. " This life time he is interested in working with people who

want to " awaken " via the self-inquiry advaita approach.

 

 

When you think about it, Amma is probably a " secret "

breatharian.

 

Hope some of this was helpful for someone. Thanks for listening.

 

Amma Bless,

 

amarnath

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I’m sure you realize, John of God may or may not help. I have a friend who

is dying of cancer who went to see him long before her cancer got this bad.

The visit didn’t seem to slow it down. Certainly didn’t reverse it.

 

When you think about it, Amma is probably a " secret "

breatharian.

 

When you look in the refrigerator where her food is kept (as I have), you

know she isn’t.

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

ONS,

 

Healing can happen at any time, we can offer our

prayers to God. Great one's such as Ammachi and Babaji

have been known to heal others completely of their

ills. Somethimes it is necessary to burn off the Karma

we have accrued, and this is why we may have many

aches and pains and imbalances.

 

We can try to take care of ourselves as best we can to

heal these imbalances, but we must offer it up to

Amma, and or God and if God sees that it is best for

us to walk free of these ills then so be it.

 

Babaji has spoken a lot about working (Karma yoga) and

health - I could not find the teaching I was looking

for on this, but I did find a similar one. See below.

 

I have wondered about such healers as John of God and

there is another saint from India who is young and has

a school where he is teaching this to others...

 

Maybe these ones are interfereing in our karma? I do

not know if this is true, but I do know that a Satguru

can do the same for their devotee....

 

Love and Peace,

Stacee

 

from babaji.net

 

" The food which we eat must be clean and nutritious,

like it was today. (There had been a fine birthday

feast that noon.) We should pay special attention to

everyone's health. Wherever there are centers, people

should try to grow and cook good vegetables and make

halvah and distribute them to others! Food should be

nutritious so your strength for working will increase

and your mind will be strong, too. It is necessary to

keep the body in good health in order to do good

Karma. If your body is not strong, how will you work?

We should eat nutritious food so our bodies become

energetic and our brains work better.

 

I want a Creation of strong and healthy people - there

is no place for weak people. I want people in this

Creation to be as fast in their actions as the Wind. I

want people who work with all their bodily energies.

At this time, the world needs such brave, strong

people.

 

If you are weak, how will you work and how will you

live? You must generate energy in order to exist.

Everyone must always be working hard. You should never

cultivate inaction here. There is no use to be a

deadweight to the Earth. Whatever wars were fought

during the past centuries were only to relieve the

world of the dead weight of idleness. You must be hard

workers.

 

If you are engaged in doing good deeds and go on doing

good acts, you will have good sleep, good appetite and

bad thoughts will not cross your mind. Otherwise, you

will always be criticizing others. In inaction, your

minds will always be engaged in thinking critically of

others. Karma - activity - is the only thing which can

drive out all evils.. "

 

 

 

 

--- amarnath <anatol_zinc wrote:

 

>

> Both of us having a variety of health problems, led

> Samarpana to ask

> Amma about John of God. Amma said it's OK to visit

> his healing

> center in Brazil.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ammachi , " Rick Archer " <rick wrote:

>

> I'm sure you realize, John of God may or may not help.

> I have a friend who

> is dying of cancer who went to see him

> long before her cancer got this bad.

> The visit didn't seem to slow it down. Certainly didn't reverse it.

> >>>

 

Thanks for pointing this out. You are right.

Seeing John of God is no guarantee.

 

In some ways, it's like seeing medical doctors;

but with slightly different specializations.

Many of the " benevolent spirits " working with John of God

were renowned medical doctors in their previous earth lives.

 

So, it's just another option.

Statistically, supposedly modern medicine is

effective only about 15% of the time;

or whatever the % is I don't know for sure.

 

But if medicine doesn't work for you,

perhaps something else will. For some

it may be nutritional healing, for others

psychic surgery, for others meditation,

for others a trip to Amritapuri,

for others some spiritual pilgrimage,

prayer lists; pujas; etc, I had a

wonderful healing one time

with a Siva Puja at Amritapuri on

MahaShivaratri day;

Nothing is 100% until it is;

until it works that is.

 

As a matter of fact, for terminally ill,

it is recommended to send a picture first

before venturing our to Brazil and John of God

will advise, if it's good to come, don't bother,

or timing might be an important factor.

 

Remember, there is no charge for the healing program

in Brazil; so, it's not like someone is twisting

your arm to come for a profit.

 

In one case, a visiting lady

at the Casa in Abadiania,Brazil

simply asked John of God to bless her son

while he was dying at a hospice in England.

In this case, John of God said,

" he can be healed; get him over here ASAP. "

After healing her son, John told him,

" you were healed so that you can work

with children who are ill. "

 

In the 50 min documentary for the discovery channel,

there was a lady who was healed of cancer

after a prolonged treatment; on the other hand,

a fellow with a leaky heart valve; his situation

was uncertain by the end of the film;

even though he had quite a flashy spiritual experience.

 

One amazing healing of an inoperable brain tumor

for Matthew Ireland did not require any psychic

surgery; just prayers and meditation

in the " current room " was enough over a two year period.

 

John of God seems to be aware of the karma situation;

( not sure in same way as Amma )

for instance, healing a poor farmer of pain right away

so that he can work and provide for his family.

Whereas for some one on the spiritual path,

he might say it requires some more SEVA, etc.

 

Last October when John of God was in NY,

a friend of a friend said that her cancer

was reversed simply with that one visit

to Rhinebeck NY.

 

So, like Jesus, Amma, John of God and other

great sages sometimes say,

" Your faith has healed you. "

And our faiths stored up in our

subconscious resonate with different

environments, etc.

 

I look at Amma as the Divine Mother of All

and other healers, doctors, teachers, friends

as children of that Mother. We are all instruments

in Her Hands is my belief.

 

Also, I feel whatever effort we can make on our own

for our health and strength can be used to serve

Amma's Programs, Amma's Children, planet earth, etc.

 

Amma Bless,

amarnath

[Guest guest]

Ammachi , Stacee Kramer <stacee.kramer wrote:

>

> ....

> I have wondered about such healers as John of God and

> there is another saint from India who is young and has

> a school where he is teaching this to others...

>

> Maybe these ones are interfereing in our karma? I do

> not know if this is true, but I do know that a Satguru

> can do the same for their devotee....

>

> Love and Peace,

> Stacee> >>

 

good question.

it may be if you go to another healer saint

it may be part of your karma

he may owe you

and you're doing him/her a favor

by allowing that

not sure I'm saying above correctly;

but maybe you can sense what I'm trying to say

 

it is said that karma in unfathomable

 

one example, Yogananda ran away from his Guru

shortly after meeting him.

 

at the foothills of the himalayas,

Yogananda meet a yogi saint

and asked him for a samadhi

 

the saint said, " your guru

will grant you a samadhi

but I can do sometyhing for you "

and he took away the chronic back pain

that yogananda suffered for

many years which no doubt

interfered with his attempts to mediate

to some degree( my guess )

 

our satguru, Amma, has done miracles

for both me and Samarpana,

but She does sometimes suggest

people see a doctor,

 

so, we're seeing psychic doctors

who incorporate in body of John of God.

John of God's record over 50 years is good.

and it's with Amma's OK.

 

Amma Bless,

amarnath

[Guest guest]

>

> one example, Yogananda ran away from his Guru

> shortly after meeting him.

>

> at the foothills of the himalayas,

> Yogananda meet a yogi saint

> and asked him for a samadhi

>

> the saint said, " your guru

> will grant you a samadhi

> but I can do sometyhing for you "

> and he took away the chronic back pain

> that yogananda suffered for

> many years which no doubt

> interfered with his attempts to mediate

> to some degree( my guess )

>

 

Yogananda came up in my thoughts on this topic as

well. I recall him mentioning certain Saints who had

health problems themselves, but this did not interfere

in their state of peace and happiness.

 

Many very sensitive souls feel the ills and karmas of

the world.

 

Irina Tweedie's Sadguru was always sick and he said

that this was how his father (who was a Sadguru

himself) and his Rev. Master were as well.

 

We can heal ourselves through meditation and by

repeating the names of God. I know of two individuals

who follow a different path, and say the names of God

all of the time in Hebrew as part of their lives,

spiritual mission and teaching in the world.

 

Both, after many years noticed incredible healing to

their bodies which had been plagued by polio and other

disease.

 

***Maybe**** if it happens easily and you are truly

lead to an individual who can help you, but that it

should not be one's main focus. Service and sadhana

should come first.

 

Also, maybe it is important to go through all of the

life lesson's that come up when dealing with various

health issues.

 

Wouldn't the disease be cleared if the lesson's were

learned and or if it had burned all of one's karma? Or

if one's Sadguru chose to intervene having seen that

one had grown sufficiently from the experience?

 

We do not truly know it is OK for us to be healed,

even if Amma says it is OK to see a healer, she may be

testing your faith in Her or yourself.

 

S

[Guest guest]

Ammachi , Stacee Kramer <stacee.kramer wrote:

> ....

> Yogananda came up in my thoughts on this topic as

> well. I recall him mentioning certain Saints who had

> health problems themselves, but this did not interfere

> in their state of peace and happiness.

>

> Many very sensitive souls feel the ills and karmas of

> the world.

>

> Irina Tweedie's Sadguru was always sick and he said

> that this was how his father (who was a Sadguru

> himself) and his Rev. Master were as well.

>

> We can heal ourselves through meditation and by

> repeating the names of God. I know of two individuals

> who follow a different path, and say the names of God

> all of the time in Hebrew as part of their lives,

> spiritual mission and teaching in the world.

>

> Both, after many years noticed incredible healing to

> their bodies which had been plagued by polio and other

> disease.

>

> ***Maybe**** if it happens easily and you are truly

> lead to an individual who can help you, but that it

> should not be one's main focus. Service and sadhana

> should come first.

>

> Also, maybe it is important to go through all of the

> life lesson's that come up when dealing with various

> health issues.

>

> Wouldn't the disease be cleared if the lesson's were

> learned and or if it had burned all of one's karma? Or

> if one's Sadguru chose to intervene having seen that

> one had grown sufficiently from the experience?

>

> We do not truly know it is OK for us to be healed,

> even if Amma says it is OK to see a healer, she may be

> testing your faith in Her or yourself.

>

> S

> >>>

excellent points, namaste,

i appreciate your very thoughtful posts on this

 

i have contemplated these points on my own

for many years now,

and have depended and still do very much

on meditation(25 years TM), prayer(37 years), Amma(12 years),

etc etc and this has kept me going

some beautiful experiences, miracles(?), etc

 

and especially agree with you on this one:

> Service and sadhana should come first.

my add:*** especially Service***

this is why besides Amma,

Peace Pilgrim, John of God, Mother Theresa, etc

were/are my role models; perhaps I have not been

the best of followers in this respect; but I tried

 

and still, Amma sometimes says

to go see a doctor to her closest devotees

and many of Amma devotees have good results

with the many Alternative approaches

some of which are ads in Immortal Bliss

 

so, every situation is different and I don't

feel Amma is against us doing anything that

might help us become healthier and stronger

to do more seva and sadhana

 

unless, it's time, as Amma says

where everything begins to leave us,

our health, wealth, strenght,

and even all of our sadhana

and there is no option other then to

" surrender " completely

of course,

genuine surrender is the ultimate sadhana

 

my two current considerations are:

1)what if ill health is an obstacle to Service and Sadhana ?

in spite of one's best attempts in all suggestions you mentioned?

2)in advaita and Amma also says this sometimes

" to accept everything as it comes to us;

rather than struggle to try and change things;

rather than try to fix things for the better "

I'm close to this in some ways;

except, I still have a responsibility

toward my partner's health situation.

 

as far as your last point is; again a good one;

and only Amma really knows what Her " tests " are

and whether we are failing them or passing them

 

I sometimes feel I don't know what exactly

Amma want us to do; I have asked Dayamritaji

to ask Amma to guide me from within;

he did and said Amma would

 

Amma Bless,

amarnath

[Guest guest]

ONS Thank you for sharing your insights I found them to be helpful!

 

amarnath <anatol_zinc wrote: --- In

Ammachi , Stacee Kramer <stacee.kramer wrote:

> ....

> Yogananda came up in my thoughts on this topic as

> well. I recall him mentioning certain Saints who had

> health problems themselves, but this did not interfere

> in their state of peace and happiness.

>

> Many very sensitive souls feel the ills and karmas of

> the world.

>

> Irina Tweedie's Sadguru was always sick and he said

> that this was how his father (who was a Sadguru

> himself) and his Rev. Master were as well.

>

> We can heal ourselves through meditation and by

> repeating the names of God. I know of two individuals

> who follow a different path, and say the names of God

> all of the time in Hebrew as part of their lives,

> spiritual mission and teaching in the world.

>

> Both, after many years noticed incredible healing to

> their bodies which had been plagued by polio and other

> disease.

>

> ***Maybe**** if it happens easily and you are truly

> lead to an individual who can help you, but that it

> should not be one's main focus. Service and sadhana

> should come first.

>

> Also, maybe it is important to go through all of the

> life lesson's that come up when dealing with various

> health issues.

>

> Wouldn't the disease be cleared if the lesson's were

> learned and or if it had burned all of one's karma? Or

> if one's Sadguru chose to intervene having seen that

> one had grown sufficiently from the experience?

>

> We do not truly know it is OK for us to be healed,

> even if Amma says it is OK to see a healer, she may be

> testing your faith in Her or yourself.

>

> S

> >>>

excellent points, namaste,

i appreciate your very thoughtful posts on this

 

i have contemplated these points on my own

for many years now,

and have depended and still do very much

on meditation(25 years TM), prayer(37 years), Amma(12 years),

etc etc and this has kept me going

some beautiful experiences, miracles(?), etc

 

and especially agree with you on this one:

> Service and sadhana should come first.

my add:*** especially Service***

this is why besides Amma,

Peace Pilgrim, John of God, Mother Theresa, etc

were/are my role models; perhaps I have not been

the best of followers in this respect; but I tried

 

and still, Amma sometimes says

to go see a doctor to her closest devotees

and many of Amma devotees have good results

with the many Alternative approaches

some of which are ads in Immortal Bliss

 

so, every situation is different and I don't

feel Amma is against us doing anything that

might help us become healthier and stronger

to do more seva and sadhana

 

unless, it's time, as Amma says

where everything begins to leave us,

our health, wealth, strenght,

and even all of our sadhana

and there is no option other then to

" surrender " completely

of course,

genuine surrender is the ultimate sadhana

 

my two current considerations are:

1)what if ill health is an obstacle to Service and Sadhana ?

in spite of one's best attempts in all suggestions you mentioned?

2)in advaita and Amma also says this sometimes

" to accept everything as it comes to us;

rather than struggle to try and change things;

rather than try to fix things for the better "

I'm close to this in some ways;

except, I still have a responsibility

toward my partner's health situation.

 

as far as your last point is; again a good one;

and only Amma really knows what Her " tests " are

and whether we are failing them or passing them

 

I sometimes feel I don't know what exactly

Amma want us to do; I have asked Dayamritaji

to ask Amma to guide me from within;

he did and said Amma would

 

Amma Bless,

amarnath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Semira E. Rose A candle is not dimmed by lighting another candle. " Just as

food nourishes our body, selfless actions nourish our soul " - Sri Mata

Amritanandamayi (Amma) " The optimist sees the rose and not it's thorns, the

pessimist stares at the thorns , oblivious of the rose " - Kahlil Gibran

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Ammachi , S Rose <enchantedserose wrote:

>....

>

> Semira E. Rose

> A candle is not dimmed by lighting another candle.

> " Just as food nourishes our body,

> selfless actions nourish our soul "

> - Sri Mata Amritanandamayi (Amma)

> " The optimist sees the rose and not it's thorns,

> the pessimist stares at the thorns , oblivious of the rose "

> - Kahlil Gibran

>>>

 

thanks for the inspiration

[Guest guest]

Discussions can be endless, I would say do anything but be guilt-free

and regret-free. Follow your inner guide.

 

One guru once commented that he didn't give " clear instructions " but

" clarity " since what works today might not work for tomorrow and he

might not be around tomorrow. This is superb - just avoid anyone who

gives clear instructions (use Colgate always) and follow gurus like Amma

who give clarity(aw shucks I can't deal with Colgate no more). So clear

instructions will not make you intelligent but keep you from

responding(as opposed to reacting which is what Amma says).

 

If you have fixed answers (such as abortion is bad or abortion is good)

- you would always be reacting(asleep) instead of responding(aware).

 

Ammachi , " amarnath " <anatol_zinc wrote:

>

> Ammachi , Stacee Kramer stacee.kramer@ wrote:

[Guest guest]

Oops, a little correction

 

So clear instructions will not make you intelligent, they will make you

react instead of respond(**Amma has talked about response vs react in

the past**)

 

 

Ammachi , " Ravi Chivukula " <ravichivukula

wrote:

>

> Discussions can be endless, I would say do anything but be guilt-free

> and regret-free. Follow your inner guide.

>

> One guru once commented that he didn't give " clear instructions " but

> " clarity " since what works today might not work for tomorrow and he

> might not be around tomorrow. This is superb - just avoid anyone who

> gives clear instructions (use Colgate always) and follow gurus like

Amma

> who give clarity(aw shucks I can't deal with Colgate no more). So

clear

> instructions will not make you intelligent but keep you from

> responding(as opposed to reacting which is what Amma says).

>

> If you have fixed answers (such as abortion is bad or abortion is

good)

> - you would always be reacting(asleep) instead of responding(aware).

>

> Ammachi , " amarnath " anatol_zinc@ wrote:

> >

> > Ammachi , Stacee Kramer stacee.kramer@ wrote:

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks Ravi, for the Clarity and the Humor !

 

Ammachi , " Ravi Chivukula " <ravichivukula

wrote:

>

> Discussions can be endless, I would say do anything but be guilt-free

> and regret-free. Follow your inner guide.

>

> One guru once commented that he didn't give " clear instructions " but

> " clarity " since what works today might not work for tomorrow and he

> might not be around tomorrow. This is superb - just avoid anyone who

> gives clear instructions (use Colgate always) and follow gurus like Amma

> who give clarity(aw shucks I can't deal with Colgate no more). So clear

> instructions will not make you intelligent but keep you from

> responding(as opposed to reacting which is what Amma says).

>

> If you have fixed answers (such as abortion is bad or abortion is good)

> - you would always be reacting(asleep) instead of responding(aware).

>

> Ammachi , " amarnath " <anatol_zinc@> wrote:

> >

> > Ammachi , Stacee Kramer stacee.kramer@ wrote:

>