Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 please read this e-mail carefully.tom is out right disrespecting AMMA.it is not that SHE can actually be disrespected for he does not have that power,but if you all can find ANY forum in which Christians allow people to say things like, " JESUS used peter so that he could benifit " ,which is what tom said about what AMMA is doing with me..tom said on this mail below that AMMA and the org.i using me for a poster child.i am not offended in the least bit,but this is not right and it can be stoped!this disrespect towards AMMA,has to stop!there is no ill feelings towards tom.it could be anyone.enough is enough! on another mail tom said that AMMAs karma would run out!you all are okay with that type of word usage on a AMMA forum?this free speech thing has gone to far! Ammachi: tomgull: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 14:32:46 +0000 Re: AMMAs Lakota children/fundraising Awareness and discrimination, among other things.Like seeing the tumor of cancer, but not understandingthe systemic affect that's already killing the body.The ignorant will only cure the wound (gross form)and not the real problem, or other more serious problems.That's why even talking to someone like Temba or Dayamrita,won't help me, because they'd be lucky to understand even 10%of the problems or suffering. Intellectual ability is notthe same as *capacity* and therefore, even someone witha good intellect will arrive at the incorrect conclusion,without enough intellectual capacity (ie, awareness).Temba's endeavors are given extra attention from " the org " and Amma because he's the perfect poster-child story thatthe org/Amma can benefit from. For example, for movies,the US military will only cooperate with and even give extra assistance to movies that put them in a good light.As I've stated numerous times, to the doubt of New Agers(ie, psuedo-neo-psychology), there's a huge differencebetween preventable (or even self-caused) suffering,and preventable suffering.tom--- In Ammachi , Max Dashu <maxdashu wrote:>> >If it ALL-WAYS works out, then how about doing some praying for me,> > " brother " ? Seriously.> > I bet he will. But, what makes you so sure that you have had a harder > path than Temba? Or the people he is working to help? _______________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Dear Temba, I know these negative comments have been upsetting and clearly meant to provoke you. But Amma doesn't need anyone to defend her honor, as you know, and your service speaks for itself. It may not be possible to change the heart of a person who believes in his own superiority and spends so much time comparing who is advanced and who is not. Especially if he enjoys the attention. Better not to feed it. Let him say what he likes -- that only proves the saying, Aversion is attraction to pain. If the light is there it will be known. Thanks Amarnath for the quotes. Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Ammachi , Max Dashu <maxdashu wrote: > > Dear Temba, > > I know these negative comments have been upsetting and clearly meant > to provoke you. But Amma doesn't need anyone to defend her honor, as > you know, and your service speaks for itself. > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! Namaskarams! that may be true, but still the heart of a devotees rushes in to defend the honour of his/her Guru...and sometimes it seems important to do so on this or the other list, for the sake of the newer devotees, who may be distracted by all these negative statements.... so Mother doesn't need, but often WE need... in Her Love, visvanathan Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 thankyou for stepping to the plate and making this statement.someone is looking at the BIGGER picture. Ammachi: kasi_visvanath: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 01:26:24 +0000 Re: BELOVED FAMLIY! Ammachi , Max Dashu <maxdashu wrote:>> Dear Temba,> > I know these negative comments have been upsetting and clearly meant > to provoke you. But Amma doesn't need anyone to defend her honor, as > you know, and your service speaks for itself.> Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!Namaskarams!that may be true, but still the heart of a devotees rushes in todefend the honour of his/her Guru...and sometimes it seems importantto do so on this or the other list, for the sake of the newerdevotees, who may be distracted by all these negative statements....so Mother doesn't need, but often WE need...in Her Love,visvanathanOm Amrtesvaryai Namah! _______________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Om Namah Shivaya, I agree about the newcommers feelings. I was once a newcomer and was totally confused if this group is really pro Ammachi group or otherwise, but later realized the reality. It does confuse people who join the group for their benefit of spiritual upliftment. It hurt me and am sure there are many more like me, when we hear ill about Amma. As Vishvanathan correctly said, I too understand that Amma doesnt need anything, its we who need it. So I sought Amma's help in different forms to transcend this ill feeling. Now it doesnt bother me as much and I do pray whole heartly to Amma for all people whether they know me or not, like me or hate me, to equally be able to see the positiveness in any situation that we face and be able to respond rather than react. Thanks Amarnath for the wonderful dadabhagavan website. Am sure if we really follow the points mentioned there, it will do us great good, like, one point is " Fault is of the sufferer " . I never heard that before. So good to know. Let all our hearts be open so Amma's grace can enter & benefit us. Aum Amriteshwaryay Namah ! --- On Thu, 10/9/08, visvanathan <kasi_visvanath wrote: visvanathan <kasi_visvanath Re: BELOVED FAMLIY! Ammachi Thursday, October 9, 2008, 6:26 AM Ammachi@ .com, Max Dashu <maxdashu@.. .> wrote: > > Dear Temba, > > I know these negative comments have been upsetting and clearly meant > to provoke you. But Amma doesn't need anyone to defend her honor, as > you know, and your service speaks for itself. > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! Namaskarams! that may be true, but still the heart of a devotees rushes in to defend the honour of his/her Guru...and sometimes it seems important to do so on this or the other list, for the sake of the newer devotees, who may be distracted by all these negative statements.. .. so Mother doesn't need, but often WE need... in Her Love, visvanathan Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Namaste Yes, M Menon, so many of us have had the same experience when it comes to the experience of the Ammachi group. . . thank you for speaking up. .. . . We truly have a choice here-----if we join with a common intent we can make this group a place that honors Amma and a place that brings Amma to this site through Her light that is within all of her children here. . . I know i allowed the toxcity to silence my participation for too long. . . Last summer after being frustrated with the Amma groups. . . went looking for another group to participate in. . . found a group and joined it before realizing it was another Divine Mother's bhakti group. .. .that little group was awesome. . .the members were respectful. . . loving. . .and displayed their dedication to awakening with clarity of heart and committment to discipline. . . There was respect, loving confrontation, honesty, and appropriate boundaries. . . .and the guidelines where reinforced. . .if members did not adhere to the group guidelines they were asked to leave the group. . . alas. . . i had to leave the group. . .was told it was a closed group and if i wanted to be in the group would have to leave Amma as a devotee and follow that Divine Mother and follow the discipline as set forth by that Guru. . . I left the group with honor and respect. . .because like every child know who my Mother is. . . . share this because i know it is possible to create a healthy group that is honoring and respectful to the members and Amma. . . I personally do not feel it is about asking anyone to leave the group. . .. .but perhaps we can make a group decision to no longer allow the power of the negative to dominate the space. . . in the last couple of months i am starting to see how much light there is within the members. . ..there is Max-- have spent time on her website, and there is a wealth of information about the Goddess and the suppressed histories--her voice is powerful and clear. . . .there is Robyn Ammapoet sharing her beautiful devotional poetry. . . there is Temba and his heart for Amma and service. . .and Amarnath that came in and started sharing powerful Amma quotes--it was Amarnath's example that helped me see there was a way to particpate even in the midst of the negativity. . .recently took a look at Fe's photography and it is very interesting and she does have a gift with the lens. . .recently there appeared " labd " and though she is new to the group she beautifully displayed Amma's energy of defenselessness. . .and there is Visvanathan with his love for Amma and sometimes he says something that i might be thinking but would not say. .. .and there is Ravi Chivukula with a counter-balance displaying encouragement and information for a member wanting to visit Amma in India. . .when he and Manoj expressed their goodness it was the breath of Amma. . .there is Pranada that brings forth the prayers list each week in quite gentle loving service to Amma and Her children. . . just last week there was Nand he said he was new. . .he was barked at. . ..hope he comes back. . . we have members that are in midst of physical challenges and medical procedures that we could lend care and compassion. . . we are moving into a period where our Nation is going through great challenges and it would be nice to come to a Amma group site that is gentle and supportive. . . and on and on. . .and many more. .. . What i am trying to say. . .by the grace of Amma we can bring forth a space that is safe. . . light filled. . . honoring. . . respectful. . . We do not need to get rid of the darkness. . .but continue to bring the light. . .in whatever way each member desires. . . .to express the goodness. . .and inexpressible grace that we know as AMMA. . . . No revolution. . .just an ongoing evolution of Amma's divine love and goodness. . . . .this is my prayer . . . Aum Amrteswaryai Namaha marci Ammachi , M Menon <avmm_99 wrote: > > Om Namah Shivaya, > I agree about the newcommers feelings. I was once a newcomer and was totally confused if this group is really pro Ammachi group or otherwise, but later realized the reality. It does confuse people who join the group for their benefit of spiritual upliftment. It hurt me and am sure there are many more like me, when we hear ill about Amma. As Vishvanathan correctly said, I too understand that Amma doesnt need anything, its we who need it. So I sought Amma's help in different forms to transcend this ill feeling. Now it doesnt bother me as much and I do pray whole heartly to Amma for all people whether they know me or not, like me or hate me, to equally be able to see the positiveness in any situation that we face and be able to respond rather than react. > Thanks Amarnath for the wonderful dadabhagavan website. Am sure if we really follow the points mentioned there, it will do us great good, like, one point is " Fault is of the sufferer " . > I never heard that before. So good to know. > > Let all our hearts be open so Amma's grace can enter & benefit us. > Aum Amriteshwaryay Namah ! > > --- On Thu, 10/9/08, visvanathan kasi_visvanath wrote: > > visvanathan kasi_visvanath > Re: BELOVED FAMLIY! > Ammachi > Thursday, October 9, 2008, 6:26 AM Ammachi@ .com, Max Dashu maxdashu@ .> wrote: > > > > Dear Temba, > > > > I know these negative comments have been upsetting and clearly meant > > to provoke you. But Amma doesn't need anyone to defend her honor, as > > you know, and your service speaks for itself. > > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! > > Namaskarams! > > that may be true, but still the heart of a devotees rushes in to > defend the honour of his/her Guru...and sometimes it seems important > to do so on this or the other list, for the sake of the newer > devotees, who may be distracted by all these negative statements.. .. > > so Mother doesn't need, but often WE need... > > in Her Love, > > visvanathan > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 when we dont hear, or see someone, it is easy to forget about them,but the SUPREME PRINCIPLE never does.if we uphold THAT and courageously stand for THAT,no one will ever be forgotten.if we uphold the PRINCIPLES that AMMA embody's ,then we are always remembering the new person on the path, as well as the suffering world. AMMA is known as the MOTHER of COMPASSION,but the more intimate you become with HER,SHE reveals HERSELF as the FATHER of discipline as well.this SHE/HE does through our life's situations.THE MOTHER AND FATHER both have their own ways of expressing their love.saying thankyou to HER for it all is to grow and expand in the HEART. we will all fade!all of us will come and go!we will leave in and out of each others lives,but the PRINCIPLE will remain.this group is fleeting.this world is fleeting.i am fleeting.BUT the PRINCIPLE is not.it will stand the test of time and those that know will STAND WITH IT!hold on to the principle and not the personality.the PRINCIPLE brings bliss.the personality is temporary and will bring suffering.when the MAHATMA comes to the earth,the ones that embraces the principles live in the oneness and the wholeness .the ones that get stuck on the personality of the MAHATAMAs,get attached and think that everyone around them must worship that personality as well.we do this with each other. some will say good about temba,some will say bad,but the PRINCIPLE remains in the center.this is what remaining balanced and calm is about.when we live in the love of the PRINCIPLE within us,when the personalitys outside of us shifts,the PRINCIPLE within remains the same. AMMA even says that those that get attached to HER body without knowing the PRINCIPLE behind ,it will suffer!so what is it that we LOVE about AMMA? it is true that HER form is grand,but is it not THE LOVE that emanates from HER that has truly has attracted us all here?AMMAs smile is beautiful,but that which is behind that smile is PURE CONSCIUOSNESS AND BLISS..that is what we stand with,for and in.that is what we seek within ourselves.that is the eternal glue that will sustain this group if we couragously always uphold the ETERNAL SUPREME PRINCIPLE and not the FLEETING personality's of anyone in this group,including me ..AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA...............\ ... Ammachi: Mmrivertalk: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 22:10:40 +0000 Re: BELOVED FAMLIY! NamasteYes, M Menon, so many of us have had the same experience when it comesto the experience of the Ammachi group. . . thank you for speaking up.. . . We truly have a choice here-----if we join with a common intentwe can make this group a place that honors Amma and a place that bringsAmma to this site through Her light that is within all of her childrenhere. . . I know i allowed the toxcity to silence my participation fortoo long. . .Last summer after being frustrated with the Amma groups. . . wentlooking for another group to participate in. . . found a group andjoined it before realizing it was another Divine Mother's bhakti group.. .that little group was awesome. . .the members were respectful. . .loving. . .and displayed their dedication to awakening with clarity ofheart and committment to discipline. . . There was respect, lovingconfrontation, honesty, and appropriate boundaries. . . .and theguidelines where reinforced. . .if members did not adhere to the groupguidelines they were asked to leave the group. . . alas. . . i had toleave the group. . .was told it was a closed group and if i wanted tobe in the group would have to leave Amma as a devotee and follow thatDivine Mother and follow the discipline as set forth by that Guru. . . Ileft the group with honor and respect. . .because like every child knowwho my Mother is. . . . share this because i know it is possible tocreate a healthy group that is honoring and respectful to the membersand Amma. .. .I personally do not feel it is about asking anyone to leave the group. .. ..but perhaps we can make a group decision to no longer allow the powerof the negative to dominate the space. . . in the last couple of monthsi am starting to see how much light there is within the members. ..there is Max-- have spent time on her website, and there is a wealth ofinformation about the Goddess and the suppressed histories--her voice ispowerful and clear. . . .there is Robyn Ammapoet sharing her beautifuldevotional poetry. . . there is Temba and his heart for Amma andservice. . .and Amarnath that came in and started sharing powerful Ammaquotes--it was Amarnath's example that helped me see there was a way toparticpate even in the midst of the negativity. . .recently took a lookat Fe's photography and it is very interesting and she does have a giftwith the lens. . .recently there appeared " labd " and though she is newto the group she beautifully displayed Amma's energy ofdefenselessness. . .and there is Visvanathan with his love for Amma andsometimes he says something that i might be thinking but would not say.. .and there is Ravi Chivukula with a counter-balance displayingencouragement and information for a member wanting to visit Amma inIndia. . .when he and Manoj expressed their goodness it was the breathof Amma. . .there is Pranada that brings forth the prayers list eachweek in quite gentle loving service to Amma and Her children. . . justlast week there was Nand he said he was new. . .he was barked at. ..hope he comes back. . . we have members that are in midst of physicalchallenges and medical procedures that we could lend care andcompassion. . . we are moving into a period where our Nation is goingthrough great challenges and it would be nice to come to a Amma groupsite that is gentle and supportive. . . and on and on. . .and many more.. ..What i am trying to say. . .by the grace of Amma we can bring forth aspace that is safe. . . light filled. . . honoring. . . respectful. . .We do not need to get rid of the darkness. . .but continue to bring thelight. . .in whatever way each member desires. . . .to express thegoodness. . .and inexpressible grace that we know as AMMA. . . .No revolution. . .just an ongoing evolution of Amma's divine love andgoodness. . . . .this is my prayer . . .Aum Amrteswaryai NamahamarciAmmachi , M Menon <avmm_99 wrote:>> Om Namah Shivaya,> I agree about the newcommers feelings. I was once a newcomer and wastotally confused if this group is really pro Ammachi group or otherwise,but later realized the reality. It does confuse people who join thegroup for their benefit of spiritual upliftment. It hurt me and am surethere are many more like me, when we hear ill about Amma. AsVishvanathan correctly said, I too understand that Amma doesnt needanything, its we who need it. So I sought Amma's help in differentforms to transcend this ill feeling. Now it doesnt bother me as much andI do pray whole heartly to Amma for all people whether they know me ornot, like me or hate me, to equally be able to see the positiveness inany situation that we face and be able to respond rather than react.> Thanks Amarnath for the wonderful dadabhagavan website. Am sure if wereally follow the points mentioned there, it will do us great good,like, one point is " Fault is of the sufferer " .> I never heard that before. So good to know.>> Let all our hearts be open so Amma's grace can enter & benefit us.> Aum Amriteshwaryay Namah !>> --- On Thu, 10/9/08, visvanathan kasi_visvanath wrote:>> visvanathan kasi_visvanath Re: BELOVED FAMLIY!> To: Ammachi > Thursday, October 9, 2008, 6:26 AM>>>>>>> --- In Ammachi@ .com, Max Dashu maxdashu@ .> wrote:> >> > Dear Temba,> >> > I know these negative comments have been upsetting and clearly meant> > to provoke you. But Amma doesn't need anyone to defend her honor, as> > you know, and your service speaks for itself.> >> Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!>> Namaskarams!>> that may be true, but still the heart of a devotees rushes in to> defend the honour of his/her Guru...and sometimes it seems important> to do so on this or the other list, for the sake of the newer> devotees, who may be distracted by all these negative statements.. ..>> so Mother doesn't need, but often WE need...>> in Her Love,>> visvanathan>> Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Namaste Could those that have been here for awhile share what made the prior group work? Also would people be willing to share how they would like to see the group transform? What would each person's vision and personal intent be for this Amma group to be healthy and vital? One of the small things i liked about the group i visited is that each entry had to be started with Namaste. It was a simple thing but it set a tone and an intent. Aum Amrteswaryai Namaha marci **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Well said marci. But if I may correct you - I may be a wimp but I'm no woman ). I'm male. Not that anyone here cares but just wanted to clarify. And thanks for the Seattle reference. Labd Ammachi , " mm " <Mmrivertalk wrote: > > > Namaste > > Yes, M Menon, so many of us have had the same experience when it comes > to the experience of the Ammachi group. . . thank you for speaking up. > . . . We truly have a choice here-----if we join with a common intent > we can make this group a place that honors Amma and a place that brings > Amma to this site through Her light that is within all of her children > here. . . I know i allowed the toxcity to silence my participation for > too long. . . > > Last summer after being frustrated with the Amma groups. . . went > looking for another group to participate in. . . found a group and > joined it before realizing it was another Divine Mother's bhakti group. > . .that little group was awesome. . .the members were respectful. . . > loving. . .and displayed their dedication to awakening with clarity of > heart and committment to discipline. . . There was respect, loving > confrontation, honesty, and appropriate boundaries. . . .and the > guidelines where reinforced. . .if members did not adhere to the group > guidelines they were asked to leave the group. . . alas. . . i had to > leave the group. . .was told it was a closed group and if i wanted to > be in the group would have to leave Amma as a devotee and follow that > Divine Mother and follow the discipline as set forth by that Guru. . . I > left the group with honor and respect. . .because like every child know > who my Mother is. . . . share this because i know it is possible to > create a healthy group that is honoring and respectful to the members > and Amma. . . > > I personally do not feel it is about asking anyone to leave the group. . > . .but perhaps we can make a group decision to no longer allow the power > of the negative to dominate the space. . . in the last couple of months > i am starting to see how much light there is within the members. . > .there is Max-- have spent time on her website, and there is a wealth of > information about the Goddess and the suppressed histories--her voice is > powerful and clear. . . .there is Robyn Ammapoet sharing her beautiful > devotional poetry. . . there is Temba and his heart for Amma and > service. . .and Amarnath that came in and started sharing powerful Amma > quotes--it was Amarnath's example that helped me see there was a way to > particpate even in the midst of the negativity. . .recently took a look > at Fe's photography and it is very interesting and she does have a gift > with the lens. . .recently there appeared " labd " and though she is new > to the group she beautifully displayed Amma's energy of > defenselessness. . .and there is Visvanathan with his love for Amma and > sometimes he says something that i might be thinking but would not say. > . .and there is Ravi Chivukula with a counter-balance displaying > encouragement and information for a member wanting to visit Amma in > India. . .when he and Manoj expressed their goodness it was the breath > of Amma. . .there is Pranada that brings forth the prayers list each > week in quite gentle loving service to Amma and Her children. . . just > last week there was Nand he said he was new. . .he was barked at. . > .hope he comes back. . . we have members that are in midst of physical > challenges and medical procedures that we could lend care and > compassion. . . we are moving into a period where our Nation is going > through great challenges and it would be nice to come to a Amma group > site that is gentle and supportive. . . and on and on. . .and many more. > . . > > What i am trying to say. . .by the grace of Amma we can bring forth a > space that is safe. . . light filled. . . honoring. . . respectful. . . > We do not need to get rid of the darkness. . .but continue to bring the > light. . .in whatever way each member desires. . . .to express the > goodness. . .and inexpressible grace that we know as AMMA. . . . > > No revolution. . .just an ongoing evolution of Amma's divine love and > goodness. . . . .this is my prayer . . . > > Aum Amrteswaryai Namaha > > marci > > > Ammachi , M Menon <avmm_99@> wrote: > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > I agree about the newcommers feelings. I was once a newcomer and was > totally confused if this group is really pro Ammachi group or otherwise, > but later realized the reality. It does confuse people who join the > group for their benefit of spiritual upliftment. It hurt me and am sure > there are many more like me, when we hear ill about Amma. As > Vishvanathan correctly said, I too understand that Amma doesnt need > anything, its we who need it. So I sought Amma's help in different > forms to transcend this ill feeling. Now it doesnt bother me as much and > I do pray whole heartly to Amma for all people whether they know me or > not, like me or hate me, to equally be able to see the positiveness in > any situation that we face and be able to respond rather than react. > > Thanks Amarnath for the wonderful dadabhagavan website. Am sure if we > really follow the points mentioned there, it will do us great good, > like, one point is " Fault is of the sufferer " . > > I never heard that before. So good to know. > > > > Let all our hearts be open so Amma's grace can enter & benefit us. > > Aum Amriteshwaryay Namah ! > > > > --- On Thu, 10/9/08, visvanathan kasi_visvanath@ wrote: > > > > visvanathan kasi_visvanath@ > > Re: BELOVED FAMLIY! > > Ammachi > > Thursday, October 9, 2008, 6:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ammachi@ .com, Max Dashu maxdashu@ .> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Temba, > > > > > > I know these negative comments have been upsetting and clearly meant > > > to provoke you. But Amma doesn't need anyone to defend her honor, as > > > you know, and your service speaks for itself. > > > > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! > > > > Namaskarams! > > > > that may be true, but still the heart of a devotees rushes in to > > defend the honour of his/her Guru...and sometimes it seems important > > to do so on this or the other list, for the sake of the newer > > devotees, who may be distracted by all these negative statements.. .. > > > > so Mother doesn't need, but often WE need... > > > > in Her Love, > > > > visvanathan > > > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Ammachi , " mm " <Mmrivertalk wrote: > > > Namaste > > Yes, M Menon, so many of us have had the same experience when it comes > to the experience of the Ammachi group. . . thank you for speaking up. > . . . We truly have a choice here-----if we join with a common intent > we can make this group a place that honors Amma and a place that brings > Amma to this site through Her light that is within all of her children > here. . . I know i allowed the toxcity to silence my participation for > too long. . . > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!! Namaskarams!! what you are longing for dear sister is what we used to have on this group several years ago. there was discussion and sometimes disagreements, but not nearly so much nastiness or negative talk.... but as time passed we seemed to attract more and more of those who loved to make trouble, and to attempt to sow dissension among the devotees, even trying to draw them into EX Amma groups with their provocative (and libelous) questions...attempting instead of praising Amma, to denigrate Her and drag Her image through the mud of their own sewerage. and as a result a lot of the good devotees, the inspiring ones departed the list in despair and disgust, unwilling to take part in such a charged atmosphere. In Her Divine Love, and in Her Service, as ever, your own Self, visvanathan Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 One of my goals is that new people get a truer experience of the Amma-phenomenom. For SOME, I think it's better that their *honeymoon* period is as short as possible, to minimize damage. If one comes to a list like this expecting everything sugary-sweet, then it's not satsang they seek. Although I can see how they'd be misled as to what *satsang* is, if they attend Amma-satsangs. There's a clear difference between negativity and true impurity. If you use only *negativity* as your guide, then you'll always remain in the ego, as anything opposite your current beliefs will be seen as a threat and will be unpleasant. in the spirit of violet doves, tom Ammachi , M Menon <avmm_99 wrote: > > Om Namah Shivaya, > I agree about the newcommers feelings. I was once a newcomer and was totally confused if this group is really pro Ammachi group or otherwise, but later realized the reality. It does confuse people who join the group for their benefit of spiritual upliftment. It hurt me and am sure there are many more like me, when we hear ill about Amma. (snip) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Namaste dear Labd. . . .sooooooo sorry. . . .you are right. . .it was the word " wimp " and i went sterotypical. . . . mercy. . . i was glad you asked the question about the Amrtipuri area. . . i have had the same question .. . . Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha marci Ammachi , " labd2929 " <labd2929 wrote: > > Well said marci. But if I may correct you - I may be a wimp but I'm no woman ). I'm > male. Not that anyone here cares but just wanted to clarify. And thanks for the Seattle > reference. > > Labd > > > > Ammachi , " mm " Mmrivertalk@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste > > > > Yes, M Menon, so many of us have had the same experience when it comes > > to the experience of the Ammachi group. . . thank you for speaking up. > > . . . We truly have a choice here-----if we join with a common intent > > we can make this group a place that honors Amma and a place that brings > > Amma to this site through Her light that is within all of her children > > here. . . I know i allowed the toxcity to silence my participation for > > too long. . . > > > > Last summer after being frustrated with the Amma groups. . . went > > looking for another group to participate in. . . found a group and > > joined it before realizing it was another Divine Mother's bhakti group. > > . .that little group was awesome. . .the members were respectful. . .. > > loving. . .and displayed their dedication to awakening with clarity of > > heart and committment to discipline. . . There was respect, loving > > confrontation, honesty, and appropriate boundaries. . . .and the > > guidelines where reinforced. . .if members did not adhere to the group > > guidelines they were asked to leave the group. . . alas. . . i had to > > leave the group. . .was told it was a closed group and if i wanted to > > be in the group would have to leave Amma as a devotee and follow that > > Divine Mother and follow the discipline as set forth by that Guru. . .. I > > left the group with honor and respect. . .because like every child know > > who my Mother is. . . . share this because i know it is possible to > > create a healthy group that is honoring and respectful to the members > > and Amma. . . > > > > I personally do not feel it is about asking anyone to leave the group. . > > . .but perhaps we can make a group decision to no longer allow the power > > of the negative to dominate the space. . . in the last couple of months > > i am starting to see how much light there is within the members. . > > .there is Max-- have spent time on her website, and there is a wealth of > > information about the Goddess and the suppressed histories--her voice is > > powerful and clear. . . .there is Robyn Ammapoet sharing her beautiful > > devotional poetry. . . there is Temba and his heart for Amma and > > service. . .and Amarnath that came in and started sharing powerful Amma > > quotes--it was Amarnath's example that helped me see there was a way to > > particpate even in the midst of the negativity. . .recently took a look > > at Fe's photography and it is very interesting and she does have a gift > > with the lens. . .recently there appeared " labd " and though she is new > > to the group she beautifully displayed Amma's energy of > > defenselessness. . .and there is Visvanathan with his love for Amma and > > sometimes he says something that i might be thinking but would not say. > > . .and there is Ravi Chivukula with a counter-balance displaying > > encouragement and information for a member wanting to visit Amma in > > India. . .when he and Manoj expressed their goodness it was the breath > > of Amma. . .there is Pranada that brings forth the prayers list each > > week in quite gentle loving service to Amma and Her children. . . just > > last week there was Nand he said he was new. . .he was barked at. . > > .hope he comes back. . . we have members that are in midst of physical > > challenges and medical procedures that we could lend care and > > compassion. . . we are moving into a period where our Nation is going > > through great challenges and it would be nice to come to a Amma group > > site that is gentle and supportive. . . and on and on. . .and many more. > > . . > > > > What i am trying to say. . .by the grace of Amma we can bring forth a > > space that is safe. . . light filled. . . honoring. . . respectful. .. . > > We do not need to get rid of the darkness. . .but continue to bring the > > light. . .in whatever way each member desires. . . .to express the > > goodness. . .and inexpressible grace that we know as AMMA. . . . > > > > No revolution. . .just an ongoing evolution of Amma's divine love and > > goodness. . . . .this is my prayer . . . > > > > Aum Amrteswaryai Namaha > > > > marci > > > > > > Ammachi , M Menon <avmm_99@> wrote: > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > > I agree about the newcommers feelings. I was once a newcomer and was > > totally confused if this group is really pro Ammachi group or otherwise, > > but later realized the reality. It does confuse people who join the > > group for their benefit of spiritual upliftment. It hurt me and am sure > > there are many more like me, when we hear ill about Amma. As > > Vishvanathan correctly said, I too understand that Amma doesnt need > > anything, its we who need it. So I sought Amma's help in different > > forms to transcend this ill feeling. Now it doesnt bother me as much and > > I do pray whole heartly to Amma for all people whether they know me or > > not, like me or hate me, to equally be able to see the positiveness in > > any situation that we face and be able to respond rather than react. > > > Thanks Amarnath for the wonderful dadabhagavan website. Am sure if we > > really follow the points mentioned there, it will do us great good, > > like, one point is " Fault is of the sufferer " . > > > I never heard that before. So good to know. > > > > > > Let all our hearts be open so Amma's grace can enter & benefit us. > > > Aum Amriteshwaryay Namah ! > > > > > > --- On Thu, 10/9/08, visvanathan kasi_visvanath@ wrote: > > > > > > visvanathan kasi_visvanath@ > > > Re: BELOVED FAMLIY! > > > Ammachi > > > Thursday, October 9, 2008, 6:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ammachi@ .com, Max Dashu maxdashu@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Temba, > > > > > > > > I know these negative comments have been upsetting and clearly meant > > > > to provoke you. But Amma doesn't need anyone to defend her honor, as > > > > you know, and your service speaks for itself. > > > > > > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! > > > > > > Namaskarams! > > > > > > that may be true, but still the heart of a devotees rushes in to > > > defend the honour of his/her Guru...and sometimes it seems important > > > to do so on this or the other list, for the sake of the newer > > > devotees, who may be distracted by all these negative statements.. ... > > > > > > so Mother doesn't need, but often WE need... > > > > > > in Her Love, > > > > > > visvanathan > > > > > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Namaste Thanks for the history of the group for i did not know that once the space was more healthy. . .Can we bring it back? Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha marci Ammachi , " visvanathan " <kasi_visvanath wrote: > > Ammachi , " mm " Mmrivertalk@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste > > > > Yes, M Menon, so many of us have had the same experience when it comes > > to the experience of the Ammachi group. . . thank you for speaking up. > > . . . We truly have a choice here-----if we join with a common intent > > we can make this group a place that honors Amma and a place that brings > > Amma to this site through Her light that is within all of her children > > here. . . I know i allowed the toxcity to silence my participation for > > too long. . . > > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!! > > Namaskarams!! > > what you are longing for dear sister is what we used to have on this > group several years ago. there was discussion and sometimes > disagreements, but not nearly so much nastiness or negative talk.... > > but as time passed we seemed to attract more and more of those who > loved to make trouble, and to attempt to sow dissension among the > devotees, even trying to draw them into EX Amma groups with their > provocative (and libelous) questions...attempting instead of praising > Amma, to denigrate Her and drag Her image through the mud of their own > sewerage. > > and as a result a lot of the good devotees, the inspiring ones > departed the list in despair and disgust, unwilling to take part in > such a charged atmosphere. > > In Her Divine Love, > and in Her Service, > as ever, > your own Self, > > visvanathan > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Om Namah Shivaya ! Namaste ! I think if this group is named Ammachi as Temba says, we should discuss more about Amma Principle and build up a stronger foundation based on that. Else it should probably be named something else. I think most of us here in this group know the difference between compassion/love verses materialistic/mindful/egoistic advances. If this basic difference is clear why should we go back and keep rubbing on the same topic again and again and waste our time and energy when we are supposed to conserve energy and learn better techniques to conserve energy? It would be so nice to have a such a healthy environment. Am sure we all can always benefit out of a healthy environment. What can we do to bring it back to its old shape ? Aum Amriteshwaryay Namah ! --- On Fri, 10/10/08, mm <Mmrivertalk wrote: mm <Mmrivertalk Re: BELOVED FAMLIY! Ammachi Friday, October 10, 2008, 7:04 AM Namaste Thanks for the history of the group for i did not know that once the space was more healthy. . .Can we bring it back? Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha marci Ammachi@ .com, " visvanathan " <kasi_visvanath@ ...> wrote: > > Ammachi@ .com, " mm " Mmrivertalk@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste > > > > Yes, M Menon, so many of us have had the same experience when it comes > > to the experience of the Ammachi group. . . thank you for speaking up. > > . . . We truly have a choice here-----if we join with a common intent > > we can make this group a place that honors Amma and a place that brings > > Amma to this site through Her light that is within all of her children > > here. . . I know i allowed the toxcity to silence my participation for > > too long. . . > > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!! > > Namaskarams! ! > > what you are longing for dear sister is what we used to have on this > group several years ago. there was discussion and sometimes > disagreements, but not nearly so much nastiness or negative talk.... > > but as time passed we seemed to attract more and more of those who > loved to make trouble, and to attempt to sow dissension among the > devotees, even trying to draw them into EX Amma groups with their > provocative (and libelous) questions... attempting instead of praising > Amma, to denigrate Her and drag Her image through the mud of their own > sewerage. > > and as a result a lot of the good devotees, the inspiring ones > departed the list in despair and disgust, unwilling to take part in > such a charged atmosphere. > > In Her Divine Love, > and in Her Service, > as ever, > your own Self, > > visvanathan > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 dear Tom. . . you speak as one that is not able to maintain object constancy in relationship. . . perhaps you are projecting your own dynamics on other devotees. . .and we have a different base of connection with Amma than yourself. . . i honor that you are walking your path the way that is right for you. . .and also know that Amma is directing it with your greatest good in mind and heart. . . but it appears from what you wrote you are not aware that many devotess are able to move deeper than the initial stage that you call the*honeymoon* period. . . as if you must tell the children there is no Santa Clause. . . yes the Guru/devotee relationship moves through many phases. . .and personally have found with each phase a deeper and truer meaning of love. . . A scared and awesome love that is not continguent on Amma's form. . ..or whether one receives the direct experience from Amma. . .She awakens the love which is our Beingness. . . a love that transforms from wanting to be loved by Amma. . .to a love that just wants to love. . .to a love that just loves. . . a love that is not about the expression of emotion. . .or words. . . A love that desires only to love and to serve. . . which reveals the essence and ground of our being and of all life. . Amma knows how and when to moves us through the phases and Amma knows how to move us into non-duality. . . One of the most powerful statement i have ever heard came from a psychiatrist that was my supervisor a number years before meeting Amma. . . " the inability to withstand ambiquity leads to splitting " . . ..that was my first concept leading to the path of non-duality and i daily tried to imprinted it on the forebrain. . .for realized duality was the root cause of my suffering. . .but it was not until the blessing of Amma's grace's that has lead me to believe it is possible to realize non-duality in life time. . .Amma knows what is needed for her children and when it is needed. . .perhaps many of the problems you are encountering has to do with remembering that Amma is the one that is able to lead us. . . Amma has completed the journey. . .and she knows the terrain and the hearts and minds of each of her children. . . Tom for you to be big. . .you do not have to make all of us little. . .join the circle. . .that is were the power lies. . . . " Dive deeply into the miracle of life and let the tips of your wings be burnt by the flame, let your feet be lacerated by the thorns, let your heart be stirred by human emotion, and let your soul be lifted beyond the earth. " Pir Vilayat Inayat Khan Call of the Dervish Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha marci Ammachi , " tom " <tomgull wrote: > > One of my goals is that new people get a > truer experience of the Amma-phenomenom. > For SOME, I think it's better that their > *honeymoon* period is as short as possible, > to minimize damage. > > If one comes to a list like this expecting > everything sugary-sweet, then it's not > satsang they seek. Although I can see how > they'd be misled as to what *satsang* is, > if they attend Amma-satsangs. > > There's a clear difference between negativity > and true impurity. If you use only > *negativity* as your guide, then you'll > always remain in the ego, as anything > opposite your current beliefs will be > seen as a threat and will be unpleasant. > > in the spirit of violet doves, > tom > > Ammachi , M Menon avmm_99@ wrote: > > > > Om Namah Shivaya, > > I agree about the newcommers feelings. I was once a newcomer and > was totally confused if this group is really pro Ammachi group or > otherwise, but later realized the reality. It does confuse people who > join the group for their benefit of spiritual upliftment. It hurt me > and am sure there are many more like me, when we hear ill about Amma. > (snip) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 >I personally do not feel it is about asking anyone to leave the group. >. .but perhaps we can make a group decision to no longer allow the power >of the negative to dominate the space. Yes! >What i am trying to say. . .by the grace of Amma we can bring forth a >space that is safe. . . light filled. . . honoring. . . respectful. . . Yes. Beautiful. Joyous. Thank you. Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 this is what the christians call feeding someones spirit.dear beloved sister,stay on FIRE!AMMAs sun just got fed by HER very hands through reading these words.AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA...this is the VIBRATION that we can hold for this group.when others come into this ENERGY they will be swallowed by it!AMMA grace will devour them with HER compassion! this is what temba means by STANDING ON THE PRINCIPLES THAT OUR GURU EMBODY'S PERFECTLY.AMMA is smiling at you beloved marcie.temba can see HER FACE smiling right now! AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,,AMMA.....\ ................ Ammachi: Mmrivertalk: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:50:01 +0000 Re: BELOVED FAMLIY! dear Tom. . . you speak as one that is not able to maintain objectconstancy in relationship. . . perhaps you are projecting your owndynamics on other devotees. .. .and we have a different base ofconnection with Amma than yourself. . . i honor that you are walkingyour path the way that is right for you. . .and also know that Amma isdirecting it with your greatest good in mind and heart. . .but it appears from what you wrote you are not aware that manydevotess are able to move deeper than the initial stage that you callthe*honeymoon* period. . . as if you must tell the children there is noSanta Clause. . . yes the Guru/devotee relationship moves through manyphases. . .and personally have found with each phase a deeper andtruer meaning of love. . .A scared and awesome love that is not continguent on Amma's form. ..or whether one receives the direct experience from Amma. . .Sheawakens the love which is our Beingness. . . a love that transforms fromwanting to be loved by Amma. . .to a love that just wants to love. . .toa love that just loves. . . a love that is not about the expression ofemotion. . .or words. . .A love that desires only to love and to serve. . . which reveals the essence and ground of our being and of all life. . Amma knows how andwhen to moves us through the phases and Amma knows how to move us intonon-duality. . .One of the most powerful statement i have ever heard came from apsychiatrist that was my supervisor a number years before meetingAmma. . .. " the inability to withstand ambiquity leads to splitting " . ..that was my first concept leading to the path of non-duality and idaily tried to imprinted it on the forebrain. . .for realized dualitywas the root cause of my suffering. . .but it was not until theblessing of Amma's grace's that has lead me to believe it is possibleto realize non-duality in life time. . .Amma knows what is needed forher children and when it is needed. . .perhaps many of the problems youare encountering has to do with remembering that Amma is the one that isable to lead us. . . Amma has completed the journey. . .and she knowsthe terrain and the hearts and minds of each of her children. . . Tomfor you to be big. . .you do not have to make all of us little. . .jointhe circle. . .that is were the power lies. . . . " Dive deeply into the miracle of life and let the tips of your wings beburnt by the flame, let your feet be lacerated by the thorns, let yourheart be stirred by human emotion, and let your soul be lifted beyondthe earth. " Pir Vilayat Inayat Khan Call of the DervishAum Amriteswaryai Namahamarci--- In Ammachi , " tom " <tomgull wrote:>> One of my goals is that new people get a> truer experience of the Amma-phenomenom.> For SOME, I think it's better that their> *honeymoon* period is as short as possible,> to minimize damage.>> If one comes to a list like this expecting> everything sugary-sweet, then it's not> satsang they seek. Although I can see how> they'd be misled as to what *satsang* is,> if they attend Amma-satsangs.>> There's a clear difference between negativity> and true impurity. If you use only> *negativity* as your guide, then you'll> always remain in the ego, as anything> opposite your current beliefs will be> seen as a threat and will be unpleasant.>> in the spirit of violet doves,> tom>> Ammachi , M Menon avmm_99@ wrote:> >> > Om Namah Shivaya,> > I agree about the newcommers feelings. I was once a newcomer and> was totally confused if this group is really pro Ammachi group or> otherwise, but later realized the reality. It does confuse people who> join the group for their benefit of spiritual upliftment. It hurt me> and am sure there are many more like me, when we hear ill about Amma.> (snip)>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _______________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F68\ 1DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 AMMAs grace is SUPERB! Ammachi: maxdashu: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 21:06:13 -0700 Re: BELOVED FAMLIY! >I personally do not feel it is about asking anyone to leave the group.>. .but perhaps we can make a group decision to no longer allow the power>of the negative to dominate the space.Yes!>What i am trying to say. . .by the grace of Amma we can bring forth a>space that is safe. . . light filled. . . honoring. . .. respectful. . .Yes. Beautiful. Joyous. Thank you.Max _______________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 the first step to this is right in our faces.we must never compromise standing on SPIRTUAL PRINCIPLES.we must never coward when it comes to adressing things that are not aligned with AMMAs teachings.and we must as a group conscious keep our motive surrendered to the HIGHEST GOOD of ALL...AMMA,AMMA,AMMA. WE MUST NEVER SPEAK OF OUR BELOVED GURU AMMA IN ANY OTHER LANGUAGE THEN THE LANGUAGE OF THE HIGHEST AND GRATEST RESPECT WE CAN IMAGINE.. THE FLEETING PERSONALITYS OF THE GROUP MEMBER IS NEVER MORE IMPORTANT THEN THE INFINITE PRINCIPLE,FOR WITHOUT THE INFINITE PRINCIPLE(AMMA)non of us would be here. WITHOUT AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,THIS GROUP WOULD NOT BE HERE AND NEITHER WOULD ANY OF US........ Ammachi: avmm_99: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 20:22:28 -0700Re: Re: BELOVED FAMLIY! Om Namah Shivaya ! Namaste ! I think if this group is named Ammachi as Temba says, we should discuss more about Amma Principle and build up a stronger foundation based on that. Else it should probably be named something else. I think most of us here in this group know the difference between compassion/love verses materialistic/mindful/egoistic advances. If this basic difference is clear why should we go back and keep rubbing on the same topic again and again and waste our time and energy when we are supposed to conserve energy and learn better techniques to conserve energy?It would be so nice to have a such a healthy environment. Am sure we all can always benefit out of a healthy environment. What can we do to bring it back to its old shape ?Aum Amriteshwaryay Namah ! --- On Fri, 10/10/08, mm <Mmrivertalk wrote:mm <Mmrivertalk Re: BELOVED FAMLIY!To: Ammachi: Friday, October 10, 2008, 7:04 AMNamasteThanks for the history of the group for i did not know that once thespace was more healthy. .. .Can we bring it back?Aum Amriteswaryai NamahamarciAmmachi@ ..com, " visvanathan " <kasi_visvanath@ ...>wrote:>> Ammachi@ ..com, " mm " Mmrivertalk@ wrote:> >> >> > Namaste> >> > Yes, M Menon, so many of us have had the same experience when itcomes> > to the experience of the Ammachi group. . . thank you for speakingup.> > . . . We truly have a choice here-----if we join with a commonintent> > we can make this group a place that honors Amma and a place thatbrings> > Amma to this site through Her light that is within all of herchildren> > here. . . I know i allowed the toxcity to silence my participationfor> > too long. . .> >> Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!!>> Namaskarams! !>> what you are longing for dear sister is what we used to have on this> group several years ago. there was discussion and sometimes> disagreements, but not nearly so much nastiness or negative talk....>> but as time passed we seemed to attract more and more of those who> loved to make trouble, and to attempt to sow dissension among the> devotees, even trying to draw them into EX Amma groups with their> provocative (and libelous) questions... attempting instead of praising> Amma, to denigrate Her and drag Her image through the mud of their own> sewerage.>> and as a result a lot of the good devotees, the inspiring ones> departed the list in despair and disgust, unwilling to take part in> such a charged atmosphere.>> In Her Divine Love,> and in Her Service,> as ever,> your own Self,>> visvanathan>> Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _______________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F68\ 1DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Marci, what you're describing is NEW AGE. I'm the opposite and have always been the opposite of most devotees. Most devotees profess Amma but actually practice and profess New Age and/or Metaphysics. They follow the teachings MORe of OTHER guru's than Amma's. I don't profess her anymore, but DO follow her teachings and have benefited from it. That's why I DENOUNCE low-level over-hyped people like Dayamrita. There are devotees that get visceral reactions to even the suggestion that he's not holy. This is plain wrong and harmful to everyone to be so deluded. When you worship Amma's form and surface-teachings, you don't learn. You have tons of fun, yes, but you don't learn. Temba is a PERFECT example of someone STUCK in the honeymoon stage. tom Ammachi , " mm " <Mmrivertalk wrote: > > > dear Tom. . . you speak as one that is not able to maintain object > constancy in relationship. . . perhaps you are projecting your own > dynamics on other devotees. . .and we have a different base of > connection with Amma than yourself. . . i honor that you are walking > your path the way that is right for you. . .and also know that Amma is > directing it with your greatest good in mind and heart. . . > > but it appears from what you wrote you are not aware that many > devotess are able to move deeper than the initial stage that you call > the*honeymoon* period. . . as if you must tell the children there is no > Santa Clause. . . yes the Guru/devotee relationship moves through many > phases. . . (snip) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Things worked when there were less Amma-issues that came up. Things change over the years, and there's always people that like only the enjoyment part of spirituality. Anything or anyone that's an Amma-buzzkill is seen as a nasty negative egoistic person. IF Amma's actions/lack of actions and the improper actions of her devotees had improved instead of worsened over the years, there wouldn't be any conflicts here. Instead, people who can't hack it drop out, because their ice cream is melting and the water-works (tears) are coming. There's another list for Amma-Bhakti related interests for those that prefer 100% sugar in their spirituality. I will not quit as long as I have something to say here. If you want to kick me off, go right ahead, it's your choice. I'm sure there's already been plenty of requests. tom Ammachi , Mmrivertalk wrote: > > Namaste > > Could those that have been here for awhile share what made the prior group > work? Also would people be willing to share how they would like to see the > group transform? What would each person's vision and personal intent be for > this Amma group to be healthy and vital? > > One of the small things i liked about the group i visited is that each > entry had to be started with Namaste. It was a simple thing but it set a tone > and an intent. > > Aum Amrteswaryai Namaha > marci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Ammachi , " tom " <tomgull wrote: > > Marci, what you're describing is NEW AGE. *************************** Namaste dear Tom. . .i am not suggesting New Age. . .but if you want to call it New Age. . .then once again that is okay with me. . .i am saying for me the style and communication level has become toxic. . .and rather than proposing New Age i am hoping the group can transition from the Dark Age. . . > > I'm the opposite and have always been the opposite of most devotees. ************************ yes Tom, you display yourself as oppositional. . . and that too can be a path. . . i hope you can learn to honor that path. . .and continue to walk it with ever increasing intensity if that is what you need. . . am not trying to discount your path. . .Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle are two wonderful examples of ones that build up so much negativity that it concentrated enough charge from the left brain to the right brain that brought forth a profound awakening for both of them. . .i honor you path and like i said earlier. . .perhaps the way one could understand your path is to understand photography. . . some people are able to use the negative to develop. . .and you have been using the Ammachi space as a darkroom. . .I am not judging you. . .it is just there are many that do not want a dark room. . .we want to bring some light to the space. . . *********************** > Most devotees profess Amma but actually practice and profess New Age > and/or Metaphysics. They follow the teachings MORe of OTHER guru's > than Amma's. Tom, why are you so judging of other people's paths. . .there is a real fundamentalist fevor to your accusation of New Age. . .once again i can not relate to your term New Age. . .but if that is what you chose to call it. . .that is your choice. . .but it does not define that which is mine to live and walk. . . Amma says her religion is love. . . and She loves. . Amma says seek the realization of the divine Self. . .and She lives the realization and teaches a discipline that is accessible to all. . .Amma says the purpose of life is to love and serve. . . and She lives that one with every breath and heartbeat. . .Amma embraces all religions. . .all Nations. . .all races. . .all genders. . .Tom truly Amma could write volumes of spiritual writings and could fill vast libraries. . .but Amma has chosen to come down low. . . to teach and love and serve all the children of the world. . . so when you say New Age and Amma's devotees perhaps what you are seeing is just children crawling and walking and falling down and getting up trying to imitate their beloved Mother. . ..we all fall down and it is not a pretty process. . .but by Amma's grace we all get up. . .again. . .and again. . . I don't profess her anymore, ********************************* So are you trying to save us from Amma? Perhaps your " her " and my Amma are not experienced as the same. . . ..For me Amma is a big word. . .Amma is the form of our Beloved Teacher. .. .Mother. . .and Sataguru. . .Amma is Swamiji. . .Amma is Sri C.B. . ..Amma is all of her Swami's and devotees that work so hard and make it possible for Amma to embrace the world. . .Amma is Mother Nature. . ..Amma is the divine within all. . .Amma is the divine within my Self. . ..Amma is creator. . .sustainer. . .destroyer. . .that can never be confined by one form. . . . .Amma is a big word. . . Tom for years i was in a profession that labeled and classified everything into pathology. . ..to get paid i had to stick a label on them. . . the biggest hinderance in my own healing was what i did to myself with all the clinical learning. . .i cannot put Amma in my box or your box. . .i cannot put myself in your box or my box. . .and have no desire to place you in contraction and hope that some day you release you and your world from such rigid contraction. . . ************************************* but DO follow her > teachings and have benefited from it Tom i am gald there is something you can hold on to and it seems to me the bond is much deeper than you can allow yourself to feel and know these days. . . you know the sacred is what your life is about and there is great committment and dedication. . .There is a bond and connection with Amma that will hold you for all eternity whether you can know is at this time or not. . .this is some kind of phase you are working through and i do no understand the complexity of it all. . .but the one thing i do know is that the line between the scared and the profound is a thin as fishing line. . .all of the angst can be surrendered and peace is possible. . .it is your choice. . . That's why I DENOUNCE > low-level over-hyped people like Dayamrita. There are devotees that > get visceral reactions to even the suggestion that he's not holy. ******************************************** Tom when are you going to learn you are not seeing Dayamrita, you are seeing your projection of Dayamrita. . .what you are putting on him is your baby and you need to rock your own baby. . .he nor Amma is not going to rock this baby because it is your baby. . .the only thing you can change is that which you take 100% responsibility. . .sorry Tom i know this sounds preachy, but it is the only sanity i have found. . .and trust me i have railed against some big ones and all it did was dig me in deeper. . . and you know what the cowboy said. . . " if you find yourself in a deep hole--stop digging. " Have you not learned that Amma within you will continue to bring forth as many Dayamritas that is necessary until you take the sticky off of him. . . please know that is not New Age. . .that is good psychology and spiritual principle from all the religions. . .what did Jesus say?. . .how many times must i forgive my brother. . . > This is plain wrong and harmful to everyone to be so deluded. ********************************************* WRONG. . .now how is this statement not a position of duality??? do you remember that story by Swamiji. . .if you want people to think you are really intelligent have a " no " to everything. . . .but Tom when you have a " no " to every thing then it makes for one really lonely miserable life. . . . > > When you worship Amma's form and surface-teachings, you don't learn. > You have tons of fun, yes, but you don't learn. **************************************** I have come to love simplicity. . .my Native Grandfather told me one only needs to learn how to count to three. . . . One is for Thee. . .Two is for Self. . .Three is for All. . .I have told you before Tom. . .i am still learning to count to three. . .and if i can ever Master that. . ..then i believe Amma will take me into the " deeper " teaching. . .but in truth learning to count to three has been the biggest challenge of my life and it has been Amma's grace and patience that She continues to try. . . Sometimes Tom, you speak as if Amma is not enough. . .i can not relate to that. . .i have found Her " surface-teaching " and Amma to be more than i can assimulate on most any given day. . .i fail so. . .so. . .so. . . often. . .and am not as knowledgeable or overly intelligent person. . ..but i am so much happier and peaceful since finding Amma. . .and have come to love the silence and i think that Amma woud suggest that we all just meditate more. . . > > Temba is a PERFECT example of someone STUCK in the honeymoon stage. *************************************** Tom i am not going to talk to you about Temba, please re-read the Dayamrita. . .i think it is the same baby. . .you keep pushing off on them. . .and may we all be blessed to be STUCK in the honeymoon stage. . ..i do not think mine was the honeymoon stage. . .for me it was a beauty and truth that laid a foundation for all of eternity. . .a remembrance of what i had come from and what i am returning to. . .but lets say it is a honeymoon phase or a cosmic embrace by the Divine Mother. . .your contempt of it is like slapping a child or a beloved for reaching for the most profound love. . .that space is where the foundation is laid for all the other levels. . . and that is sacred ground. . .it is not yours to desecrate. . .or decide how long someone should reside there. . ..Tom that is sacred ground. . . leave the shoes and the ego at the door. .. .walk softly. . .speak softly. . .sacred ground. . .sacred ground. . ..sacred ground. . .sacred ground. . . . May you find peace may you know Amma's embrace Tom i have just spoken from how i view things from my own egoic lens and truly Amma is the one that will be there for you and will bring the expansion that is needed in these concerns. . .may it be Her will in all levels. . .with all of us. . . Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha marci > tom > Ammachi , " mm " Mmrivertalk@ wrote: > > > > > > dear Tom. . . you speak as one that is not able to maintain object > > constancy in relationship. . . perhaps you are projecting your own > > dynamics on other devotees. . .and we have a different base of > > connection with Amma than yourself. . . i honor that you are walking > > your path the way that is right for you. . .and also know that Amma is > > directing it with your greatest good in mind and heart. . . > > > > but it appears from what you wrote you are not aware that many > > devotess are able to move deeper than the initial stage that you call > > the*honeymoon* period. . . as if you must tell the children there is no > > Santa Clause. . . yes the Guru/devotee relationship moves through many > > phases. . . (snip) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Tom . . .i do not believe anyone is asking you to leave. . .we just want to turn some lights on. . .and how you chose to express yourself if your business . . .and would not want to take your self expression away from you. . .i just will not be trying to interact with the opposition and negativity any more. . . you are always welcome to join the power of the circle. . . this is a quote posted a few days ago. . .and for now i need to put my energy here. . . Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha in Amma's love marci Allowing the Diminishment of the Ego <http://essentialpath.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/allowing-the-diminishment\ \ -of-the-ego/ <http://essentialpath.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/allowing-the-diminishment\ -of-the-ego/> > Eckhart Tolle's book A New Earth, Page 214. " The ego is always on guard against any kind of perceived diminishment. " When someone blames or criticizes me, that to the ego is a diminishment of self, and it will immediately attempt to repair its diminished sense of self through self-justification, defense or blaming. " Tolle continues on with this suggestion: " A powerful spiritual practice is consciously to allow the diminishment of the ego when it happens without trying to restore it. " His suggestion is to " do nothing " when the ego begins to feel attacked. If practiced, " you realize that nothing real has been diminished, that through becoming " less, " you become more. " By becoming less, " you in fact undergo an expansion and make room for Being to come forward. " Ammachi , " tom " <tomgull wrote: > > Things worked when there were less > Amma-issues that came up. Things > change over the years, and there's > always people that like only > the enjoyment part of spirituality. > Anything or anyone that's an > Amma-buzzkill is seen as a nasty > negative egoistic person. > > IF Amma's actions/lack of actions > and the improper actions of her > devotees had improved instead of > worsened over the years, there > wouldn't be any conflicts here. > > Instead, people who can't hack it drop out, > because their ice cream is melting > and the water-works (tears) are coming. > > There's another list for Amma-Bhakti > related interests for those that > prefer 100% sugar in their spirituality. > > I will not quit as long as I have something > to say here. If you want to kick me off, > go right ahead, it's your choice. I'm sure > there's already been plenty of requests. > > tom > > Ammachi , Mmrivertalk@ wrote: > > > > Namaste > > > > Could those that have been here for awhile share what made the prior > group > > work? Also would people be willing to share how they would like to > see the > > group transform? What would each person's vision and personal > intent be for > > this Amma group to be healthy and vital? > > > > One of the small things i liked about the group i visited is that > each > > entry had to be started with Namaste. It was a simple thing but it > set a tone > > and an intent. > > > > Aum Amrteswaryai Namaha > > marci > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 I'm trying to turn the lights on too. Trying to balance gross ignorance and mistakenness with the equally opposite to stamp it out. Too many devotees, like the org, assume themselves not perfect, but never wrong, especially using the all-important *consensus* method of measuring truth (which Amma has never taught). As I've said before, that this group here is overly positive to the point of being " untrue " , just as Ex-Amma is overly negative to the point of being untrue. But this is a satsang list, not a devotion list, so people shouldn't expect pure sweetness. And your Tolle quote, is yes, uh, New Age. As long as people go with feelings, you never think oneself to be in error, unless it *feels* that way. tom ps, props to Linda for getting me kicked off the Shree Maa list, yes I do have a memory. Ammachi , " mm " <Mmrivertalk wrote: > Tom . . .i do not believe anyone is asking you to leave. . .we just want > to turn some lights on. . .and how you chose to express yourself if your > business . . .and would not want to take your self expression away from > you. . .i just will not be trying to interact with the opposition and > negativity any more. . . you are always welcome to join the power of the > circle. . . > > this is a quote posted a few days ago. . .and for now i need to put my > energy here. . . > > Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha > > in Amma's love > > marci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 dear beloved,dont play this game with our beloved brother.so what if it new-age.new age,old age,who cares where love and service is concerned.the monkey mind only plays this game.detach from the game and just watch the play.the monkey mind seeks another monkey mind to swing on the vine with it.dont take the bananas anymore.that is the bate!AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA is..............not the monkey mind,or is SHE? Ammachi: Mmrivertalk: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:10:12 +0000 Re: BELOVED FAMLIY! Ammachi , " tom " <tomgull wrote:>> Marci, what you're describing is NEW AGE.***************************Namastedear Tom. . .i am not suggesting New Age. . .but if you want to call itNew Age. . .then once again that is okay with me. . .i am saying for methe style and communication level has become toxic. . .and rather thanproposing New Age i am hoping the group can transition from the DarkAge. . .>> I'm the opposite and have always been the opposite of most devotees.************************yes Tom, you display yourself as oppositional. . . and that too can bea path. . . i hope you can learn to honor that path. . .and continue towalk it with ever increasing intensity if that is what you need. . . amnot trying to discount your path. . .Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle aretwo wonderful examples of ones that build up so much negativity that itconcentrated enough charge from the left brain to the right brain thatbrought forth a profound awakening for both of them. . .i honor you pathand like i said earlier. . .perhaps the way one could understand yourpath is to understand photography. . . some people are able to use thenegative to develop. . .and you have been using the Ammachi space as adarkroom. . .I am not judging you. . .it is just there are many that donot want a dark room. . .we want to bring some light to the space. . .***********************> Most devotees profess Amma but actually practice and profess New Age> and/or Metaphysics. They follow the teachings MORe of OTHER guru's> than Amma's.Tom, why are you so judging of other people's paths. . .there is a realfundamentalist fevor to your accusation of New Age. . .once again i cannot relate to your term New Age. . ..but if that is what you chose tocall it. . .that is your choice. . .but it does not define that which ismine to live and walk. . .Amma says her religion is love. . . and She loves. . Amma says seek therealization of the divine Self. . ..and She lives the realization andteaches a discipline that is accessible to all. . .Amma says thepurpose of life is to love and serve. . . and She lives that one withevery breath and heartbeat. . .Amma embraces all religions. . ..allNations. . .all races. . .all genders. . .Tom truly Amma could writevolumes of spiritual writings and could fill vast libraries. . .but Ammahas chosen to come down low. . . to teach and love and serve all thechildren of the world. . . so when you say New Age and Amma's devoteesperhaps what you are seeing is just children crawling and walking andfalling down and getting up trying to imitate their beloved Mother. ..we all fall down and it is not a pretty process. . .but by Amma's gracewe all get up. . .again. . .and again. . .I don't profess her anymore,*********************************So are you trying to save us from Amma?Perhaps your " her " and my Amma are not experienced as the same. . ..For me Amma is a big word. . .Amma is the form of our Beloved Teacher.. .Mother. . .and Sataguru. . .Amma is Swamiji. . .Amma is Sri C.B. ..Amma is all of her Swami's and devotees that work so hard and make itpossible for Amma to embrace the world. . .Amma is Mother Nature. ..Amma is the divine within all. . .Amma is the divine within my Self. ..Amma is creator. . .sustainer. . .destroyer. . .that can never beconfined by one form. . . . .Amma is a big word. . .Tom for years i was in a profession that labeled and classifiedeverything into pathology. . ..to get paid i had to stick a label onthem. . . the biggest hinderance in my own healing was what i did tomyself with all the clinical learning. . .i cannot put Amma in my box oryour box. . .i cannot put myself in your box or my box. . .and have nodesire to place you in contraction and hope that some day you releaseyou and your world from such rigid contraction. . ..*************************************but DO follow her> teachings and have benefited from itTom i am gald there is something you can hold on to and it seems to me the bond is much deeper than you can allow yourself to feel and knowthese days. . . you know the sacred is what your life is about andthere is great committment and dedication. . .There is a bond andconnection with Amma that will hold you for all eternity whether you canknow is at this time or not. .. .this is some kind of phase you areworking through and i do no understand the complexity of it all. . .butthe one thing i do know is that the line between the scared and theprofound is a thin as fishing line. . .all of the angst can besurrendered and peace is possible. . .it is your choice. . .That's why I DENOUNCE> low-level over-hyped people like Dayamrita. There are devotees that> get visceral reactions to even the suggestion that he's not holy.********************************************Tom when are you going to learn you are not seeing Dayamrita, you areseeing your projection of Dayamrita. . ..what you are putting on him isyour baby and you need to rock your own baby. . ..he nor Amma is notgoing to rock this baby because it is your baby. . .the only thing youcan change is that which you take 100% responsibility. . .sorry Tom iknow this sounds preachy, but it is the only sanity i have found. . .andtrust me i have railed against some big ones and all it did was dig mein deeper. . . and you know what the cowboy said. . . " if you findyourself in a deep hole--stop digging. " Have you not learned that Ammawithin you will continue to bring forth as many Dayamritas that isnecessary until you take the sticky off of him. . . please know that isnot New Age. . .that is good psychology and spiritual principle from allthe religions. . .what did Jesus say?. . .how many times must i forgivemy brother. . .> This is plain wrong and harmful to everyone to be so deluded.*********************************************WRONG. . .now how is this statement not a position of duality???do you remember that story by Swamiji. . ..if you want people to thinkyou are really intelligent have a " no " to everything. . . .but Tom whenyou have a " no " to every thing then it makes for one really lonelymiserable life. . . .>> When you worship Amma's form and surface-teachings, you don't learn.> You have tons of fun, yes, but you don't learn.****************************************I have come to love simplicity. . ..my Native Grandfather told me oneonly needs to learn how to count to three. . . .. One is for Thee. . .Twois for Self. . .Three is for All. . .I have told you before Tom. . .i amstill learning to count to three. . .and if i can ever Master that. ..then i believe Amma will take me into the " deeper " teaching. . .but intruth learning to count to three has been the biggest challenge of mylife and it has been Amma's grace and patience that She continues totry. . .Sometimes Tom, you speak as if Amma is not enough. . .i can not relateto that. . .i have found Her " surface-teaching " and Amma to be more thani can assimulate on most any given day. . .i fail so. . .so. . .so. . .often. . .and am not as knowledgeable or overly intelligent person. ..but i am so much happier and peaceful since finding Amma. . .and havecome to love the silence and i think that Amma woud suggest that we alljust meditate more. . .>> Temba is a PERFECT example of someone STUCK in the honeymoon stage.***************************************Tom i am not going to talk to you about Temba, please re-read theDayamrita. . .i think it is the same baby. . .you keep pushing off onthem. . .and may we all be blessed to be STUCK in the honeymoon stage. ..i do not think mine was the honeymoon stage. . .for me it was a beautyand truth that laid a foundation for all of eternity. . .a remembranceof what i had come from and what i am returning to. . .but lets say itis a honeymoon phase or a cosmic embrace by the Divine Mother. . .yourcontempt of it is like slapping a child or a beloved for reaching forthe most profound love. . ..that space is where the foundation is laidfor all the other levels. . . and that is sacred ground. . .it is notyours to desecrate. . .or decide how long someone should reside there. ..Tom that is sacred ground. . . leave the shoes and the ego at the door.. .walk softly. . .speak softly. . .sacred ground. . ..sacred ground. ..sacred ground. . .sacred ground. . . .May you find peace may you know Amma's embraceTom i have just spoken from how i view things from my own egoic lens andtruly Amma is the one that will be there for you and will bring theexpansion that is needed in these concerns. . .may it be Her will in alllevels. . .with all of us. . .Aum Amriteswaryai Namahamarci> tom> --- In Ammachi , " mm " Mmrivertalk@ wrote:> >> >> > dear Tom. . . you speak as one that is not able to maintain object> > constancy in relationship. . .. perhaps you are projecting your own> > dynamics on other devotees. . .and we have a different base of> > connection with Amma than yourself. . . i honor that you are walking> > your path the way that is right for you. . .and also know that Ammais> > directing it with your greatest good in mind and heart. . .> >> > but it appears from what you wrote you are not aware that many> > devotess are able to move deeper than the initial stage that youcall> > the*honeymoon* period. . . as if you must tell the children there isno> > Santa Clause. . . yes the Guru/devotee relationship moves throughmany> > phases. . . 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