Guest guest Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 What is there to discuss? These mantras are very long and not for the vast majority of people. I've read that they can be harmful to saadhaks if the prescribed purificatory preparation is not done (and don't say things like, " Oh, with Amma everything will be ok " ). They are part of the traditional worship of Lalita Devi, along with the Sri Cakra Puja and 1000 Names. My own experience with them, with good concentration, is that they created intense IMMEDIATE stillness, like grabbing a vibrating guitar string suddenly. But in that process, you've lost energy, or possibly converted it. Sort of like a constant humming that you weren't aware of that suddenly stops. With that great peace and stillness came fatigue. Similar mass loss/conversion of energy has occurred from my experimenting with other Maha Vidya mantras. Better to stick with shorter, basic deity mantras. tom Ammachi , nand mugve <mugve2005 wrote: > > Would anyone like to discuss on-line or off-line the Panchadasaakshari and Shodasaakshari mantras? I am a newcomer. Nand Mugve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Ammachi , " tom " <tomgull wrote: > > My own experience with them, with good concentration, is that they > created intense IMMEDIATE stillness, like grabbing a vibrating guitar > string suddenly. But in that process, you've lost energy, or > possibly converted it. Sort of like a constant humming that you > weren't aware of that suddenly stops. This has been my experience too, although this is with the mantra that Amma has given me (never tried the panchadasaksari although I know what the 15 syllables are). I would not describe it as " lost energy " . It was more like being stripped naked of familiar social and psychological props, hence the confusion of not knowing how to deal with that nakedness. > With that great peace and stillness came fatigue. yes. for me, it was because I could bear to be without my props, my masks. Kind of like the " free fall " experience, a frightening stripping of all security.... i have always, more and more reluctantly, chosen to fall back into my social, physiological, and psychological support systems. maybe next time I will deal with it better. > > tom Jai Ma! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 I'm confused by what you've said. Are you talking about the same experience with your Amma mantra, or did Amma give you the 16-syllable one? If she gave you the 16-syllable one, then use that until the end is reached. As far as similar experiences with a regular-Amma mantra, I can't say it was for me. The 15 or 16 syllable one, definitely has the stillness effect (deep sense of peace), but my Amma-given mantra is totally different in it's effect. It's definitely united me alot with it's focus and caused various kundalini effects over the years. Mine is one aspect of the formless, hence " Om " is used in place of the deity, but still preceded by seed-mantra. I can't say anything of a " naked " experience as you describe. Most of my mantra japa is done lying down, to take focus off of the body having to keep itself sitting upright (ie, sensory deprivation). The 15/16 syllable mantras, or similar *long* mantras, the stillness leads to near-instant sleep. And only when the concentration *happened* to be good. About the other person's advice, not everyone looks up to Dayamrita as being skilled in spirituality, etc, so don't take his word as being Gospel (as too many do already). It's just that the voices in favor of his alleged spiritual *height* intimidate those of another opinion. tom Ammachi , " manoj_menon " <manoj_menon wrote: > > > This has been my experience too, although this is with the mantra that > Amma has given me (never tried the panchadasaksari although I know > what the 15 syllables are). > > I would not describe it as " lost energy " . It was more like being > stripped naked of familiar social and psychological props, hence the > confusion of not knowing how to deal with that nakedness.> > > yes. for me, it was because I could bear to be without my props, my > masks. Kind of like the " free fall " experience, a frightening > stripping of all security.... i have always, more and more > reluctantly, chosen to fall back into my social, physiological, and > psychological support systems. > > maybe next time I will deal with it better. > tom > > Jai Ma! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Ammachi , " tom " <tomgull wrote: > > I'm confused by what you've said. Are you talking about the same > experience with your Amma mantra, or did Amma give you the 16- > syllable one? If she gave you the 16-syllable one, then use that > until the end is reached. > Amma (or any other guru) NEVER initiated me into the 15 or 16 syllable mantra! I am talking of my experience with my guru mantra (which is a different om-bija-deity-namaha mantra). I guess stuff comes differently to different people at different times. > I can't say anything of a " naked " experience as you describe. > Most of my mantra japa is done lying down, to take focus off of > the body having to keep itself sitting upright (ie, sensory > deprivation). The 15/16 syllable mantras, or similar *long* > mantras, the stillness leads to near-instant sleep. And only when > the concentration *happened* to be good. The 15-syllable is not " that " long; for comparison, the Gayatri mantra itself has 24 syllables. While the 15 syllables can be read off a book nowadays or on a website (which is what I have done), the 16th syllable is usually revealed in intuition or by a Guru secretly. I have never read the 16th syllable anywhere.... only genuine sadhaks get the 16th syllable! > tom Amma! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 I've read different accounts as to what the 16th syllable is, along with various translations of the mantra in it's un-abbreviated form. Of the 16th, I've read somewhere in the Amma-materials that it's " Shreem " , the classic Laxmi seed. Another instance showed it to be " Hreem " which the mantra already contains. In both instances, these *16th* seeds were placed at the beginning. I guess it's only important if one chooses to follow that tradition of Devi and it's sadhana. True, they're not as long as the Gayatri or Mrtyunjaya, but even doing long-term japa of those is easier in one's Rajasic days, when one has an abundance or even excess of energy. Like those and the litanies (108/1000), they have their place. When one's mind becomes more still and sattvic, it's hard to do the longer names, as it is when one is still primarily Tamasic. tom Ammachi , " manoj_menon " <manoj_menon wrote: > > -(snip) > While the 15 syllables can be read off a book nowadays or on a > website (which is what I have done), the 16th syllable is usually > revealed in intuition or by a Guru secretly. I have never read the > 16th syllable anywhere.... only genuine sadhaks get the 16th > syllable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 >I've read different accounts as to what the 16th syllable is, along >with various translations of the mantra in it's un-abbreviated form. I've seen these too, some drawn from puranic texts which indirectly spell out the bijas, but it seems to me that this is one of those mantras, whatever variations exist, that needs to be transmitted by a living teacher. The infusion of essence being crucial to the experience. I'm still waiting... Max -- Max Dashu Art in Goddess Reverence http://www.maxdashu.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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