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In a message dated 5/12/99 9:21:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Kaushik writes:

 

<< He has warned us against " kamini and kanchan " . (how one translates this is

for each of us to decide for ourselves) >>

 

Ramakrishna was talking to young monks when he spoke of this.

 

Jody

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I am supposed to do seminar for some Medical students on theme of science

and spirituality next week.

I am fairly familiar with Swami Vivekananda's approach to Physics, so I can

deal with that but I would like to ask the list : -

What would be the reaction of Swami Vivekananda to the ideas of GM /Cloning

etc (more relevant to Medial Science)? Any thoughts?

 

jay

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Dear Jay,

 

For Swamiji: 'Man is a man in so far as he is qualified by the limiting

adjunct of mind. Through the mind he has to understand and grasp

everything.'

Whether the man is born naturally or through cloning does not make

difference. Human beings would continue to strive to find expression of

freedom from the limitations of body-mind stronghold. Today the science,

including medical science, is trying to locate this escape route to

Freedom (or realization of our True nature--Atman) in the external

nature. Swamiji wanted the scientists to look inwards, to analyze and

expose the designs of this mind, so that freedom can be

easy and relatively quicker.

One more point of interest is, Swami Vivekananda used to go to the

Calcutta Medical school to learn and see for himself, the skull, brain,

spinal cord, etc. so that he might understand the neuroanatomy of human

system that might help him to comment on the Kundalini and other chakras

with more confidence.

 

dr c s shah

 

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> I am supposed to do seminar for some Medical students on theme of science

> and spirituality next week.

> I am fairly familiar with Swami Vivekananda's approach to Physics, so I can

> deal with that but I would like to ask the list : -

> What would be the reaction of Swami Vivekananda to the ideas of GM /Cloning

> etc (more relevant to Medial Science)? Any thoughts?

>

> jay

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>Dear Jay,

>

>For Swamiji: 'Man is a man in so far as he is qualified by the limiting

>adjunct of mind. Through the mind he has to understand and grasp

>everything.'

>Whether the man is born naturally or through cloning does not make

>difference. Human beings would continue to strive to find expression of

>freedom from the limitations of body-mind stronghold. Today the science,

>including medical science, is trying to locate this escape route to

>Freedom (or realization of our True nature--Atman) in the external

>nature. Swamiji wanted the scientists to look inwards, to analyze and

>expose the designs of this mind, so that freedom can be

>easy and relatively quicker.

>One more point of interest is, Swami Vivekananda used to go to the

>Calcutta Medical school to learn and see for himself, the skull, brain,

>spinal cord, etc. so that he might understand the neuroanatomy of human

>system that might help him to comment on the Kundalini and other chakras

>with more confidence.

>

>dr c s shah

>

I agree. Not only that, Swami Trigunatitananda, Swamiji's brother-disciple,

wanted his brain sent to the San Francisco Medical School for examination

after death; he felt sure that structural changes would actually be

discovered there. (It was not done.)

Yogeshananda

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Dear friends,

Namaste,

> Kaushik Budhdeo wrote:

" The idea of playing a game is to enjoy the outcome. " <

May I add:

And additionally, to enjoy playing the game as well. Sadhana should be

as much pleasing and joyous as realizing the the nature of mind through

it (outcome).

Yes, Vedanta appeals to the most and has become a plaything for many.

This is because, although Vedanta is difficult to comprehend in its

totality, it contains total truth.

Yes, rules do apply; but rules are the part of any method and process,

and therefore must be honoured and accepted with joy.

It is the mind that plays tricks to dissuade the sadhaka to go God ward!

One should be cautious about these designs of the mind and should show

it its place rather than succumbing to its escapist and infatuating

temptations.

dr c s shah

 

> Kaushik Budhdeo wrote:

>

> Our aim is to realise divinity within. This being the case, we then

> have to choose a path.

>

> It is like playing a game - be it football or rugby or snooker etc.

> All games are played by their own rules. The idea of playing a game is

> to enjoy the outcome. Similarly, the search of God as our true self is

> to enjoy the outcome. Playing various games is like following various

> methods prescribed. It can be Vedantiism or Tantriism, etc. Vedantiism

> is a game which is most popular at the moment. The rules we adopt to

> play are not restrictions. They exist in order to ensure that the game

> is played well. The Master has given us some rules to follow:

> He has warned us against " kamini and kanchan " . (how one translates

> this is for each of us to decide for ourselves)

>

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In a message dated 5/12/99 9:21:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Kaushik writes:

 

<< Vedantiism is a game which is most popular at the moment. >>

 

I would love to know in what part of the world Vedanta is " most popular " . I

have taught meditation for the last 20 years, having been certified in

another tradition, but always using the teachings of Swami Vivekananda and

the Ramakrishna Order, and have yet to come across an area (I've lived in

different parts of the U.S.A.) where Vedanta has even been heard of, not to

mention being " popular " . I find that statement about it's current

popularity, most interesting.

 

Jody

 

http://members.aol.com/JodyHolly1/index.html

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Dear Jody,

Popularity and impact are two different things. Today advertising and TV

are popular, but should we thereby say that the impact they are

producing is desired one? Vedanta on the other hand is not popular from

your point of view, but the positive impact it is producing, and is

capable of producing, is immense. And that is why despite hardships,

frustration and isolation we are trying to follow this Vedanta as

preached by the Swami based on the life of Sri Ramakrishna.

Support of one another is the only solace and ray of hope on this path

which is like walking over the razor's edge. Therefore, the criticism

should be mild and less harsh. Not not we do not know we are weak, but

as Swami Vivekananda would say, " Let us look at the strength of the

devotees and not at their weaknesses. "

The fact that these few fellows have joined this ring (onenet) is a

sufficient solace for me that I am not alone in trying to tread this

hard path of loneliness, an almost hopeless attempt to seek my own True

Self.

dr c s shah

 

 

JodyHolly1 wrote:

>

> JodyHolly1

>

> In a message dated 5/12/99 9:21:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> Kaushik writes:

>

> << Vedantiism is a game which is most popular at the moment. >>

>

> I would love to know in what part of the world Vedanta is " most popular " . I

> have taught meditation for the last 20 years, having been certified in

> another tradition, but always using the teachings of Swami Vivekananda and

> the Ramakrishna Order, and have yet to come across an area (I've lived in

> different parts of the U.S.A.) where Vedanta has even been heard of, not to

> mention being " popular " . I find that statement about it's current

> popularity, most interesting.

>

> Jody

>

> http://members.aol.com/JodyHolly1/index.html

>

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