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Swami Vivekananda put across the idea that science and spirituality have to

meet. His explanation was:

 

The search for unity in diversity in the external world is called science.

The search for unity in diversity in the internal world is called

spirituality.

 

The external world may be classified as the world of matter and physical

forces and the internal world may be considered to be the world of mind and

intellect.

 

The question arises: " Where does internal stop and external begin? " This is

not a trivial question. There is a severe overlap between the internal and

external - what we call the tiniest particle of matter 'seems' to be a mere

idea thrown up by the mind and yet a neuro-scientist will say what we

consider to be 'mind' is nothing more than the intricate electrical

activities generated by the physical brain.

 

The fact that we cannot show any clear demarcation where external stops and

internal begins is the very key to understanding the link between science

and spirituality. External and internal really belong to the same realm

hence the unity science is seeking has to be the same unity spirituality has

already found. Swami Vivekananda put forward these ideas about a 100 years

ago.

 

I did my Masters in Physics. My professor was Roger Penrose who is now the

head of Physics at Oxford and is considered to be the leading authority in

Physics. His recent two books are concerned with the ideas of 'mind' and

'consciousness'. Swami Vivekananda has not influenced him directly but one

can see the direction science is taking. It has to converge to the findings

of spirituality. We would like to explore these ideas further. We await

views from other list members.

 

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Jay,

 

Since you are a physics major, perhaps you would be interested in the

current search for new energy as desribed by Tesla, Russell and others, a

practical use of etheric energy and its use in causing current flow. i.e.

free energy via zero point energy conversion. Is Roger Penrose open to the

idea of free energy from the aether?

 

 

At 07:37 AM 4/27/99 +0100, you wrote:

> " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda

>

>Swami Vivekananda put across the idea that science and spirituality have to

>meet. His explanation was:

>

>The search for unity in diversity in the external world is called science.

>The search for unity in diversity in the internal world is called

>spirituality.

>

>The external world may be classified as the world of matter and physical

>forces and the internal world may be considered to be the world of mind and

>intellect.

>

>The question arises: " Where does internal stop and external begin? " This is

>not a trivial question. There is a severe overlap between the internal and

>external - what we call the tiniest particle of matter 'seems' to be a mere

>idea thrown up by the mind and yet a neuro-scientist will say what we

>consider to be 'mind' is nothing more than the intricate electrical

>activities generated by the physical brain.

>

>The fact that we cannot show any clear demarcation where external stops and

>internal begins is the very key to understanding the link between science

>and spirituality. External and internal really belong to the same realm

>hence the unity science is seeking has to be the same unity spirituality has

>already found. Swami Vivekananda put forward these ideas about a 100 years

>ago.

>

>I did my Masters in Physics. My professor was Roger Penrose who is now the

>head of Physics at Oxford and is considered to be the leading authority in

>Physics. His recent two books are concerned with the ideas of 'mind' and

>'consciousness'. Swami Vivekananda has not influenced him directly but one

>can see the direction science is taking. It has to converge to the findings

>of spirituality. We would like to explore these ideas further. We await

>views from other list members.

>

>jay

>

>

>

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To the question: " But Maharaj (Swami Brahmananda), how can one see God

in the external world with physical eyes? " he answered: " Show me the

line of demarcation where matter ends and spirit begins. " (Eternal

Companion p. 5 3rd edition 1970)

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Want to read an interesting and recent article on Vivekananda/Einstein and

Tesla by John Dobson, founder of The SanFrancisco Sidewalk Astronomers?

 

It clarifies some of Swamiji's ideas on the physics of his day, including

his view of Akasha and Prana.

 

It also tells of an interesting meeting and connection between the three of

them (and a mystery fourth person) starting at a party Swamiji went to.

 

Find it at:

http://www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/srv/3version/Dobsvivekeinst.html

 

 

 

 

 

>Toby <wireless

>

>Jay,

>

>Since you are a physics major, perhaps you would be interested in the

>current search for new energy as desribed by Tesla, Russell and others, a

>practical use of etheric energy and its use in causing current flow. i.e.

>free energy via zero point energy conversion. Is Roger Penrose open to the

>idea of free energy from the aether?

>

>

>At 07:37 AM 4/27/99 +0100, you wrote:

>> " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda

>>

>>Swami Vivekananda put across the idea that science and spirituality have to

>>meet. His explanation was:

>>

>>The search for unity in diversity in the external world is called science.

>>The search for unity in diversity in the internal world is called

>>spirituality.

>>

>>The external world may be classified as the world of matter and physical

>>forces and the internal world may be considered to be the world of mind and

>>intellect.

>>

>>The question arises: " Where does internal stop and external begin? " This is

>>not a trivial question. There is a severe overlap between the internal and

>>external - what we call the tiniest particle of matter 'seems' to be a mere

>>idea thrown up by the mind and yet a neuro-scientist will say what we

>>consider to be 'mind' is nothing more than the intricate electrical

>>activities generated by the physical brain.

>>

>>The fact that we cannot show any clear demarcation where external stops and

>>internal begins is the very key to understanding the link between science

>>and spirituality. External and internal really belong to the same realm

>>hence the unity science is seeking has to be the same unity spirituality has

>>already found. Swami Vivekananda put forward these ideas about a 100 years

>>ago.

>>

>>I did my Masters in Physics. My professor was Roger Penrose who is now the

>>head of Physics at Oxford and is considered to be the leading authority in

>>Physics. His recent two books are concerned with the ideas of 'mind' and

>>'consciousness'. Swami Vivekananda has not influenced him directly but one

>>can see the direction science is taking. It has to converge to the findings

>>of spirituality. We would like to explore these ideas further. We await

>>views from other list members.

>>

>>jay

>>

>>

>>

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>>Live Personal Shopper * Satisfaction Guaranteed * No Hassle Returns!

>>Accessories, Apparel, Jewelry, Kids, Sporting Goods, Apparel, More!!

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>>Vivekananda Centre London

>>http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/

>>

>>

> Toby Grotz

>Wireless Engineering, Inc.

> 760 Prairie Avenue

> Craig, CO 81625

> Ph: (970) 824-6834

> Fax: 970.824.7864

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Ananta wrote

>

>Want to read an interesting and recent article on Vivekananda/Einstein and

>Tesla by John Dobson, founder of The SanFrancisco Sidewalk Astronomers?

>

>It clarifies some of Swamiji's ideas on the physics of his day, including

>his view of Akasha and Prana.

>

>It also tells of an interesting meeting and connection between the three of

>them (and a mystery fourth person) starting at a party Swamiji went to.

>

>Find it at:

>http://www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/srv/3version/Dobsvivekeinst.html>

 

Swami Vivekananda's explanation of Samkhya darshan is superb. It is here

that the ideas of Akash and Prana are explained in great detail.

 

For members who are not familiar with these ideas let me try an explanation.

 

Out of the six main schools of Hindu philosophy - Samkhya is considered to

be perhaps the oldest. Yoga and Vedanta, the other two popular philosophies

have borrowed a great deal from Samkhya. Hence this is a philosophy worth a

serious study. - It forms the very backbone of all these other philosophies.

The most striking thing about this philosophy is that its findings are very

close to the findings of modern physics.

 

Let me attempt an explanation.

 

Sage Kapila of Samkhya makes a brave classification. He says the universe is

made of two categories. (What a classification! The whole universe reduced

to two elements!)

 

One is Akash - The other is Prana.

 

The older translations of Akash all refer to it as the 'ether' (a medium

pervading space)

 

Swami Vivekananda gives a new definition -

'Akash is all penetrating existence itself'.

(Not space - not even a medium pervading space - but existence itself).

 

Swami Vivekananda then goes further he says in this 'all penetrating

existence' comes a disturbance. This is called Prana. Prana is energy - the

grossest manifestation of this energy is -matter.

 

These talks were given a long time before the birth of modern Physics and

ideas of Special Relativity that now say 'matter is coiled up energy'.

 

 

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The link you msent does not exist

http://www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/srv/3version/Dobsvivekeinst.html

 

At 08:31 PM 4/28/99 -0400, you wrote:

>ananta <sarada

>

>Want to read an interesting and recent article on Vivekananda/Einstein and

>Tesla by John Dobson, founder of The SanFrancisco Sidewalk Astronomers?

>

>It clarifies some of Swamiji's ideas on the physics of his day, including

>his view of Akasha and Prana.

 

 

>

>It also tells of an interesting meeting and connection between the three of

>them (and a mystery fourth person) starting at a party Swamiji went to.

>

>Find it at:

>http://www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/srv/3version/Dobsvivekeinst.html

>

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Toby

 

Pranam!

 

This excellent article was so interesting that I downloaded it some

months back and I am happy to attach it for you along with this

letter.

 

Sunil

 

 

 

 

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Toby <wireless

 

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At 08:31 PM 4/28/99 -0400, you wrote:

>ananta <sarada

>

>Want to read an interesting and recent article on

Vivekananda/Einstein and

>Tesla by John Dobson, founder of The SanFrancisco Sidewalk

Astronomers?

>

>It clarifies some of Swamiji's ideas on the physics of his

day, including

>his view of Akasha and Prana.

 

 

>

>It also tells of an interesting meeting and connection between

the three of

>them (and a mystery fourth person) starting at a party Swamiji went

to.

>

>Find it at:

>http:

//www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/srv/3version/Dobsvivekeinst.htm

l

>

 

 

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jay,

i recieved your message and was interested by its contents. please do send

me more information.

roopa

 

roopa

 

 

Vivekananda Centre <vivekananda

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mardi 27 avril 1999 06:18

[ramakrishna] Science

 

 

> " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda

>

>Swami Vivekananda put across the idea that science and spirituality have to

>meet. His explanation was:

>

>The search for unity in diversity in the external world is called science.

>The search for unity in diversity in the internal world is called

>spirituality.

>

>The external world may be classified as the world of matter and physical

>forces and the internal world may be considered to be the world of mind and

>intellect.

>

>The question arises: " Where does internal stop and external begin? " This is

>not a trivial question. There is a severe overlap between the internal and

>external - what we call the tiniest particle of matter 'seems' to be a mere

>idea thrown up by the mind and yet a neuro-scientist will say what we

>consider to be 'mind' is nothing more than the intricate electrical

>activities generated by the physical brain.

>

>The fact that we cannot show any clear demarcation where external stops and

>internal begins is the very key to understanding the link between science

>and spirituality. External and internal really belong to the same realm

>hence the unity science is seeking has to be the same unity spirituality

has

>already found. Swami Vivekananda put forward these ideas about a 100 years

>ago.

>

>I did my Masters in Physics. My professor was Roger Penrose who is now the

>head of Physics at Oxford and is considered to be the leading authority in

>Physics. His recent two books are concerned with the ideas of 'mind' and

>'consciousness'. Swami Vivekananda has not influenced him directly but one

>can see the direction science is taking. It has to converge to the findings

>of spirituality. We would like to explore these ideas further. We await

>views from other list members.

>

>jay

>

>

>

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>http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/

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Jay,

 

Some of my views on science and religion are in

my online book at

www.adamford.com/swb

 

In a nutshell, I see the difference between science

and religion not in their domains (in what they study)

but in their " way of knowing " , in how they decide what

is true. I think that religion must get beyond the idea

of infalliable revelation to something like the scienctific

method, where assertations are open to test and correction.

 

Comments welcome.

 

Art D'Adamo

 

 

Vivekananda Centre [vivekananda]

Tuesday, April 27, 1999 2:37 AM

onelist

[ramakrishna] Science

 

 

" Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda

 

Swami Vivekananda put across the idea that science and spirituality have to

meet. His explanation was:

 

The search for unity in diversity in the external world is called science.

The search for unity in diversity in the internal world is called

spirituality.

 

The external world may be classified as the world of matter and physical

forces and the internal world may be considered to be the world of mind and

intellect.

 

The question arises: " Where does internal stop and external begin? " This is

not a trivial question. There is a severe overlap between the internal and

external - what we call the tiniest particle of matter 'seems' to be a mere

idea thrown up by the mind and yet a neuro-scientist will say what we

consider to be 'mind' is nothing more than the intricate electrical

activities generated by the physical brain.

 

The fact that we cannot show any clear demarcation where external stops and

internal begins is the very key to understanding the link between science

and spirituality. External and internal really belong to the same realm

hence the unity science is seeking has to be the same unity spirituality has

already found. Swami Vivekananda put forward these ideas about a 100 years

ago.

 

I did my Masters in Physics. My professor was Roger Penrose who is now the

head of Physics at Oxford and is considered to be the leading authority in

Physics. His recent two books are concerned with the ideas of 'mind' and

'consciousness'. Swami Vivekananda has not influenced him directly but one

can see the direction science is taking. It has to converge to the findings

of spirituality. We would like to explore these ideas further. We await

views from other list members.

 

jay

 

 

 

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Vivekananda Centre wrote:

>>> The conclusions are:- Mathematics proves that mathematics is not adequate

enough as a tool to explain 'REALITY' in total. (The system will be either

consistent or complete - cannot be both). >>>

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Dear Everyone,

When such an exact science as mathematics is inadequate to explain the

reality in total, how can language dare to venture there and come up

with proper explanation!

Absolute mathematics is absolute scientific mind from one stand-point.

When it returns back defeated; what of imagination, reason, and logic.

However, there is a way out :

Spiritual discipline. It makes you understand, in the final analysis,

that for a mathematician [or any true scientist] it is necessary to

become one with the totality to understand it.

Why a mathematician or a physicist cannot understand the totality?

Because he wants to approach it as a physicists. He dares not to become

the sage which is the logical culmination of his efforts.

It is possible; it is indeed the course of human progress.

And our rishis who were scientists when knew the totality, for them

science became secondary and of minor importance. They became Seers;

Seers of Vedas and Upanishads.

So either remain a scientist with incomplete knowledge of the Truth or

become a sage with complete knowledge of the Truth!!!

There is no other choice.

 

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