Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 why would someone take something so beautiful and say such things as tom has said,but as MOTHER TERESA reminds you and i below,it is between me and AMMA ANYWAY.... love,AMMAs sun temba Mother Teresa's Anyway Poem People are often unreasonable, illogical and self centered;Forgive them anyway. If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives;Be kind anyway. If you are successful, you will win some false friends and some true enemies;Succeed anyway. If you are honest and frank, people may cheat you;Be honest and frank anyway. What you spend years building, someone could destroy overnight;Build anyway. If you find serenity and happiness, they may be jealous;Be happy anyway. The good you do today, people will often forget tomorrow;Do good anyway. Give the world the best you have, and it may never be enough;Give the world the best you've got anyway. You see, in the final analysis, it is between you and your God;It was never between you and them anyway.[Reportedly inscribed on the wall of Mother Teresa's children's home in Calcutta, and attributed to _______________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F68\ 1DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 dear Temba. . .truly this poem you posted says it all. . .and we have all gone through this for a couple of years now with Tom being Tom. . ..for a couple of years i read the post but never participated because it seemed to have so much toxicity and negativity. . . like you i have felt sad and confused by the ongoing hatefulness that has been directed at Amma and those that serve Her. . .but please step back and look at it Temba. . .you are in " really good company " to be on Tom's hit list. . . we are dealing with the dynamics of the 'school yard bully', and Tom knows the buttons to push. . .we can react at his level and reflect back his aggression. . . or we can just use it for practice. . . " and this too " . . . there are some of us that do not have satsang. . . and it would be so nice to have a safe space to be in connection with other Amma devotees. .. . but that has been sabatogued so many times. . .have you noticed that each time just as the group starts to share the postive and interact with one anther. . .there comes an attack on Amma or one the Swamis. . . ..Also there is a pattern that a couple of weeks before Amma comes to America something gets stirred up and each time just when Amma leaves America there will be another flare up. . . .perhaps we are witnessing someone's abandoment issues here. . .Temba what i do trust is that Amma is directing Tom's path just as She is directing ours. . . Maybe Tom's path is photographic in that the negative is used for development . . ..there is an ongoing script that plays over and over again which goes something like this-- " for Tom to be BIG he must make everyone else small. . . whatever it is . . .it is ours to accept. . .Tom is one of Amma's devotees. . .and it is not for us to change him. . .even if we could. . .but what we can do. . .is not allow the continuing toxicity to determine the energy of this group. . .we can clean up the toxicity. . ..by being true to our Selves and the teachings Amma would have us practice. . . So my intent and prayer is may we continue to bring that which is good. . .that which allows us to bring forth the best in one anther . . . ourselves. . . and within the world that we live. . . like Gandhi said. . . " be the change you want to see " . . . Temba so agree with what Max shared. . .i really respect your committment of Heart and Hand to serve Amma. . .this is a story from Sri Ramakrishna. . .and like Max said. . . nothing Tom can say can really hurt Amma. . .but perhaps Tom has figured out that he can express his anger and hurt at whatever he has projected on to Amma and Her children by striking the left side of Amma. . .and when we react. . .he gets to hear the clack. . . God As Mother by Sri Ramakrishna There are some temples where God is worshipped as Mother. In one of these, in the state of Bengal, She is represented by a large stone image. The sculptor has carved in stone his idea of the Mother of the Universe, and many pious people, finding it attractive and inspiring, go there to pay their respects or make offerings. One day an old monk who used a cane came into the temple. Approaching the altar he said, speaking aloud to God, " Mother, you are said to be God; tell me the truth: are you solid like stone — this image? Or are you formless, indescribable and impossible to touch? " " Take your cane, " the monk heard a soft voice saying, " and strike my body on the left side. " He did, and the cane hit the stone with a clack. " Now strike me from the other side, " She said. When the cane reached the sculpture it passed right through it as if it were air. Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha May we all be blessed with Amma's grace and love to be in healthy relationship as brothers and sisters in AMMA marci Ammachi , temba spirits <tembaspirits wrote: > > > why would someone take something so beautiful and say such things as tom has said,but as MOTHER TERESA reminds you and i below,it is between me and AMMA ANYWAY.... love,AMMAs sun temba > Mother Teresa's Anyway Poem > > People are often unreasonable, illogical and self centered;Forgive them anyway. > If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives;Be kind anyway. > If you are successful, you will win some false friends and some true enemies;Succeed anyway. > If you are honest and frank, people may cheat you;Be honest and frank anyway. > What you spend years building, someone could destroy overnight;Build anyway. > If you find serenity and happiness, they may be jealous;Be happy anyway. > The good you do today, people will often forget tomorrow;Do good anyway. > Give the world the best you have, and it may never be enough;Give the world the best you've got anyway. > You see, in the final analysis, it is between you and your God;It was never between you and them anyway.[Reportedly inscribed on the wall of Mother Teresa's children's home in Calcutta, and attributed to > _______________ > Get more out of the Web. 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Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 dear beloved sister.there is no confusion here.this has been happening for thousands of years.JESUS said, " blessed are those that are persecuted for rightous name sake for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. " our brother may be on the path ,but he has never made a claim to be a AMMA devotee ,so why are you declaring this for him?He is ofcourse loved by HER unconditonally,but devotion to HER is another thing entirely beloved sister.a true devotee would never make comments about AMMA like this.please dont be in denial about what is right in our faces.spirituality faces reality fearlessly!it doesnt deny what is.devotion to something means to love ,adore and surrender to it.i myself admit that i am not yet a true devotee,but i am determined to be one,that is why i still declare that tom is love.you are love.the essence of us all is love,but to not speak up against injustice is to be a coward! we throw around that title AMMA devotee ,but all that say it are not,just as every Guru is not.dear sister,you all must have not read temba's post correctly.i am not upset,reacting,nor unconsciuos in what i am saying.my post have been between AMMA and my very own heart.and also darling daughter of AMMA,you have your dharma and i have mine.if the motive is love then we will meet in the center of the heart.all darmic paths are the path of love,even if it doesnt seem that way. you may have missed the point about disrespecting AMMA.ofcourse no one can harm AMMA.that is not the essence of what i saying.it is not right to allow someone to taint the view of someone new on the path.would you allow this to happen to your chlild if you could prevent it?there are people reading these post that dont post and are influenced by all we say.someone has to be willing to fearlessly stand and point out that some of the behaviors expresssed here are not aligned with spiritual principles.AMMA SAYS TO NOT SPEAK,OR TO JUST ALLOW INJUSTICE TO OCCUR IS TO CONTRIBUTE TO IT.MARTIN LUTHER KING SAID THE SAME THING. there is nothing spiritual about hiding behind spiritual love quots when something is just out right not cool.Lord krisna told arjuna to fight and not be a coward.bully's only bully, as long as the person afraid of him lets them.this is AMMAs forum.tom is not running(bullying)anything! temba has been slandered many times by AMMA's beloved children .our beloved brother is not the only one and there will be many more.there have been people that AMMAs temba have worked with very closely that have expressed there jealousy's and anger over the so-called attention that temba gets.what does this mean in the BIGGER picture?.it is meaningless beloved sister!iright now ,there are children starving!children freezing!children scared!children being stolen and sold into prostitution!children homeless!etc.etc.etc.LETS ALL unite under this one banner of LOVE AND SERVICE to serve the poor and suffering in this country.now that would be devotion!not one person has contacted me about how they can help with the services.there were one ,or two, three years ago.if you all have time to post e-mails to me about staying in the love for tom,why can't you contact about us working together on a service project?is this not what our beloved AMMA wants? what does persucution mean when it is compared to this?absolutely nothing!JESUS said that unless we were willing to carry the cross ,we were not worthy to be called his disciples.AMMAs sun willingly carry's his cross,however, it is not heavy ,because HER strength is always with me.AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AM\ MA,AMMA through HER GRACE ALONE, we will be building homes for AMMAs children right here in n.america this march or sometime close to that!who cares who slanders AMMAs temba when is comes to this? the persecution helps this stuff occur.when i am slandered and my heart remains in the love for the person ,HER GRACE takes me deeper and SHE gives me more service to do.that is why i beg you to look deeper into what i am saying.AMMA only has about three or four services happening in the U.S and SHE has blessed this heart to help start three of them.HER grace is with me always ,no one can taint this heart.i am crazy enough to believe this so it becomes my reality.as long as there is good in this world,the opposing force will always be there lurking.this is just how it is.love you.... Ammachi: Mmrivertalk: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 05:18:07 +0000 Re: MOTHER TERESA POEM dear Temba. . .truly this poem you posted says it all. . .and we haveall gone through this for a couple of years now with Tom being Tom. ..for a couple of years i read the post but never participated because itseemed to have so much toxicity and negativity. . . like you i havefelt sad and confused by the ongoing hatefulness that has been directedat Amma and those that serve Her. . .but please step back and look at itTemba. . .you are in " really good company " to be on Tom's hit list. . .we are dealing with the dynamics of the 'school yard bully', and Tomknows the buttons to push. . .we can react at his level and reflect backhis aggression. . . or we can just use it for practice. . . " and thistoo " . . .there are some of us that do not have satsang. . . and it would be sonice to have a safe space to be in connection with other Amma devotees.. . but that has been sabatogued so many times. . .have you noticed thateach time just as the group starts to share the postive and interactwith one anther. . .there comes an attack on Amma or one the Swamis. . ..Also there is a pattern that a couple of weeks before Amma comes toAmerica something gets stirred up and each time just when Amma leavesAmerica there will be another flare up. . . .perhaps we are witnessing someone's abandoment issues here. . .Temba what i do trust is that Ammais directing Tom's path just as She is directing ours. . . Maybe Tom'spath is photographic in that the negative is used for development . ..there is an ongoing script that plays over and over again which goessomething like this-- " for Tom to be BIG he must make everyone elsesmall. . . whatever it is . . ..it is ours to accept. . .Tom is one ofAmma's devotees. . .and it is not for us to change him. . .even if wecould. . .but what we can do. . .is not allow the continuing toxicity todetermine the energy of this group. . .we can clean up the toxicity. ..by being true to our Selves and the teachings Amma would have uspractice. . . So my intent and prayer is may we continue to bring thatwhich is good. . .that which allows us to bring forth the best in oneanther . . . ourselves. . . and within the world that we live. . . likeGandhi said. . . " be the change you want to see " . . .Temba so agree with what Max shared. . .i really respect yourcommittment of Heart and Hand to serve Amma. . .this is a story from SriRamakrishna. . .and like Max said. . . nothing Tom can say can reallyhurt Amma. . .but perhaps Tom has figured out that he can express hisanger and hurt at whatever he has projected on to Amma and Her childrenby striking the left side of Amma. . .and when we react. . .he gets tohear the clack. . .God As Mother by Sri RamakrishnaThere are some temples where God is worshipped as Mother. In one ofthese, in the state of Bengal, She is represented by a large stoneimage. The sculptor has carved in stone his idea of the Mother of theUniverse, and many pious people, finding it attractive and inspiring, gothere to pay their respects or make offerings.One day an old monk who used a cane came into the temple. Approachingthe altar he said, speaking aloud to God, " Mother, you are said to beGod; tell me the truth: are you solid like stone — this image? Orare you formless, indescribable and impossible to touch? " " Take your cane, " the monk heard a soft voice saying, " and strike mybody on the left side. " He did, and the cane hit the stone with a clack. " Now strike me from the other side, " She said. When the cane reached thesculpture it passed right through it as if it were air.Aum Amriteswaryai NamahaMay we all be blessed with Amma's grace and love to be in healthyrelationship as brothers and sisters in AMMAmarci--- In Ammachi , temba spirits <tembaspirits wrote:>>> why would someone take something so beautiful and say such things astom has said,but as MOTHER TERESA reminds you and i below,it is betweenme and AMMA ANYWAY.... love,AMMAs sun temba> Mother Teresa's Anyway Poem>> People are often unreasonable, illogical and self centered;Forgivethem anyway.> If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives;Bekind anyway.> If you are successful, you will win some false friends and some trueenemies;Succeed anyway.> If you are honest and frank, people may cheat you;Be honest and frankanyway.> What you spend years building, someone could destroy overnight;Buildanyway.> If you find serenity and happiness, they may be jealous;Be happyanyway.> The good you do today, people will often forget tomorrow;Do goodanyway.> Give the world the best you have, and it may never be enough;Give theworld the best you've got anyway.> You see, in the final analysis, it is between you and your God;It wasnever between you and them anyway.[Reportedly inscribed on the wall ofMother Teresa's children's home in Calcutta, and attributed to> ________> Get more out of the Web. 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