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In a message dated 5/26/99 5:56:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

yogeshananda writes:

 

<< I would also want to

discriminate about how the " darkness is made conscious " . >>

 

Dear Swamiji,

 

My take on this is by practicing witness consciousness the darkness is made

conscious.

 

I agree with you about figures of light, but I think that Jung is attempting

to point out that denial of darkness and focus on the light alone will not

bring us to Truth.

 

Keeping in mind that he was a psychiatrist, his statement reminds me of the

words, " We are as sick as our secrets. " Positive thinking is a bandaid. If

the darkness within is repressed, the light within is also repressed. It is

important that we acknowledge and witness both sides of the coin. For me, I

acknowledge and witness the darkness, but keep my FOCUS on the light. I also

put my defects of character in the hands of God.

 

Also, I have discovered that the dark side is fear-based. When I trace the

dark side within to its roots, fear is always its source. The origin of fear

is survival. Fear was given to us to help us survive physically, but the

ego gets involved and misinterprets various emotions as a threat to survival

which arouses fear within and results in inappropriate and ineffective ways

of dealing with life...which we all have.

 

Om Shanti!

Jody

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>JodyHolly1

>

>

> " Love without empathy is do-goodism, which is ultimately a form of pride. If

>you cannot love people, then leave them alone!

>

>If you desire anything other than love for another, you can eventually

>justify any imaginable cruelty toward this person while invoking your

>principles as justification. "

>

>Philip St. Romain

> " Pathways to Serenity "

>============================================

> " One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light,

>but by making the darkness conscious. " --C.G. Jung

Dear Jody,

The quotation from St. Romain is really excellent, in my opinion.

I think I have to take issue with the one from Jung. One CAN become

enlightened by imagining figures of light, if they are the right figures,

and if other spiritual practices are involved as well. I would also want to

discriminate about how the " darkness is made conscious " .

Regards, Swami Yogeshananda

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Dear Jody,

Yes, I totally agree with all of what you have said. Jung has added much to

understanding of human nature. One of my pet peeves is that " universal

prayer " (Alice Bailey?) which includes the phrase " and seal the door where

evil dwells " ... Boy, that's all that's needed for an explosion!

Yours, Yogeshananda

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>

> << I would also want to

> discriminate about how the " darkness is made conscious " . >>

>

> Dear Swamiji,

>

> My take on this is by practicing witness consciousness the darkness is made

> conscious.

>

> I agree with you about figures of light, but I think that Jung is attempting

> to point out that denial of darkness and focus on the light alone will not

> bring us to Truth.

>

 

> Keeping in mind that he was a psychiatrist, his statement reminds me of the

> words, " We are as sick as our secrets. " Positive thinking is a bandaid. If

> the darkness within is repressed, the light within is also repressed.

 

yes that's wat spirituality teaches learn to face n acknowledge oneself.

I think when u r saying that " Positive Thinking is a band aid " u mean to

say that while thinking posititve if we are not aware of darkness than

it's not that good.

 

 

It is

> important that we acknowledge and witness both sides of the coin. For me, I

> acknowledge and witness the darkness, but keep my FOCUS on the light. I also

> put my defects of character in the hands of God.

>

> Also, I have discovered that the dark side is fear-based. When I trace the

> dark side within to its roots, fear is always its source. The origin of fear

> is survival. Fear was given to us to help us survive physically, but the

> ego gets involved and misinterprets various emotions as a threat to survival

> which arouses fear within and results in inappropriate and ineffective ways

> of dealing with life...which we all have.

 

 

 

Jody that was a deep insight. It's great. May be attachment leads to ego.

I think there shouldn't be fear of death also.

 

> Om Shanti!

> Jody

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Dear Anurag,

 

Here are quotes from St. Paul:

 

[THE EXPRESSION OF THE PERFECTED MAN]

 

" If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I

am become as sounding brass, or a clanging cymbal. And if I have the

gift of prophesy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I

have all faith, so as to move mountains, but have not love, I am

nothing. And if I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and if I give my

body to be burned, but have not love, it profiteth me nothing. Love

suffereth long and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself,

is not puffed up, doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not its own,

is not provoked, taketh not account of evil; rejoiceth not in

unrighteousness, but rejoiceth with the truth; heareth all things,

believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Love never

faileth: but whether there be prophesies, they shall be done away;

whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge,

it shall be done away. For now we know in part, and we prophesy in part;

but when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be

done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I felt as a child, I

thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish

things. For now we see in a mirror darkly; but then face to face: now I

know in part; but then shall I know fully even as also I was fully

known. But now abideth faith, hope, love, these three: and the greatest

of these is love. "

 

I Corinthians, Chapter 13

 

" If there be therefore any consolation in Christ [the Spirit of

Love-Wisdom], if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit; .

.. . fulfill ye my joy, that ye be like-minded, having the same love,

being of one accord, of one mind. Let nothing be done through strife or

vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem the other better

than themselves. Look not every man on his own things, but every man

also on the things of others. Let this Mind be in you, which was also in

Christ Jesus [the perfected and Self-realized man or woman]: who, being

in the Image of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but

made himself of no reputation, and took upon himself the form of a

servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion

as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the

death of the cross [of birth into matter]. Wherefore God also hath

highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every other

name: that at the name of Christ Jesus [the achievement of AT-ONE-MENT]

every knee should bend, . . . and that every tongue should confess that

Christ Jesus is lord [that the Perfected man is the direct expression of

the Inner Lord or Higher Ego], to the glory of God, the Father [the

Inner Lord is the direct expression of the Divine Spark]. "

 

Philippians, Chapter 2: 1-11

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Namaste Anurag

 

I think in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, there is a conversation between

Yajnavalkya & his wife Maitreyi. There,Yajnavalkya explains why there is

love between spouses/children etc... and what are we really in love with, in

just a few verses. If I am not wrong, Swami Vivekananda too has delivered a

lecture on this beautiful coversation. Let me get back home and search for

the exact verses.

 

Till then,

 

Om Shanti

Kathi

 

>

> Anurag Goel [sMTP:anurag]

> Sunday, August 29, 1999 4:10 AM

> Ramakrishna

> [ramakrishna] Love

>

> Anurag Goel <anurag

>

>

> Can someone quote something frm the scriptures or the teachings of soem

> saint expalining wat does " love " mean ?

>

>

>

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Even in Panchadhasi, in one of the last few chpaters, there is a beautiful

conversation between Yagnavalkya and His wife Maithreyi, on the fact that

everyone loves another person or thing for his/her own sake only.

 

 

 

K Kathirasan ADM NCS <kathirasan

Ramakrishna <Ramakrishna >

Monday, August 30, 1999 10:30 AM

RE: [ramakrishna] Love

 

 

>K Kathirasan ADM NCS <kathirasan

>

>Namaste Anurag

>

>I think in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, there is a conversation between

>Yajnavalkya & his wife Maitreyi. There,Yajnavalkya explains why there is

>love between spouses/children etc... and what are we really in love with, in

>just a few verses. If I am not wrong, Swami Vivekananda too has delivered a

>lecture on this beautiful coversation. Let me get back home and search for

>the exact verses.

>

>Till then,

>

>Om Shanti

>Kathi

>

>>

>> Anurag Goel [sMTP:anurag]

>> Sunday, August 29, 1999 4:10 AM

>> Ramakrishna

>> [ramakrishna] Love

>>

>> Anurag Goel <anurag

>>

>>

>> Can someone quote something frm the scriptures or the teachings of soem

>> saint expalining wat does " love " mean ?

>>

>>

>>

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Namaste Kathi,

 

Kathi it will be great to hear verses by Yajnavalkya's.

Lord will surely help u in this search.

 

 

On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, K Kathirasan ADM NCS wrote:

 

> K Kathirasan ADM NCS <kathirasan

>

> Namaste Anurag

>

> I think in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, there is a conversation between

> Yajnavalkya & his wife Maitreyi. There,Yajnavalkya explains why there is

> love between spouses/children etc... and what are we really in love with, in

> just a few verses. If I am not wrong, Swami Vivekananda too has delivered a

> lecture on this beautiful coversation. Let me get back home and search for

> the exact verses.

>

> Till then,

>

> Om Shanti

> Kathi

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Dear Anurag, about love and teachings of saint,

a few of my favorites are:

 

 

Oh Living Flame of Love

That Tenderly Woundest my Soul in it deepest Center,

Perfect me know if it be Thy Will,

Break the Web of this Sweet encounter!

(Mystical love)

(St. John of the Cross, 16th century Christian mystic)

 

----------------------- XXX ----------------------

 

" So I fear nothing, neither sword nor flame.

No, nothing can trouble my ineffable peace,

And the fire of love which consumes my soul

Shall never go out!.... "

 

(the fearless quality of Love)

(translated from the original French)

(St. Therese of Lisieux, 19th century France; also

known as The Little Flower)

 

----------------------- XXX ----------------------

 

Lord, make me an instrument of Thy peace;

Where there is hatred, let me sow charity;

Where there is injury, pardon;

Where there is error, the truth;

Where there is doubt, the faith;

Where there is despair, hope;

Where there is darkness, light; and

Where there is sadness, joy.

 

O, Divine Master,

Grant that I may not so much seek

to be consoled, as to console;

To be understood as to understand;

 

To be loved as to love;

For it is in giving that we receive;

It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;

And it is in dying to ourselves that we are born to

eternal life. Amen.

 

(loving others)

(Saint Francis of Assisi, Medieval Period)

 

-------------------- XXX ----------------------------

 

 

 

" All my thoughts go toward Thee, all my acts

are consecrated to Thee; Thy presence is for

me an absolute, immutable, invariable fact,

and Thy peace dwells constantly in my heart.

Yet I know this state of union is poor and

precarious compared with that which it will

become possible for me to realize tomorrow... "

 

(Dhyana/Samadhi (focus of mind), as it relates to Will --

to me, related to Love)

 

The Mother (wife of Sri Aurobindo), contemporary

----------------------- XXX -------------------

 

A note on Saint Francis, somewhere I read of the similarities between Saint

Francis and Sri Ramakrishna. Their sensitivity and zeal, and so on.

 

-- Karen

 

 

Anurag Goel wrote:

 

> Anurag Goel <anurag

>

> Can someone quote something frm the scriptures or the teachings of soem

> saint expalining wat does " love " mean ?

>

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anurag, here is another interesting quote on love

 

 

It is possible through love

for man to become God.

 

And when God becomes man,

it is due to His love for His beings.

 

-- Meher Baba (contemporary)

 

 

Anurag Goel wrote:

 

> Anurag Goel <anurag

>

> Can someone quote something frm the scriptures or the teachings of soem

> saint expalining wat does " love " mean ?

>

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Dear Dr. S,

 

I have not [yet] read Bea Bruteau's book called God's Ecstasy, but I ordered

a copy because it seemed interesting. (As mentioned in a note to OmTatSat, I

mostly read now for satsang, anyway, so I tend to " browse " ). Your statement

below really intrigued me. I believe that your might find B. Bruteau's

philosophy interesting. She melds science and spirituality, seeing the world

as an expression of God's Ecstasy (like Nataraja perhaps?).

 

If anyone cares to correct my impression of Bea B., please do! I have not

studied her works, but understand she is a brilliant philosopher, and well

as a dear friend of a couple of my friends. Your statement there, Dr. S,

reminded me of her.

 

Karen

 

Dr C S Shah wrote:

 

> Dr C S Shah <drcssha

>

> Anurag Goel <anurag

>

> <<< Can someone quote something from the scriptures or the teachings of

> some saint explaining wat does " love " mean ? >>>

>

> Not from scriptures or the teachings of some saint, but I personally

> feel love is that which binds the subatomic particles into an atom.

>

> dr c s s

>

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Dear friends,

Once a devotee of Ma Saradadevi got Mantra and everything from the

Mother. When he was leaving, one of his friends suggested this devotee

to go via Jagannath Puri taking Darshana of Lord Jagannath on his way

back to home. It would be a nice and pious thing to do, he said.

The devotee answered, " O dear friend, When I have got everything at this

place what need is there for me to visit another place for anything! "

Yes, when I get everything in the life, teachings, and sayings of Sri

Ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, and Ma Saradadevi, I do not feel like

reading any other philosophy to get my doubts cleared or add to my

knowledge.

Such one pointedness is essential in the initial phase of sadhana; and

as you might be aware, this initial phase may last for century after

centuries, birth after births.

dr c s s

--------

Westend Ashram at Colorado Springs wrote:

>

> Westend Ashram at Colorado Springs <urbanashram

>

> Dear Dr. S,

>

> I have not [yet] read Bea Bruteau's book called God's Ecstasy, but I ordered

> a copy because it seemed interesting. (As mentioned in a note to OmTatSat, I

> mostly read now for satsang, anyway, so I tend to " browse " ). Your statement

> below really intrigued me. I believe that your might find B. Bruteau's

> philosophy interesting. She melds science and spirituality, seeing the world

> as an expression of God's Ecstasy (like Nataraja perhaps?).

>

> If anyone cares to correct my impression of Bea B., please do! I have not

> studied her works, but understand she is a brilliant philosopher, and well

> as a dear friend of a couple of my friends. Your statement there, Dr. S,

> reminded me of her.

>

> Karen

>

> Dr C S Shah wrote:

>

> > Dr C S Shah <drcssha

> >

> > Anurag Goel <anurag

> >

> > <<< Can someone quote something from the scriptures or the teachings of

> > some saint explaining wat does " love " mean ? >>>

> >

> > Not from scriptures or the teachings of some saint, but I personally

> > feel love is that which binds the subatomic particles into an atom.

> >

> > dr c s s

> >

> > --

> > ====================================

> > E-magazine on science and spirituality. Visit:

> > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/1704/index.html

> > http://members.xoom.com/drcsshah/neovedanta/index.html

> > ====================================

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:)

 

 

>

> <<< Can someone quote something from the scriptures or the teachings of

> some saint explaining wat does " love " mean ? >>>

>

> Not from scriptures or the teachings of some saint, but I personally

> feel love is that which binds the subatomic particles into an atom.

>

> dr c s s

>

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hi all.,

 

I was just going through Swamiji's ParaBhakthi book in which he says

 

To which Knowledge if we aquire is equivalent to aquiring the knowledge of

the whole universe we have to try, ie AtmaGnana

 

To whom if we love is equivalent to loving the entire living beings on this

planet.

 

Swamiji says We can't keep loving every individual of this world, So we have

to love someone such that it is equivalent to loving whole of this Universe.

He is God

 

I read this in my local language, So I may not have been able to translate it

exactly in English but still I feel It conveys the Swamiji's message

 

Sarvam Vasudevamaya jagath

 

Prashanth

 

 

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> :)

>

>

> >

> > <<< Can someone quote something from the scriptures or the teachings of

> > some saint explaining wat does " love " mean ? >>>

> >

> > Not from scriptures or the teachings of some saint, but I personally

> > feel love is that which binds the subatomic particles into an atom.

> >

> > dr c s s

> >

>

>

>

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Namaste

 

The conversation between Yajnavalkya and Maitreyi in the Brhadaranyaka

Upanishad can be found in the link below. There you can read about why

anyone is dear (or loving) to another person and etc....

 

http://www.nalanda.demon.co.uk/yajnaval.htm

 

Om Shanti

Kathi

 

>

> Prashant G [sMTP:gprasha]

> Monday, September 06, 1999 6:09 PM

> Ramakrishna

> Re: [ramakrishna] Love

>

> Prashant G <gprasha

>

> hi all.,

>

> I was just going through Swamiji's ParaBhakthi book in which he says

>

> To which Knowledge if we aquire is equivalent to aquiring the knowledge

> of

> the whole universe we have to try, ie AtmaGnana

>

> To whom if we love is equivalent to loving the entire living beings on

> this

> planet.

>

> Swamiji says We can't keep loving every individual of this world, So we

> have

> to love someone such that it is equivalent to loving whole of this

> Universe.

> He is God

>

> I read this in my local language, So I may not have been able to

> translate it

> exactly in English but still I feel It conveys the Swamiji's message

>

> Sarvam Vasudevamaya jagath

>

> Prashanth

>

>

> > From errors-65993-1548-gprasha=miel.mot.com Fri Sep 3 21:50

> IST

> 1999

> > Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:09:55 +0530 (IST)

> > Anurag Goel <anurag

> > X-Sender: anurag@Bhaskara

> > " Ramakrishna " <Ramakrishna >

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> > Anurag Goel <anurag

> >

> >

> > :)

> >

> >

> > >

> > > <<< Can someone quote something from the scriptures or the teachings

> of

> > > some saint explaining wat does " love " mean ? >>>

> > >

> > > Not from scriptures or the teachings of some saint, but I personally

> > > feel love is that which binds the subatomic particles into an atom.

> > >

> > > dr c s s

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Hiroko,

 

You are welcome.

 

Om Bholenath

 

 

 

 

, hiroppi122000

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> Dear Narashimhayeji

>

> Namaste.

> I am very thankful for your kindly message.

> I am immense helped by you.

> Very Very thanks .

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> Love is most poweful on the earth!!!!!

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