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, s_kumar_12345 <no_reply wrote:

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> Hello everyone I have a question on the Gita- when Krishna was

 

Dear Kumar,

 

Gita, when we read, takes a lot of time, but there in the

battlefiled, it might have taken a few moments. some people do say

that some chapters (reg Sankhya yoga and gyan yoga etc) were later

added by Shankracharya... what ever is the truth, Geeta remains a

precis of all the Upanishadas.... and a wonderful piece of

spirituality.

 

shri Krishna himself was Mahakaal, time was his slave. when he

could hide the Sun, for getting Jaydrathh killed, nothing is

impossible for Him.

 

also in other dimensions of the universe, we do not observe the

time observed by earthlings. Their duration and speed of time is

very different at different astral levels.

 

I will site two examples of my own experience. Once during my

sadhna, I went into vision stage and reached an astral level, talked

to astral being there for almost 30 minutes . On coming back, i was

shocked to see that i absented for just a moment...which looked half

an hour in another plane of existence.

 

On another occassion, I just saw a momentary vision for about 1

second, and on waking up I found 3 hours have passed.

 

If a beginner sadhaka like me was so ditched by time you can think

of God himself teaching geeta to his most dear one!!!

 

So time oberseved by us, has no value at other astral levels.

Our perception of time is linked to sun, how long the earth takes to

have a round around SUN. This is certainly not the case on other

dimensions of existence.

 

Geeta was thus, spoken by Krishna by taking Arjuna to a high

Astral plane, where speech is absent. Only telepathic thoughts are

transferred from one person to the other. Besides Arjuna, only

Sanjay could hear what Krishna was speaking, because he was trained

before to be in that transce state, and listen to the conversations

held at higher levels... which is called Divya Drishti

 

This is open to questions/suggestions

 

with my Love

 

baba

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True Babaji, thats a good answer!

 

Its obvious Krishn spoke to Arjun in telepathy, as if had spoken out

loud, everyone else would have come to hear what was going on, &

everyone would have joined in, & there would have been a big debate,

where every idiot who had ever read any book could participate(the way

it happens in India nowdays)!

 

In fact, Gita would have proably been lost, if it hadnt been for

Sanjay, as Krishna refused to re-state it when Arjun asked him to do

it for his brothers.

 

So in truth the only person who " heard " the Gita was Dhritrashtra(via

Sanjay).

 

I think I posted sometime ago about the 4 levels of speech: Vaikhari

is the outspoken word, the lowest speech & used only by most

unspiritual people. Madhyama is the mental level of speech. Above that

is Pashyanti, where speech is as feelings & impressions. People who

understand Pashyanti can understand all languages, even animals

language, as all language derive from here.

 

Finally is Para speech, which is what high level Rishis & Devas use.

 

The lower the speech, the more suspectible it is to misunderstanding,

which is why the ancient Rishis refused to set things down in writing,

as they knew it would get corrupted & twisted around by people. So

they helped the student reach a level where he could understand

Pashyanti or Para & then told him the Secrets of Hinduism in that.

This way there was no misunderstanding, no corruption, no personal

opinion.

 

The fact that we have so many commentaries on the Gita, most of which

disagree with each other, is due to fact most of the " masters " who

wrote these commentaries were working on the lower levels of speech,

where doubt, misunderstanding & opinion exist.

 

There is no doubt would have spoken to Arjun in Para speech.

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Hi all,

 

There is also story of Shri Krishna showing the Vishwa Rupa (His real image)

during the Gita updesha, which few people like Bheeshma could see, can some one

elobrate on it please ?

 

thanks

shirish

 

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gita as resfered in question is not story but extract

of hinduphilosophy to rely in all moment of life not

only mahabharat

it is unversal truth

had it been only told for arjun in mahabharat how come

it is now the guideline of all prcticeners of hindu philosophy

 

 

 

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viswa rupa of god is personification for understaning

tha he omnipresebt omniscient and omnipotent that is

simplest understanding for almighty god

 

 

 

 

 

 

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, shirish jorapur <sjorapur wrote:

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Dear Shirish,

 

This happened when shri Krishna visited pre-Mahabhaat war to try

for peace and Duryodhana wanted to arrest him. then he showed his

viraat swaroop.

 

Only higher souls saw it(Bhishma, vidur,droncharya etc)...others

like duryodhan and karan only saw a blazing light and could see

nothing.

 

 

during the war of Mahabharat only Arjuna and sanjay saw viraat swarup,

because that was not for every body

 

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Shirishji, Krishna showed him His real form, as the whole Universe,

which can only be seen once your Agya chakra is fully open(in the

gita, Krishna gives Arjun divya eyes , - this means Krishna

temporarily opened his agya chakra or 3rd eye).

 

Bheesma, Vidur, had through their own Sadhna & Satwik lifestyle opened

their 3rd eye, so they could see Krishna in his real form.

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Shancer / Baba,

 

Was Krishna's Real Form a Vishnu rupa ? (since He was avtar of Vishnu) or was

it a Supreme soul ( combination of Brahma/Vishnu/Mahesh) ?

Because according to our mythology very few blessed ones had the opportunity to

see Him in His real Rupa, otherwise He has always appeared in one of the avatars

(incarnation).

 

Thanks,

Shirish

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> Was Krishna's Real Form a Vishnu rupa ? (since He was avtar of

>Vishnu) or was it a Supreme soul ( combination of

 

Krishna is both- the Universal soul, & the body of the universe. How?

This is only known through meditation! The highest being is both in

the Universe, & beyond it, at the same time, which makes it so hard to

understand him mentally.

 

> Because according to our mythology very few blessed ones had the

>opportunity to see Him in His real Rupa, otherwise He has always

>appeared in one of the avatars (incarnation).

 

All people who attain enlightenment see the Universal soul(Shiv,

Krishna) in its full form. In one second they understand the universe,

why it exists, how it works. But they cant explain it to others, which

is why most scriptures are written by 2nd class people who had lower

attainments/visions.

 

The writers of the Vedas/Upanishads came closest, when they said " I am

that " , " That, you are " .

 

I read an interesting thing about knowing God: " Those who know about

it, speak not; those who speak, know not " .

 

Shantnu

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Shree Krishna wanted to show the truth to Arjun only.

 

He was the perfect friend,perfect disciple. It does not matter to God

Krishna

 

if some people come up with this idea that this event did not took

place.

 

God need not to give the words of wisdom to everybody.

 

 

, s_kumar_12345 <no_reply wrote:

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> Hello everyone I have a question on the Gita- when Krishna was

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hi!kumar i myself hve askd this question many a time,but no favourable

reply ,let me tell u what i guess is the answer,its believed that

this human world would last until men r of the size of ur thumb,and

possess no mere powers,and bhim(pandavas)was as tall as a palm

tree,and had the strength of 1000 elephants,so they posses really gr8

powers,one of them which we don't understand must have helped.or lord

must have used his powers to silence the battle.....

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Hey!Mr kumar,i asked my cousin d sane question and this was what she

told me "

The GITA was spoken when the pandavas were in their vanavas.....and

arjuna was the only one who took the astras from the peepal tree and

was charioteered by lord krishna.....as we all know everything is done

under his control....we can say that krishna in order to enlighten the

world told geetha....don't make everything logical....think some of

the things in life spritually and emotionally.....ok take care

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> hi!kumar i myself hve askd this question many a time,but no favourable

> reply ,let me tell u what i guess is the answer,its believed that

 

Hi angel there have been many favourable replies to this question,

please read the whole thread.

 

love

Shantnu

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