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I think Dr. Sathye has made an important point saying that dualism and

nondualism are the same. That is why I prefer the nondualist view. It is

all-inclusive.

That is a viewpoint for rational people. Fanatics, whether they are dualists

or nondualist, will never agree with it. Many of the ISKCON people are nice

folks. They catered my wedding in Boston 5 years ago and made lovely garlands.

Unfortunately, however, they are fundamentalists, and I have never found it

possible to exchange views with them.

I imagine they don't accept Sri Ramakrishna as an avatar--after all, he

wasn't blue!

There is something of value in the ISKCON Gita, but with so many other

commentaries to choose from, one can certainly find an edition that will be an

aid to faith rather than a creator of doubts.

An Indian friend told me that it is said that if you read the Gita for six

months, God will show you the way. Why not just read the text itself a number of

times before studying any commentaries?

 

 

 

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Dear Srinivas,

 

I also a had a simmiler doubt. This is what, I have found as an answer.

 

It is not what convices us matters, what is the Truth is what matters. What

is convincing you today may change tomorrow or what was convincing yesterday

might have changed today. So we cannot rely much on our intellectual ability.

It keeps changing as we come to know more and more. But truth is always

constant and it never changes and that is what matters. And truth is said by

different people in different way, like Shankara came and established

philosophy of Non difference, Ramanuja established Phylosophy of Difference and

Non difference, Madhva and Chaithanya established phylosophy of Difference,

even the ISCON follows the same with little bit of their own version, and Sri

Ramakrishna said, all are true in relatively. Dvaita and VishistaDvaita are

steps to Advaita.

So these great people have experienced the truth and have said that what they

experienced and the greatness of these realised souls is, they have said, never

blindly accept our philosophy. You too experience what we have experinced and

come to a conclusion and never compromise in the search of truth. Saying that

Advaita convinces more is compromising on Truth. Agreed ultimately Advaita may

be true, but unless we realise ourselves we cannot say that. It is better to be

open for others toughts also.

 

I request the members to correct me I am wrong.

 

sarvam vasudevamayam jagath

Prashanth

>

> chaganti srinivas [cnu_ind]

> Sunday, 11 November 2001 12:09 AM

> Ramakrishna

> [sri Ramakrishna] Doubt !!!

> > > Hi all

> > off late I ve been reading Bhagwat Gita published by

> the ISKCON society....there it has been repeatedly

> emphasized that The Gods soul(Lord Krishna) and

> human

> souls are eternally different and can never be the

> same but they do have an eternal relationship with

> each other and one who works in Krishna

> consciousness

> (according to the will of God) can only be saved

> .....doesn't this contradict the advaita philosophy

> which doesn't preach dualism .....which says this

> whole universe is ONE manifested in different

> forms..

> ??

> > I feel These two philosophies are mutually

> exclusive....i mean how can be believe dualism as

> well

> as non dualism ?? ...at a give point of time only

> one

> can be true !!! ....but i dont know which one ??

> > Somehow i find Advaitism more convincing.

> > I would love to know the lists view on this aspect.

> > regards

> srinivas chaganti

> >

 

 

 

 

 

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- Bhattathiri

DOUBT

 

MY FRIEND HAS A DOUBT, WILL YOU PL SEND AN ANSWER.

 

Dear sir, while I appreciate the whole story that you sent me, I am still looking for an answer to the question that I asked you. If as Sri Krishna states, the world is but Maya, then what is the point of management or anything else for that matter?

Thanks for your patience in this question

Bill Honsberger

[Guest guest]

Where does Sri Krishna state that " ..the world is just

Maya " ?

 

But for the sake of conversation, let us say that " The

world is Maya. " And then one asks the question, " What

is the point of management or anything else for that

matter? " The point of management, etc. is for our

comfort. Let the questioner decide that the world is

Maya and so action is of no use. Then let him try to

not act. How long do you suppose that the questioner

will remain without acting? How long?

 

Here are the words of Sri Krishna as told in the Gita:

3:4. Not by merely abstaining from action does a man

reach the state of actionlessness, nor by mere

renunciation does he arrive at perfection.

 

3:5. Verily, no one can remain even for an instant

without doing work. For, driven by the gunas born of

Prakriti, everyone is made to act, in spite of

himself.

 

3:6. He who restrains his organs of action, but

continues to dwell in his mind on the objects of the

senses, deludes himself and is called a hypocrite.

 

3:7. But he who restrains his senses with his mind

and directs his organs of action to work, with no

feeling of attachment--he, O Arjuna, is indeed

superior.

 

3:8. Do your allotted action; for action is superior

to inaction. And even the bare maintenance of your

body will not be possible if you remain inactive.

 

3:9. The world becomes bound by action unless it be

done for the sake of Sacrifice. Therefore, O son of

Kunti, give up attachment and do your work for the

sake of the Lord.

 

Sri Krishna also says in the Gita:

3:20. Verily, by action alone men like Janaka

attained perfection. Further, you should perform work

with a view to guiding people along the right path.

 

3:21. Whatever a great man does, that others follow;

whatever he sets up as a standard, that the world

follows.

 

3:22. I have, O Partha, no duty; there is nothing in

the three worlds that I have not gained and nothing

that I have to gain. Yet I continue to work.

 

Translation by Swami Nikhilananda

 

Warmest regards,

 

michael

 

 

--- Vivekananda Centre <vivekananda

wrote:

>

> -

> Bhattathiri

> DOUBT

>

>

> MY FRIEND HAS A DOUBT, WILL YOU PL SEND AN ANSWER.

> Dear sir, while I appreciate the whole story that

> you sent me, I am still looking for an answer to the

> question that I asked you. If as Sri Krishna

> states, the world is but Maya, then what is the

> point of management or anything else for that

> matter?

> Thanks for your patience in this question

> Bill Honsberger

>

[Guest guest]

dear member,

dont know wether i am good enough to answer ur doubt,but will contribute my

view for sure;

No doubt this world is but MAYA, but it is up to u to know it,and the only

way to acheive it

is through ABHYASA(WORK,KARMA) and VAIRAGYA(DETACHMENT);

so u have to do all ur works for sure

 

i am looking forward for members of our group to interpret my view as well

urs

kkk

--- Vivekananda Centre <vivekananda wrote:

>

> -

> Bhattathiri

> DOUBT

>

>

> MY FRIEND HAS A DOUBT, WILL YOU PL SEND AN ANSWER.

> Dear sir, while I appreciate the whole story that you sent me, I am still

looking for an answer

> to the question that I asked you. If as Sri Krishna states, the world is but

Maya, then what is

> the point of management or anything else for that matter?

> Thanks for your patience in this question

> Bill Honsberger

>

 

 

 

 

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Just because it is Maya you can not discard the world.

 

Realising that it is Maya is in fact the first step for an spiritual aspirant to do all that it takes to get out of this game of illusion.

 

As long as you are a part of the "maya" which means as long as you have not experienced the true self (God or self realisation) you have to stick to the game and play it well.

 

Just like an award winning actor in an Oscar winning film plays the "unreal" character so well that the audience is as moved as it would be in a "real" situation so should be the case for a sincere aspirant in the world. While knowing fully well that it is "maya" the way to get out of it is to play the part with detachment so well (like the Oscar winning actor who knows that the movie is "unreal") that he qualifies for passing out of this Maya game with distinction under God's own applause. He confers the Oscar of self realisation.

 

In fact the realisation that it is Maya should actually inspire you to detach and then bring out the most excellent side of you in your sphere of life as a father, husband, friend, employee, businessman or anything that you may be in this world. That is the way to GOD. DETACHMENT BUT WITH EXCELLENECE IN ACTION.

 

Pranams

Dev

 

 

 

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DoubtIt is easier to disbelieve than to believe because disbelief is an act of descent, whereas belief is an act of ascent. It is easier to disbelieve than to believe because disbelief is an act of breaking, and belief is an act of building. Building is more difficult than breaking.It is easier to disbelieve than to believe because disbelief is an act of our self-centered mind, whereas belief is an act of our self-giving heart.We disbelieve because we are afraid of oneness, afraid of the vast. We feel that when we enter into the vast, we lose our identity, we lose our individuality, we lose our very existence. But we forget the undeniable truth that when we enter into the vastness, it is nothing short of the enlargement of our divinized consciousness.When we disbelieve Baba, when we disbelieve the reality, Baba remains the same. But what happens is that ignorance

gets the opportunity to envelop us more powerfully and more completely. When we believe in Baba, Baba's compassion gets the utmost opportunity to work in and through us most powerfully.The deeper we enter into the spiritual life, the more we become aware of the capacity of disbelief and belief. Disbelief is nothing short of destruction. Belief is nothing short of a new creation. Each time we believe in something, we see the face of a new creator within and without us. And when we go one step ahead, when our inner faith looms large, then we see in us a perfected man and a liberated soul.Baba Said...."If we believe in Sadguru's holy feet, He can change our fortune for the better. If we serve Him nicely, we get rid of our samsarJai Sai RamSwamy MahadevanBow to Shri Sai-Peace be to allBaba Bless you ever!!!