Guest guest Posted June 16, 1999 Report Share Posted June 16, 1999 Dear Jolly and everybody, The teachings and sayings of " great men " would always be misinterpreted as time passes. This is the case with the teachings of Jesus Christ; this would be the case regarding the life and teachings of Sri Ramakrishna and Vivekananda also. Our spiritual progress has not yet reached the stage where we can assimilate, realize, or experience the complete truths in their teachings. This is applicable to all the TEACHERS of all the Religions of all times in every country. And if anybody really cares to understand the place and role of woman in present day society, I would recommend reading of life of Sri Sarada Devi, spiritual consort of Sri Ramakrishna, who was the embodiment of wisdom and simplicity, purity and feminine virtues. The best available books are: (1) " Sri Sarada Devi The Great Wonder " Advaita Ashrama, Calcutta Publication, India. (2) " Holy Mother Sri Sarada Devi " , By Swami Gambhirananda, Sri Ramakrishna Math, Chennai Publication, India dr c s shah JodyHolly1 wrote: > > JodyHolly1 > > In a message dated 6/15/99 6:35:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > omtatsat writes: > > << St. Paul said on many occasions: " Woman, be subject to your husband " . >> > Tom, > > Who cares what St. Paul said? St. Paul was the creator of the Madonna/Whore > concept. Besides, to quote the New Testament in the Bible is a mistake since > it was changed many times during the first 300 years after it was originally > written. The human mind is the source for a lot of what we find in the > Bible. Did you know that Mary Magdalene was the chief disciple of Jesus > Christ and that there was actually a Gospel according to Mary Magadelene? > This information has been withheld by certain Popes in the early years of the > church. > > St. Paul was a man troubled by his own sexuality. The Truth elevates our > consciousness; it does not degrade or demean. The Truth enlightens. I do > not feel that all you have written Tom about women's place in life elevates > or enlightens. > > You know we can quote from many sources to support the position we take in > life, but that does not mean that we have touched on Truth. The mind > survives by being right and so it looks for agreement in whatever way it can > towards this end. > > All cultures are undergoing a transition when it comes to traditional > male/female roles and though it looks " evil " to you, Tom, it is ultimately > for a greater good that these changes are taking place. Women were never > meant to be subservient to men. This is not God's way. God's way is that > all of his creation should be total in its expression of the divine within > and that was Swamiji's message to the West. > > Om Shanti! > <A HREF= " http://members.aol.com/JodyHolly1/index.html " >Be Still and Know - > Jody Holly > </A> > http://members.aol.com/JodyHolly1/index.html > > ------ > Looking to expand your world? > > ONElist has 170,000 e-mail communities from which to choose! > ------ > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ -- ==================================== E-magazine on science and spirituality. Visit: http://come.to/neovedanta http://members.xoom.com/drcsshah/neovedanta/index.html http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/1704/index.html ==================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 1999 Report Share Posted June 16, 1999 > JodyHolly1 > > St. Paul was a man troubled by his own sexuality. The Truth elevates our > consciousness; it does not degrade or demean. The Truth enlightens. I do > > not feel that all you have written Tom about women's place in life > elevates > or enlightens. > > You know we can quote from many sources to support the position we take in > > life, but that does not mean that we have touched on Truth. The mind > survives by being right and so it looks for agreement in whatever way it > can > towards this end. > > All cultures are undergoing a transition when it comes to traditional > male/female roles and though it looks " evil " to you, Tom, it is ultimately > > for a greater good that these changes are taking place. Women were never > meant to be subservient to men. This is not God's way. God's way is that > > all of his creation should be total in its expression of the divine within > > and that was Swamiji's message to the West. > Kathi: I fully agree with Jody. The idea of gender is caused by the mind's identification with the body. In Vedanta, that's the first error, right? The mind is genderless! Therefore discussion on this topic is futile in this context, as this discussion itself is taking place with the use of the genderless mind. Regards. :-) Om Shanti Kathi (sex: male) ))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 1999 Report Share Posted June 16, 1999 I didn't get " In Vedanta, that's the first error, right? " kathi wat abt soul is it genderless too ? > > > Kathi: I fully agree with Jody. The idea of gender is caused by the mind's > identification with the body. In Vedanta, that's the first error, right? > The mind is genderless! Therefore discussion on this topic is futile in > this context, as this discussion itself is taking place with the use of the > genderless mind. Regards. :-) > > Om Shanti > Kathi > (sex: male) ))) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 1999 Report Share Posted June 17, 1999 Namaste The first error that I implied was the error everyone makes,i.e. I am the body. Sorry if I made it sound like Vedanta's error. I don't know what is meant by soul. Sometimes it is considered to be the mind. But in Vedanta it is the Atman. In anyway, both are genderless. Om Shanti Kathi > > Anurag Goel [sMTP:anurag] > Wednesday, June 16, 1999 5:07 PM > Ramakrishna > Re: [ramakrishna] Digest Number 102 > > Anurag Goel <anurag > > > I didn't get " In Vedanta, that's the first error, right? " > > > kathi wat abt soul is it genderless too ? > > > > > > > Kathi: I fully agree with Jody. The idea of gender is caused by the > mind's > > identification with the body. In Vedanta, that's the first error, > right? > > The mind is genderless! Therefore discussion on this topic is futile in > > this context, as this discussion itself is taking place with the use of > the > > genderless mind. Regards. :-) > > > > Om Shanti > > Kathi > > (sex: male) ))) > > > > > ------ > Having difficulty getting " in synch " with list members? > > Try ONElist's Shared Calendar to organize events, meetings and more! > ------ > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 1999 Report Share Posted June 17, 1999 yes earlier it was bit unclear. It's ok now. Yes i too think that Atmaa should be different from soul. mind is like an angency through which soul experiences , But can be that mind is closely attached to soul but gets unattached when we get liberation. Can be that some sort of mind along with soul takes one birth or the other. On Thu, 17 Jun 1999, K Kathirasan ADM NCS wrote: > K Kathirasan ADM NCS <kathirasan > > Namaste > > The first error that I implied was the error everyone makes,i.e. I am the > body. Sorry if I made it sound like Vedanta's error. > > I don't know what is meant by soul. Sometimes it is considered to be the > mind. But in Vedanta it is the Atman. In anyway, both are genderless. > > Om Shanti > Kathi > > > > > > Anurag Goel [sMTP:anurag] > > Wednesday, June 16, 1999 5:07 PM > > Ramakrishna > > Re: [ramakrishna] Digest Number 102 > > > > Anurag Goel <anurag > > > > > > I didn't get " In Vedanta, that's the first error, right? " > > > > > > kathi wat abt soul is it genderless too ? > > > > > > > > > > > Kathi: I fully agree with Jody. The idea of gender is caused by the > > mind's > > > identification with the body. In Vedanta, that's the first error, > > right? > > > The mind is genderless! Therefore discussion on this topic is futile in > > > this context, as this discussion itself is taking place with the use of > > the > > > genderless mind. Regards. :-) > > > > > > Om Shanti > > > Kathi > > > (sex: male) ))) > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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