Guest guest Posted August 9, 2000 Report Share Posted August 9, 2000 Guru is someone who helps you be aware of that which you yourself decided to become unaware of in the past. That awareness has to come from within you. Vinaire Ramakrishna , c s shah <drcssha@b...> wrote: > GURU > > Guru is not outside. He is Antaryami -present within the heart. Guru > enters our hearts at the time of initiation as Mantra. Since then he is > always present in the heart looking, observing every good or bad, > physical or mental activity we perform. He is constantly awake and > trying from within to transform us. If we remember that he is constantly > watching us from within, our whole life will be transformed. Let us > cooperate with the Guru in this spiritual transformation. > * > This is the message I received in response to my query about the > importance of Guru. > * > c s s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2001 Report Share Posted November 3, 2001 Dear Sanjay: It appears the various answers to your question have brought you peace and resolve - I am happy for you. However, if your " impurities " are anything like mine - someday your patience will run out as you continue to wonder, " Where is my Guru? Am I still not worthy? " Surely, I would fall down on my knees and wash his or her feet with my tears if I was ever so fortunate as to be blessed with a Guru (as defined by c. s. shah). However, instead of waiting for " flesh and blood, " I have found great comfort in satisfying this desire - (oh, oh, I've re-surfaced that topic again! Methinks it is an unavoidable topic for the spiritual traveler.) - for a Guru by seeking the " inner " Guru through meditation (aka, the Holy Spirit for Christians on this List). Let me quote from page 98 of The Gospel, " . . . one must live in holy company, pray to God, weeping for His grace, and now and then go into solitude. . . Anyone and everyone cannot be a guru. A huge timber floats on the water and can carry animals as well. But a piece of worthless wood sinks, if a man sits on it, and drowns him. Therefore, in every age God incarnates Himself as the guru, to teach humanity. Satchidananda alone is the guru. " Therefore, both Christ and Ramakrishna teach me that meditation and holy fellowship (such as this List) are more important than waiting for a " Totapuri " who may never come. God Bless Us All, Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2001 Report Share Posted November 4, 2001 Dear Brad, Whatever you say is so very reassuring. This is the process and everyone would find the Guru. In spirituality patience and perseverance are based on the concept of time that is always a moment, and never unending! In a flash, in a moment, Truth shine forth. Then the Guru appears and merges into one's Ishta; and then the Freedom! This is the destiny of each soul, time is immaterial. c s shah * Ramakrishna wrote: > Sat, 3 Nov 2001 08:01:00 -0600 > " Brad Stephan " <brad > Re: Guru > > Dear Sanjay: > > It appears the various answers to your question have brought you peace and... * http://www.geocities.com/neovedanta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 Namaste, The word 'Guru' appears as far back as in Rig-Veda. It occurs in the oldest Upanishads also, Chandogya and Mundaka. Guru Granth Sahib, the scripture of the Sikhs, has been known since 15th century. In popular literature, or rather 'pop=culture', it took its hold after 1950's. It is hard to find the word in any book of Quotations! Here are some other bits of info: guru Encyclopædia Britannica Article (Sanskrit: " venerable " ), in Hinduism, a personal spiritual teacher or guide who has himself attained spiritual insight. From at least the time of the Upanisads (ancient commentaries on the sacred scriptures), India has stressed the importance of the tutorial method in religious instruction. In the educational system of ancient India, knowledge of the Vedas (sacred scriptures) … ===================================================================== The Columbia World of Quotations. 1996. NUMBER: 21988 QUOTATION: One does not become a guru by accident. ATTRIBUTION: James Fenton (b. 1949), British poet, critic. Times (London, Aug. 9, 1984). Referring to playwright Samuel Beckett. ===================================================================== http://www.takeourword.com/Issue017.html From ------- : Supposedly, Aristotle referred to things as having a property of lightness, like smoke, which he called levity, and a property of heaviness, like an anchor, which he called gravity. How true is this? I know that perhaps there are Ancient Greek equivalents that Ol' Aristotle used. I hope you can help me. Well, we only etymologize English words here, so we'll start with English and go backwards and see if we find any Greek out there anywhere. Additionally, due to time restraints, we'll look only at gravity. English gravity comes from Latin gravis " heavy, serious " via gravitas. It is first recorded in English in the 16th century with that same meaning, and it was not until the 17th century that the scientific use of the word came about. Gravis goes back to the Indo- European root *gru-, from which came Greek barus " heavy " (English got baritone, barium, and barometer from the Greek), Sanskrit guru " heavy, dignified " (which gave us English guru), and Latin brutus " heavy " or " cumbersome " (English brute arose from this Latin word). Some other English cognates are grave, gravid, gravitate, grief, and grudge. Regards, Sunder Ramakrishna, " revenk " <revenk> wrote: > Dear all, > Whence did the appellation, Guru " , first take its rise? > Kind regards, > > R.Venkatesan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2002 Report Share Posted July 11, 2002 Hello Sunder, According to Radhakrishna, the word " Guru " indicates anyone who gives. " Guru Brahma, Guru Vishnu ..... " . The Gods were Guru, once Parents and once Teacher are all considered Guru. I am not sure how he comes to this conclusion. regards, --Sunil > " sunderh " <sunderh >Ramakrishna >Ramakrishna >[sri Ramakrishna] Re: Guru >Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:14:27 -0000 > >Namaste, > > The word 'Guru' appears as far back as in Rig-Veda. It occurs >in the oldest Upanishads also, Chandogya and Mundaka. > > Guru Granth Sahib, the scripture of the Sikhs, has been known >since 15th century. > > In popular literature, or rather 'pop=culture', it took its >hold after 1950's. > > It is hard to find the word in any book of Quotations! > > Here are some other bits of info: > > >guru > Encyclopædia Britannica Article > >(Sanskrit: " venerable " ), in Hinduism, a personal spiritual teacher >or guide who has himself attained spiritual insight. From at least >the time of the Upanisads (ancient commentaries on the sacred >scriptures), India has stressed the importance of the tutorial method >in religious instruction. In the educational system of ancient India, >knowledge of the Vedas (sacred scriptures) … > > >===================================================================== > >The Columbia World of Quotations. 1996. > >NUMBER: 21988 >QUOTATION: One does not become a guru by accident. >ATTRIBUTION: James Fenton (b. 1949), British poet, critic. Times >(London, Aug. 9, 1984). > >Referring to playwright Samuel Beckett. > >===================================================================== > > >http://www.takeourword.com/Issue017.html > >From ------- : > >Supposedly, Aristotle referred to things as having a property of >lightness, like smoke, which he called levity, and a property of >heaviness, like an anchor, which he called gravity. How true is >this? I know that perhaps there are Ancient Greek equivalents that >Ol' Aristotle used. I hope you can help me. > >Well, we only etymologize English words here, so we'll start with >English and go backwards and see if we find any Greek out there >anywhere. Additionally, due to time restraints, we'll look only at >gravity. > >English gravity comes from Latin gravis " heavy, serious " via >gravitas. It is first recorded in English in the 16th century with >that same meaning, and it was not until the 17th century that the >scientific use of the word came about. Gravis goes back to the Indo- >European root *gru-, from which came Greek barus " heavy " (English got >baritone, barium, and barometer from the Greek), Sanskrit guru > " heavy, dignified " (which gave us English guru), and Latin brutus > " heavy " or " cumbersome " (English brute arose from this Latin word). >Some other English cognates are grave, gravid, gravitate, grief, and >grudge. > > >Regards, > >Sunder > > > > >Ramakrishna, " revenk " <revenk> wrote: > > Dear all, > > Whence did the appellation, Guru " , first take its rise? > > Kind regards, > > > > R.Venkatesan > > _______________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2002 Report Share Posted July 11, 2002 Namaste, It would help to know the exact reference and context in which Radhakrishnan said this. Monier-Williams dictionary gives many different meanings as follows: guru Meaning [i have deleted many other alternate meanings]. mf(%{vI})n. (cf. %{giri4} ; comp. %{ga4rIyas} , once %{-yas-tara} , % {guru-tara} , superl. %{gariSTha} , %{gurutama} see ss. vv.) heavy , weighty (opposed to %{laghu4}) RV. i , 39 , 3 and iv , 5 , 6 AV. & c. (g. %{zauNDA7di} Gan2ar. 101) ; high in degree , vehement , violent , excessive , difficult , hard RV. MBh. & c. ; grievous Megh. 80 ; important , serious , momentous MBh. & c. ; valuable , highly prized Ya1jn5. ii , 30 (%{guru} = % {garIyas}) & c. ; haughty , proud (speech) Pan5cat. ; venerable , respectable ; m. any venerable or respectable person (father , mother , or any relative older than one's self) Gobh. S3a1n3khGr2. Mn. & c. ; a spiritual parent or preceptor (from whom a youth receives the initiatory Mantra or prayer , who instructs him in the S3a1stras and conducts the necessary ceremonies up to that of investiture which is performed by the A1ca1rya Ya1jn5. i , 34) RPra1t. A1s3vGr2. Pa1rGr2. Mn. & c. ; " preceptor of the gods " ' , Br2ihaspati Mn. xi ; (= %{dharma}) ` " venerable " ' , the 9th astrological mansion VarBr2S. i , 16 ; m. pl. parents and other venerable persons Mn. iv Vikr. v , 10 Katha1s. ; a honorific appellation of a preceptor (whose N. is also put in the pl.) , Jain Hit. ; Guru has also been said to be derived from : gu = darkness of ignorance; and ru = remover. Guru happens to be the giver anyway [of knowledge, grace, etc.] Regards, Sunder Ramakrishna, " Sunil V. Kuravinakoppa " <kuravinakop@h...> wrote: > Hello Sunder, > > According to Radhakrishna, the word " Guru " indicates anyone who gives. > " Guru Brahma, Guru Vishnu ..... " . The Gods were Guru, once Parents and once > Teacher are all considered Guru. I am not sure how he comes to this > conclusion. > > regards, > --Sunil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 Namaste, Some additional definitions of 'Guru': http://sanskrit.gde.to/doc_giitaa/gurugita.itx gukaarashchaandhakaaro hi rukaarasteja uchyate | aGYaanagraasakaM brahma gurureva na sa.nshayaH || 44|| " The letter 'gu' denotes darkness, the letter 'ru' denotes the remover of darkness. Brahman who is capable of swallowing up ignorance is certainly the Guru. " gukaaro bhavarogaH syaat.h rukaarastannirodhakR^it.h | bhavarogaharatyaachcha gururityabhidhiiyate || 45|| 'gukAra' means the disease of birth and death. 'rukAra' means the destroyer of births and deaths.On account of the power of destroying the disease of brth and death, the teacher is known by the significant name 'Guru'. " gukaarashcha guNaatiito ruupaatiito rukaarakaH | guNaruupavihiinatvaat.h gururityabhidhiiyate || 46|| " The letter 'gu' denotes that he is above the three gunas; and 'ru' denotes that he is beyond forms. Because he is free from gunas and forms he is called Guru. " gukaaraH prathamo varNo maayaadiguNabhaasakaH | rukaaro.asti paraM brahma maayaabhraantivimochanam.h || 47|| " The first syllable 'gu' creates or makes manifest Maya and the Gunas. 'ru' is Para Brahmanthat removes both Maya and delusion, viz. I am the body, I am the Mind, etc. " [From Guru Gita - tr. Sw. Narayanananda;Divine Life Society, 1972. India Book House,pvt.ltd.,Bombay.] from Sanat Kumara Samhita - Uttara Khanda, Skanda Purana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 Ramakrishna, " sunderh " <sunderh@h...> wrote: > Namaste, > > Some additional definitions of 'Guru': > > namaste Many thanks for the enlightenment Sunderji. I am delighted at the information! Regards R.Venkatesan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 Dear friends, Sunderji's postings on 'Guru' (# 8179, 8182) are illuminating. May I also invite the attention of readers like Venkatesan to an article on The Guru at the following webpage of mine? http://www.geocities.com/profvk/guru.html With my praNAms, Yours, profvk ===== Prof. V. Krishnamurthy My website on Science and Spirituality is http://www.geocities.com/profvk/ You can access my book on Gems from the Ocean of Hindu Thought Vision and Practice, and my father R. Visvanatha Sastri's manuscripts from the site. Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 In the word Guru, 'Gu' indicates the darkness of the I-ness, (the separateness, the illusion of many on the basis of the one, of the snake over the rope or garland on the ground in the dusk). 'Ru,' the second syllable means the removal of the illusion, the illumination that reveals the Brahman (rope) which put on the snake-cloak and caused fear and anxiety. When the real Guru reveals, the many merge in the one; when there is but one, how can fear enter? What is there to desire and acquire? On this Guru-Pournami, reflect on these truths and decide to enter boldly into the realm of fearless inquiry. - From Swami's Discourse on 8th July 1971. Om Sai Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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