Guest guest Posted May 26, 1999 Report Share Posted May 26, 1999 In a message dated 5/26/99 5:56:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, yogeshananda writes: << I would also want to discriminate about how the " darkness is made conscious " . >> Dear Swamiji, My take on this is by practicing witness consciousness the darkness is made conscious. I agree with you about figures of light, but I think that Jung is attempting to point out that denial of darkness and focus on the light alone will not bring us to Truth. Keeping in mind that he was a psychiatrist, his statement reminds me of the words, " We are as sick as our secrets. " Positive thinking is a bandaid. If the darkness within is repressed, the light within is also repressed. It is important that we acknowledge and witness both sides of the coin. For me, I acknowledge and witness the darkness, but keep my FOCUS on the light. I also put my defects of character in the hands of God. Also, I have discovered that the dark side is fear-based. When I trace the dark side within to its roots, fear is always its source. The origin of fear is survival. Fear was given to us to help us survive physically, but the ego gets involved and misinterprets various emotions as a threat to survival which arouses fear within and results in inappropriate and ineffective ways of dealing with life...which we all have. Om Shanti! Jody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 1999 Report Share Posted May 26, 1999 >JodyHolly1 > > > " Love without empathy is do-goodism, which is ultimately a form of pride. If >you cannot love people, then leave them alone! > >If you desire anything other than love for another, you can eventually >justify any imaginable cruelty toward this person while invoking your >principles as justification. " > >Philip St. Romain > " Pathways to Serenity " >============================================ > " One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, >but by making the darkness conscious. " --C.G. Jung Dear Jody, The quotation from St. Romain is really excellent, in my opinion. I think I have to take issue with the one from Jung. One CAN become enlightened by imagining figures of light, if they are the right figures, and if other spiritual practices are involved as well. I would also want to discriminate about how the " darkness is made conscious " . Regards, Swami Yogeshananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 1999 Report Share Posted May 26, 1999 Dear Jody, Yes, I totally agree with all of what you have said. Jung has added much to understanding of human nature. One of my pet peeves is that " universal prayer " (Alice Bailey?) which includes the phrase " and seal the door where evil dwells " ... Boy, that's all that's needed for an explosion! Yours, Yogeshananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 1999 Report Share Posted May 27, 1999 > > << I would also want to > discriminate about how the " darkness is made conscious " . >> > > Dear Swamiji, > > My take on this is by practicing witness consciousness the darkness is made > conscious. > > I agree with you about figures of light, but I think that Jung is attempting > to point out that denial of darkness and focus on the light alone will not > bring us to Truth. > > Keeping in mind that he was a psychiatrist, his statement reminds me of the > words, " We are as sick as our secrets. " Positive thinking is a bandaid. If > the darkness within is repressed, the light within is also repressed. yes that's wat spirituality teaches learn to face n acknowledge oneself. I think when u r saying that " Positive Thinking is a band aid " u mean to say that while thinking posititve if we are not aware of darkness than it's not that good. It is > important that we acknowledge and witness both sides of the coin. For me, I > acknowledge and witness the darkness, but keep my FOCUS on the light. I also > put my defects of character in the hands of God. > > Also, I have discovered that the dark side is fear-based. When I trace the > dark side within to its roots, fear is always its source. The origin of fear > is survival. Fear was given to us to help us survive physically, but the > ego gets involved and misinterprets various emotions as a threat to survival > which arouses fear within and results in inappropriate and ineffective ways > of dealing with life...which we all have. Jody that was a deep insight. It's great. May be attachment leads to ego. I think there shouldn't be fear of death also. > Om Shanti! > Jody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 1999 Report Share Posted August 28, 1999 Dear Anurag, Here are quotes from St. Paul: [THE EXPRESSION OF THE PERFECTED MAN] " If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am become as sounding brass, or a clanging cymbal. And if I have the gift of prophesy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. And if I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and if I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profiteth me nothing. Love suffereth long and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not its own, is not provoked, taketh not account of evil; rejoiceth not in unrighteousness, but rejoiceth with the truth; heareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Love never faileth: but whether there be prophesies, they shall be done away; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall be done away. For now we know in part, and we prophesy in part; but when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things. For now we see in a mirror darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know fully even as also I was fully known. But now abideth faith, hope, love, these three: and the greatest of these is love. " I Corinthians, Chapter 13 " If there be therefore any consolation in Christ [the Spirit of Love-Wisdom], if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit; . .. . fulfill ye my joy, that ye be like-minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem the other better than themselves. Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. Let this Mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus [the perfected and Self-realized man or woman]: who, being in the Image of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but made himself of no reputation, and took upon himself the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross [of birth into matter]. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every other name: that at the name of Christ Jesus [the achievement of AT-ONE-MENT] every knee should bend, . . . and that every tongue should confess that Christ Jesus is lord [that the Perfected man is the direct expression of the Inner Lord or Higher Ego], to the glory of God, the Father [the Inner Lord is the direct expression of the Divine Spark]. " Philippians, Chapter 2: 1-11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 1999 Report Share Posted August 30, 1999 Namaste Anurag I think in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, there is a conversation between Yajnavalkya & his wife Maitreyi. There,Yajnavalkya explains why there is love between spouses/children etc... and what are we really in love with, in just a few verses. If I am not wrong, Swami Vivekananda too has delivered a lecture on this beautiful coversation. Let me get back home and search for the exact verses. Till then, Om Shanti Kathi > > Anurag Goel [sMTP:anurag] > Sunday, August 29, 1999 4:10 AM > Ramakrishna > [ramakrishna] Love > > Anurag Goel <anurag > > > Can someone quote something frm the scriptures or the teachings of soem > saint expalining wat does " love " mean ? > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > ONElist: your connection to people who share your interests. > > ------ > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 1999 Report Share Posted August 30, 1999 Even in Panchadhasi, in one of the last few chpaters, there is a beautiful conversation between Yagnavalkya and His wife Maithreyi, on the fact that everyone loves another person or thing for his/her own sake only. K Kathirasan ADM NCS <kathirasan Ramakrishna <Ramakrishna > Monday, August 30, 1999 10:30 AM RE: [ramakrishna] Love >K Kathirasan ADM NCS <kathirasan > >Namaste Anurag > >I think in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, there is a conversation between >Yajnavalkya & his wife Maitreyi. There,Yajnavalkya explains why there is >love between spouses/children etc... and what are we really in love with, in >just a few verses. If I am not wrong, Swami Vivekananda too has delivered a >lecture on this beautiful coversation. Let me get back home and search for >the exact verses. > >Till then, > >Om Shanti >Kathi > >> >> Anurag Goel [sMTP:anurag] >> Sunday, August 29, 1999 4:10 AM >> Ramakrishna >> [ramakrishna] Love >> >> Anurag Goel <anurag >> >> >> Can someone quote something frm the scriptures or the teachings of soem >> saint expalining wat does " love " mean ? >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- >> >> ONElist: your connection to people who share your interests. >> >> ------ >> Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah >> Vivekananda Centre London >> http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >ONElist: home to the world's liveliest email communities. > >------ >Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah >Vivekananda Centre London >http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 1999 Report Share Posted August 30, 1999 Namaste Kathi, Kathi it will be great to hear verses by Yajnavalkya's. Lord will surely help u in this search. On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, K Kathirasan ADM NCS wrote: > K Kathirasan ADM NCS <kathirasan > > Namaste Anurag > > I think in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, there is a conversation between > Yajnavalkya & his wife Maitreyi. There,Yajnavalkya explains why there is > love between spouses/children etc... and what are we really in love with, in > just a few verses. If I am not wrong, Swami Vivekananda too has delivered a > lecture on this beautiful coversation. Let me get back home and search for > the exact verses. > > Till then, > > Om Shanti > Kathi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 1999 Report Share Posted August 30, 1999 Dear subru, Thanks! for the quotes they r really great. with love > subru > > Dear Anurag, > > Here are quotes from St. Paul: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 1999 Report Share Posted September 1, 1999 Dear Anurag, about love and teachings of saint, a few of my favorites are: Oh Living Flame of Love That Tenderly Woundest my Soul in it deepest Center, Perfect me know if it be Thy Will, Break the Web of this Sweet encounter! (Mystical love) (St. John of the Cross, 16th century Christian mystic) ----------------------- XXX ---------------------- " So I fear nothing, neither sword nor flame. No, nothing can trouble my ineffable peace, And the fire of love which consumes my soul Shall never go out!.... " (the fearless quality of Love) (translated from the original French) (St. Therese of Lisieux, 19th century France; also known as The Little Flower) ----------------------- XXX ---------------------- Lord, make me an instrument of Thy peace; Where there is hatred, let me sow charity; Where there is injury, pardon; Where there is error, the truth; Where there is doubt, the faith; Where there is despair, hope; Where there is darkness, light; and Where there is sadness, joy. O, Divine Master, Grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled, as to console; To be understood as to understand; To be loved as to love; For it is in giving that we receive; It is in pardoning that we are pardoned; And it is in dying to ourselves that we are born to eternal life. Amen. (loving others) (Saint Francis of Assisi, Medieval Period) -------------------- XXX ---------------------------- " All my thoughts go toward Thee, all my acts are consecrated to Thee; Thy presence is for me an absolute, immutable, invariable fact, and Thy peace dwells constantly in my heart. Yet I know this state of union is poor and precarious compared with that which it will become possible for me to realize tomorrow... " (Dhyana/Samadhi (focus of mind), as it relates to Will -- to me, related to Love) The Mother (wife of Sri Aurobindo), contemporary ----------------------- XXX ------------------- A note on Saint Francis, somewhere I read of the similarities between Saint Francis and Sri Ramakrishna. Their sensitivity and zeal, and so on. -- Karen Anurag Goel wrote: > Anurag Goel <anurag > > Can someone quote something frm the scriptures or the teachings of soem > saint expalining wat does " love " mean ? > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > ONElist: your connection to people who share your interests. > > ------ > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 1999 Report Share Posted September 1, 1999 anurag, here is another interesting quote on love It is possible through love for man to become God. And when God becomes man, it is due to His love for His beings. -- Meher Baba (contemporary) Anurag Goel wrote: > Anurag Goel <anurag > > Can someone quote something frm the scriptures or the teachings of soem > saint expalining wat does " love " mean ? > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > ONElist: your connection to people who share your interests. > > ------ > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 1999 Report Share Posted September 1, 1999 Dear Karen, That's love. All of then were something. Liked particularly the last one. Thanks! with love, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 1999 Report Share Posted September 3, 1999 Dear Dr. S, I have not [yet] read Bea Bruteau's book called God's Ecstasy, but I ordered a copy because it seemed interesting. (As mentioned in a note to OmTatSat, I mostly read now for satsang, anyway, so I tend to " browse " ). Your statement below really intrigued me. I believe that your might find B. Bruteau's philosophy interesting. She melds science and spirituality, seeing the world as an expression of God's Ecstasy (like Nataraja perhaps?). If anyone cares to correct my impression of Bea B., please do! I have not studied her works, but understand she is a brilliant philosopher, and well as a dear friend of a couple of my friends. Your statement there, Dr. S, reminded me of her. Karen Dr C S Shah wrote: > Dr C S Shah <drcssha > > Anurag Goel <anurag > > <<< Can someone quote something from the scriptures or the teachings of > some saint explaining wat does " love " mean ? >>> > > Not from scriptures or the teachings of some saint, but I personally > feel love is that which binds the subatomic particles into an atom. > > dr c s s > > -- > ==================================== > E-magazine on science and spirituality. Visit: > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/1704/index.html > http://members.xoom.com/drcsshah/neovedanta/index.html > ==================================== > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > ONElist: home to the world's liveliest email communities. > > ------ > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 1999 Report Share Posted September 3, 1999 Dear friends, Once a devotee of Ma Saradadevi got Mantra and everything from the Mother. When he was leaving, one of his friends suggested this devotee to go via Jagannath Puri taking Darshana of Lord Jagannath on his way back to home. It would be a nice and pious thing to do, he said. The devotee answered, " O dear friend, When I have got everything at this place what need is there for me to visit another place for anything! " Yes, when I get everything in the life, teachings, and sayings of Sri Ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, and Ma Saradadevi, I do not feel like reading any other philosophy to get my doubts cleared or add to my knowledge. Such one pointedness is essential in the initial phase of sadhana; and as you might be aware, this initial phase may last for century after centuries, birth after births. dr c s s -------- Westend Ashram at Colorado Springs wrote: > > Westend Ashram at Colorado Springs <urbanashram > > Dear Dr. S, > > I have not [yet] read Bea Bruteau's book called God's Ecstasy, but I ordered > a copy because it seemed interesting. (As mentioned in a note to OmTatSat, I > mostly read now for satsang, anyway, so I tend to " browse " ). Your statement > below really intrigued me. I believe that your might find B. Bruteau's > philosophy interesting. She melds science and spirituality, seeing the world > as an expression of God's Ecstasy (like Nataraja perhaps?). > > If anyone cares to correct my impression of Bea B., please do! I have not > studied her works, but understand she is a brilliant philosopher, and well > as a dear friend of a couple of my friends. Your statement there, Dr. S, > reminded me of her. > > Karen > > Dr C S Shah wrote: > > > Dr C S Shah <drcssha > > > > Anurag Goel <anurag > > > > <<< Can someone quote something from the scriptures or the teachings of > > some saint explaining wat does " love " mean ? >>> > > > > Not from scriptures or the teachings of some saint, but I personally > > feel love is that which binds the subatomic particles into an atom. > > > > dr c s s > > > > -- > > ==================================== > > E-magazine on science and spirituality. Visit: > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/1704/index.html > > http://members.xoom.com/drcsshah/neovedanta/index.html > > ==================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 1999 Report Share Posted September 3, 1999 > > <<< Can someone quote something from the scriptures or the teachings of > some saint explaining wat does " love " mean ? >>> > > Not from scriptures or the teachings of some saint, but I personally > feel love is that which binds the subatomic particles into an atom. > > dr c s s > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 1999 Report Share Posted September 6, 1999 hi all., I was just going through Swamiji's ParaBhakthi book in which he says To which Knowledge if we aquire is equivalent to aquiring the knowledge of the whole universe we have to try, ie AtmaGnana To whom if we love is equivalent to loving the entire living beings on this planet. Swamiji says We can't keep loving every individual of this world, So we have to love someone such that it is equivalent to loving whole of this Universe. He is God I read this in my local language, So I may not have been able to translate it exactly in English but still I feel It conveys the Swamiji's message Sarvam Vasudevamaya jagath Prashanth > From errors-65993-1548-gprasha=miel.mot.com Fri Sep 3 21:50 IST 1999 > Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:09:55 +0530 (IST) > Anurag Goel <anurag > X-Sender: anurag@Bhaskara > " Ramakrishna " <Ramakrishna > > Mailing-List: list Ramakrishna ; contact Ramakrishna-owner > Delivered-mailing list Ramakrishna > List-Un: <Ramakrishna- (AT) ONElist (DOT) com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Re: [ramakrishna] Love > > Anurag Goel <anurag > > > > > > > > > <<< Can someone quote something from the scriptures or the teachings of > > some saint explaining wat does " love " mean ? >>> > > > > Not from scriptures or the teachings of some saint, but I personally > > feel love is that which binds the subatomic particles into an atom. > > > > dr c s s > > > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > ONElist: your connection to online communities. > > ------ > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 1999 Report Share Posted September 8, 1999 Namaste The conversation between Yajnavalkya and Maitreyi in the Brhadaranyaka Upanishad can be found in the link below. There you can read about why anyone is dear (or loving) to another person and etc.... http://www.nalanda.demon.co.uk/yajnaval.htm Om Shanti Kathi > > Prashant G [sMTP:gprasha] > Monday, September 06, 1999 6:09 PM > Ramakrishna > Re: [ramakrishna] Love > > Prashant G <gprasha > > hi all., > > I was just going through Swamiji's ParaBhakthi book in which he says > > To which Knowledge if we aquire is equivalent to aquiring the knowledge > of > the whole universe we have to try, ie AtmaGnana > > To whom if we love is equivalent to loving the entire living beings on > this > planet. > > Swamiji says We can't keep loving every individual of this world, So we > have > to love someone such that it is equivalent to loving whole of this > Universe. > He is God > > I read this in my local language, So I may not have been able to > translate it > exactly in English but still I feel It conveys the Swamiji's message > > Sarvam Vasudevamaya jagath > > Prashanth > > > > From errors-65993-1548-gprasha=miel.mot.com Fri Sep 3 21:50 > IST > 1999 > > Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:09:55 +0530 (IST) > > Anurag Goel <anurag > > X-Sender: anurag@Bhaskara > > " Ramakrishna " <Ramakrishna > > > Mailing-List: list Ramakrishna ; contact > Ramakrishna-owner > > Delivered-mailing list Ramakrishna > > List-Un: <Ramakrishna- (AT) ONElist (DOT) com> > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > Re: [ramakrishna] Love > > > > Anurag Goel <anurag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<< Can someone quote something from the scriptures or the teachings > of > > > some saint explaining wat does " love " mean ? >>> > > > > > > Not from scriptures or the teachings of some saint, but I personally > > > feel love is that which binds the subatomic particles into an atom. > > > > > > dr c s s > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > ONElist: your connection to online communities. > > > > ------ > > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > > Vivekananda Centre London > > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Why do WOMEN ASTRONAUTS have such BAD HAIRCUTS? > What happens if you CLEAN your self-cleaning OVEN? > The DR. has answers:<a href= " http://www.drscience.com/u " >Click</a> > > ------ > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Dear Hiroko, You are welcome. Om Bholenath , hiroppi122000 <no_reply wrote: > > Dear Narashimhayeji > > Namaste. > I am very thankful for your kindly message. > I am immense helped by you. > Very Very thanks . > > Love is most poweful on the earth!!!!! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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