Pine ridge declared disaster area after brutal snow

[Guest guest]

Temba, can you post a link for where people can donate?

 

Max

[Guest guest]

I'm pretty sure I remember the ashram warning about asking for funds in ways

that may confuse charitable efforts with bonafide Amma charities. Since this is

supposedly an Amma list in comparison to the freespeechzone, if you open the

door to one person's efforts you should open it to others and then when will it

end? Or is ok to ask for donations simply by majority approval?

 

I already know some little minded people will see this as an attack against

Temba, so be it.

 

New people perusing the list may confuse it as part of Amma's activities with so

much attention being given it.

 

Ammachi , Max Dashu <maxdashu wrote:

>

> Temba, can you post a link for where people can donate?

>

> Max

>

[Guest guest]

Bonafide Amma charities do not rule out spontaneous giving in cases

of natural disaster. In any case, there was no pretence of this being

an official charity. No one is required to give anything. But

offering help is fitting for an Amma list, which this is, not

supposedly, but in reality.

 

Max

 

>I'm pretty sure I remember the ashram warning about asking for funds

>in ways that may confuse charitable efforts with bonafide Amma

>charities. Since this is supposedly an Amma list in comparison to

>the freespeechzone, if you open the door to one person's efforts you

>should open it to others and then when will it end? Or is ok to ask

>for donations simply by majority approval?

[Guest guest]

Spontaneous giving would be posting a single message with a link to the story.

Temba needs to learn many things, being a neophyte sevite. For starters,

people suffer. He should also be sure that the rez isn't what Amma used to

call " backwards tribal villages " , no pun intended. That is, it's not enough to

give food and shelter if they're so ignorant to perpetuate their suffering. If

things are not being used wisely or maintained (a common problem with people who

'think' they're poor) then service becomes a bottomless money pit.

 

There's plenty of stories in the books when visitors to the ashram would break

the rules and beg from the ashramites, especially to westerners. Amma would

scold them saying not to give or give the money to the office and they'll make

sure someone asking for funds actually needs it. In one case she mentioned the

bad karma if that person used the money for bad things like a drug addiction.

 

I've known people who wouldn't put diapers on their baby or food in the fridge

for their kids because they were saving money for something. It may not happen

in white-collar big-house America, but it's out there.

 

Multiple postings.............

 

Ammachi , Max Dashu <maxdashu wrote:

>

> Bonafide Amma charities do not rule out spontaneous giving in cases

> of natural disaster. In any case, there was no pretence of this being

> an official charity. No one is required to give anything. But

> offering help is fitting for an Amma list, which this is, not

> supposedly, but in reality.

>

> Max

>

[Guest guest]

This is a sad posting Tom. It is hard to know what was said in these teachings.

I know Lord Babaji says be willing to give over your last Sari (or Doti) to

someone in need. Jesus teaches never to turn someone in need away, even if it is

a friend that has a grievance their heart wishes to share, as we are all called

to be representatives of His love, that person by your kindness is sharing their

grievances directly to the Lord if you are quiet and just listen, if you can

help then you will know in your heart if there is a way to help. Do you

think Jesus worried about bad karma? I think this might be a faulty teaching. I

know it is hard to help someone in need, especially if it brings up fear in you,

but this is a good place to look within as the path to peace is to be fearless,

we are to give up our lives to serving others. Can you imagine Saint Francis of

Assisi saying No to anyone for any reason? As far as I have heard he was happy

when an family

threw dog bones on him and mocked him. He said it helped him to have more

humility and he was the first ever to receive the stigmata. I have lived in a

city now for close to 20 years and I used to always give money to the

homeless....at times if it was someone I got to know better, and they stood at a

regular spot, I would offer food or some clothing. We should never be afraid to

help someone in need, and out of trust and love it seems fair for all of us and

Temba to turn towards Ammachi, as she is the one teaching and encouraging

charity. I think if you are constantly in the process of worrying  about getting

karma, then you are not proactive enough, either questioning truth when you see

untruth, which everyone is allowed to and encouraged to do with a teacher, or

just quietly helping others in anyway that you see needed. Temba needs to bring

this to our attention as possibly someone on this list knows how to take care of

this very sad and dire

situation.

 

In peace,

Stacee

 

 

 

 

________________________________

bluepearllight <bluepearllight

Ammachi

Fri, January 8, 2010 10:13:46 AM

Re: Pine ridge declared disaster area after brutal snow

 

Spontaneous giving would be posting a single message with a link to the story. 

Temba needs to learn many things, being a neophyte sevite.  For starters, people

suffer.  He should also be sure that the rez isn't what Amma used to call

" backwards tribal villages " , no pun intended.  That is, it's not enough to give

food and shelter if they're so ignorant to perpetuate their suffering.  If

things are not being used wisely or maintained (a common problem with people who

'think' they're poor) then service becomes a bottomless money pit.

 

There's plenty of stories in the books when visitors to the ashram would break

the rules and beg from the ashramites, especially to westerners.  Amma would

scold them saying not to give or give the money to the office and they'll make

sure someone asking for funds actually needs it.  In one case she mentioned the

bad karma if that person used the money for bad things like a drug addiction.

 

I've known people who wouldn't put diapers on their baby or food in the fridge

for their kids because they were saving money for something.  It may not happen

in white-collar big-house America, but it's out there.

 

Multiple postings.............

 

Ammachi , Max Dashu <maxdashu wrote:

>

> Bonafide Amma charities do not rule out spontaneous giving in cases

> of natural disaster. In any case, there was no pretence of this being

> an official charity. No one is required to give anything. But

> offering help is fitting for an Amma list, which this is, not

> supposedly, but in reality.

>

> Max

>

 

 

 

---

 

 

[Guest guest]

i already did beloved max and so did armananth.

 

 

Ammachi

maxdashu

Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:09:01 -0800

Re: Pine ridge declared disaster area after brutal snow

 

 

 

 

 

Temba, can you post a link for where people can donate?

 

Max

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

i have posted a phone # with info. to give to the propane company for people

to donate directly to company.If someone would prefer to donate to

www.naturescompassion.com they can do as well.

 

 

 

please do not send any checks to the propane company,only make debit,or credit

transaction's. we have sent checks before and lost the money.when you do it by

debit,or credit you we can track it perfectly.

 

 

 

hope this is clear

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ammachi

maxdashu

Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:09:01 -0800

Re: Pine ridge declared disaster area after brutal snow

 

 

 

 

 

Temba, can you post a link for where people can donate?

 

Max

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I'm sure there's people in your own community that need the same help. Stop

being inspired by some online discussion group and do the real work in your

community. That's the order of Dharma. You don't send funds to some far off

place if people in your state or community are suffering the same.

 

Yes it is sad, but not what I'm saying. I'm making clear that the org

supports popularity contests instead of reason.

 

I've been very clear as to the appearance of what's going on, versus what's

actually going on. That was the original spirit of the ashram's statement on

the matter. By the Ammocracy declaring it " ok " then others may be (mis)led

into thinking it's ok, whether or not it is, is not the issue. No amount of

majority can change reality.

 

Ammachi , Stacee Kramer <stacee.kramer wrote:

>

> This is a sad posting Tom. It is hard to know what was said in these

teachings. I know Lord Babaji says be willing to give over your last Sari (or

Doti) to someone in need. Jesus teaches never to turn someone in need away, even

if it is a friend that has a grievance their heart wishes to share, as we are

all called to be representatives of His love, that person by your kindness is

sharing their grievances directly to the Lord if you are quiet and just listen,

if you can help then you will know in your heart if there is a way to help. Do

you think Jesus worried about bad karma? I think this might be a faulty

teaching. I know it is hard to help someone in need, especially if it brings up

fear in you, but this is a good place to look within as the path to peace is to

be fearless, we are to give up our lives to serving others. Can you imagine

Saint Francis of Assisi saying No to anyone for any reason? As far as I have

heard he was happy when an family

> threw dog bones on him and mocked him. He said it helped him to have more

humility and he was the first ever to receive the stigmata. I have lived in a

city now for close to 20 years and I used to always give money to the

homeless....at times if it was someone I got to know better, and they stood at a

regular spot, I would offer food or some clothing. We should never be afraid to

help someone in need, and out of trust and love it seems fair for all of us and

Temba to turn towards Ammachi, as she is the one teaching and encouraging

charity. I think if you are constantly in the process of worrying  about getting

karma, then you are not proactive enough, either questioning truth when you see

untruth, which everyone is allowed to and encouraged to do with a teacher, or

just quietly helping others in anyway that you see needed. Temba needs to bring

this to our attention as possibly someone on this list knows how to take care of

this very sad and dire

> situation.

>

> In peace,

> Stacee

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> bluepearllight <bluepearllight

> Ammachi

> Fri, January 8, 2010 10:13:46 AM

> Re: Pine ridge declared disaster area after brutal snow

>

> Spontaneous giving would be posting a single message with a link to the

story.  Temba needs to learn many things, being a neophyte sevite.  For

starters, people suffer.  He should also be sure that the rez isn't what Amma

used to call " backwards tribal villages " , no pun intended.  That is, it's not

enough to give food and shelter if they're so ignorant to perpetuate their

suffering.  If things are not being used wisely or maintained (a common problem

with people who 'think' they're poor) then service becomes a bottomless money

pit.

>

> There's plenty of stories in the books when visitors to the ashram would break

the rules and beg from the ashramites, especially to westerners.  Amma would

scold them saying not to give or give the money to the office and they'll make

sure someone asking for funds actually needs it.  In one case she mentioned the

bad karma if that person used the money for bad things like a drug addiction.

>

> I've known people who wouldn't put diapers on their baby or food in the fridge

for their kids because they were saving money for something.  It may not happen

in white-collar big-house America, but it's out there.

>

> Multiple postings.............

>

> Ammachi , Max Dashu <maxdashu@> wrote:

> >

> > Bonafide Amma charities do not rule out spontaneous giving in cases

> > of natural disaster. In any case, there was no pretence of this being

> > an official charity. No one is required to give anything. But

> > offering help is fitting for an Amma list, which this is, not

> > supposedly, but in reality.

> >

> > Max

> >

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

[Guest guest]

beloved tom,you are just unaware and that is ok.until you have traveled to a

reservation yourself i could see you making such statements.you have not

offended me.you are simply ignorant.

 

your attitude continues to give power to what we are doing.your behavior is

perfect.what i am about to say will take a subtle eye to see.The native plight

in this country is the root plight.

 

In a city where there is poverty,people in this condition have access to

being able to pan handle at a Mcdonalds,or out side of a grocery store.On a

reservation there is no such thing.people have to walk miles in order to get to

a store and then there is no begging unless it is from outside tourist.

 

a reservation is a prisoner of war camp.do you understand this dear brother?The

wealth of this country was built on the backs of slaves and and the rapping of

the land of the natives.

 

for example: i am currently living in Grass vallley Ca. which is the place

where the first Gold Rush took place. When the minors came here,they rapped

Mother-earth of HER gold and slaughtered the natives doing it.The Midu tribe

went from thousands to about 60 of them left.Other tribes where totally wiped

out.

 

 

Do you not think that this Karma needs to be healed beloved brother?We are

inviting an attitude of compassion not guilt.This situation is bigger then

helping our local neighborhoods.this is about healing the Root Chakra of this

country.This call is a call for all people of all colors and cultures in this

country!

 

There have been many sages that have stated this,beloved brother.Many sages

from India have stated that until the Native situation is dealt with in this

country,our success will be very limited.

 

What we offer in our request for support in this situation is a better world

for all of our children.Until we go to the root of the problem,it will only be

like taking a aspirin.

 

 

The Natives taught us how to live over 7 generations ago.this was done through

the energy of compassion.they saw us not surviving and they offered us LIFE.this

includes you to tom.your ancestors were a part of this.and if not ,the essence

of the point still remains.

 

Now we can like a CIRCLE OF COMPASSION give LIFE to them in the same way and

honor their rich Culture as we should have done many moons ago.love,AMMAs sun

temba.

 

Tom is LOVE,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMA,AMMMA......

 

p.s thousands are waking up to this and it cannot be stopped! i am doing a

major press release on this topic soon and a many articles and t.v shows will be

emerging soon.

 

Tom the native plight is all of our plight!you have to dig deep.go deeper

beloved.

 

and it is also beautiful to serve our surrounding community's.We can do more,as

AMMA has told us.Stretch your faith a little.

 

you may not be aware of ALL the prophecy's circulating that this would

happen,but many are beloved.this cannot be stopped and why would anyone want it

to be.

 

THIS IS THE " GREAT CIRCLE OF COMPASSION " WE ARE MENDING THE SACRED

HOOP!!!!!!!!!

 

my GURU AMMA has given us HER full blessing to travel to SACRED PATH!!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ammachi

bluepearllight

Sat, 9 Jan 2010 20:07:46 +0000

Re: Pine ridge declared disaster area after brutal snow

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm sure there's people in your own community that need the same help.

Stop being inspired by some online discussion group and do the real work in your

community. That's the order of Dharma. You don't send funds to some far off

place if people in your state or community are suffering the same.

 

 

 

Yes it is sad, but not what I'm saying. I'm making clear that the org

supports popularity contests instead of reason.

 

 

 

I've been very clear as to the appearance of what's going on, versus what's

actually going on. That was the original spirit of the ashram's statement on

the matter. By the Ammocracy declaring it " ok " then others may be (mis)led

into thinking it's ok, whether or not it is, is not the issue. No amount of

majority can change reality.

 

 

 

Ammachi , Stacee Kramer <stacee.kramer wrote:

 

>

 

> This is a sad posting Tom. It is hard to know what was said in these

teachings. I know Lord Babaji says be willing to give over your last Sari (or

Doti) to someone in need. Jesus teaches never to turn someone in need away, even

if it is a friend that has a grievance their heart wishes to share, as we are

all called to be representatives of His love, that person by your kindness is

sharing their grievances directly to the Lord if you are quiet and just listen,

if you can help then you will know in your heart if there is a way to help. Do

you think Jesus worried about bad karma? I think this might be a faulty

teaching. I know it is hard to help someone in need, especially if it brings up

fear in you, but this is a good place to look within as the path to peace is to

be fearless, we are to give up our lives to serving others. Can you imagine

Saint Francis of Assisi saying No to anyone for any reason? As far as I have

heard he was happy when an family

 

> threw dog bones on him and mocked him. He said it helped him to have more

humility and he was the first ever to receive the stigmata. I have lived in a

city now for close to 20 years and I used to always give money to the

homeless....at times if it was someone I got to know better, and they stood at a

regular spot, I would offer food or some clothing. We should never be afraid to

help someone in need, and out of trust and love it seems fair for all of us and

Temba to turn towards Ammachi, as she is the one teaching and encouraging

charity. I think if you are constantly in the process of worrying about getting

karma, then you are not proactive enough, either questioning truth when you see

untruth, which everyone is allowed to and encouraged to do with a teacher, or

just quietly helping others in anyway that you see needed. Temba needs to bring

this to our attention as possibly someone on this list knows how to take care of

this very sad and dire

 

> situation.

 

>

 

> In peace,

 

> Stacee

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> ________________________________

 

> bluepearllight <bluepearllight

 

> Ammachi

 

> Fri, January 8, 2010 10:13:46 AM

 

> Re: Pine ridge declared disaster area after brutal snow

 

>

 

> Spontaneous giving would be posting a single message with a link to the story.

Temba needs to learn many things, being a neophyte sevite. For starters, people

suffer. He should also be sure that the rez isn't what Amma used to call

" backwards tribal villages " , no pun intended. That is, it's not enough to give

food and shelter if they're so ignorant to perpetuate their suffering. If

things are not being used wisely or maintained (a common problem with people who

'think' they're poor) then service becomes a bottomless money pit.

 

>

 

> There's plenty of stories in the books when visitors to the ashram would break

the rules and beg from the ashramites, especially to westerners. Amma would

scold them saying not to give or give the money to the office and they'll make

sure someone asking for funds actually needs it. In one case she mentioned the

bad karma if that person used the money for bad things like a drug addiction.

 

>

 

> I've known people who wouldn't put diapers on their baby or food in the fridge

for their kids because they were saving money for something. It may not happen

in white-collar big-house America, but it's out there.

 

>

 

> Multiple postings.............

 

>

 

> Ammachi , Max Dashu <maxdashu@> wrote:

 

> >

 

> > Bonafide Amma charities do not rule out spontaneous giving in cases

 

> > of natural disaster. In any case, there was no pretence of this being

 

> > an official charity. No one is required to give anything. But

 

> > offering help is fitting for an Amma list, which this is, not

 

> > supposedly, but in reality.

 

> >

 

> > Max

 

> >

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> ---

 

>

 

>

[Guest guest]

Aum Amriteshwaryai Namah!

Aum Namah Shivaya,

 

There is some apparent misunderstanding of the plight of the Native Americans is

clearly lacking in real information or facts.

 

The majority of Americans who are poor are the working poor who work more then 2

jobs and make minimum wage. Many are young families where the parents are quite

young. A larger percentage are in the Deep South and of course the reservations

and Appalachia.

 

The reservations cannot get any government funding so their plight is even

worst. There are also many students who cannot get medical care due to age and

go without treatment. Many students cannot get covered on health insurance and

therefore are suffering as well.

 

The other majority are seniors and children. Seniors who worked their whole

lives and cannot earn enough on SSI to make ends meet or who have medical bills

that are larger than what is provided to them. They have this " donut hole " that

forces them to pay out of pocket with money they do not usually have. Seniors

often have to choose between food and medicine. Children and seniors make up the

largest proportion of the poor in America.

 

If you want to donate to the Native Americans- this charity is rated 95% and I

send them lots of clothing, etc. They help take food and clothing to 5

reservations of which Pine Ridge is comprised.I'm so excited I just received

their letter and apparently my clothing and toys reached them before Christmas!

 

http://www.naha-inc.org/naha_program_voucher.html

 

If you donate clothing, send it to NAHA, 12085 Quaal Rd, Black Hawk, SD 57718.

 

Native Americans are proud and do not ask for much. But when people cannot find

jobs-not due to their own fault, it's pretty blindsided to make a sweeping

judgement that everyone is just looking for a handout.

 

When we have homeless in America because they lost their homes and jobs, again,

it's shameless to blame them. The plight in the U.S. is currently not very good

with over 10% unemployment. Very few people scam welfare. The majority are

disabled, elderly, ill or poor. You will find that most people in these

situations want to work. I have worked with the poor and people feel badly that

they cannot make ends meet. They want jobs, they want to provide for their

families. But if they cannot find a job, blaming them is pretty coldhearted and

shameless. Here in our city there are tent cities on the riverfront of homeless

with children. Many are also living in abandoned buildings.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States

 

13 to 17% of America is living in poverty now at any given time.

 

Ignorance is not bliss.

 

in Amma,

Adriane

 

 

Ammachi , " bluepearllight " <bluepearllight wrote:

>

> Spontaneous giving would be posting a single message with a link to the story.

Temba needs to learn many things, being a neophyte sevite. For starters,

people suffer. He should also be sure that the rez isn't what Amma used to

call " backwards tribal villages " , no pun intended. That is, it's not enough to

give food and shelter if they're so ignorant to perpetuate their suffering. If

things are not being used wisely or maintained (a common problem with people who

'think' they're poor) then service becomes a bottomless money pit.

>

> There's plenty of stories in the books when visitors to the ashram would break

the rules and beg from the ashramites, especially to westerners. Amma would

scold them saying not to give or give the money to the office and they'll make

sure someone asking for funds actually needs it. In one case she mentioned the

bad karma if that person used the money for bad things like a drug addiction.

>

> I've known people who wouldn't put diapers on their baby or food in the fridge

for their kids because they were saving money for something. It may not happen

in white-collar big-house America, but it's out there.

>

> Multiple postings.............

>

> Ammachi , Max Dashu <maxdashu@> wrote:

> >

> > Bonafide Amma charities do not rule out spontaneous giving in cases

> > of natural disaster. In any case, there was no pretence of this being

> > an official charity. No one is required to give anything. But

> > offering help is fitting for an Amma list, which this is, not

> > supposedly, but in reality.

> >

> > Max

> >

>