Guest guest Posted April 27, 1999 Report Share Posted April 27, 1999 Swami Vivekananda put across the idea that science and spirituality have to meet. His explanation was: The search for unity in diversity in the external world is called science. The search for unity in diversity in the internal world is called spirituality. The external world may be classified as the world of matter and physical forces and the internal world may be considered to be the world of mind and intellect. The question arises: " Where does internal stop and external begin? " This is not a trivial question. There is a severe overlap between the internal and external - what we call the tiniest particle of matter 'seems' to be a mere idea thrown up by the mind and yet a neuro-scientist will say what we consider to be 'mind' is nothing more than the intricate electrical activities generated by the physical brain. The fact that we cannot show any clear demarcation where external stops and internal begins is the very key to understanding the link between science and spirituality. External and internal really belong to the same realm hence the unity science is seeking has to be the same unity spirituality has already found. Swami Vivekananda put forward these ideas about a 100 years ago. I did my Masters in Physics. My professor was Roger Penrose who is now the head of Physics at Oxford and is considered to be the leading authority in Physics. His recent two books are concerned with the ideas of 'mind' and 'consciousness'. Swami Vivekananda has not influenced him directly but one can see the direction science is taking. It has to converge to the findings of spirituality. We would like to explore these ideas further. We await views from other list members. jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 1999 Report Share Posted April 27, 1999 Jay, Since you are a physics major, perhaps you would be interested in the current search for new energy as desribed by Tesla, Russell and others, a practical use of etheric energy and its use in causing current flow. i.e. free energy via zero point energy conversion. Is Roger Penrose open to the idea of free energy from the aether? At 07:37 AM 4/27/99 +0100, you wrote: > " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda > >Swami Vivekananda put across the idea that science and spirituality have to >meet. His explanation was: > >The search for unity in diversity in the external world is called science. >The search for unity in diversity in the internal world is called >spirituality. > >The external world may be classified as the world of matter and physical >forces and the internal world may be considered to be the world of mind and >intellect. > >The question arises: " Where does internal stop and external begin? " This is >not a trivial question. There is a severe overlap between the internal and >external - what we call the tiniest particle of matter 'seems' to be a mere >idea thrown up by the mind and yet a neuro-scientist will say what we >consider to be 'mind' is nothing more than the intricate electrical >activities generated by the physical brain. > >The fact that we cannot show any clear demarcation where external stops and >internal begins is the very key to understanding the link between science >and spirituality. External and internal really belong to the same realm >hence the unity science is seeking has to be the same unity spirituality has >already found. Swami Vivekananda put forward these ideas about a 100 years >ago. > >I did my Masters in Physics. My professor was Roger Penrose who is now the >head of Physics at Oxford and is considered to be the leading authority in >Physics. His recent two books are concerned with the ideas of 'mind' and >'consciousness'. Swami Vivekananda has not influenced him directly but one >can see the direction science is taking. It has to converge to the findings >of spirituality. We would like to explore these ideas further. We await >views from other list members. > >jay > > > >------ >Shop.theglobe.com * One-Stop Shopping * Free Shipping in U.S.! >Live Personal Shopper * Satisfaction Guaranteed * No Hassle Returns! >Accessories, Apparel, Jewelry, Kids, Sporting Goods, Apparel, More!! > /ad/shoptheglobe0 >------ >Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah >Vivekananda Centre London >http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ > > Toby Grotz Wireless Engineering, Inc. 760 Prairie Avenue Craig, CO 81625 Ph: (970) 824-6834 Fax: 970.824.7864 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 1999 Report Share Posted April 27, 1999 To the question: " But Maharaj (Swami Brahmananda), how can one see God in the external world with physical eyes? " he answered: " Show me the line of demarcation where matter ends and spirit begins. " (Eternal Companion p. 5 3rd edition 1970) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted April 29, 1999 Report Share Posted April 29, 1999 Want to read an interesting and recent article on Vivekananda/Einstein and Tesla by John Dobson, founder of The SanFrancisco Sidewalk Astronomers? It clarifies some of Swamiji's ideas on the physics of his day, including his view of Akasha and Prana. It also tells of an interesting meeting and connection between the three of them (and a mystery fourth person) starting at a party Swamiji went to. Find it at: http://www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/srv/3version/Dobsvivekeinst.html >Toby <wireless > >Jay, > >Since you are a physics major, perhaps you would be interested in the >current search for new energy as desribed by Tesla, Russell and others, a >practical use of etheric energy and its use in causing current flow. i.e. >free energy via zero point energy conversion. Is Roger Penrose open to the >idea of free energy from the aether? > > >At 07:37 AM 4/27/99 +0100, you wrote: >> " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda >> >>Swami Vivekananda put across the idea that science and spirituality have to >>meet. His explanation was: >> >>The search for unity in diversity in the external world is called science. >>The search for unity in diversity in the internal world is called >>spirituality. >> >>The external world may be classified as the world of matter and physical >>forces and the internal world may be considered to be the world of mind and >>intellect. >> >>The question arises: " Where does internal stop and external begin? " This is >>not a trivial question. There is a severe overlap between the internal and >>external - what we call the tiniest particle of matter 'seems' to be a mere >>idea thrown up by the mind and yet a neuro-scientist will say what we >>consider to be 'mind' is nothing more than the intricate electrical >>activities generated by the physical brain. >> >>The fact that we cannot show any clear demarcation where external stops and >>internal begins is the very key to understanding the link between science >>and spirituality. External and internal really belong to the same realm >>hence the unity science is seeking has to be the same unity spirituality has >>already found. Swami Vivekananda put forward these ideas about a 100 years >>ago. >> >>I did my Masters in Physics. My professor was Roger Penrose who is now the >>head of Physics at Oxford and is considered to be the leading authority in >>Physics. His recent two books are concerned with the ideas of 'mind' and >>'consciousness'. Swami Vivekananda has not influenced him directly but one >>can see the direction science is taking. It has to converge to the findings >>of spirituality. We would like to explore these ideas further. We await >>views from other list members. >> >>jay >> >> >> >>------ >>Shop.theglobe.com * One-Stop Shopping * Free Shipping in U.S.! >>Live Personal Shopper * Satisfaction Guaranteed * No Hassle Returns! >>Accessories, Apparel, Jewelry, Kids, Sporting Goods, Apparel, More!! >> /ad/shoptheglobe0 >>------ >>Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah >>Vivekananda Centre London >>http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ >> >> > Toby Grotz >Wireless Engineering, Inc. > 760 Prairie Avenue > Craig, CO 81625 > Ph: (970) 824-6834 > Fax: 970.824.7864 > >------ >Tired of empty chat rooms and out of date bulletin boards? >http://www.ONElist.com >ONElist: Making the Internet Intimate >------ >Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah >Vivekananda Centre London >http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 1999 Report Share Posted April 29, 1999 Ananta wrote > >Want to read an interesting and recent article on Vivekananda/Einstein and >Tesla by John Dobson, founder of The SanFrancisco Sidewalk Astronomers? > >It clarifies some of Swamiji's ideas on the physics of his day, including >his view of Akasha and Prana. > >It also tells of an interesting meeting and connection between the three of >them (and a mystery fourth person) starting at a party Swamiji went to. > >Find it at: >http://www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/srv/3version/Dobsvivekeinst.html> Swami Vivekananda's explanation of Samkhya darshan is superb. It is here that the ideas of Akash and Prana are explained in great detail. For members who are not familiar with these ideas let me try an explanation. Out of the six main schools of Hindu philosophy - Samkhya is considered to be perhaps the oldest. Yoga and Vedanta, the other two popular philosophies have borrowed a great deal from Samkhya. Hence this is a philosophy worth a serious study. - It forms the very backbone of all these other philosophies. The most striking thing about this philosophy is that its findings are very close to the findings of modern physics. Let me attempt an explanation. Sage Kapila of Samkhya makes a brave classification. He says the universe is made of two categories. (What a classification! The whole universe reduced to two elements!) One is Akash - The other is Prana. The older translations of Akash all refer to it as the 'ether' (a medium pervading space) Swami Vivekananda gives a new definition - 'Akash is all penetrating existence itself'. (Not space - not even a medium pervading space - but existence itself). Swami Vivekananda then goes further he says in this 'all penetrating existence' comes a disturbance. This is called Prana. Prana is energy - the grossest manifestation of this energy is -matter. These talks were given a long time before the birth of modern Physics and ideas of Special Relativity that now say 'matter is coiled up energy'. jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 1999 Report Share Posted April 29, 1999 The link you msent does not exist http://www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/srv/3version/Dobsvivekeinst.html At 08:31 PM 4/28/99 -0400, you wrote: >ananta <sarada > >Want to read an interesting and recent article on Vivekananda/Einstein and >Tesla by John Dobson, founder of The SanFrancisco Sidewalk Astronomers? > >It clarifies some of Swamiji's ideas on the physics of his day, including >his view of Akasha and Prana. > >It also tells of an interesting meeting and connection between the three of >them (and a mystery fourth person) starting at a party Swamiji went to. > >Find it at: >http://www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/srv/3version/Dobsvivekeinst.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 1999 Report Share Posted April 30, 1999 Toby Pranam! This excellent article was so interesting that I downloaded it some months back and I am happy to attach it for you along with this letter. Sunil ______________________________ Reply Separator ____________________________ _____ [ramakrishna] Re: Science Author: ramakrishna (Toby <wireless) at INTERNET 4/29/99 9:29 AM Toby <wireless The link you msent does not exist http: //www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/srv/3version/Dobsvivekeinst.htm l At 08:31 PM 4/28/99 -0400, you wrote: >ananta <sarada > >Want to read an interesting and recent article on Vivekananda/Einstein and >Tesla by John Dobson, founder of The SanFrancisco Sidewalk Astronomers? > >It clarifies some of Swamiji's ideas on the physics of his day, including >his view of Akasha and Prana. > >It also tells of an interesting meeting and connection between the three of >them (and a mystery fourth person) starting at a party Swamiji went to. > >Find it at: >http: //www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/srv/3version/Dobsvivekeinst.htm l > ------------------------------ --------- Start a new hobby. Meet a new friend. ONElist: The leading provider of free e-mail list services! ------------------------------ --------- Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah Vivekananda Centre London http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 1999 Report Share Posted May 1, 1999 jay, i recieved your message and was interested by its contents. please do send me more information. roopa roopa Vivekananda Centre <vivekananda onelist <ramakrishna > mardi 27 avril 1999 06:18 [ramakrishna] Science > " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda > >Swami Vivekananda put across the idea that science and spirituality have to >meet. His explanation was: > >The search for unity in diversity in the external world is called science. >The search for unity in diversity in the internal world is called >spirituality. > >The external world may be classified as the world of matter and physical >forces and the internal world may be considered to be the world of mind and >intellect. > >The question arises: " Where does internal stop and external begin? " This is >not a trivial question. There is a severe overlap between the internal and >external - what we call the tiniest particle of matter 'seems' to be a mere >idea thrown up by the mind and yet a neuro-scientist will say what we >consider to be 'mind' is nothing more than the intricate electrical >activities generated by the physical brain. > >The fact that we cannot show any clear demarcation where external stops and >internal begins is the very key to understanding the link between science >and spirituality. External and internal really belong to the same realm >hence the unity science is seeking has to be the same unity spirituality has >already found. Swami Vivekananda put forward these ideas about a 100 years >ago. > >I did my Masters in Physics. My professor was Roger Penrose who is now the >head of Physics at Oxford and is considered to be the leading authority in >Physics. His recent two books are concerned with the ideas of 'mind' and >'consciousness'. Swami Vivekananda has not influenced him directly but one >can see the direction science is taking. It has to converge to the findings >of spirituality. We would like to explore these ideas further. We await >views from other list members. > >jay > > > >------ >Shop.theglobe.com * One-Stop Shopping * Free Shipping in U.S.! >Live Personal Shopper * Satisfaction Guaranteed * No Hassle Returns! >Accessories, Apparel, Jewelry, Kids, Sporting Goods, Apparel, More!! > /ad/shoptheglobe0 >------ >Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah >Vivekananda Centre London >http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted May 3, 1999 Report Share Posted May 3, 1999 Jay, Some of my views on science and religion are in my online book at www.adamford.com/swb In a nutshell, I see the difference between science and religion not in their domains (in what they study) but in their " way of knowing " , in how they decide what is true. I think that religion must get beyond the idea of infalliable revelation to something like the scienctific method, where assertations are open to test and correction. Comments welcome. Art D'Adamo Vivekananda Centre [vivekananda] Tuesday, April 27, 1999 2:37 AM onelist [ramakrishna] Science " Vivekananda Centre " <vivekananda Swami Vivekananda put across the idea that science and spirituality have to meet. His explanation was: The search for unity in diversity in the external world is called science. The search for unity in diversity in the internal world is called spirituality. The external world may be classified as the world of matter and physical forces and the internal world may be considered to be the world of mind and intellect. The question arises: " Where does internal stop and external begin? " This is not a trivial question. There is a severe overlap between the internal and external - what we call the tiniest particle of matter 'seems' to be a mere idea thrown up by the mind and yet a neuro-scientist will say what we consider to be 'mind' is nothing more than the intricate electrical activities generated by the physical brain. The fact that we cannot show any clear demarcation where external stops and internal begins is the very key to understanding the link between science and spirituality. External and internal really belong to the same realm hence the unity science is seeking has to be the same unity spirituality has already found. Swami Vivekananda put forward these ideas about a 100 years ago. I did my Masters in Physics. My professor was Roger Penrose who is now the head of Physics at Oxford and is considered to be the leading authority in Physics. His recent two books are concerned with the ideas of 'mind' and 'consciousness'. Swami Vivekananda has not influenced him directly but one can see the direction science is taking. It has to converge to the findings of spirituality. We would like to explore these ideas further. We await views from other list members. jay ------ Shop.theglobe.com * One-Stop Shopping * Free Shipping in U.S.! Live Personal Shopper * Satisfaction Guaranteed * No Hassle Returns! Accessories, Apparel, Jewelry, Kids, Sporting Goods, Apparel, More!! /ad/shoptheglobe0 ------ Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah Vivekananda Centre London http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 1999 Report Share Posted September 23, 1999 Vivekananda Centre wrote: >>> The conclusions are:- Mathematics proves that mathematics is not adequate enough as a tool to explain 'REALITY' in total. (The system will be either consistent or complete - cannot be both). >>> *** Dear Everyone, When such an exact science as mathematics is inadequate to explain the reality in total, how can language dare to venture there and come up with proper explanation! Absolute mathematics is absolute scientific mind from one stand-point. When it returns back defeated; what of imagination, reason, and logic. However, there is a way out : Spiritual discipline. It makes you understand, in the final analysis, that for a mathematician [or any true scientist] it is necessary to become one with the totality to understand it. Why a mathematician or a physicist cannot understand the totality? Because he wants to approach it as a physicists. He dares not to become the sage which is the logical culmination of his efforts. It is possible; it is indeed the course of human progress. And our rishis who were scientists when knew the totality, for them science became secondary and of minor importance. They became Seers; Seers of Vedas and Upanishads. So either remain a scientist with incomplete knowledge of the Truth or become a sage with complete knowledge of the Truth!!! There is no other choice. dr c s s ========================== E-magazine on science and spirituality. Visit: http://members.xoom.com/drcsshah/neovedanta/index.html ==================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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