Guest guest Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 Dear Sadakas Pranams. Kindly clarify my doubts on the nature of soul!!!!! As per karma the soul takes rebirth and this cycle goes endless unless we merge with the ultimate. But I am astonished to see the quality of the soul is so complex that how it carries so minute information about our grossness and wishes to the next life with out a body ?? How this information is getting tranferred into our next life though the real body not available ???. Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 > How this information is getting tranferred into our > next life though the real body not available ???. Krishnaji, the physical body isnt our real body! We have 3 bodies( & 5 sheaths, but I wont go into that). Beneath the Physical is the Astral, also called the Dream body. This is the one the travels during dreams to different places. Beneath is the Causal body. The Causal(or the cause of our being born) contains all the Karma. These Karma exist as thought impressions & patterns in our & the Universal subconcious. Regarding rebirth, there is a great mis-conception, actively propagated by out Gurus, & even by some of the scriptures, which goes something like this " Due to good Karma, people get to spend time in heaven, then when their Karma runs out, they are kicked to Earth " . Nothing could be further from the truth! There is no automatic, government office type process whereby someone measures your Karma, & gives you toffee if you were good, slaps if you were bad! Each soul, when it reaches the Astral World(only high level Sadhaks can reach the Causal world/body), meet with spiritual guides. They review their life, all the mistakes they made. Then they choose what lessons they need to learn, & out of all their Karma, select the ones that will help them learn. Next they choose their parents, & are born. Thats why we Hindus dont blame God for our misery- whats Gods fault! We chose certain Karma to learn certain lessons- good or bad. Of course, there is no compulsion to be born- we choose to be born, no one forces us. Many people choose not to- but they will remain as they are. Spirits dont exist in time- our concept of time doesnt exists for them. If they choose not to be born, they remain as they are for millions of our years. Imagine waking up everyday, living same life, same day, same view everyday. Thats why these spirits get bored & want to be born here. But if they do choose to be born, they have to accept the Law of Nature COMPLETELY. This includes bringing in helping society, bringing in new souls(by birth), & helping spread Dharma. A life that is not spent looking for God is a life wasted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 , " srcm_tdk " <srcm_tdk wrote: > > Dear Sadakas > Krishna > Soul does not do any work directly, it has its tools ego,mind, body and organs. Mind is divided into three parts mind, intelligence and Chitta.... sub-conscious is imperfect translation of chitta, but still the nearest. Hypnotism has proved that any memory...even of the last birth can be brought out of sub-conscious during hypnotic sessions. The conscious memory is relieved of old and unused memories and these are stored in sub-conscious. Later experiments proved that even those things, which never came to our conscious mind...were also stored in our sub-conscious....like if we are passing through a road and not watching anything..consciously still all the images the eyes see and transmit to the brain are stored in sub-conscious Thus our chitta is a big store houses having all the gross memories of all lives, our sanskaras, our vrittis, desires and results of earlier karma. When we die, only the physical body is left behind. the soul covered by Ego takes our Chitta, mind, intelligence and subtle organs (sukshma indriyas) with it. The Prana make a covering over these and our Sukshma Sharira goes over to astral worlds and finally takes birth with the same chitta, same mind and same intelligence. The gross memories of past birth are pushed back down into the store house of chitta, and we start our new birth with new memories and new experiences. As shantanu wrote, the higher beigs at astral leves decide our next birth, is true... but true for higher souls only. For a common person, who has not advanced on path of sadhna, the next birth is decided at the time of death. we may further explore this interesting topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 True Babaji, our Karma as stored as thought patterns in the Chitta....advanced Yogis are taught to directly access the Chitta, so they can see their previous lives, & decide which Karmas to fulfill. This way, after they have have exhausted all the Karma of this life, they go into Chit & start bringing up previous Karma. Our Chit just doesnt store Karma, but all thought impressions we have ever recieved. Some of these are useless, & will never be used. There is another secret method whereby Tantrics go into the depth of their Chit, & release old Vrittis. Since these energies were holding up energy, a lot of energy is released, which can be used for spiritual upliftment(eg cleaning chakras) or to get Siddhis. Of course, this method isnt without its risk, inluding running foul of lower beings who live in the Underworld, & dont like just anyone coming in & messing with their world......... I have heard that even ordinary people have spiritual guides, who tell them what mistakes they made in their life, & how they can rectify them in next life. Of course, after taking birth, most people just ignore this advice! Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 Hypnosis never reveals anything of previous birth. Hypnosisis astate of " highest suggestibility " . A hypnotysed person hears,speaks, writes and behaves as dictated by the hypnotist unrelatedto reality. If the hypnotiser suggests neem issweet the hypnotised person agrees. Many hypnotists are money mongers and suggest their customers what they had been in their previous birth and the hypnotised person startsssaying what was suggested. All those who claimed to know their previous birth through hypnotic trance are celebrities paid well and clain celebrity in previous birth also. Not a single hypnotised person claimed to have been a dog or a pig in previous birth. ijswamy beirut_ka_baba <no_reply > wrote: Hypnotism has proved that any memory...even of the last birth can be brought out of sub-conscious during hypnotic sessions. The Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 , " J.SWAMY IRAGAVARAPU " <jiragavarapu wrote: > > Hypnosis never reveals anything of previous birth. Hypnosisis http://www.inplainsite.org/html/past_life_recall.html Yes i accept most of the hypnotists misuse and trick the public...but there are certain genuine cases, where in hypnotic trance, one went beyond the suggestions and started revealing his past lives. Internet is full of such cases However, our subject here is not hypnotism, but past lives. Yogis can see their past lives clearly during meditation. Many sadhaka see glimpses of their past lives in visions or in dreams. I invite your comments on the real question as to how soul remembers minute details. with love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 Soul isa full element with mind only a minute part of it for a brief time of one`s life. Soul is the potential DIVINITY in our being. A single soul of a human (jeevaathma) ultimately joins the universal cosmic soul (paramaathma). So our soul can achieve anything.Soul can focus on minute things.That`s why I say soul can`t be revealed in a session of hypnosis of fixed time by hypnotists but only by deepest hypnosis like prolonged meditation of a Saadhaka . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2007 Report Share Posted June 10, 2007 , " J.SWAMY IRAGAVARAPU " <jiragavarapu wrote: That`s why I say soul can`t be revealed in a session of hypnosis of fixed time by hypnotists but only by deepest hypnosis like prolonged meditation of a Saadhaka . > Dr.saheb, i think you have not read my post carefully.. I have no where written that Soul can be revealed by hypnotism. " I wrote that memories of sub-conscious can be brought out by hypnotism " Soul reveals itself and meditationn is the only way.. is my belief too. with love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Om Namah Shivaya. ShantnuJi, Namaskar. You explained wonderfully reg the rebirth of souls which reach the astral world and there is no automatic system to rebirth. but what about the normal souls which doesnot reach the astral world? what system or factor whcih decides on the rebirht of these souls? Thanks Shivaya Namah Aum. Thiruchitrambalam. Senthil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 > about the normal souls which doesnot reach the astral world? > what system or factor whcih decides on the rebirht of these souls? All souls reach the astral world. There are many layers in the astral world, & reach the layer depending on your spiritual advancement. You are confusing the astral world with heaven. If you know of the 5 sheaths, its just the Pranmaya/Manomaya Lok, where we automatically go when we drop physical body(annamaya sheath). This is sort of a rest period, where even the animals go before they are re born. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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