Science and Spirituality

February 8, 2000

Hi Malayananda!

I am interested in going through the books by Pauwell and Bergier. Can u

let me know frm where can i get them.

regards,

On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, Vivekananda Centre wrote:

> " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda

>

> Hi Jay

>

> Even worse, due to manipulation these subjects are presented in the

> mentioned way. The better part of the scientific discoveries don´t get out.

> The books of Pauwell and Bergier describe many of the facts kept hidden from

> the public.

> At the turn of the previous century both Sir John Woodroffe and Poul Brunton

> complained about the

> purposly planting of incorrect information also in the spiritual litterature

> though they couldn´t see who did it.

> Indeed this is Kali Yuga. People like Jan Van Helsing, David Icke and David

> D. Summers have their explanations for this. So far they have been ridiculed

> but not proven wrong. Much can be found even on the net.

>

> Yours Mahalayananda

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February 8, 2000

Jay i was thiking abt it n to me best seemed to look in to Darwin's theory

of evolution.

Recently i atteneded a lecture on " Genes and Conciousness " back here and

the speaker said that one of the person has written a book which blasts

Darwin like anything. Person has instead proposed the idea of several

species being present at the same time rather then the evolution from a

single cell.

Well when i look at kundalini i find that we can't evolve in to

something better then human beings.

By looking at kundalini i am sure that one can get a answer to evolution

in yes or no or something in btw.

Thinking is one of the very crucial things which humans have.

Morality can looked be in to by proving that morality is something

that comes from within.

I guess " the theory of consciousness as a by-product of a computer made of

meat(brain) " will fail the moment we come to the thought processes.

Explore thought processes and i think one will withdraw from the idea that

" theory of consciousness as a by-product of a computer made of

meat(brain) "

On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, Vivekananda Centre wrote:

> " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda

>

> The present day science is very much a pseudo-materialistic belief system.

> A vast majority of scientists today are quite satisfied with the ideas

> offered via

> say

> - the theory of creation as explained by the 'big bang model'

> - the theory of evolution as suggested by Darwin.

> - the theory of 'consciousness' as a by-product of a computer made of meat

> (brain).

> - the ideas of morality as expressed via 'social sciences' (group

> dynamics).

>

> All these ideas are strongly based on a 'materialistic' approach.

> They all fall back on trying to explain 'reality' by reductionism

> (mathematical approach).

> Explain everything via - matter (and the energies associated with this

> matter).

>

> 'Spirituality' as a subject has a difficult task ahead if it is to survive

> the next millennium.

>

> Any thoughts on this subject?

>

> jay

> Vivekananda Centre London

>

March 2, 2000

The idea of the 'internal' and the 'external' universes depends on

the reference point one is using. To a person who is identifying

himself with the body, the mind will certainly appear as a part of

the 'internal universe'. However, to a person who is looking out

from the viewpoint of the spirit (that he actually is), the mind

would appear as a part of the 'external universe'. Thus, the ideas

of 'internal' and the 'external' universes are relative to the

reference point, which in this case is the viewpoint.

Then what is the difference between the spiritual and the physical?

Lets take a look at it.

The spirit is what creates. It is Brahman in action. All the rest is

CREATION, which can be referred to as the 'external universe'

from the viewpoint of the spirit.

The main attributes of this CREATED UNIVERSE are Matter,

Energy, Space, and Time. These attributes apply to what we

generally consider to be the physical universe. But these attributes

apply just as much to the mental universe as I indicated earlier.

The mental universe is part of the created universe, which is

'external' to the spirit. The spirit may be considered to be at the

center of the " sphere of the created universe. "

Just as there is physical matter, physical energy, physical space

and physical time; similarly, there is mental matter, mental energy,

mental space, and mental time. All this is part of the 'external

universe' really. The 'physical' is simply a more solidified and

persistent form of the 'mental'. The difference is that of harmonic

only.

By looking at creation all that you can say about the Creator is that

the Creator has the ability to create. No other information about the

Creator can be derived from the creation. This is so because the

creation occurs, in the first instance, totally arbitrarily. Even LOGIC

is part of this creation. It is established by the connection and

interchanges among what is created.

The basic duality in this universe is CREATOR and the CREATION.

All Science can be applied to the CREATION only. All that a scientific

methodology can tell you about the Creator is that " It creates. "

That is all,

Vinaire

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Vivekananda Centre <vivekananda

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Wednesday, March 01, 2000 5:34 AM

[ramakrishna] Science and Spirituality

> " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda

>

> There is an interesting quote from Swami Vivekananda that goes something

> like:-

> What you call 'external universe' and what some call 'internal universe'

are

> really dealing with the same. Where is the demarcation line?

>

> When one says -atom, space, time, matter, energy - we are only dealing

with

> something that is very much 'in the mind' as equally as that which is

'out

> there'. Demarcation that we see is imposed for convenience.

> Findings of science and findings of spirituality have to agree

> at some stage otherwise the conclusion we have to come to

> is that either or both are wrong.

> We live in very interesting times!

>

> jay

March 12, 2000

Hello everybody,

I just joined the group and i already find it very

interesting. Regarding the question of science and spirituality.

Since there can be only one truth any path should eventually lead to

it.To discredit science is not fair. Science is a recent starter in

this search for truth. While we gave thousands of years to rishis in

discovering truth, we are rushing to judge science which is just

barely hundred years old.

I think sometime in future science and sprirituality will be one and

the same. We will be blessed with a unifrom understanding of truth.

kk

Ramakrishna , " Vivekananda Centre "

<vivekananda@b...> wrote:

A very valid point was raised in a recent posting on the list that

reads:-

You cannot explain the spiritual universe in terms of " Science, " or in

terms of the physical universe of matter, energy, space, and time,

simply because the spiritual universe is entirely independent

of the physical universe.

March 21, 2010

Science starts with an enquiry. "What is this? What is this? On the other hand, spirituality begins its quest with the enquiry "What is that? What is that?" The enquiry "What is this?" indicates nearness, nearness to the senses. This is science. In contrast to this, the enquiry "What is that?" indicates distance, i.e. distance from senses. That is spirituality.

- From Swami's Divine Discourse on 20th November 2002.

Om Sai Ram