Guest guest Posted May 20, 1999 Report Share Posted May 20, 1999 In a message dated 5/17/99 1:39:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, yogeshananda writes: << If you see wickedness there, the wickedness is not God. Behind the character, behind the name and form, is the presence of God.. ..You cannot change the world. Pray for everybody. But by praying for everybody, you help yourself. Transform yourself. " >> Dear Swami Yogeshanandaji, Hari Om! Hari Om! Hari Om! Pranams! Thank you very much for such kind advice. Though I fully agree with the above statements, I have got a doubt on related matter. The other day I was reading atharva veda where the rishi says " my enemy should die, he should die like a lizard that falls from the highest peek. He should die, by vomiting blood which looks as red as the sunset.... " My humble apologies for this loose translation. Also, pardon me for not giving the reference as I don't have the book at hand. I am sure, scholars like you are aware of which portion of veda, I am referring here. Anyway, my question is " why is our atharvaveda is filled with such kind of terrifying hymns? " . Looking forward to learn at his feet. humble pranams once again, Madhava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 1999 Report Share Posted May 22, 1999 Dear Madhava, Namaste. Yours is a very good question, raising legitimate doubts about the sruti, the sacred Vedas. Western and Indian scholars alike now agree that the Atharva Veda is not in the same class with the other three. It was composed/compiled years later, when a degradation had taken place in society. Even the other three contain passages which are threatening, cursing, indicative of a mean or narrow mentality and so on. You recall what Sri Ramakrishna says about scriptures? " They are a mixture of sand and sugar. Be a clever ant and pick out the grains of sugar, leaving the sand. " There are wonderful parts in the Atharvaveda, healing charms and helps for living a healthy and holy life--which descended as the Ayurveda, so heavily relied on by Deepak Chopra in his books and talks. Lord be with you, Yogeshananda > > > > > > > > > > > >------ >Give back to your community through " Grow to Give. " >http://www.ONElist.com >See homepage for details. >------ >Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah >Vivekananda Centre London >http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 1999 Report Share Posted May 22, 1999 In a message dated 5/22/99 6:59:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, yogeshananda writes: << Swami Yogeshananda <yogeshananda Dear Madhava, Namaste. Yours is a very good question, raising legitimate doubts about the sruti, the sacred Vedas. >> Dear Swami Yogeshananda, I must have missed the posting from Madhava. To what question are you referring? Would you kindly clarify? Shanti! Jody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 1999 Report Share Posted May 23, 1999 Dear Swami Yogeshanandaji, Hari Om! Hari Om! Hari Om! Pranams! Thank you very much for such kind advice. Though I fully agree with the above statements, I have got a doubt on related matter. The other day I was reading atharva veda where the rishi says " my enemy should die, he should die like a lizard that falls from the highest peek. He should die, by vomiting blood which looks as red as the sunset.... " My humble apologies for this loose translation. Also, pardon me for not giving the reference as I don't have the book at hand. I am sure, scholars like you are aware of which portion of veda, I am referring here. Anyway, my question is " why is our atharvaveda is filled with such kind of terrifying hymns? " . Looking forward to learn at his feet. humble pranams once again, Madhava >------ >ONElist: bringing the world together. > >Join a new list today! >------ >Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah >Vivekananda Centre London >http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 1999 Report Share Posted May 23, 1999 I think they are for self protection or to fight back when needed. one should be very careful in using them for if misused Guru takes the power back. One may also generate some bad situations for oneself if one is misusing them. On Sat, 22 May 1999, Swami Yogeshananda wrote: > Swami Yogeshananda <yogeshananda > > Dear Swami Yogeshanandaji, > > Hari Om! Hari Om! Hari Om! > > Pranams! > > Thank you very much for such kind advice. Though I fully agree with the > above statements, I have got a doubt on related matter. > > The other day I was reading atharva veda where the rishi says " my enemy > should die, he should die like a lizard that falls from the highest peek. He > should die, by vomiting blood which looks as red as the sunset.... " > > My humble apologies for this loose translation. Also, pardon me for not > giving the reference as I don't have the book at hand. I am sure, scholars > like you are aware of which portion of veda, I am referring here. Anyway, my > question is " why is our atharvaveda is filled with such kind of terrifying > hymns? " . Looking forward to learn at his feet. > > humble pranams once again, > Madhava > >------ > >ONElist: bringing the world together. > > > >Join a new list today! > >------ > >Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > >Vivekananda Centre London > >http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ > > > > > ------ > What was YOUR favorite part?! > > Tell other Star Wars fans at ONElist! > ------ > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 1999 Report Share Posted May 26, 1999 Bhagawan Sri Ramakrishna had offered some advice along these lines too. Of course, the principal cause for evil & contention are deemed wealth & woman (read as 'physical pleasures') - to the extent one distances oneself from these, evil fails to reach one. Did not Ramakrishna advocate being practical in worldly matters - one of his disciples ended up paying more to a grocer thinking that it is not spiritually helpful to haggle over prices - Ramakrishna made fun of the disciple along the lines - " do you go to grocer expecting spiritual sadhana, ... " (paraphrase only, not exact quote). I see a similar advice for being practical from Paramahamsa Yogananda's Guru, Sri Yukteswar Giri Baba - He is supposed to have been dragged into several property disputes related to his home & Asram from unscrupulous people - apparently he had fought the legal battles to the finish to retain custody of his Asram. Doesn't the Gita advocate us to engage in unflinching action when confronted with evil ? Can I ask for the views of other list members on this ? Regards, Hari Krishna Anurag Goel [sMTP:anurag] Sunday, May 23, 1999 5:58 AM Ramakrishna Re: [ramakrishna] Digest Number 76 Anurag Goel <anurag I think they are for self protection or to fight back when needed. one should be very careful in using them for if misused Guru takes the power back. One may also generate some bad situations for oneself if one is misusing them. On Sat, 22 May 1999, Swami Yogeshananda wrote: > Swami Yogeshananda <yogeshananda > > Dear Swami Yogeshanandaji, > > Hari Om! Hari Om! Hari Om! > > Pranams! > > Thank you very much for such kind advice. Though I fully agree with the > above statements, I have got a doubt on related matter. > > The other day I was reading atharva veda where the rishi says " my enemy > should die, he should die like a lizard that falls from the highest peek. He > should die, by vomiting blood which looks as red as the sunset.... " > > My humble apologies for this loose translation. Also, pardon me for not > giving the reference as I don't have the book at hand. I am sure, scholars > like you are aware of which portion of veda, I am referring here. Anyway, my > question is " why is our atharvaveda is filled with such kind of terrifying > hymns? " . Looking forward to learn at his feet. > > humble pranams once again, > Madhava > >------ > >ONElist: bringing the world together. > > > >Join a new list today! > >------ > >Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > >Vivekananda Centre London > >http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ > > > > > ------ > What was YOUR favorite part?! > > Tell other Star Wars fans at ONElist! > ------ > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ > ------ ONElist members are using Shared Files in great ways! Are you? If not, see our homepage for details. ------ Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah Vivekananda Centre London http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 1999 Report Share Posted May 27, 1999 In a message dated 5/27/99 12:27:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hari.k.tadepalli writes: << Doesn't the Gita advocate us to engage in unflinching action when confronted with evil ? Can I ask for the views of other list members on this ? >> The thought that comes to mind in this regard is that as long as we are not attached to the results of our actions, we can participate in life in any way that we deem appropriate. When we are immersed in the spiritual life, it is important to trust our choices, to trust the path; it is not that things will turn out the way we want, but that whatever choices we make will bring results...not necessarily the results we seek, but the potential for spiritual growth is inherent in the results of our actions. Life seems to bring us the responses, situations and people we need to be continually purified so that we may grow closer to the divine within. Fear thwarts progress. Swamiji said it is important for us to be fearless and strong. Either God is everything or He is nothing. Love, Jody (Premadevi) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 1999 Report Share Posted May 27, 1999 Dear Everybody, Absence of hypocrisy is the basis of simple mindedness. Crookedness is opposite of simplicity. However, simplicity should not be confused with foolishness. Sri Ramakrishna has said that he would like his devotees to be simple but not fools. The attitude of simplicity should be nicely blended with tactfulness in everyday dealings so that others do not take undue advantage of us. All saints similarly advise us that in our day-to-day activities-vyawahara- we should guard against being cheated. To pay more for the thing of less value is not simplicity. One should test and inquire, and then alone finalize the deal. Similar attitude should be cultivated in accepting religious doctrines and ideas, as well as theories of physical and other sciences. But too much of critical inquiry and involvement as regards worldly activities and engagements actually may be harmful for one's spiritual progress. It would be better if we try to reduce our requirements and lessen our involvement so as to get more time for sadhana. dr c s shah ========================================== " Tadepalli, Hari K " wrote: > > " Tadepalli, Hari K " <hari.k.tadepalli > > Bhagawan Sri Ramakrishna had offered some advice along these lines too. Of > course, the principal cause for evil & contention are deemed wealth & woman > (read as 'physical pleasures') - to the extent one distances oneself from > these, evil fails to reach one. Did not Ramakrishna advocate being practical > in worldly matters - one of his disciples ended up paying more to a grocer > thinking that it is not spiritually helpful to haggle over prices - > Ramakrishna made fun of the disciple along the lines - " do you go to grocer > expecting spiritual sadhana, ... " (paraphrase only, not exact quote). > > I see a similar advice for being practical from Paramahamsa Yogananda's > Guru, Sri Yukteswar Giri Baba - He is supposed to have been dragged into > several property disputes related to his home & Asram from unscrupulous > people - apparently he had fought the legal battles to the finish to retain > custody of his Asram. > > Doesn't the Gita advocate us to engage in unflinching action when confronted > with evil ? Can I ask for the views of other list members on this ? > > Regards, > > Hari Krishna > > > Anurag Goel [sMTP:anurag] > Sunday, May 23, 1999 5:58 AM > Ramakrishna > Re: [ramakrishna] Digest Number 76 > > Anurag Goel <anurag > > I think they are for self protection or to fight back when needed. > one should be very careful in using them for if misused Guru takes > the > power back. One may also generate some bad situations for oneself if > one > is misusing them. > > > On Sat, 22 May 1999, Swami Yogeshananda wrote: > > > Swami Yogeshananda <yogeshananda > > > > Dear Swami Yogeshanandaji, > > > > Hari Om! Hari Om! Hari Om! > > > > Pranams! > > > > Thank you very much for such kind advice. Though I fully agree > with the > > above statements, I have got a doubt on related matter. > > > > The other day I was reading atharva veda where the rishi says " my > enemy > > should die, he should die like a lizard that falls from the > highest peek. He > > should die, by vomiting blood which looks as red as the > sunset.... " > > > > My humble apologies for this loose translation. Also, pardon me > for not > > giving the reference as I don't have the book at hand. I am sure, > scholars > > like you are aware of which portion of veda, I am referring here. > Anyway, my > > question is " why is our atharvaveda is filled with such kind of > terrifying > > hymns? " . Looking forward to learn at his feet. > > > > humble pranams once again, > > Madhava > > > >------ > > >ONElist: bringing the world together. > > > > > >Join a new list today! > > > >------ > > >Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > > >Vivekananda Centre London > > >http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > What was YOUR favorite part?! > > > > Tell other Star Wars fans at ONElist! > > > ------ > > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > > Vivekananda Centre London > > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ > > > > > ------ > ONElist members are using Shared Files in great ways! > > Are you? If not, see our homepage for details. > > ------ > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ > > ------ > Campaign 2000 is here! > > Discuss your thoughts; get informed at ONElist. See our homepage. > ------ > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 1999 Report Share Posted May 27, 1999 Can someone quote this incident related to Shree Ramakrishna Pramahansa in full. Please. On Wed, 26 May 1999, Tadepalli, Hari K wrote: > " Tadepalli, Hari K " <hari.k.tadepalli > > > Bhagawan Sri Ramakrishna had offered some advice along these lines too. Of > course, the principal cause for evil & contention are deemed wealth & woman > (read as 'physical pleasures') - to the extent one distances oneself from > these, evil fails to reach one. Did not Ramakrishna advocate being practical > in worldly matters - one of his disciples ended up paying more to a grocer > thinking that it is not spiritually helpful to haggle over prices - > Ramakrishna made fun of the disciple along the lines - " do you go to grocer > expecting spiritual sadhana, ... " (paraphrase only, not exact quote). > > I see a similar advice for being practical from Paramahamsa Yogananda's > Guru, Sri Yukteswar Giri Baba - He is supposed to have been dragged into > several property disputes related to his home & Asram from unscrupulous > people - apparently he had fought the legal battles to the finish to retain > custody of his Asram. > > Doesn't the Gita advocate us to engage in unflinching action when confronted > with evil ? Can I ask for the views of other list members on this ? > > Regards, > > Hari Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 1999 Report Share Posted May 28, 1999 Dear Anurag, May I recommend the following book for Gospel of Ramakrishna references: CONCORDANCE TO THE GOSPEL OF SRI RAMAKRISHNA by Katherine Whitmarsh. It can be ordered through the Vedanta Catalog, 1946 Vedanta Place, Hollywood, CA 90068-3996, FAX # (213) 465-9568, email address info. There are many many references to " woman and gold " . Yours, Edith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 1999 Report Share Posted May 28, 1999 Dear Edith, thanks! i will look ahead to get it. Regards On Thu, 27 May 1999, EDTipple wrote: > EDTipple <edtipple > > Dear Anurag, > > May I recommend the following book for Gospel of Ramakrishna > references: CONCORDANCE TO THE GOSPEL OF SRI RAMAKRISHNA by Katherine > Whitmarsh. It can be ordered through the Vedanta Catalog, 1946 > Vedanta Place, Hollywood, CA 90068-3996, FAX # (213) 465-9568, email > address info. There are many many references to " woman > and gold " . > Yours, Edith > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 1999 Report Share Posted May 28, 1999 >Anurag Goel <anurag > > >Can someone quote this incident related to Shree Ramakrishna Pramahansa in >full. Please. > >The full incident is as follows: Sri Ramakrishna had asked his young man >disciple Yogin (later Swami Yogananda -- not the Paramahamsa) to go to the >market and buy a frying pan. When it was brought the Master discovered a >crack in it that someone had tried to disguise. He scolded Yogin, saying > " What! Did you not examine it thoroughly? " The hoy mumbled something >about the merchant being a good guy. " You fool " , said Ramakrishna, " I asked you to be devotee, I didn't ask you to be a fool! Always get full measure of what you pay for. Those people are not there to do spiritual practice. " Nice! Yours, Yogeshananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 1999 Report Share Posted May 29, 1999 > Dear Everybody, > > Absence of hypocrisy is the basis of simple mindedness. Crookedness is > opposite of simplicity. However, simplicity should not be confused with > foolishness. Sri Ramakrishna has said that he would like his devotees to > be simple but not fools. [Madhava Replies:] Just sharing this information with the fellow seekers: There is " prahlAda bali saMvAda " in Mahabharata where Droupadi advises DharamarAja on the point " how to deal with worldly matters, how to show anger, is anger necessary.. " . This text is quite essential to the modern days managers. Sri Ramakrisha Paramahamsa's fatherly advice, on how to behave on worldly matters, proves to the world what a great master, as well as a learned scholar, he is...! Regards, Madhava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 1999 Report Share Posted May 29, 1999 Thanks! Yogeshananda I was thinking whether one should bargain the price of some item or not. > > >The full incident is as follows: Sri Ramakrishna had asked his young > man >disciple Yogin (later Swami Yogananda -- not the Paramahamsa) to go > to the >market and buy a frying pan. When it was brought the Master > discovered a >crack in it that someone had tried to disguise. He > scolded Yogin, saying > " What! Did you not examine it thoroughly? " The > hoy mumbled something >about the merchant being a good guy. " You fool " , > said Ramakrishna, " I asked you to be devotee, I didn't ask you to be a > fool! Always get full measure of what you pay for. Those people are > not there to do spiritual practice. " Nice! Yours, Yogeshananda > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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