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PROF ANIL KUMAR AND BABA'S CONVERSATIONS WITH STUDENTS PART-2 ON 8.10.2002

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ANIL KUMAR'S SATSANG: BABA'S CONVERSATIONS WITH STUDENTS

Professor Anil Kumar has presented this talk as an extra satsang. He has selected important messages Baba has imparted to the students gathered around Him during the afternoon sessions on the verandah at Prashanti Nilayam. These talks will continue.

Part Two

October 8th, 2002

OM…OM…OM…

Sai Ram!

Thanks to Swami for bringing us back together for this evening’s session. I’ll cover a few more of the conversations had with Bhagavan on the veranda in this hour that we have at our disposal. This is a continuation of what I related to you the other day.

September 21st, 2002

The secret of a long life

This happened on the 21st of September, 2002. (I think we will complete all of the stories of September tonight.) Swami asked somebody, “Do you know how to live a long life? Do you know the secret of a long life?” Who can answer that? Nobody can answer that. “Swami, I don’t know.” “It’s very easy.” “What is it, Swami?” “Only two things are needed.” “What are they?” He said, “One is sacrifice and the other is love or prema. Sacrifice and love will give you long life. Thyaga or sacrifice is the medicine, while love is the diet. If we take the medicine without following the diet, the disease will never be cured. If we follow the diet without taking the medicine, we are nearer to the grave. Unless we have the diet and the medicine together, the disease cannot be cured. So the medicine of sacrifice and the diet of love — both are necessary to live a long life.” That’s what Baba said. At this point, Swami gave an example from the United States — Rockefeller. Today, in the United States there is the Rockefeller Foundation. This charity is working all over the United States. How did this come about? Rockefeller was fabulously rich -- very, very rich. He had no time to think of anything other than making money. He reached the stage where he forgot the amount of money he had because he was so busy. But Rockefeller fell sick at the age of about 48. And the doctors said, “Look here, you are not going to survive for more than eight or ten months. You are not going to live much longer.” Who said this? His doctors in the United States spoke this. Doctors in the U.S. are very, very responsible, to the best of my knowledge, because they will be sued in the courts of law if anything goes wrong. Then they would have to pay money throughout their lifetime, oh yes -- so they have to be very responsible. So those doctors said, “You won’t live very long.” So Rockefeller started distributing his money to everybody — educational institutions, medical institutions and many others all over the United States, with the result that he lived for almost 90 years. A person, who should have left this planet earth 40 years earlier, got an extension of his life. How is that possible? Because of his sacrifice. That’s what Bhagavan said. What is required today is for our hearts, which are hard like stone, to melt. Even stones wither and become ordinary sand with continuous exposure to rain and heat. Similarly, our hearts of stone should melt, seeing people’s misery, so we will be prepared to sacrifice. That is the gist of the conversation we had with Bhagavan on the 21st of September. September 17th, 2002 only a witness

This happened on the 17th of September, 2002. Bhagavan seemed upset with some fellow — maybe an administrator or a student or a teacher. In this big organization, there will be disappointments for Him — ways we might have failed to come up to His expectations. So He was a little bit upset and He looked at me and said seriously, “When something is wrong with the wife, the husband is responsible. When something is wrong with the children, it is the mother’s mistake. If anything goes wrong with the students, the Principal is responsible. If the Principal commits any mistake, then the Vice-chancellor is responsible.” All of them are seated there. Immediately the thought came to me, if the Vice-chancellor commits a mistake, it must be the Chancellor’s mistake. Who is the Chancellor? Baba! (Laughter) You know what He said? Swami immediately said, “If the Vice-chancellor commits any mistake, it is not the mistake of the Chancellor. (Laughter) Why? Here the Chancellor is only a witness. He is only a witness -- it is not His mistake.”

How to control the Mind

Then He told one chap, an accounting fellow, “You go, finish your work and return with all the latest statements within one hour.” The man left. I was watching the situation. “Swami?” “What?” “You want him to go faster than the wind -- faster than wind?” “Yes.” “Oh-ho, Swami. Can he go faster than light? Is it possible?” “Yes, why not?” “Oh, I see.” Then I thought I should be careful. I wanted to turn the mood. “Swami, is there anything that moves faster than wind and light, anything in the world? Light moves at the fastest rate, you know that. Is there anything that moves faster than light?” Swami said, “Yes, there is one thing.” “One thing? What is it, Swami?” “The mind,” He said. “Swami, how?” “If you want to go to New York, you are there right now.” “Even before light can reach there?” “Light may take time, but the mind is already there. So the mind moves faster than wind and light”, Bhagavan said. Then I said, “Swami, with vegamu (vegamu means speed) is mano vegamu – the speed of the mind -- natural?” “No, no, it is rogamu. It is disease. The mind that runs fast is not a natural quality. It is an ailment. It is a disease.” “Oh, I see, Swami.” Then I said, Swami, “How do I control the speed of the mind? Can I do it by yoga?” And He said, “No, no, no. By following yoga, you will be suffering from a new disease. Yoga gives you a new disease.” “How do I control it, Swami? That is my question.” Then Swami said, “All the methods you people follow, the yoga and other spiritual practices to control the mind, to reduce the speed of the mind, appear to give you some temporary, artificial results. But the results that you get from these are not cognisable and they are not lasting either. It’s like a millipede or a centipede that moves forward — backwards, forward, and backwards -- but stays in the same place.” So, all of those spiritual practices are slow. They don’t help us in any way. That’s what Bhagavan said. “Swami, You said we should control our mind, but that it is not possible by our spiritual practices. Why should I control my mind first? By controlling my mind, how can I do my job? I must teach my class. So how can a person do it? I have to do some marketing. By controlling the mind, how can I be a businessman?” And Swami said, “No, no, you are wrong.” See how nicely He was explaining the subject. Please follow carefully. This is not simply a dialogue or a drama. A little explanation of the context is necessary to have complete understanding of Sai’s way of teaching. Sai sayings, Sai ‘pearls’, are passed down to us. Swami said, “One example.” “What, Swami?” “The car is proceeding.” “Mm-hmm.” “The car is speeding up.” “Good.” “When you stop the car, the four tires come to a halt.” “Yes.” “Even then, you can switch on the lights and have the air-conditioned facility inside. You can have your snacks; you can play and you can talk. You can do all your work inside the car even though the car is stopped. Understand? Similarly, though the mind is under check - put under total control - or the speed of the mind is reduced, you can still do your job. You can do your activity just as we do while seated inside the car. Am I clear?” That’s what Bhagavan said that time. In my mind I was thinking, “Okay Swami, could You just give me one more example?” Bhagavan, the Mastermind, the perfect mind, the Divine mind, the Indweller, the prompter, the leader, the Super mind said this, “Look here, you are wearing ironed clothes, well washed and ironed, white clothes.” “Yes.” “Suppose you begin to feel, ‘If I wear this white dress and go outside, it will be spoiled. My dress will become dirty, so I will not wear it.’ Is that how you think? No. You should wear your dress, but at the same time see that it does not get dirty. You should be careful in your movements. Don’t you do that? Similarly, make use of the mind. Make use of the mind because the mind is your instrument. The mind is God’s gift. For humanity, the mind is the cause for bondage or for liberation: ”Manah Eva Manushyanam Karanam Bandha Mokshayo.” So mind should be under check, but it should be used properly.” That’s what Bhagavan said. Next Swami said, “How is the mind today? The mind is running fast, as if a thousand horses are driving it. That is the speed at which the mind is running. That’s why we are mentally disturbed, why we are mentally agitated. We need psychiatrists everyday because the mind is not under our control. We have forgotten that the mind is only our instrument. But we identify with the mind and suffer.” That’s what Bhagavan has said. “Swami, that was nice. I could understand.” Bhagavan was in a good mood so I could ask a small question. “Swami, you said it is necessary to control the mind.” “Yes.” “Who is to control the mind? Who is to control my mind?” Then He said, “First you know that. If you know that, it will be controlled.” “Oh-ho.” “First you know that mind should be controlled. Then you will understand the controller who has to control it. You will know this all by yourself. “ “Swami, should I control it?” Swami said, “What is this ‘I control’? Chi! ‘I’ control the mind. This ‘I’ is only the name and form. With this ‘I’-ness of name and form, you cannot control anything because you are bound. You are chained. You are limited by this ‘I’-ness or ego. So you have to drop this ‘I’ control -- you have to drop it.” “Well, Swami, should I drop it? Hmm. If I drop this ‘I’-ness, then what will remain in me? Where am I, what am I and who am I? When this ‘I’-ness is gone, what am I? And Bhagavan said, “When the ‘I’-ness is gone, you are not the mind; you are not the ego; but you are the Self. You are the Self.” “I see. What is the Self, Swami?” “That is Atma. That is the spirit. That is consciousness. That is Parameshti.” We were talking about this yesterday. Parameshti is Divinity. It is consciousness. It is the Self. It is the spirit. I was very much frightened to think of dropping this ‘I’-ness because I am happy with this ‘I’-ness. “I am so-and-so.” Uh huh. “I am this and that.” Oh-ho, good. I can say what I am! “But once this ‘I’-ness is gone, well then what will happen? It’s all emptiness; it’s all a void?” Then Bhagavan said, “Oh no, no, no, no. It’s only in that emptiness, in that void, in that nothingness, in that silence, in that lacuna that you experience the Self. You experience the consciousness. You experience the spirit, the real, the Atma. That will control the mind.” “How, Swami, how?” Swami said, “Once you go there, this disappears. When a policeman is there, the thief will run away. Similarly, once the spirit is there, the mind will say, ’Pah’ (Laughter) and will keep quiet. When the cat is around, the rats go into their holes totally terrified, horrified, completely frightened. In a similar way, once the real spirit or the Self, or consciousness, or Parameshti or Divinity or the Atma is felt, is experienced, is realized, there will be no more ‘I’-ness. There will be no more psychology. There is no more of intellect. There will be nothing whatsoever because you are that supreme Self.” That’s what Bhagavan said. Ram ChuganiKobe, Japan