Part 2 (conversations between aya and bhakta)

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Bhakta: Dear Aya why do we get trances?

 

Aya: What do you mean?

 

Bhakta: Yes the deities come upon the people.

 

Aya: What happens after that?

 

Bhakta: Hmmm...some will thereafter 'samiadran' (seeing others as the

deity). It is like possession also.

 

Aya: At the time of the possession, what comes upon them?

 

Bhakta: They say it is tata, sangli karupan, madurai veeran etc.

 

Aya: Who is Madurai Veeran and Sangli Karupan actually?

 

B: Aya, you know this and yet ask me.

 

Aya: No, no, I am not testing you. I need to know only.

 

B: Madurai Veeran is a warrior from Madurai. He was finally betrayed

by the king who got his limbs cut off. However so Veeran was faithful

to the king as to rid the city of Sangli Karupan. Sangli Karupan also

was like robinhood but met death at the hands of Veeran. It is

Veeran's loyalty to the king which made him follow his orders even

though he was betrayed by the selfsame king.

 

Aya: So it is also like the Hang Tuah story. In it Hang Tuah will

follow the orders of the king without question to kill Hang Jebat due

to this loyalty also. Like Veeran Tuah also was betrayed.

 

B: Yes, sometimes Datuk also comes in trances. Maybe its the Hang

Tuah which comes. They call it keramat.

 

Aya: Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha...

 

B: Why are you laughing?

 

Aya: No, it is just amusing.

 

B: Why so, have I said anything wrong?

 

Aya: My child. What you have said is a story of loyalty by warriors

to kings. Many cultures have such epics. It can be true, it can be

otherwise also. But you can find many warriors with absolute loyalty.

But was not Madurai Veeran a human being?

 

B: Yes, he was.

 

Aya: Are you not a human being?

 

B: I am human also.

 

Aya: What happens after we die?

 

B: You have said we get incarnated according to our karmam, but if

attaining mukthi we will merge with Iraivan and are indistinct from

it.

 

Aya: As such Madurai Veeran is a soul only. Don't we have a soul?

 

B: Yes we do.

 

Aya: If we were to meet in an accident and lose a limb, thereafter

let us say we die and come back again, if we acquire a fully

functioning body will we act as limbless?

 

B: No, we operate with the limb.

 

Aya: Do we act as young or old even if we died old?

 

B: The born baby is a baby alone.

 

Aya: But what do the samiadis do?

 

B: They behave as old, sometimes limbless and give arul vakku.

 

Aya: Anybody can act like that, can this determine if really any soul

has come?

 

B: But what they say sometimes comes true. They also know of things.

 

Aya: What are you talking about? They have only demonstrated human

powers only. Has anyone talked in any language not understood? For

example if a soul knows Russian and comes, even if we do not know

Russian we should be able to talk in the language, but does this

happen? They talk in language which the person knows only. Or if you

ask a question to the one in Arul, what is the answer to 332244 x

22109932 can they give an answer? Is not god all knowing? Go and

visit a person who is in trance. Ask this question. Or ask him which

is your exact address? For sure he will babble only and will not know

the answer.

 

B: Unless he knows us beforehand, then he can tell the address.

 

Aya: So take a guy whom he doesn't know. You can see that he even

can't answer these questions. Yet claim to know the intricacies of

your karmam and solve problems. The real thing is that things

coincidentally get solved. The Iraivan pitying the people who are

sincere yet naive and go to those who samiadran solves their

problems. But the one having the trance wrongfully gets the praise

and thinks big of himself. Finally he will get the pride and go down

in Mayai alone. Moreover there is chance of coincidence. Simply

throwing the dice one can predict correctly head and tails. Likewise

when people come with problem, simply saying 'yes, it will be solved'

will also be likewise.

 

B: Are you then telling it is false, there is no such thing as trance?

 

Aya: Have I told you this thing is false. What I have told you is how

they falsify the trance and befool the people. The people go

to 'samiadis' to solve their worldly problem. Does the samiadi teach

people the way to mukthi? Do people get jnanam due to this? Is not

atma jnanam the most priceless gem? Is not realizing Iraivan the

purpose of life?

 

B: Yes, but how does trance comes in?

 

Aya: My child, trance is a period which not all sadhakas go through.

It is a learning process for the sadhaka. It is to impress him that

there exists a thing beyond the physical body. It comes for those who

do dhyanam on the path of amai-apan. During this time the sadhaka

feels automatic movement and feels as if there is someone else

speaking and looking through him. He acquires gait and walk of

different person. The trance is caused by the amsam called Isan

alone. It makes the person to feel like an old person and walk like

that also. Thereafter this trance moves and gives one the trance of

dakshina matha. In this one feels like a woman. The Isan vibrates as

both an old person (walking with a stick and hand on bent back) and a

young person (walking like lion). One can also make the gesture of

holding the udukai and hands shaking violently, holding rudraksha

etc. This state after a while alternates. When leaving it blesses

upon one's own head. Thereafter trances of one's valipadu gurus do

come. Due to this one's avi udal matures fast. It is where one start

to put automatic mudras. These mudras have meanings, but initially

the sadhaka will not know it. Only if the buddhi enters OM will he

know. The trance is a period of help. It is just for this only. It is

not for us to 'samiadran' and give 'arul vaku' to others. This is

foolishness. Without the use of buddhi, nothing can be had. Where

were these samiadis when the westerners invaded India or even here?

None could stand the power of the gun. As such understand the truth.

It is the sadhaka who on his own imagines about this and that Aya,

smokes, drinks etc. He assumes this attributes and acts thus. Then

little by little the actual vibration will leave him and the acting

will begin.

 

B: How long will this last?

 

Aya: It will pass off within a few months. Thereafter if the sadhaka

holds on to it he will not grow. He has learned to pose as the god,

but if you ask him the truth has he realized god? The answer is no

only. Can we lie to our own self? The manasatchi is the witness. Due

to this the power of tava balam which was meant to help him progress

along his sadhana also gets dissipiated by 'samiadran'. So he will be

stuck there alone. Is fame, presence of many disciples, having big

temple etc the measure of realizing Iraivan? It is the capacity of

merging into OM, getting the bliss of Iraivan, having strength to act

according to conscience and burning of one's anava which are the true

measures. This begets compassion, content and equinamity.

 

B: Why is this so? Why do some beget trances and some do not? And

moreover the chances of misled is there also due to this.

 

Aya: It is the karmam which is the reason. The three udals are the

three sulams (trident). Its maturing only gives poorna jnanam. Trance

corresponds to avi udal only. Siddhi are powers only. Don't humans

have intellectual, financial and influential powers? Don't people

misuse these? It is like this also. That is why the ennam (intent)

should be pure. If one wants Iraivan for one's sake, does mananam

(reflection of one's true motive), then the conscience itself is the

teacher. It is due to want of others seeing oneself as deivam that

all these transpire. Then they will say the tata came, aya came and

do much havoc. Understand that I am not telling trance is a fake

experience. It is a genuine spiritual experience. It is due to us

only it gets thwarted. Anywhere you go it will always be like this,

they will say 'tata came, aya came, then the people will give cerut

and drinks. Then the aya will say referring to kali or muniandy

as 'sagotharan' or 'sagothiri' (brother and sister). What is the

meaning of muniswaran, it is the muni which has merged with iswaran

only. Muni means soul. What is the meaning of muniandy, it is the

soul bereft of anything. As such it is said as 'andi'. The true

meaning is that it is bereft of the ego only. Do you know the meaning

of Idumban?

 

B: No...

 

Aya: It means udambil irupavan only. Who is Idumban. He carries the

two poles like kavadi. It is the state of jivatma. The two poles are

living according to conscience and doing sadhanai only. It is due to

this one gets to scale the hill. The hill is the topmost part of the

earth just like the head. It is here that the atma merges with

Jagadamba. It is the state of mukthi. So it is said as the fruit

(palam) and the real benefit (palan). As such the hill is Palani. On

top there is Murugan. Murugan is the buddhi. It is for this he is

known as arumugam. Only if the buddhi reaches the top will the atma

(shivan) know the truth of atma jnana. Hence Murugan is said as

tantai upadesar (teacher of one's father). The atma is the father.

The manam is the mother. The mind knows the world through the five

senses alone. This is the vinayagan. It is also the ganesan. It is

the gana-isan. It is only if the five senses concentrate on one work

we get the success, is that not so?

 

B: Yes.

 

Aya: If it runs hither and tither what will happen?

 

B: We get distracted. So we can't succeed in our task.

 

Aya: As such the unwavering senses are said to be unmoving due to

singular concentration. This is symbolized as heaviness (ganam). A

heavy thing wavers less. What is the largest land animal?

 

B: It is the elephant.

 

Aya: That is why the elephant is chosen to represent this. Can an

elephant be carried by a mouse, the small animal?

 

B: No.

 

Aya: But this symbolization is to show that ganesan has no 'talei

ganam'. That is egoistic pride. It is what which makes one sink into

Maya. Hence it is the real heaviness. Absence of this regardless of

our success makes us not heavy. We will not sink. We will become

light and move upwards only. Hence the mouse is symbolically pulling

the elephant. The singular concentration begets the ganam for one to

merge with the isan.

 

B: Oh.

 

Aya: Yes, everyone regardless of Indian, chinese, white etc know the

world through five senses only. It is only after becoming aware of a

thing we can think of it. Hence man is said to have aruarivu, so this

is arumugam. So Murugan is Vinayagar's brother. The sharp buddhi has

no age, hence it is forever young. Merging in Iraivan, we will not

enter rebirth anymore, hence we are said to become forever immortal

and young. This is the meaning. The buddhi works by willing and

acting on the will, these are the two wives. The beautiful peacock

apart from signifying the beautiful buddhi also is made up of the

word 'mayil'. If we were to add the word 'ila' to mayil it will

become ilamayil which denotes the youthful Murugan. That which has

become 'ila' (nil) is the selfish ego only. Hence Murugan to reach

the peak is naked of the selfish ego. The selfish ego is nil. This is

his naked body (thillai-ambalam). Only by becoming thillaiambalam one

can know thirucitrambalam (god). Thirucitrambalam is the great jothi

and expanse. It denotes god only. God contains all, nothing can

clothe it, hence the synonym of ambalam - nakedness. The karanaudal

which merges from heart takes the shape of the moving flickering

light. This looks like the peacocks tail. It is only when the last

body merges poorna jnanam becomes certain. Hence we taste the fruit

of jnanam said as 'palam ni' which is palani only. Now all these

knowledge is slowly becoming lost and people are becoming intent in

sami-seeing alone. If we are sunk in selfish ego and the mind runs

hither and tither our dyanam will not bear fruit. Without enna arivu

how are we too root out the selfish ego. So understand the purpose of

davam (dhyanam) and how realization is hastened.

 

(silence)

 

B: But sometimes there is disturbance of spirits, hence we need

protection.

 

Aya: What the heck are you talking about. We are spirits also. We are

with bodies. After dying we become spirits, so why the fear? Let me

ask you something. Do chicken, goat and others have spirit?

 

B: Yes they do.

 

Aya: But are you scared of the chicken, goat and animal spirit? We

slaughter and eat these also. It is only when man dies we feel

scared. But the spirit of human we fear even though its the same

spirit only. Moreover the pregnant woman also carries a child with

spirit, does she feel possessed with spirits or knows anything. And

the baby is inside her. So understand this psychology. If one takes

the name of Iraivan sincerely all spirits will leave one. Is not

Iraivan all pervading? Will he listen to you via a medium only? The

true evil spirit is one's selfish ego only. It is that which causes

us to hurt others in pride, anger, jealosy, greed, shame, fear and

disgust. It gets burnt by merging into OM proper. To merge one needs

to utter the mantram of Iraivan with bhakti focussing on the

sulimunai. Thereafter one will experience the anal (perspiration) and

kumbhakam (retention of breathe). Atam (tremor) is also experienced.

Then only will enna arivu dawn and merger accrue. Iraivan is not in

the idol, book learning etc. All these point towards Iraivan. Iraivan

is to be realized alone.

 

.....to be continued