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please read this e-mail carefully.tom is out right disrespecting AMMA.it is not

that SHE can actually be disrespected for he does not have that power,but if you

all can find ANY forum in which Christians allow people to say things

like, " JESUS used peter so that he could benifit " ,which is what tom said about

what AMMA is doing with me..tom said on this mail below that AMMA and the org.i

using me for a poster child.i am not offended in the least bit,but this is not

right and it can be stoped!this disrespect towards AMMA,has to stop!there is no

ill feelings towards tom.it could be anyone.enough is enough!

 

on another mail tom said that AMMAs karma would run out!you all are okay with

that type of word usage on a AMMA forum?this free speech thing has gone to far!

 

 

 

Ammachi: tomgull: Sun, 5 Oct 2008

14:32:46 +0000 Re: AMMAs Lakota children/fundraising

 

 

 

 

Awareness and discrimination, among other things.Like seeing the tumor of

cancer, but not understandingthe systemic affect that's already killing the

body.The ignorant will only cure the wound (gross form)and not the real problem,

or other more serious problems.That's why even talking to someone like Temba or

Dayamrita,won't help me, because they'd be lucky to understand even 10%of the

problems or suffering. Intellectual ability is notthe same as *capacity* and

therefore, even someone witha good intellect will arrive at the incorrect

conclusion,without enough intellectual capacity (ie, awareness).Temba's

endeavors are given extra attention from " the org " and Amma because he's the

perfect poster-child story thatthe org/Amma can benefit from. For example, for

movies,the US military will only cooperate with and even give extra assistance

to movies that put them in a good light.As I've stated numerous times, to the

doubt of New Agers(ie, psuedo-neo-psychology), there's a huge differencebetween

preventable (or even self-caused) suffering,and preventable suffering.tom--- In

Ammachi , Max Dashu <maxdashu wrote:>> >If it ALL-WAYS works

out, then how about doing some praying for me,> > " brother " ? Seriously.> > I bet

he will. But, what makes you so sure that you have had a harder > path than

Temba? Or the people he is working to help?

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Temba,

 

I know these negative comments have been upsetting and clearly meant

to provoke you. But Amma doesn't need anyone to defend her honor, as

you know, and your service speaks for itself.

 

It may not be possible to change the heart of a person who believes

in his own superiority and spends so much time comparing who is

advanced and who is not. Especially if he enjoys the attention.

Better not to feed it. Let him say what he likes -- that only proves

the saying, Aversion is attraction to pain.

 

If the light is there it will be known.

 

Thanks Amarnath for the quotes.

 

Max

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Ammachi , Max Dashu <maxdashu wrote:

>

> Dear Temba,

>

> I know these negative comments have been upsetting and clearly meant

> to provoke you. But Amma doesn't need anyone to defend her honor, as

> you know, and your service speaks for itself.

>

Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!

 

Namaskarams!

 

that may be true, but still the heart of a devotees rushes in to

defend the honour of his/her Guru...and sometimes it seems important

to do so on this or the other list, for the sake of the newer

devotees, who may be distracted by all these negative statements....

 

so Mother doesn't need, but often WE need...

 

in Her Love,

 

visvanathan

 

Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!

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thankyou for stepping to the plate and making this statement.someone is looking

at the BIGGER picture.

 

Ammachi: kasi_visvanath: Thu, 9 Oct 2008

01:26:24 +0000 Re: BELOVED FAMLIY!

 

 

 

 

Ammachi , Max Dashu <maxdashu wrote:>> Dear Temba,> >

I know these negative comments have been upsetting and clearly meant > to

provoke you. But Amma doesn't need anyone to defend her honor, as > you know,

and your service speaks for itself.> Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!Namaskarams!that may

be true, but still the heart of a devotees rushes in todefend the honour of

his/her Guru...and sometimes it seems importantto do so on this or the other

list, for the sake of the newerdevotees, who may be distracted by all these

negative statements....so Mother doesn't need, but often WE need...in Her

Love,visvanathanOm Amrtesvaryai Namah!

 

 

 

 

 

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Om Namah Shivaya,

I agree about the  newcommers feelings. I was once a newcomer and was totally

confused if this group is really pro Ammachi group or otherwise, but later

realized the reality. It does confuse people who join the group for their

benefit of spiritual upliftment.  It hurt me and am sure there are many more

like me, when we hear ill about Amma. As Vishvanathan correctly said, I too

understand that Amma doesnt need anything, its we who need it. So  I sought

 Amma's help in different forms to transcend this ill feeling. Now it doesnt

bother me as much and I do pray whole heartly to Amma for all people whether

they know me or not, like me or hate me,  to equally be able to see the

positiveness in any situation that we face and be able to respond rather than

react.

Thanks Amarnath for the wonderful dadabhagavan website. Am sure if we really

follow the points mentioned there, it will do us great good, like, one point is

" Fault is of the sufferer " .

I never heard that before. So good to know.

 

Let all our hearts be open so Amma's grace can enter & benefit us.

Aum Amriteshwaryay Namah !

 

--- On Thu, 10/9/08, visvanathan <kasi_visvanath wrote:

 

visvanathan <kasi_visvanath

Re: BELOVED FAMLIY!

Ammachi

Thursday, October 9, 2008, 6:26 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ammachi@ .com, Max Dashu <maxdashu@.. .> wrote:

>

> Dear Temba,

>

> I know these negative comments have been upsetting and clearly meant

> to provoke you. But Amma doesn't need anyone to defend her honor, as

> you know, and your service speaks for itself.

>

Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!

 

Namaskarams!

 

that may be true, but still the heart of a devotees rushes in to

defend the honour of his/her Guru...and sometimes it seems important

to do so on this or the other list, for the sake of the newer

devotees, who may be distracted by all these negative statements.. ..

 

so Mother doesn't need, but often WE need...

 

in Her Love,

 

visvanathan

 

Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Namaste

 

Yes, M Menon, so many of us have had the same experience when it comes

to the experience of the Ammachi group. . . thank you for speaking up.

.. . . We truly have a choice here-----if we join with a common intent

we can make this group a place that honors Amma and a place that brings

Amma to this site through Her light that is within all of her children

here. . . I know i allowed the toxcity to silence my participation for

too long. . .

 

Last summer after being frustrated with the Amma groups. . . went

looking for another group to participate in. . . found a group and

joined it before realizing it was another Divine Mother's bhakti group.

.. .that little group was awesome. . .the members were respectful. . .

loving. . .and displayed their dedication to awakening with clarity of

heart and committment to discipline. . . There was respect, loving

confrontation, honesty, and appropriate boundaries. . . .and the

guidelines where reinforced. . .if members did not adhere to the group

guidelines they were asked to leave the group. . . alas. . . i had to

leave the group. . .was told it was a closed group and if i wanted to

be in the group would have to leave Amma as a devotee and follow that

Divine Mother and follow the discipline as set forth by that Guru. . . I

left the group with honor and respect. . .because like every child know

who my Mother is. . . . share this because i know it is possible to

create a healthy group that is honoring and respectful to the members

and Amma. . .

 

I personally do not feel it is about asking anyone to leave the group. .

.. .but perhaps we can make a group decision to no longer allow the power

of the negative to dominate the space. . . in the last couple of months

i am starting to see how much light there is within the members. .

..there is Max-- have spent time on her website, and there is a wealth of

information about the Goddess and the suppressed histories--her voice is

powerful and clear. . . .there is Robyn Ammapoet sharing her beautiful

devotional poetry. . . there is Temba and his heart for Amma and

service. . .and Amarnath that came in and started sharing powerful Amma

quotes--it was Amarnath's example that helped me see there was a way to

particpate even in the midst of the negativity. . .recently took a look

at Fe's photography and it is very interesting and she does have a gift

with the lens. . .recently there appeared " labd " and though she is new

to the group she beautifully displayed Amma's energy of

defenselessness. . .and there is Visvanathan with his love for Amma and

sometimes he says something that i might be thinking but would not say.

.. .and there is Ravi Chivukula with a counter-balance displaying

encouragement and information for a member wanting to visit Amma in

India. . .when he and Manoj expressed their goodness it was the breath

of Amma. . .there is Pranada that brings forth the prayers list each

week in quite gentle loving service to Amma and Her children. . . just

last week there was Nand he said he was new. . .he was barked at. .

..hope he comes back. . . we have members that are in midst of physical

challenges and medical procedures that we could lend care and

compassion. . . we are moving into a period where our Nation is going

through great challenges and it would be nice to come to a Amma group

site that is gentle and supportive. . . and on and on. . .and many more.

.. .

 

What i am trying to say. . .by the grace of Amma we can bring forth a

space that is safe. . . light filled. . . honoring. . . respectful. . .

We do not need to get rid of the darkness. . .but continue to bring the

light. . .in whatever way each member desires. . . .to express the

goodness. . .and inexpressible grace that we know as AMMA. . . .

 

No revolution. . .just an ongoing evolution of Amma's divine love and

goodness. . . . .this is my prayer . . .

 

Aum Amrteswaryai Namaha

 

marci

 

 

Ammachi , M Menon <avmm_99 wrote:

>

> Om Namah Shivaya,

> I agree about the newcommers feelings. I was once a newcomer and was

totally confused if this group is really pro Ammachi group or otherwise,

but later realized the reality. It does confuse people who join the

group for their benefit of spiritual upliftment. It hurt me and am sure

there are many more like me, when we hear ill about Amma. As

Vishvanathan correctly said, I too understand that Amma doesnt need

anything, its we who need it. So I sought Amma's help in different

forms to transcend this ill feeling. Now it doesnt bother me as much and

I do pray whole heartly to Amma for all people whether they know me or

not, like me or hate me, to equally be able to see the positiveness in

any situation that we face and be able to respond rather than react.

> Thanks Amarnath for the wonderful dadabhagavan website. Am sure if we

really follow the points mentioned there, it will do us great good,

like, one point is " Fault is of the sufferer " .

> I never heard that before. So good to know.

>

> Let all our hearts be open so Amma's grace can enter & benefit us.

> Aum Amriteshwaryay Namah !

>

> --- On Thu, 10/9/08, visvanathan kasi_visvanath wrote:

>

> visvanathan kasi_visvanath

> Re: BELOVED FAMLIY!

> Ammachi

> Thursday, October 9, 2008, 6:26 AM

Ammachi@ .com, Max Dashu maxdashu@ .> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Temba,

> >

> > I know these negative comments have been upsetting and clearly meant

> > to provoke you. But Amma doesn't need anyone to defend her honor, as

> > you know, and your service speaks for itself.

> >

> Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!

>

> Namaskarams!

>

> that may be true, but still the heart of a devotees rushes in to

> defend the honour of his/her Guru...and sometimes it seems important

> to do so on this or the other list, for the sake of the newer

> devotees, who may be distracted by all these negative statements.. ..

>

> so Mother doesn't need, but often WE need...

>

> in Her Love,

>

> visvanathan

>

> Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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when we dont hear, or see someone, it is easy to forget about them,but the

SUPREME PRINCIPLE never does.if we uphold THAT and courageously stand for

THAT,no one will ever be forgotten.if we uphold the PRINCIPLES that AMMA

embody's ,then we are always remembering the new person on the path, as well as

the suffering world.

AMMA is known as the MOTHER of COMPASSION,but the more intimate you become

with HER,SHE reveals HERSELF as the FATHER of discipline as well.this SHE/HE

does through our life's situations.THE MOTHER AND FATHER both have their own

ways of expressing their love.saying thankyou to HER for it all is to grow and

expand in the HEART.

 

we will all fade!all of us will come and go!we will leave in and out of

each others lives,but the PRINCIPLE will remain.this group is fleeting.this

world is fleeting.i am fleeting.BUT the PRINCIPLE is not.it will stand the test

of time and those that know will STAND WITH IT!hold on to the principle and not

the personality.the PRINCIPLE brings bliss.the personality is temporary and will

bring suffering.when the MAHATMA comes to the earth,the ones that embraces the

principles live in the oneness and the wholeness .the ones that get stuck on the

personality of the MAHATAMAs,get attached and think that everyone around them

must worship that personality as well.we do this with each other.

 

some will say good about temba,some will say bad,but the PRINCIPLE remains in

the center.this is what remaining balanced and calm is about.when we live in the

love of the PRINCIPLE within us,when the personalitys outside of us shifts,the

PRINCIPLE within remains the same.

 

 

AMMA even says that those that get attached to HER body without knowing the

PRINCIPLE behind ,it will suffer!so what is it that we LOVE about AMMA? it is

true that HER form is grand,but is it not THE LOVE that emanates from HER that

has truly has attracted us all here?AMMAs smile is beautiful,but that which is

behind that smile is PURE CONSCIUOSNESS AND BLISS..that is what we stand

with,for and in.that is what we seek within ourselves.that is the eternal glue

that will sustain this group if we couragously always uphold the ETERNAL SUPREME

PRINCIPLE and not the FLEETING personality's of anyone in this group,including

me

..AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA...............\

...

 

 

 

 

Ammachi: Mmrivertalk: Thu, 9 Oct 2008

22:10:40 +0000 Re: BELOVED FAMLIY!

 

 

 

 

NamasteYes, M Menon, so many of us have had the same experience when it comesto

the experience of the Ammachi group. . . thank you for speaking up.. . . We

truly have a choice here-----if we join with a common intentwe can make this

group a place that honors Amma and a place that bringsAmma to this site through

Her light that is within all of her childrenhere. . . I know i allowed the

toxcity to silence my participation fortoo long. . .Last summer after being

frustrated with the Amma groups. . . wentlooking for another group to

participate in. . . found a group andjoined it before realizing it was another

Divine Mother's bhakti group.. .that little group was awesome. . .the members

were respectful. . .loving. . .and displayed their dedication to awakening with

clarity ofheart and committment to discipline. . . There was respect,

lovingconfrontation, honesty, and appropriate boundaries. . . .and theguidelines

where reinforced. . .if members did not adhere to the groupguidelines they were

asked to leave the group. . . alas. . . i had toleave the group. . .was told it

was a closed group and if i wanted tobe in the group would have to leave Amma as

a devotee and follow thatDivine Mother and follow the discipline as set forth by

that Guru. . . Ileft the group with honor and respect. . .because like every

child knowwho my Mother is. . . . share this because i know it is possible

tocreate a healthy group that is honoring and respectful to the membersand Amma.

.. .I personally do not feel it is about asking anyone to leave the group. ..

..but perhaps we can make a group decision to no longer allow the powerof the

negative to dominate the space. . . in the last couple of monthsi am starting to

see how much light there is within the members. ..there is Max-- have spent time

on her website, and there is a wealth ofinformation about the Goddess and the

suppressed histories--her voice ispowerful and clear. . . .there is Robyn

Ammapoet sharing her beautifuldevotional poetry. . . there is Temba and his

heart for Amma andservice. . .and Amarnath that came in and started sharing

powerful Ammaquotes--it was Amarnath's example that helped me see there was a

way toparticpate even in the midst of the negativity. . .recently took a lookat

Fe's photography and it is very interesting and she does have a giftwith the

lens. . .recently there appeared " labd " and though she is newto the group she

beautifully displayed Amma's energy ofdefenselessness. . .and there is

Visvanathan with his love for Amma andsometimes he says something that i might

be thinking but would not say.. .and there is Ravi Chivukula with a

counter-balance displayingencouragement and information for a member wanting to

visit Amma inIndia. . .when he and Manoj expressed their goodness it was the

breathof Amma. . .there is Pranada that brings forth the prayers list eachweek

in quite gentle loving service to Amma and Her children. . . justlast week there

was Nand he said he was new. . .he was barked at. ..hope he comes back. . . we

have members that are in midst of physicalchallenges and medical procedures that

we could lend care andcompassion. . . we are moving into a period where our

Nation is goingthrough great challenges and it would be nice to come to a Amma

groupsite that is gentle and supportive. . . and on and on. . .and many more..

..What i am trying to say. . .by the grace of Amma we can bring forth aspace that

is safe. . . light filled. . . honoring. . . respectful. . .We do not need to

get rid of the darkness. . .but continue to bring thelight. . .in whatever way

each member desires. . . .to express thegoodness. . .and inexpressible grace

that we know as AMMA. . . .No revolution. . .just an ongoing evolution of Amma's

divine love andgoodness. . . . .this is my prayer . . .Aum Amrteswaryai

NamahamarciAmmachi , M Menon <avmm_99 wrote:>> Om

Namah Shivaya,> I agree about the newcommers feelings. I was once a newcomer and

wastotally confused if this group is really pro Ammachi group or otherwise,but

later realized the reality. It does confuse people who join thegroup for their

benefit of spiritual upliftment. It hurt me and am surethere are many more like

me, when we hear ill about Amma. AsVishvanathan correctly said, I too understand

that Amma doesnt needanything, its we who need it. So I sought Amma's help in

differentforms to transcend this ill feeling. Now it doesnt bother me as much

andI do pray whole heartly to Amma for all people whether they know me ornot,

like me or hate me, to equally be able to see the positiveness inany situation

that we face and be able to respond rather than react.> Thanks Amarnath for the

wonderful dadabhagavan website. Am sure if wereally follow the points mentioned

there, it will do us great good,like, one point is " Fault is of the sufferer " .>

I never heard that before. So good to know.>> Let all our hearts be open so

Amma's grace can enter & benefit us.> Aum Amriteshwaryay Namah !>> --- On Thu,

10/9/08, visvanathan kasi_visvanath wrote:>> visvanathan

kasi_visvanath Re: BELOVED FAMLIY!> To:

Ammachi > Thursday, October 9, 2008, 6:26 AM>>>>>>> --- In

Ammachi@ .com, Max Dashu maxdashu@ .> wrote:> >> > Dear Temba,> >> >

I know these negative comments have been upsetting and clearly meant> > to

provoke you. But Amma doesn't need anyone to defend her honor, as> > you know,

and your service speaks for itself.> >> Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!>> Namaskarams!>>

that may be true, but still the heart of a devotees rushes in to> defend the

honour of his/her Guru...and sometimes it seems important> to do so on this or

the other list, for the sake of the newer> devotees, who may be distracted by

all these negative statements.. ..>> so Mother doesn't need, but often WE

need...>> in Her Love,>> visvanathan>> Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

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Namaste

 

Could those that have been here for awhile share what made the prior group

work? Also would people be willing to share how they would like to see the

group transform? What would each person's vision and personal intent be for

this Amma group to be healthy and vital?

 

One of the small things i liked about the group i visited is that each

entry had to be started with Namaste. It was a simple thing but it set a tone

and an intent.

 

Aum Amrteswaryai Namaha

marci

 

 

 

 

 

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Well said marci. But if I may correct you - I may be a wimp but I'm no woman

:)). I'm

male. Not that anyone here cares but just wanted to clarify. And thanks for

the Seattle

reference.

 

Labd

 

 

 

Ammachi , " mm " <Mmrivertalk wrote:

>

>

> Namaste

>

> Yes, M Menon, so many of us have had the same experience when it comes

> to the experience of the Ammachi group. . . thank you for speaking up.

> . . . We truly have a choice here-----if we join with a common intent

> we can make this group a place that honors Amma and a place that brings

> Amma to this site through Her light that is within all of her children

> here. . . I know i allowed the toxcity to silence my participation for

> too long. . .

>

> Last summer after being frustrated with the Amma groups. . . went

> looking for another group to participate in. . . found a group and

> joined it before realizing it was another Divine Mother's bhakti group.

> . .that little group was awesome. . .the members were respectful. . .

> loving. . .and displayed their dedication to awakening with clarity of

> heart and committment to discipline. . . There was respect, loving

> confrontation, honesty, and appropriate boundaries. . . .and the

> guidelines where reinforced. . .if members did not adhere to the group

> guidelines they were asked to leave the group. . . alas. . . i had to

> leave the group. . .was told it was a closed group and if i wanted to

> be in the group would have to leave Amma as a devotee and follow that

> Divine Mother and follow the discipline as set forth by that Guru. . . I

> left the group with honor and respect. . .because like every child know

> who my Mother is. . . . share this because i know it is possible to

> create a healthy group that is honoring and respectful to the members

> and Amma. . .

>

> I personally do not feel it is about asking anyone to leave the group. .

> . .but perhaps we can make a group decision to no longer allow the power

> of the negative to dominate the space. . . in the last couple of months

> i am starting to see how much light there is within the members. .

> .there is Max-- have spent time on her website, and there is a wealth of

> information about the Goddess and the suppressed histories--her voice is

> powerful and clear. . . .there is Robyn Ammapoet sharing her beautiful

> devotional poetry. . . there is Temba and his heart for Amma and

> service. . .and Amarnath that came in and started sharing powerful Amma

> quotes--it was Amarnath's example that helped me see there was a way to

> particpate even in the midst of the negativity. . .recently took a look

> at Fe's photography and it is very interesting and she does have a gift

> with the lens. . .recently there appeared " labd " and though she is new

> to the group she beautifully displayed Amma's energy of

> defenselessness. . .and there is Visvanathan with his love for Amma and

> sometimes he says something that i might be thinking but would not say.

> . .and there is Ravi Chivukula with a counter-balance displaying

> encouragement and information for a member wanting to visit Amma in

> India. . .when he and Manoj expressed their goodness it was the breath

> of Amma. . .there is Pranada that brings forth the prayers list each

> week in quite gentle loving service to Amma and Her children. . . just

> last week there was Nand he said he was new. . .he was barked at. .

> .hope he comes back. . . we have members that are in midst of physical

> challenges and medical procedures that we could lend care and

> compassion. . . we are moving into a period where our Nation is going

> through great challenges and it would be nice to come to a Amma group

> site that is gentle and supportive. . . and on and on. . .and many more.

> . .

>

> What i am trying to say. . .by the grace of Amma we can bring forth a

> space that is safe. . . light filled. . . honoring. . . respectful. . .

> We do not need to get rid of the darkness. . .but continue to bring the

> light. . .in whatever way each member desires. . . .to express the

> goodness. . .and inexpressible grace that we know as AMMA. . . .

>

> No revolution. . .just an ongoing evolution of Amma's divine love and

> goodness. . . . .this is my prayer . . .

>

> Aum Amrteswaryai Namaha

>

> marci

>

>

> Ammachi , M Menon <avmm_99@> wrote:

> >

> > Om Namah Shivaya,

> > I agree about the newcommers feelings. I was once a newcomer and was

> totally confused if this group is really pro Ammachi group or otherwise,

> but later realized the reality. It does confuse people who join the

> group for their benefit of spiritual upliftment. It hurt me and am sure

> there are many more like me, when we hear ill about Amma. As

> Vishvanathan correctly said, I too understand that Amma doesnt need

> anything, its we who need it. So I sought Amma's help in different

> forms to transcend this ill feeling. Now it doesnt bother me as much and

> I do pray whole heartly to Amma for all people whether they know me or

> not, like me or hate me, to equally be able to see the positiveness in

> any situation that we face and be able to respond rather than react.

> > Thanks Amarnath for the wonderful dadabhagavan website. Am sure if we

> really follow the points mentioned there, it will do us great good,

> like, one point is " Fault is of the sufferer " .

> > I never heard that before. So good to know.

> >

> > Let all our hearts be open so Amma's grace can enter & benefit us.

> > Aum Amriteshwaryay Namah !

> >

> > --- On Thu, 10/9/08, visvanathan kasi_visvanath@ wrote:

> >

> > visvanathan kasi_visvanath@

> > Re: BELOVED FAMLIY!

> > Ammachi

> > Thursday, October 9, 2008, 6:26 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Ammachi@ .com, Max Dashu maxdashu@ .> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Temba,

> > >

> > > I know these negative comments have been upsetting and clearly meant

> > > to provoke you. But Amma doesn't need anyone to defend her honor, as

> > > you know, and your service speaks for itself.

> > >

> > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!

> >

> > Namaskarams!

> >

> > that may be true, but still the heart of a devotees rushes in to

> > defend the honour of his/her Guru...and sometimes it seems important

> > to do so on this or the other list, for the sake of the newer

> > devotees, who may be distracted by all these negative statements.. ..

> >

> > so Mother doesn't need, but often WE need...

> >

> > in Her Love,

> >

> > visvanathan

> >

> > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Ammachi , " mm " <Mmrivertalk wrote:

>

>

> Namaste

>

> Yes, M Menon, so many of us have had the same experience when it comes

> to the experience of the Ammachi group. . . thank you for speaking up.

> . . . We truly have a choice here-----if we join with a common intent

> we can make this group a place that honors Amma and a place that brings

> Amma to this site through Her light that is within all of her children

> here. . . I know i allowed the toxcity to silence my participation for

> too long. . .

>

Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!!

 

Namaskarams!!

 

what you are longing for dear sister is what we used to have on this

group several years ago. there was discussion and sometimes

disagreements, but not nearly so much nastiness or negative talk....

 

but as time passed we seemed to attract more and more of those who

loved to make trouble, and to attempt to sow dissension among the

devotees, even trying to draw them into EX Amma groups with their

provocative (and libelous) questions...attempting instead of praising

Amma, to denigrate Her and drag Her image through the mud of their own

sewerage.

 

and as a result a lot of the good devotees, the inspiring ones

departed the list in despair and disgust, unwilling to take part in

such a charged atmosphere.

 

In Her Divine Love,

and in Her Service,

as ever,

your own Self,

 

visvanathan

 

Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!

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One of my goals is that new people get a

truer experience of the Amma-phenomenom.

For SOME, I think it's better that their

*honeymoon* period is as short as possible,

to minimize damage.

 

If one comes to a list like this expecting

everything sugary-sweet, then it's not

satsang they seek. Although I can see how

they'd be misled as to what *satsang* is,

if they attend Amma-satsangs.

 

There's a clear difference between negativity

and true impurity. If you use only

*negativity* as your guide, then you'll

always remain in the ego, as anything

opposite your current beliefs will be

seen as a threat and will be unpleasant.

 

in the spirit of violet doves,

tom

 

Ammachi , M Menon <avmm_99 wrote:

>

> Om Namah Shivaya,

> I agree about the  newcommers feelings. I was once a newcomer and

was totally confused if this group is really pro Ammachi group or

otherwise, but later realized the reality. It does confuse people who

join the group for their benefit of spiritual upliftment.  It hurt me

and am sure there are many more like me, when we hear ill about Amma.

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Namaste

 

dear Labd. . . .sooooooo sorry. . . .you are right. . .it was the word

" wimp " and i went sterotypical. . . . mercy. . . i was glad you asked

the question about the Amrtipuri area. . . i have had the same question

.. . .

 

Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha

 

marci

 

 

Ammachi , " labd2929 " <labd2929 wrote:

>

> Well said marci. But if I may correct you - I may be a wimp but I'm no

woman :)). I'm

> male. Not that anyone here cares but just wanted to clarify. And

thanks for the Seattle

> reference.

>

> Labd

>

>

>

> Ammachi , " mm " Mmrivertalk@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Namaste

> >

> > Yes, M Menon, so many of us have had the same experience when it

comes

> > to the experience of the Ammachi group. . . thank you for speaking

up.

> > . . . We truly have a choice here-----if we join with a common

intent

> > we can make this group a place that honors Amma and a place that

brings

> > Amma to this site through Her light that is within all of her

children

> > here. . . I know i allowed the toxcity to silence my participation

for

> > too long. . .

> >

> > Last summer after being frustrated with the Amma groups. . . went

> > looking for another group to participate in. . . found a group and

> > joined it before realizing it was another Divine Mother's bhakti

group.

> > . .that little group was awesome. . .the members were respectful. .

..

> > loving. . .and displayed their dedication to awakening with clarity

of

> > heart and committment to discipline. . . There was respect, loving

> > confrontation, honesty, and appropriate boundaries. . . .and the

> > guidelines where reinforced. . .if members did not adhere to the

group

> > guidelines they were asked to leave the group. . . alas. . . i had

to

> > leave the group. . .was told it was a closed group and if i wanted

to

> > be in the group would have to leave Amma as a devotee and follow

that

> > Divine Mother and follow the discipline as set forth by that Guru. .

.. I

> > left the group with honor and respect. . .because like every child

know

> > who my Mother is. . . . share this because i know it is possible to

> > create a healthy group that is honoring and respectful to the

members

> > and Amma. . .

> >

> > I personally do not feel it is about asking anyone to leave the

group. .

> > . .but perhaps we can make a group decision to no longer allow the

power

> > of the negative to dominate the space. . . in the last couple of

months

> > i am starting to see how much light there is within the members. .

> > .there is Max-- have spent time on her website, and there is a

wealth of

> > information about the Goddess and the suppressed histories--her

voice is

> > powerful and clear. . . .there is Robyn Ammapoet sharing her

beautiful

> > devotional poetry. . . there is Temba and his heart for Amma and

> > service. . .and Amarnath that came in and started sharing powerful

Amma

> > quotes--it was Amarnath's example that helped me see there was a way

to

> > particpate even in the midst of the negativity. . .recently took a

look

> > at Fe's photography and it is very interesting and she does have a

gift

> > with the lens. . .recently there appeared " labd " and though she is

new

> > to the group she beautifully displayed Amma's energy of

> > defenselessness. . .and there is Visvanathan with his love for Amma

and

> > sometimes he says something that i might be thinking but would not

say.

> > . .and there is Ravi Chivukula with a counter-balance displaying

> > encouragement and information for a member wanting to visit Amma in

> > India. . .when he and Manoj expressed their goodness it was the

breath

> > of Amma. . .there is Pranada that brings forth the prayers list each

> > week in quite gentle loving service to Amma and Her children. . .

just

> > last week there was Nand he said he was new. . .he was barked at. .

> > .hope he comes back. . . we have members that are in midst of

physical

> > challenges and medical procedures that we could lend care and

> > compassion. . . we are moving into a period where our Nation is

going

> > through great challenges and it would be nice to come to a Amma

group

> > site that is gentle and supportive. . . and on and on. . .and many

more.

> > . .

> >

> > What i am trying to say. . .by the grace of Amma we can bring forth

a

> > space that is safe. . . light filled. . . honoring. . . respectful.

.. .

> > We do not need to get rid of the darkness. . .but continue to bring

the

> > light. . .in whatever way each member desires. . . .to express the

> > goodness. . .and inexpressible grace that we know as AMMA. . . .

> >

> > No revolution. . .just an ongoing evolution of Amma's divine love

and

> > goodness. . . . .this is my prayer . . .

> >

> > Aum Amrteswaryai Namaha

> >

> > marci

> >

> >

> > Ammachi , M Menon <avmm_99@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Namah Shivaya,

> > > I agree about the newcommers feelings. I was once a newcomer and

was

> > totally confused if this group is really pro Ammachi group or

otherwise,

> > but later realized the reality. It does confuse people who join the

> > group for their benefit of spiritual upliftment. It hurt me and am

sure

> > there are many more like me, when we hear ill about Amma. As

> > Vishvanathan correctly said, I too understand that Amma doesnt need

> > anything, its we who need it. So I sought Amma's help in different

> > forms to transcend this ill feeling. Now it doesnt bother me as much

and

> > I do pray whole heartly to Amma for all people whether they know me

or

> > not, like me or hate me, to equally be able to see the positiveness

in

> > any situation that we face and be able to respond rather than react.

> > > Thanks Amarnath for the wonderful dadabhagavan website. Am sure if

we

> > really follow the points mentioned there, it will do us great good,

> > like, one point is " Fault is of the sufferer " .

> > > I never heard that before. So good to know.

> > >

> > > Let all our hearts be open so Amma's grace can enter & benefit us.

> > > Aum Amriteshwaryay Namah !

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 10/9/08, visvanathan kasi_visvanath@ wrote:

> > >

> > > visvanathan kasi_visvanath@

> > > Re: BELOVED FAMLIY!

> > > Ammachi

> > > Thursday, October 9, 2008, 6:26 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ammachi@ .com, Max Dashu maxdashu@ .> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Temba,

> > > >

> > > > I know these negative comments have been upsetting and clearly

meant

> > > > to provoke you. But Amma doesn't need anyone to defend her

honor, as

> > > > you know, and your service speaks for itself.

> > > >

> > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!

> > >

> > > Namaskarams!

> > >

> > > that may be true, but still the heart of a devotees rushes in to

> > > defend the honour of his/her Guru...and sometimes it seems

important

> > > to do so on this or the other list, for the sake of the newer

> > > devotees, who may be distracted by all these negative statements..

...

> > >

> > > so Mother doesn't need, but often WE need...

> > >

> > > in Her Love,

> > >

> > > visvanathan

> > >

> > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Namaste

 

Thanks for the history of the group for i did not know that once the

space was more healthy. . .Can we bring it back?

 

Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha

 

marci

 

 

Ammachi , " visvanathan " <kasi_visvanath

wrote:

>

> Ammachi , " mm " Mmrivertalk@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Namaste

> >

> > Yes, M Menon, so many of us have had the same experience when it

comes

> > to the experience of the Ammachi group. . . thank you for speaking

up.

> > . . . We truly have a choice here-----if we join with a common

intent

> > we can make this group a place that honors Amma and a place that

brings

> > Amma to this site through Her light that is within all of her

children

> > here. . . I know i allowed the toxcity to silence my participation

for

> > too long. . .

> >

> Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!!

>

> Namaskarams!!

>

> what you are longing for dear sister is what we used to have on this

> group several years ago. there was discussion and sometimes

> disagreements, but not nearly so much nastiness or negative talk....

>

> but as time passed we seemed to attract more and more of those who

> loved to make trouble, and to attempt to sow dissension among the

> devotees, even trying to draw them into EX Amma groups with their

> provocative (and libelous) questions...attempting instead of praising

> Amma, to denigrate Her and drag Her image through the mud of their own

> sewerage.

>

> and as a result a lot of the good devotees, the inspiring ones

> departed the list in despair and disgust, unwilling to take part in

> such a charged atmosphere.

>

> In Her Divine Love,

> and in Her Service,

> as ever,

> your own Self,

>

> visvanathan

>

> Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!

>

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Om Namah Shivaya ! Namaste !

I think if this group is named Ammachi as Temba says, we should discuss more

about Amma Principle and build up a  stronger foundation based on that. Else it

should probably be named something else. I think most of us here in this group

know the difference between

compassion/love verses  materialistic/mindful/egoistic advances. If this basic

difference is clear why should we go back and keep rubbing on the same topic

again and again and waste our time and energy when we are supposed to conserve

energy and learn better techniques to conserve energy?

It would be so nice to have a such a healthy environment. Am sure we all can

always benefit out of a healthy environment. What can we do to bring it back to

its old shape ?

Aum Amriteshwaryay Namah !

 

 

 

 

--- On Fri, 10/10/08, mm <Mmrivertalk wrote:

 

mm <Mmrivertalk

Re: BELOVED FAMLIY!

Ammachi

Friday, October 10, 2008, 7:04 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Namaste

 

Thanks for the history of the group for i did not know that once the

space was more healthy. . .Can we bring it back?

 

Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha

 

marci

 

Ammachi@ .com, " visvanathan " <kasi_visvanath@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Ammachi@ .com, " mm " Mmrivertalk@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Namaste

> >

> > Yes, M Menon, so many of us have had the same experience when it

comes

> > to the experience of the Ammachi group. . . thank you for speaking

up.

> > . . . We truly have a choice here-----if we join with a common

intent

> > we can make this group a place that honors Amma and a place that

brings

> > Amma to this site through Her light that is within all of her

children

> > here. . . I know i allowed the toxcity to silence my participation

for

> > too long. . .

> >

> Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!!

>

> Namaskarams! !

>

> what you are longing for dear sister is what we used to have on this

> group several years ago. there was discussion and sometimes

> disagreements, but not nearly so much nastiness or negative talk....

>

> but as time passed we seemed to attract more and more of those who

> loved to make trouble, and to attempt to sow dissension among the

> devotees, even trying to draw them into EX Amma groups with their

> provocative (and libelous) questions... attempting instead of praising

> Amma, to denigrate Her and drag Her image through the mud of their own

> sewerage.

>

> and as a result a lot of the good devotees, the inspiring ones

> departed the list in despair and disgust, unwilling to take part in

> such a charged atmosphere.

>

> In Her Divine Love,

> and in Her Service,

> as ever,

> your own Self,

>

> visvanathan

>

> Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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dear Tom. . . you speak as one that is not able to maintain object

constancy in relationship. . . perhaps you are projecting your own

dynamics on other devotees. . .and we have a different base of

connection with Amma than yourself. . . i honor that you are walking

your path the way that is right for you. . .and also know that Amma is

directing it with your greatest good in mind and heart. . .

 

but it appears from what you wrote you are not aware that many

devotess are able to move deeper than the initial stage that you call

the*honeymoon* period. . . as if you must tell the children there is no

Santa Clause. . . yes the Guru/devotee relationship moves through many

phases. . .and personally have found with each phase a deeper and

truer meaning of love. . .

 

A scared and awesome love that is not continguent on Amma's form. .

..or whether one receives the direct experience from Amma. . .She

awakens the love which is our Beingness. . . a love that transforms from

wanting to be loved by Amma. . .to a love that just wants to love. . .to

a love that just loves. . . a love that is not about the expression of

emotion. . .or words. . .

 

A love that desires only to love and to serve. . . which reveals the

essence and ground of our being and of all life. . Amma knows how and

when to moves us through the phases and Amma knows how to move us into

non-duality. . .

 

One of the most powerful statement i have ever heard came from a

psychiatrist that was my supervisor a number years before meeting

Amma. . . " the inability to withstand ambiquity leads to splitting " . .

..that was my first concept leading to the path of non-duality and i

daily tried to imprinted it on the forebrain. . .for realized duality

was the root cause of my suffering. . .but it was not until the

blessing of Amma's grace's that has lead me to believe it is possible

to realize non-duality in life time. . .Amma knows what is needed for

her children and when it is needed. . .perhaps many of the problems you

are encountering has to do with remembering that Amma is the one that is

able to lead us. . . Amma has completed the journey. . .and she knows

the terrain and the hearts and minds of each of her children. . . Tom

for you to be big. . .you do not have to make all of us little. . .join

the circle. . .that is were the power lies. . . .

 

 

 

" Dive deeply into the miracle of life and let the tips of your wings be

burnt by the flame, let your feet be lacerated by the thorns, let your

heart be stirred by human emotion, and let your soul be lifted beyond

the earth. " Pir Vilayat Inayat Khan Call of the Dervish

 

Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha

 

marci

 

 

 

 

Ammachi , " tom " <tomgull wrote:

>

> One of my goals is that new people get a

> truer experience of the Amma-phenomenom.

> For SOME, I think it's better that their

> *honeymoon* period is as short as possible,

> to minimize damage.

>

> If one comes to a list like this expecting

> everything sugary-sweet, then it's not

> satsang they seek. Although I can see how

> they'd be misled as to what *satsang* is,

> if they attend Amma-satsangs.

>

> There's a clear difference between negativity

> and true impurity. If you use only

> *negativity* as your guide, then you'll

> always remain in the ego, as anything

> opposite your current beliefs will be

> seen as a threat and will be unpleasant.

>

> in the spirit of violet doves,

> tom

>

> Ammachi , M Menon avmm_99@ wrote:

> >

> > Om Namah Shivaya,

> > I agree about the newcommers feelings. I was once a newcomer and

> was totally confused if this group is really pro Ammachi group or

> otherwise, but later realized the reality. It does confuse people who

> join the group for their benefit of spiritual upliftment. It hurt me

> and am sure there are many more like me, when we hear ill about Amma.

> (snip)

>

 

 

 

 

 

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>I personally do not feel it is about asking anyone to leave the group.

>. .but perhaps we can make a group decision to no longer allow the power

>of the negative to dominate the space.

 

Yes!

 

>What i am trying to say. . .by the grace of Amma we can bring forth a

>space that is safe. . . light filled. . . honoring. . . respectful. . .

 

Yes. Beautiful. Joyous. Thank you.

 

Max

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this is what the christians call feeding someones spirit.dear beloved

sister,stay on FIRE!AMMAs sun just got fed by HER very hands through reading

these words.AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA...this is the VIBRATION that

we can hold for this group.when others come into this ENERGY they will be

swallowed by it!AMMA grace will devour them with HER compassion!

this is what temba means by STANDING ON THE PRINCIPLES THAT OUR GURU EMBODY'S

PERFECTLY.AMMA is smiling at you beloved marcie.temba can see HER FACE smiling

right now!

AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,,AMMA.....\

................

 

 

 

 

Ammachi: Mmrivertalk: Fri, 10 Oct 2008

03:50:01 +0000 Re: BELOVED FAMLIY!

 

 

 

 

dear Tom. . . you speak as one that is not able to maintain objectconstancy in

relationship. . . perhaps you are projecting your owndynamics on other devotees.

.. .and we have a different base ofconnection with Amma than yourself. . . i

honor that you are walkingyour path the way that is right for you. . .and also

know that Amma isdirecting it with your greatest good in mind and heart. . .but

it appears from what you wrote you are not aware that manydevotess are able to

move deeper than the initial stage that you callthe*honeymoon* period. . . as if

you must tell the children there is noSanta Clause. . . yes the Guru/devotee

relationship moves through manyphases. . .and personally have found with each

phase a deeper andtruer meaning of love. . .A scared and awesome love that is

not continguent on Amma's form. ..or whether one receives the direct experience

from Amma. . .Sheawakens the love which is our Beingness. . . a love that

transforms fromwanting to be loved by Amma. . .to a love that just wants to

love. . .toa love that just loves. . . a love that is not about the expression

ofemotion. . .or words. . .A love that desires only to love and to serve. . .

which reveals the essence and ground of our being and of all life. . Amma knows

how andwhen to moves us through the phases and Amma knows how to move us

intonon-duality. . .One of the most powerful statement i have ever heard came

from apsychiatrist that was my supervisor a number years before meetingAmma. .

.. " the inability to withstand ambiquity leads to splitting " . ..that was my first

concept leading to the path of non-duality and idaily tried to imprinted it on

the forebrain. . .for realized dualitywas the root cause of my suffering. . .but

it was not until theblessing of Amma's grace's that has lead me to believe it is

possibleto realize non-duality in life time. . .Amma knows what is needed forher

children and when it is needed. . .perhaps many of the problems youare

encountering has to do with remembering that Amma is the one that isable to lead

us. . . Amma has completed the journey. . .and she knowsthe terrain and the

hearts and minds of each of her children. . . Tomfor you to be big. . .you do

not have to make all of us little. . .jointhe circle. . .that is were the power

lies. . . . " Dive deeply into the miracle of life and let the tips of your wings

beburnt by the flame, let your feet be lacerated by the thorns, let yourheart be

stirred by human emotion, and let your soul be lifted beyondthe earth. " Pir

Vilayat Inayat Khan Call of the DervishAum Amriteswaryai Namahamarci--- In

Ammachi , " tom " <tomgull wrote:>> One of my goals is that

new people get a> truer experience of the Amma-phenomenom.> For SOME, I think

it's better that their> *honeymoon* period is as short as possible,> to minimize

damage.>> If one comes to a list like this expecting> everything sugary-sweet,

then it's not> satsang they seek. Although I can see how> they'd be misled as to

what *satsang* is,> if they attend Amma-satsangs.>> There's a clear difference

between negativity> and true impurity. If you use only> *negativity* as your

guide, then you'll> always remain in the ego, as anything> opposite your current

beliefs will be> seen as a threat and will be unpleasant.>> in the spirit of

violet doves,> tom>> Ammachi , M Menon avmm_99@ wrote:> >>

> Om Namah Shivaya,> > I agree about the newcommers feelings. I was once a

newcomer and> was totally confused if this group is really pro Ammachi group or>

otherwise, but later realized the reality. It does confuse people who> join the

group for their benefit of spiritual upliftment. It hurt me> and am sure there

are many more like me, when we hear ill about Amma.> (snip)>[Non-text portions

of this message have been removed]

 

 

 

 

 

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AMMAs grace is SUPERB!

 

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>I personally do not feel it is about asking anyone to leave the group.>. .but

perhaps we can make a group decision to no longer allow the power>of the

negative to dominate the space.Yes!>What i am trying to say. . .by the grace of

Amma we can bring forth a>space that is safe. . . light filled. . . honoring. .

.. respectful. . .Yes. Beautiful. Joyous. Thank you.Max

 

 

 

 

 

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the first step to this is right in our faces.we must never compromise standing

on SPIRTUAL PRINCIPLES.we must never coward when it comes to adressing things

that are not aligned with AMMAs teachings.and we must as a group conscious keep

our motive surrendered to the HIGHEST GOOD of ALL...AMMA,AMMA,AMMA.

WE MUST NEVER SPEAK OF OUR BELOVED GURU AMMA IN ANY OTHER LANGUAGE THEN THE

LANGUAGE OF THE HIGHEST AND GRATEST RESPECT WE CAN IMAGINE.. THE FLEETING

PERSONALITYS OF THE GROUP MEMBER IS NEVER MORE IMPORTANT THEN THE INFINITE

PRINCIPLE,FOR WITHOUT THE INFINITE PRINCIPLE(AMMA)non of us would be here.

WITHOUT AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,THIS GROUP WOULD NOT BE HERE AND NEITHER WOULD ANY OF

US........

 

 

 

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Om Namah Shivaya ! Namaste ! I think if this group is named Ammachi as Temba

says, we should discuss more about Amma Principle and build up a stronger

foundation based on that. Else it should probably be named something else. I

think most of us here in this group know the difference between compassion/love

verses materialistic/mindful/egoistic advances. If this basic difference is

clear why should we go back and keep rubbing on the same topic again and again

and waste our time and energy when we are supposed to conserve energy and learn

better techniques to conserve energy?It would be so nice to have a such a

healthy environment. Am sure we all can always benefit out of a healthy

environment. What can we do to bring it back to its old shape ?Aum

Amriteshwaryay Namah ! --- On Fri, 10/10/08, mm <Mmrivertalk

wrote:mm <Mmrivertalk Re: BELOVED FAMLIY!To:

Ammachi: Friday, October 10, 2008, 7:04 AMNamasteThanks for

the history of the group for i did not know that once thespace was more healthy.

.. .Can we bring it back?Aum Amriteswaryai NamahamarciAmmachi@

..com, " visvanathan " <kasi_visvanath@ ...>wrote:>> Ammachi@

..com, " mm " Mmrivertalk@ wrote:> >> >> > Namaste> >> > Yes, M Menon, so many of

us have had the same experience when itcomes> > to the experience of the Ammachi

group. . . thank you for speakingup.> > . . . We truly have a choice here-----if

we join with a commonintent> > we can make this group a place that honors Amma

and a place thatbrings> > Amma to this site through Her light that is within all

of herchildren> > here. . . I know i allowed the toxcity to silence my

participationfor> > too long. . .> >> Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!!>> Namaskarams! !>>

what you are longing for dear sister is what we used to have on this> group

several years ago. there was discussion and sometimes> disagreements, but not

nearly so much nastiness or negative talk....>> but as time passed we seemed to

attract more and more of those who> loved to make trouble, and to attempt to sow

dissension among the> devotees, even trying to draw them into EX Amma groups

with their> provocative (and libelous) questions... attempting instead of

praising> Amma, to denigrate Her and drag Her image through the mud of their

own> sewerage.>> and as a result a lot of the good devotees, the inspiring ones>

departed the list in despair and disgust, unwilling to take part in> such a

charged atmosphere.>> In Her Divine Love,> and in Her Service,> as ever,> your

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Marci, what you're describing is NEW AGE.

 

I'm the opposite and have always been the opposite of most devotees.

Most devotees profess Amma but actually practice and profess New Age

and/or Metaphysics. They follow the teachings MORe of OTHER guru's

than Amma's. I don't profess her anymore, but DO follow her

teachings and have benefited from it. That's why I DENOUNCE

low-level over-hyped people like Dayamrita. There are devotees that

get visceral reactions to even the suggestion that he's not holy.

This is plain wrong and harmful to everyone to be so deluded.

 

When you worship Amma's form and surface-teachings, you don't learn.

You have tons of fun, yes, but you don't learn.

 

Temba is a PERFECT example of someone STUCK in the honeymoon stage.

tom

Ammachi , " mm " <Mmrivertalk wrote:

>

>

> dear Tom. . . you speak as one that is not able to maintain object

> constancy in relationship. . . perhaps you are projecting your own

> dynamics on other devotees. . .and we have a different base of

> connection with Amma than yourself. . . i honor that you are walking

> your path the way that is right for you. . .and also know that Amma is

> directing it with your greatest good in mind and heart. . .

>

> but it appears from what you wrote you are not aware that many

> devotess are able to move deeper than the initial stage that you call

> the*honeymoon* period. . . as if you must tell the children there is no

> Santa Clause. . . yes the Guru/devotee relationship moves through many

> phases. . . (snip)

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Things worked when there were less

Amma-issues that came up. Things

change over the years, and there's

always people that like only

the enjoyment part of spirituality.

Anything or anyone that's an

Amma-buzzkill is seen as a nasty

negative egoistic person.

 

IF Amma's actions/lack of actions

and the improper actions of her

devotees had improved instead of

worsened over the years, there

wouldn't be any conflicts here.

 

Instead, people who can't hack it drop out,

because their ice cream is melting

and the water-works (tears) are coming.

 

There's another list for Amma-Bhakti

related interests for those that

prefer 100% sugar in their spirituality.

 

I will not quit as long as I have something

to say here. If you want to kick me off,

go right ahead, it's your choice. I'm sure

there's already been plenty of requests.

 

tom

 

Ammachi , Mmrivertalk wrote:

>

> Namaste

>

> Could those that have been here for awhile share what made the prior

group

> work? Also would people be willing to share how they would like to

see the

> group transform? What would each person's vision and personal

intent be for

> this Amma group to be healthy and vital?

>

> One of the small things i liked about the group i visited is that

each

> entry had to be started with Namaste. It was a simple thing but it

set a tone

> and an intent.

>

> Aum Amrteswaryai Namaha

> marci

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Ammachi , " tom " <tomgull wrote:

>

> Marci, what you're describing is NEW AGE.

 

***************************

 

Namaste

 

dear Tom. . .i am not suggesting New Age. . .but if you want to call it

New Age. . .then once again that is okay with me. . .i am saying for me

the style and communication level has become toxic. . .and rather than

proposing New Age i am hoping the group can transition from the Dark

Age. . .

 

 

 

 

>

> I'm the opposite and have always been the opposite of most devotees.

 

************************

 

 

 

yes Tom, you display yourself as oppositional. . . and that too can be

a path. . . i hope you can learn to honor that path. . .and continue to

walk it with ever increasing intensity if that is what you need. . . am

not trying to discount your path. . .Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle are

two wonderful examples of ones that build up so much negativity that it

concentrated enough charge from the left brain to the right brain that

brought forth a profound awakening for both of them. . .i honor you path

and like i said earlier. . .perhaps the way one could understand your

path is to understand photography. . . some people are able to use the

negative to develop. . .and you have been using the Ammachi space as a

darkroom. . .I am not judging you. . .it is just there are many that do

not want a dark room. . .we want to bring some light to the space. . .

 

***********************

 

 

> Most devotees profess Amma but actually practice and profess New Age

> and/or Metaphysics. They follow the teachings MORe of OTHER guru's

> than Amma's.

 

Tom, why are you so judging of other people's paths. . .there is a real

fundamentalist fevor to your accusation of New Age. . .once again i can

not relate to your term New Age. . .but if that is what you chose to

call it. . .that is your choice. . .but it does not define that which is

mine to live and walk. . .

 

Amma says her religion is love. . . and She loves. . Amma says seek the

realization of the divine Self. . .and She lives the realization and

teaches a discipline that is accessible to all. . .Amma says the

purpose of life is to love and serve. . . and She lives that one with

every breath and heartbeat. . .Amma embraces all religions. . .all

Nations. . .all races. . .all genders. . .Tom truly Amma could write

volumes of spiritual writings and could fill vast libraries. . .but Amma

has chosen to come down low. . . to teach and love and serve all the

children of the world. . . so when you say New Age and Amma's devotees

perhaps what you are seeing is just children crawling and walking and

falling down and getting up trying to imitate their beloved Mother. .

..we all fall down and it is not a pretty process. . .but by Amma's grace

we all get up. . .again. . .and again. . .

 

 

 

 

 

I don't profess her anymore,

 

*********************************

 

So are you trying to save us from Amma?

 

 

 

Perhaps your " her " and my Amma are not experienced as the same. . .

..For me Amma is a big word. . .Amma is the form of our Beloved Teacher.

.. .Mother. . .and Sataguru. . .Amma is Swamiji. . .Amma is Sri C.B. .

..Amma is all of her Swami's and devotees that work so hard and make it

possible for Amma to embrace the world. . .Amma is Mother Nature. .

..Amma is the divine within all. . .Amma is the divine within my Self. .

..Amma is creator. . .sustainer. . .destroyer. . .that can never be

confined by one form. . . . .Amma is a big word. . .

 

Tom for years i was in a profession that labeled and classified

everything into pathology. . ..to get paid i had to stick a label on

them. . . the biggest hinderance in my own healing was what i did to

myself with all the clinical learning. . .i cannot put Amma in my box or

your box. . .i cannot put myself in your box or my box. . .and have no

desire to place you in contraction and hope that some day you release

you and your world from such rigid contraction. . .

 

*************************************

 

but DO follow her

> teachings and have benefited from it

 

 

 

Tom i am gald there is something you can hold on to and it seems to me

the bond is much deeper than you can allow yourself to feel and know

these days. . . you know the sacred is what your life is about and

there is great committment and dedication. . .There is a bond and

connection with Amma that will hold you for all eternity whether you can

know is at this time or not. . .this is some kind of phase you are

working through and i do no understand the complexity of it all. . .but

the one thing i do know is that the line between the scared and the

profound is a thin as fishing line. . .all of the angst can be

surrendered and peace is possible. . .it is your choice. . .

 

That's why I DENOUNCE

> low-level over-hyped people like Dayamrita. There are devotees that

> get visceral reactions to even the suggestion that he's not holy.

 

********************************************

 

Tom when are you going to learn you are not seeing Dayamrita, you are

seeing your projection of Dayamrita. . .what you are putting on him is

your baby and you need to rock your own baby. . .he nor Amma is not

going to rock this baby because it is your baby. . .the only thing you

can change is that which you take 100% responsibility. . .sorry Tom i

know this sounds preachy, but it is the only sanity i have found. . .and

trust me i have railed against some big ones and all it did was dig me

in deeper. . . and you know what the cowboy said. . . " if you find

yourself in a deep hole--stop digging. " Have you not learned that Amma

within you will continue to bring forth as many Dayamritas that is

necessary until you take the sticky off of him. . . please know that is

not New Age. . .that is good psychology and spiritual principle from all

the religions. . .what did Jesus say?. . .how many times must i forgive

my brother. . .

 

 

> This is plain wrong and harmful to everyone to be so deluded.

 

*********************************************

 

WRONG. . .now how is this statement not a position of duality???

 

do you remember that story by Swamiji. . .if you want people to think

you are really intelligent have a " no " to everything. . . .but Tom when

you have a " no " to every thing then it makes for one really lonely

miserable life. . . .

>

> When you worship Amma's form and surface-teachings, you don't learn.

> You have tons of fun, yes, but you don't learn.

 

****************************************

 

I have come to love simplicity. . .my Native Grandfather told me one

only needs to learn how to count to three. . . . One is for Thee. . .Two

is for Self. . .Three is for All. . .I have told you before Tom. . .i am

still learning to count to three. . .and if i can ever Master that. .

..then i believe Amma will take me into the " deeper " teaching. . .but in

truth learning to count to three has been the biggest challenge of my

life and it has been Amma's grace and patience that She continues to

try. . .

 

Sometimes Tom, you speak as if Amma is not enough. . .i can not relate

to that. . .i have found Her " surface-teaching " and Amma to be more than

i can assimulate on most any given day. . .i fail so. . .so. . .so. . .

often. . .and am not as knowledgeable or overly intelligent person. .

..but i am so much happier and peaceful since finding Amma. . .and have

come to love the silence and i think that Amma woud suggest that we all

just meditate more. . .

 

 

>

> Temba is a PERFECT example of someone STUCK in the honeymoon stage.

 

***************************************

 

Tom i am not going to talk to you about Temba, please re-read the

Dayamrita. . .i think it is the same baby. . .you keep pushing off on

them. . .and may we all be blessed to be STUCK in the honeymoon stage. .

..i do not think mine was the honeymoon stage. . .for me it was a beauty

and truth that laid a foundation for all of eternity. . .a remembrance

of what i had come from and what i am returning to. . .but lets say it

is a honeymoon phase or a cosmic embrace by the Divine Mother. . .your

contempt of it is like slapping a child or a beloved for reaching for

the most profound love. . .that space is where the foundation is laid

for all the other levels. . . and that is sacred ground. . .it is not

yours to desecrate. . .or decide how long someone should reside there. .

..Tom that is sacred ground. . . leave the shoes and the ego at the door.

.. .walk softly. . .speak softly. . .sacred ground. . .sacred ground. .

..sacred ground. . .sacred ground. . . .

 

May you find peace may you know Amma's embrace

 

Tom i have just spoken from how i view things from my own egoic lens and

truly Amma is the one that will be there for you and will bring the

expansion that is needed in these concerns. . .may it be Her will in all

levels. . .with all of us. . .

 

Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha

 

marci

 

 

> tom

> Ammachi , " mm " Mmrivertalk@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > dear Tom. . . you speak as one that is not able to maintain object

> > constancy in relationship. . . perhaps you are projecting your own

> > dynamics on other devotees. . .and we have a different base of

> > connection with Amma than yourself. . . i honor that you are walking

> > your path the way that is right for you. . .and also know that Amma

is

> > directing it with your greatest good in mind and heart. . .

> >

> > but it appears from what you wrote you are not aware that many

> > devotess are able to move deeper than the initial stage that you

call

> > the*honeymoon* period. . . as if you must tell the children there is

no

> > Santa Clause. . . yes the Guru/devotee relationship moves through

many

> > phases. . . (snip)

>

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Tom . . .i do not believe anyone is asking you to leave. . .we just want

to turn some lights on. . .and how you chose to express yourself if your

business . . .and would not want to take your self expression away from

you. . .i just will not be trying to interact with the opposition and

negativity any more. . . you are always welcome to join the power of the

circle. . .

 

this is a quote posted a few days ago. . .and for now i need to put my

energy here. . .

 

Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha

 

in Amma's love

 

marci

 

 

 

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\

-of-the-ego/

<http://essentialpath.wordpress.com/2008/06/12/allowing-the-diminishment\

-of-the-ego/> >

Eckhart Tolle's book A New Earth, Page 214. " The ego is always

on guard against any kind of perceived diminishment. " When someone

blames or criticizes me, that to the ego is a diminishment of self, and

it will immediately attempt to repair its diminished sense of self

through self-justification, defense or blaming. "

 

Tolle continues on with this suggestion: " A powerful spiritual

practice is consciously to allow the diminishment of the ego when it

happens without trying to restore it. " His suggestion is to " do

nothing " when the ego begins to feel attacked. If practiced,

" you realize that nothing real has been diminished, that through

becoming " less, " you become more. " By becoming less,

" you in fact undergo an expansion and make room for Being to come

forward. "

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ammachi , " tom " <tomgull wrote:

>

> Things worked when there were less

> Amma-issues that came up. Things

> change over the years, and there's

> always people that like only

> the enjoyment part of spirituality.

> Anything or anyone that's an

> Amma-buzzkill is seen as a nasty

> negative egoistic person.

>

> IF Amma's actions/lack of actions

> and the improper actions of her

> devotees had improved instead of

> worsened over the years, there

> wouldn't be any conflicts here.

>

> Instead, people who can't hack it drop out,

> because their ice cream is melting

> and the water-works (tears) are coming.

>

> There's another list for Amma-Bhakti

> related interests for those that

> prefer 100% sugar in their spirituality.

>

> I will not quit as long as I have something

> to say here. If you want to kick me off,

> go right ahead, it's your choice. I'm sure

> there's already been plenty of requests.

>

> tom

>

> Ammachi , Mmrivertalk@ wrote:

> >

> > Namaste

> >

> > Could those that have been here for awhile share what made the prior

> group

> > work? Also would people be willing to share how they would like to

> see the

> > group transform? What would each person's vision and personal

> intent be for

> > this Amma group to be healthy and vital?

> >

> > One of the small things i liked about the group i visited is that

> each

> > entry had to be started with Namaste. It was a simple thing but it

> set a tone

> > and an intent.

> >

> > Aum Amrteswaryai Namaha

> > marci

>

 

 

 

 

 

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I'm trying to turn the lights on too.

Trying to balance gross ignorance and mistakenness

with the equally opposite to stamp it out.

 

Too many devotees, like the org, assume themselves

not perfect, but never wrong, especially using

the all-important *consensus* method of measuring

truth (which Amma has never taught).

 

As I've said before, that this group here is overly

positive to the point of being " untrue " , just as

Ex-Amma is overly negative to the point of being

untrue. But this is a satsang list, not

a devotion list, so people shouldn't expect pure sweetness.

 

And your Tolle quote, is yes, uh, New Age.

 

As long as people go with feelings, you never

think oneself to be in error, unless it *feels*

that way.

tom

ps, props to Linda for getting me kicked off the

Shree Maa list, yes I do have a memory.

 

Ammachi , " mm " <Mmrivertalk wrote:

> Tom . . .i do not believe anyone is asking you to leave. . .we just want

> to turn some lights on. . .and how you chose to express yourself if your

> business . . .and would not want to take your self expression away from

> you. . .i just will not be trying to interact with the opposition and

> negativity any more. . . you are always welcome to join the power of the

> circle. . .

>

> this is a quote posted a few days ago. . .and for now i need to put my

> energy here. . .

>

> Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha

>

> in Amma's love

>

> marci

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dear beloved,dont play this game with our beloved brother.so what if it

new-age.new age,old age,who cares where love and service is concerned.the monkey

mind only plays this game.detach from the game and just watch the play.the

monkey mind seeks another monkey mind to swing on the vine with it.dont take the

bananas anymore.that is the

bate!AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA

is..............not the monkey mind,or is SHE?

 

Ammachi: Mmrivertalk: Fri, 10 Oct 2008

09:10:12 +0000 Re: BELOVED FAMLIY!

 

 

 

 

Ammachi , " tom " <tomgull wrote:>> Marci, what you're

describing is NEW AGE.***************************Namastedear Tom. . .i am not

suggesting New Age. . .but if you want to call itNew Age. . .then once again

that is okay with me. . .i am saying for methe style and communication level has

become toxic. . .and rather thanproposing New Age i am hoping the group can

transition from the DarkAge. . .>> I'm the opposite and have always been the

opposite of most devotees.************************yes Tom, you display yourself

as oppositional. . . and that too can bea path. . . i hope you can learn to

honor that path. . .and continue towalk it with ever increasing intensity if

that is what you need. . . amnot trying to discount your path. . .Byron Katie

and Eckhart Tolle aretwo wonderful examples of ones that build up so much

negativity that itconcentrated enough charge from the left brain to the right

brain thatbrought forth a profound awakening for both of them. . .i honor you

pathand like i said earlier. . .perhaps the way one could understand yourpath is

to understand photography. . . some people are able to use thenegative to

develop. . .and you have been using the Ammachi space as adarkroom. . .I am not

judging you. . .it is just there are many that donot want a dark room. . .we

want to bring some light to the space. . .***********************> Most devotees

profess Amma but actually practice and profess New Age> and/or Metaphysics. They

follow the teachings MORe of OTHER guru's> than Amma's.Tom, why are you so

judging of other people's paths. . .there is a realfundamentalist fevor to your

accusation of New Age. . .once again i cannot relate to your term New Age. .

..but if that is what you chose tocall it. . .that is your choice. . .but it does

not define that which ismine to live and walk. . .Amma says her religion is

love. . . and She loves. . Amma says seek therealization of the divine Self. .

..and She lives the realization andteaches a discipline that is accessible to

all. . .Amma says thepurpose of life is to love and serve. . . and She lives

that one withevery breath and heartbeat. . .Amma embraces all religions. .

..allNations. . .all races. . .all genders. . .Tom truly Amma could writevolumes

of spiritual writings and could fill vast libraries. . .but Ammahas chosen to

come down low. . . to teach and love and serve all thechildren of the world. . .

so when you say New Age and Amma's devoteesperhaps what you are seeing is just

children crawling and walking andfalling down and getting up trying to imitate

their beloved Mother. ..we all fall down and it is not a pretty process. . .but

by Amma's gracewe all get up. . .again. . .and again. . .I don't profess her

anymore,*********************************So are you trying to save us from

Amma?Perhaps your " her " and my Amma are not experienced as the same. . ..For me

Amma is a big word. . .Amma is the form of our Beloved Teacher.. .Mother. . .and

Sataguru. . .Amma is Swamiji. . .Amma is Sri C.B. ..Amma is all of her Swami's

and devotees that work so hard and make itpossible for Amma to embrace the

world. . .Amma is Mother Nature. ..Amma is the divine within all. . .Amma is the

divine within my Self. ..Amma is creator. . .sustainer. . .destroyer. . .that

can never beconfined by one form. . . . .Amma is a big word. . .Tom for years i

was in a profession that labeled and classifiedeverything into pathology. . ..to

get paid i had to stick a label onthem. . . the biggest hinderance in my own

healing was what i did tomyself with all the clinical learning. . .i cannot put

Amma in my box oryour box. . .i cannot put myself in your box or my box. . .and

have nodesire to place you in contraction and hope that some day you releaseyou

and your world from such rigid contraction. .

..*************************************but DO follow her> teachings and have

benefited from itTom i am gald there is something you can hold on to and it

seems to me the bond is much deeper than you can allow yourself to feel and

knowthese days. . . you know the sacred is what your life is about andthere is

great committment and dedication. . .There is a bond andconnection with Amma

that will hold you for all eternity whether you canknow is at this time or not.

.. .this is some kind of phase you areworking through and i do no understand the

complexity of it all. . .butthe one thing i do know is that the line between the

scared and theprofound is a thin as fishing line. . .all of the angst can

besurrendered and peace is possible. . .it is your choice. . .That's why I

DENOUNCE> low-level over-hyped people like Dayamrita. There are devotees that>

get visceral reactions to even the suggestion that he's not

holy.********************************************Tom when are you going to learn

you are not seeing Dayamrita, you areseeing your projection of Dayamrita. .

..what you are putting on him isyour baby and you need to rock your own baby. .

..he nor Amma is notgoing to rock this baby because it is your baby. . .the only

thing youcan change is that which you take 100% responsibility. . .sorry Tom

iknow this sounds preachy, but it is the only sanity i have found. . .andtrust

me i have railed against some big ones and all it did was dig mein deeper. . .

and you know what the cowboy said. . . " if you findyourself in a deep hole--stop

digging. " Have you not learned that Ammawithin you will continue to bring forth

as many Dayamritas that isnecessary until you take the sticky off of him. . .

please know that isnot New Age. . .that is good psychology and spiritual

principle from allthe religions. . .what did Jesus say?. . .how many times must

i forgivemy brother. . .> This is plain wrong and harmful to everyone to be so

deluded.*********************************************WRONG. . .now how is this

statement not a position of duality???do you remember that story by Swamiji. .

..if you want people to thinkyou are really intelligent have a " no " to

everything. . . .but Tom whenyou have a " no " to every thing then it makes for

one really lonelymiserable life. . . .>> When you worship Amma's form and

surface-teachings, you don't learn.> You have tons of fun, yes, but you don't

learn.****************************************I have come to love simplicity. .

..my Native Grandfather told me oneonly needs to learn how to count to three. . .

.. One is for Thee. . .Twois for Self. . .Three is for All. . .I have told you

before Tom. . .i amstill learning to count to three. . .and if i can ever Master

that. ..then i believe Amma will take me into the " deeper " teaching. . .but

intruth learning to count to three has been the biggest challenge of mylife and

it has been Amma's grace and patience that She continues totry. . .Sometimes

Tom, you speak as if Amma is not enough. . .i can not relateto that. . .i have

found Her " surface-teaching " and Amma to be more thani can assimulate on most

any given day. . .i fail so. . .so. . .so. . .often. . .and am not as

knowledgeable or overly intelligent person. ..but i am so much happier and

peaceful since finding Amma. . .and havecome to love the silence and i think

that Amma woud suggest that we alljust meditate more. . .>> Temba is a PERFECT

example of someone STUCK in the honeymoon

stage.***************************************Tom i am not going to talk to you

about Temba, please re-read theDayamrita. . .i think it is the same baby. . .you

keep pushing off onthem. . .and may we all be blessed to be STUCK in the

honeymoon stage. ..i do not think mine was the honeymoon stage. . .for me it was

a beautyand truth that laid a foundation for all of eternity. . .a remembranceof

what i had come from and what i am returning to. . .but lets say itis a

honeymoon phase or a cosmic embrace by the Divine Mother. . .yourcontempt of it

is like slapping a child or a beloved for reaching forthe most profound love. .

..that space is where the foundation is laidfor all the other levels. . . and

that is sacred ground. . .it is notyours to desecrate. . .or decide how long

someone should reside there. ..Tom that is sacred ground. . . leave the shoes

and the ego at the door.. .walk softly. . .speak softly. . .sacred ground. .

..sacred ground. ..sacred ground. . .sacred ground. . . .May you find peace may

you know Amma's embraceTom i have just spoken from how i view things from my own

egoic lens andtruly Amma is the one that will be there for you and will bring

theexpansion that is needed in these concerns. . .may it be Her will in

alllevels. . .with all of us. . .Aum Amriteswaryai Namahamarci> tom> --- In

Ammachi , " mm " Mmrivertalk@ wrote:> >> >> > dear Tom. . . you

speak as one that is not able to maintain object> > constancy in relationship. .

.. perhaps you are projecting your own> > dynamics on other devotees. . .and we

have a different base of> > connection with Amma than yourself. . . i honor that

you are walking> > your path the way that is right for you. . .and also know

that Ammais> > directing it with your greatest good in mind and heart. . .> >> >

but it appears from what you wrote you are not aware that many> > devotess are

able to move deeper than the initial stage that youcall> > the*honeymoon*

period. . . as if you must tell the children there isno> > Santa Clause. . . yes

the Guru/devotee relationship moves throughmany> > phases. . . (snip)>

 

 

 

 

 

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