Conversations with Sai... Dr. Hislop 1-4-2005

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CONVERSATIONS WITH SAI - PART 7(Continued from previous issue) SAI: Anything that comes from the cow, a little milk, butter, cheese, is alright for the spiritual aspirant. There is no harm to the cow, and it is of benefit to take it. In Dwapara Yuga, before Kali Yuga, 5680 years back, milk came into favour. Eleven thousand years is the full length of the Kali Yuga.Visitor: Does Kali Yuga still continue?

SAI: Yes.A Visitor: What should be done for my leg? It is still swollen and hurts. SAI: Do not move around and climb on the hills. Take rest.Visitor: Oh. When I climbed to that tree on the hill, I did not realize. SAI: You must take care of the body. Body is like a boat. Life is like a river. On this side is the world; on the other side is God. And so, to reach the other side, that is to reach God, you must maintain this boat carefully. You can keep the boat for any length of time in the water; there is no danger. But if the water comes into the boat, then there is danger. You can

remain in the world for any number of years, but don't let the world take hold. Don't let the world take hold of the inside world. There is the example of the lotus. It stays deep down in the mud. It comes up to the light, and it can't stay without water because it would die. But it does not get mixed up either with the mud or the water. You have seen the lotus; even if the water comes it just goes off again. Now, when they talk of God, they always say 'the lotus eyes, the lotus feet' because of this inner significance.SAI: (to a visitor): If you had fashionable earrings would you wear them?Visitor: Oh, yes, (Sai moves hand and there appears a set of golden, jeweled earrings which he gives to the visitor).SAI: See, they are fashionable, but the value is not high. (Sai now moves over to where the visitor

is sitting and himself places the earrings on her ears. Much exclamation from the individuals in the group.)A Visitor: (who is somewhat bald) Swami, can you grow hair?SAI: (starts to make some comment, but the visitor interrupts).Visitor: No. Just a joke, Swami.Translator: Swami can do anything. Swami says that He gives the earrings to the lady to bring joy in her. The more joy the more the disease will go.SAI: That is the medicine for her. Joy is the medicine. Visitor: I wanted to go to the hill to see the Kalpataru Tree.SAI: This

is the Kalpataru Tree. Swami is the Kalpataru Tree. Swami is able to give anything you want. If you want anything, here is the Tree. This is the gold shop also, and the camera shop! (Much merriment from the group.)A Visitor: Swami's gifts are beautiful, but what if one wants peace of mind?SAI: Only thoughts of God and intense love for Him bring peace. As worldly thoughts diminish, thoughts of God increase. Normally, the mind is all the time desiring these worldly things. As the desires are cut out one by one, the peace becomes stronger. You weave the threads and there is the cloth. If the threads are removed, there is no longer cloth. When there are Godly thoughts, there is peace of mind. Swami cannot give peace of mind; one has to work for it. We do meditation, spiritual practices in this temporary body. Though this body is temporary, you have to use temporary things to realize the

Truth.Visitor: But I wanted to know about peace.SAI: Yes. If the desires are cut off one by one, then there is peace. When the desires go one by one then there is die-mind. Then there is peace of mind. Swami cannot give peace of mind; you must work for it yourselves. First, stop the questioning and ask, 'who am I?'. This is my body, my mind, my intelligence. But who is this 'My'? Who is it that claims the ownership of that which is declared to be 'mine'? 'My' indicates ownership. That 'My' is the life. As long as the life is in the body, there is this connection between the 'my' and the intellect - 'my' body, 'my' house, 'my' land. But the moment you remove the life from the body, there is no 'my' or sense of possession. Life is God. 'Who am I?' The answer is 'I am

God'. The body comes and goes, but the Atma is permanent. The body has birth and death, but the spirit does not have any of these. You reach the stage where you say, 'I am God', but even there, there is duality, 'God and I'. That is not the full Truth. When we breathe, the breath makes the sound of 'So-Hum', 'He am I'. There is still the body consciousness, the 'I'. But in deep sleep, the declaration of 'He' and 'I' falls away and only '0' and 'M' remain, 'Om'; there is only the One.Hislop: One understands this and has for some time, but when does intellectual comprehension change to reality?SAI: It will become reality only when you practise it intensely. You read so much. You do not have to practise all that you read. Take one or two things to practise and then it will become a reality to you. When you go to the hospital, there are so many medicines. You do not have to take all the medicines;

just the ones that are needed for your malady. You do not have to eat all the medicines. Whatever kind of spiritual practices you sincerely want to do, you just take that medicine; do not collect all the other things. Because too much of this book knowledge just leads to doubts and confusion. You get too many doubts asking 'what is this?' and 'what is that?', and you waste a lot of time in this conflict.H: What does the supreme Spiritual Doctor say is the correct medicine for me?SAI: Meditation. For, in meditation you first get sense control. And yoga will help you with the body and when the mind is steady, concentration will come automatically. When you get such concentration, then you get peace of mind.(To be continued…….) (Sharing with Sai Love) Ram.Chugani Ram ChuganiKobe, Japanrgcjp