Guest guest Posted May 19, 1999 Report Share Posted May 19, 1999 Tim, I find it difficult to respond to your comments since they are not heart-centered...they seem to be rooted in anger. No one can ever give a satisfactory response to an angry heart. Love, Jody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 1999 Report Share Posted May 19, 1999 At 10:24 AM 5/19/99 EDT, you wrote: >JodyHolly1 >Dear Tim, > >The WORD has great power. In the beginning was the word, so says the Old >Testament in the Bible. The WORD is what created this existence; OM, is the >WORD that keeps all of existence alive and in motion. Without the WORD, we >would not be. > >We must pay careful attention to our languaging and IF WE SAY WE ARE IGNORANT >THEN SO SHALL IT BE. I did not say that by saying we are enlightened means >we are, but I did say that if we say we are ignorant then we are. The two statements are contradictory. If " The Word " is that powerful, and saying we are ignorant makes it so, then saying we are enlightened will also make it so. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Why would saying " I am ignorant " cause ignorance, yet saying " I am enlightened " not cause enlightenment? >Kashmir Shaivism teaches about " matrika shakti " which is the power behind the >letters of the alphabet. I'm not a follower of Kashmir Shaivism, in fact I find the teachings to be among the most foolish of Hindu belief systems. Just to let you know, and that it is only a personally-held opinion. >As a very important part of this path, Swamiji stressed that we must >repeatedly affirm our divine nature. Certainly affirmations (if believed) have power, but only if believed, and only after constant and unceasing repetition over a long period of time. The words themselves are collections of letters with no power to do anything. I may utter " I am God and I created the Universe " for the next 50 years, and nothing will happen. >And I do believe that God is playing through us, through the human experience >and that ths spiritual path is God seeking God. Who is it that is asking, > " Who Am I " ? The mind. Only the mind can ask questions. Only the mind wants answers. >Who is it that is seeking? Hopefully nobody, as seeking is the diametric opposite of finding (that which we already possess). >Is it the mind? Is it the ego? Is >it the Divine within us? Who is it that is constantly urging us to go past >our present reality to the reality of That One, to go to the depths of Truth. >Can we seek Truth from a place of ignorance? Can ignorance seek Truth or is >it Truth that is seeking to reveal itself? Who is it that is asking these questions, and to whom are they being asked, and for what purpose? Will the answers produce anything worthwhile? >Om Shanti! OM Shanti, Tim ----- Visit The Core of the WWW at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics. Tim's Windows and DOS Shareware/Freeware is at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/shareware.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 1999 Report Share Posted May 19, 1999 > > At 10:24 AM 5/19/99 EDT, you wrote: > >JodyHolly1 > > >Dear Tim, > > > >The WORD has great power. In the beginning was the word, so says the Old > >Testament in the Bible. The WORD is what created this existence; OM, is the > >WORD that keeps all of existence alive and in motion. Without the WORD, we > >would not be. > > > >We must pay careful attention to our languaging and IF WE SAY WE ARE > IGNORANT > >THEN SO SHALL IT BE. I did not say that by saying we are enlightened means > >we are, but I did say that if we say we are ignorant then we are. > > The two statements are contradictory. If " The Word " is that powerful, and > saying we are ignorant makes it so, then saying we are enlightened will > also make it so. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Why would > saying " I am ignorant " cause ignorance, yet saying " I am enlightened " not > cause enlightenment? A feeling n thoughts r related to words. Using word like ignorance can generate low thoughts in one but it depends in the sense one puts it. When one prays to lord one says i am ignorant shower me with knowledge. In the above sentence ignorant has positivism of surrender in it.Ignorance in relation with Lord should be fine. If one lacks in some field n one keep on saying that i am ignorant in it would do harm to him rather than doing some good for one is again n trying to stick to his ignorance again n again by saying that. Similarly repeating " I am enlightened " will help one visualize enlightment in one. But than getting lost in this thought n doing nothin to move towards enlighthment can create false enlightment in one. When one sees enlightment as enlightened soul within than speaking again n again to oneself will never do harm n will rather remind one that one is enlightened always n that there a layer of dust which one has to remove. Even in day to day language one should express negative thoughts with positivism. Positivism uttered will generate positivism in us. > > >Kashmir Shaivism teaches about " matrika shakti " which is the power behind > the > >letters of the alphabet. True! > > I'm not a follower of Kashmir Shaivism, in fact I find the teachings to be > among the most foolish of Hindu belief systems. Just to let you know, and > that it is only a personally-held opinion. I don't know abt Kashmir Shaivism. But as far as i have seen on lists the kundalini refrences n tantra in it has attracted much of the people. > > >As a very important part of this path, Swamiji stressed that we must > >repeatedly affirm our divine nature. > > Certainly affirmations (if believed) have power, but only if believed, and > only after constant and unceasing repetition over a long period of time. > The words themselves are collections of letters with no power to do > anything. Feelings n thoughts r related to words n when uttered they unleash those feelings. Even if someone has associated some wrong feeling with some word even than the repeated uttering of that word will one day reveal to one that the thoughts which one has associated with it are not related to this word. > I may utter " I am God and I created the Universe " for the next > 50 years, and nothing will happen. May be one will realise one's soul one day by constantly uttering that n Lord is there within one. Rather there is one story in china. It was posted by someone on one list.I don't remeber it precisely. " Something like a once one person went to temple to know wa is lord . there the priest told him that keep reciting the few words which i will tell u. The perso head them wrong n kept them reciting the wrong words than one day something happens to his shoes n when he relates that to the wrong words he was uttering he realised wat is Lord n he goes staright to the priest n tells him that. > > >And I do believe that God is playing through us, through the human > experience > >and that ths spiritual path is God seeking God. Who is it that is asking, > > " Who Am I " ? > > The mind. Only the mind can ask questions. Only the mind wants answers. > > >Who is it that is seeking? > > Hopefully nobody, as seeking is the diametric opposite of finding (that > which we already possess). > > >Is it the mind? Is it the ego? Is > >it the Divine within us? Who is it that is constantly urging us to go past > >our present reality to the reality of That One, to go to the depths of > Truth. > >Can we seek Truth from a place of ignorance? Can ignorance seek Truth or is > >it Truth that is seeking to reveal itself? > > Who is it that is asking these questions, and to whom are they being asked, > and for what purpose? Will the answers produce anything worthwhile? > > >Om Shanti! > I think Jody was answering these questions just by posing them as questions. She knows wat these mean. > OM Shanti, > > Tim > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 1999 Report Share Posted May 20, 1999 In a message dated 5/19/99 12:57:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, fewtch writes: << I'm not a follower of Kashmir Shaivism, in fact I find the teachings to be among the most foolish of Hindu belief systems. >> Tim, I am a student of Kashmir Shiavism and have been for many years. It is comprised of four doctrines: Vijnanabhairava, Shiva Sutras, Pratyabhijnahrdayam and the Spanda Karikas. Which of these beautiful scriptures do you find foolish? Please clarify. It is a magnificent path about the nature of reality and Self-recognition. I want to suggest you temper your criticisms with love. With love, the true meaning of our teachers' words come alive. With love, our hearts open and we become receptive to what you are trying to say. I wish you love. Jai! Jody (Premadevi) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 1999 Report Share Posted May 20, 1999 In a message dated 5/19/99 12:57:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, fewtch writes: << The words themselves are collections of letters with no power to do anything. >> What about mantras? What about the collection of letters in mantras? Words have power, whether we believe they do or not. Amen! Jody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 1999 Report Share Posted May 22, 1999 On Thu, 20 May 1999 JodyHolly1 wrote: > JodyHolly1 > > In a message dated 5/19/99 12:57:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > fewtch writes: > > << The words themselves are collections of letters with no power to do > anything. >> > What about mantras? What about the collection of letters in mantras? Words > have power, whether we believe they do or not. > > Amen! > > Jody Jody I too feel that wat u say is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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