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In a message dated 99-01-25 12:38:33 EST, you write:

 

<<

It is three weeks since we started this list. We have about 80

rs.The best way to introduce yourselves (only if you wish) may be to

send in a short personal introduction and to say what attracts you to Sri

Ramakrishna.

>>

 

Hello,

 

As suggested, I will attempt a short introduction.

 

I have been a student of Vedanta since 1977. In my personal quest to

understand a particular " incident " that had happened in my life, I began a

search for answers. This search led me first to hatha yoga. The teacher of

this hatha yoga class was a wonderful lady named Mildred Jensen. She had a

storehouse of books on Vedanta and other topics. She use to also tell me

stories of her trips to St. Louis to see Swami Satprakashananda. The first

books she introduced me to were books about Swami Vivekananda. It was

Vivekananda who " grabbed " me. His personality, his boldness, his

unwillingness, in the beginning, to except anything without proof. I wanted to

know more about his teacher, the one who " grabbed " HIM. Thus, I became

familiar with Ramakrishna.

 

It is Swamiji who inspires and uplifts me, and it is Ramakrishna who holds the

helm steady through the many stormy seas I have encountered.

 

A discussion on celibacy? In what context? I think such a discussion would

be marvelous. Controversial yes, in many ways, if one is a monastic, but what

of those who are not? Do you feel the question of celibacy is so

controversial among the non-monastics? I, for one, do not. We perhaps have

lots of questions about it tho. I know I do. Example: It is said that

celibacy is a requirement for god-realization, yet we find many examples of

illumined souls who were NOT celibate.

 

Just thought I would toss this out for discussion. I hope this post gets

through alright. I noticed that Jay says there has already been alot of

discussion taking place, yet, I have yet to receive a post from anyone.

 

Sincerely,

 

Sue

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Hello,

 

Sathyanarayanan.K is my name. I am from Madras, India. Sri Ramakrishna

Swami's simplicity in preaching, has attracted me. I thought, this

mailing list is a good place to gain some indepth knowledge about his

preaching.

 

thanks,

Sathya

 

Vivekananda Centre <vivekananda wrote:

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> Revered Friends

>

> It is three weeks since we started this list. We have about 80

rs.The best way to introduce yourselves (only if you wish)

may be to send in a short personal introduction and to say what

attracts you to Sri Ramakrishna.

>

> We have had a fair bit of exchanges so far. One person asked, " Why

do you call me revered - I am just an ordinary person " . Well, if you

like Sri Ramakrishna then you automatically become 'revered' in our

eyes. A senior monk on the list suggested why don't you put something

controversial on the list. So let us introduce a topic which is unique

to Sri Ramakrishna.

>

> " Celibacy " .

> No prophet in recent times has been as severe in his teachings of

celibacy as Sri Ramakrishna. He says even if you are married do not

treat that as a license to lust. After the birth of one or two

children treat your partner as a spiritual companion.

>

> pranams

> Vivekananda Centre. http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/

>

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exchanges so far. One person asked, " Why do you call me revered - I am

just

an ordinary person " . Well, if you like Sri Ramakrishna then you

automatically become 'revered' in our eyes. A senior monk on the list

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> Revered Friends It is three weeks since we started this list. We

>have about 80 rs.The best way to introduce yourselves (only if

>you wish) may be to send in a short personal introduction and to say what

>attracts you to Sri Ramakrishna. We have had a fair bit of exchanges so

>far. One person asked, " Why do you call me revered - I am just an

>ordinary person " . Well, if you like Sri Ramakrishna then you

>automatically become 'revered' in our eyes. A senior monk on the list

>suggested why don't you put something controversial on the list. So let

>us introduce a topic which is unique to Sri Ramakrishna. " Celibacy " . No

>prophet in recent times has been as severe in his teachings of celibacy

>as Sri Ramakrishna. He says even if you are married do not treat that as

>a license to lust. After the birth of one or two children treat your

>partner as a spiritual companion. pranams Vivekananda Centre.

Dear Dilip and Friends,

Yes, it is a hard saying. We have a class here weekly in the Gospel of Sri

Ramakrishna. We read aloud and comment and ask questions. On nearly every

page I feel obliged to somehow soften the blows for our American friends,

especially where the Master's remarks are about sex and women. It's

different for Indians, who have a long tradition of control and abstinence,

but as noted above, difficult even for you.

As avatar of the age, he no doubt felt he had to set before us the very

highest ideal, and no compromise. We just have to take it as that, and

remind ourselves how much farther we have to go, to perfection.

I say this to the devotees: you can attain spiritual experience and move up

the ladder of yoga from the married life. But if you aspire to the highest,

to bhava samadhi and on up, sex life has to be left behind. No two ways

about it. I stress the positive side: Swamiji used to say, " Just imagine

how wonderful it will be to feel yourself in ALL bodies! " And Sri

Ramakrishna: " The bliss of God is like having orgasm in every cell of your

body, not just a small part, for a short time. "

In HIm, Yogeshananda

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In a message dated 99-01-31 15:48:26 EST, yogeshananda writes:

 

<< But if you aspire to the highest,

to bhava samadhi and on up, sex life has to be left behind. No two ways

about it. I stress the positive side: >>

 

I do not disagree with this statement, however, is it not also true that as

one advances toward the Ultimate, that the desire for sex begins to diminish?

Sex life looses it's " glamor " once one has tasted the bliss of God. It becomes

dull in comparison.

 

Also, to lead a celibate life, without having lost the desire for sex, to me

seems to be mere supression, and that which is supressed can at times become

greatly intensified. Thus this seems, to me, to be a bit of a dilema for

those aspiring to lead a celibate life.

 

Sue

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