Guest guest Posted June 25, 1999 Report Share Posted June 25, 1999 Dear Tom, At 04:11 AM 6/25/99 -0700, you wrote: ><omtatsat >It is much 'safer' to adopt a guru, that no longer resides in the human >body....and especially one, >whose teachings have stood the 'test of time'. I mean not to degrade your mind's posting, but I think this is important: Might I point out... that no realized being resides in the human body? The realized being resides in their true nature, the Absolute. The body and mind continue to function, as according to their natures, but there is no controller - these things function automatically. No guru who is realized ever moves from his or her locus... that of Brahman. Perhaps you meant to say it is safer to adopt a guru whose body/mind complex has ceased to function, and whose words remain behind? If so, I must clarify that this is not adopting a guru in the traditional sense, but rather adopting the sayings of a guru. >Sri Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsadeva, Sri Sarada Devi and Sri Swami >Vivekananda, fit into the above category. Unless these above have chosen to incarnate again in a human body, we must be honest in saying that until we ourselves are free, they are dead to us. Their beautiful words remain behind and have the power to inspire, but they reside still in the Absolute, which is cut off to us until we ourselves reside there. That is the 'goal'. >With the Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna as our guide, >we may be sure of the steps we take through this world. Yes, agreed... but some may still feel the need of a living guru's guidance... and that special, unconditionally loving and compassionate relationship bears some " looking into. " But admittedly there is great risk, especially in America, and in the 1990's. If one desires a living guru, that guru *must* be tested before a commitment is made... and if one asked " me " how long that test should take place, I would grab at the figure " ten years or more " as a general rule. If this time period is impossible, do not do it! >Incidentally, I would like to know what is happening >with the petition of the Ramakrishna Mission, >to the Government of India, concerning the designation of " non-Hindu minority >relgious denomination " , called: > " Ramakrishnaism " Non-Hindu minority religious denomination? Yet another " ism? " Forgive me, but I am disgusted and sickened. What has happened to India? >Victory to the Guru! Jai Sri Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsadeva! " Victory " to all Realized beings, and to all religions which bring men nearer to their true nature. Exclusionism is foreign to Advaita Vedanta! With Love, Tim ----- Visit The Core of the WWW at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 1999 Report Share Posted June 25, 1999 a good analysis is indeed sathya >Tim Gerchmez <fewtch >Ramakrishna >Ramakrishna >[ramakrishna] To Tom - Re: other gurus >Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:08:38 -0700 > >Tim Gerchmez <fewtch > > >Dear Tom, > >At 04:11 AM 6/25/99 -0700, you wrote: > ><omtatsat > > >It is much 'safer' to adopt a guru, that no longer resides in the human > >body....and especially one, > >whose teachings have stood the 'test of time'. > >I mean not to degrade your mind's posting, but I think this is important: >Might I point out... that no realized being resides in the human body? The >realized being resides in their true nature, the Absolute. The body and >mind continue to function, as according to their natures, but there is no >controller - these things function automatically. No guru who is realized >ever moves from his or her locus... that of Brahman. > >Perhaps you meant to say it is safer to adopt a guru whose body/mind >complex has ceased to function, and whose words remain behind? If so, I >must clarify that this is not adopting a guru in the traditional sense, but >rather adopting the sayings of a guru. > > >Sri Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsadeva, Sri Sarada Devi and Sri Swami > >Vivekananda, fit into the above category. > >Unless these above have chosen to incarnate again in a human body, we must >be honest in saying that until we ourselves are free, they are dead to us. >Their beautiful words remain behind and have the power to inspire, but they >reside still in the Absolute, which is cut off to us until we ourselves >reside there. That is the 'goal'. > > >With the Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna as our guide, > >we may be sure of the steps we take through this world. > >Yes, agreed... but some may still feel the need of a living guru's >guidance... and that special, unconditionally loving and compassionate >relationship bears some " looking into. " But admittedly there is great >risk, especially in America, and in the 1990's. If one desires a living >guru, that guru *must* be tested before a commitment is made... and if one >asked " me " how long that test should take place, I would grab at the figure > " ten years or more " as a general rule. If this time period is impossible, >do not do it! > > >Incidentally, I would like to know what is happening > >with the petition of the Ramakrishna Mission, > >to the Government of India, concerning the designation of " non-Hindu >minority >relgious denomination " , called: > > " Ramakrishnaism " > >Non-Hindu minority religious denomination? Yet another " ism? " Forgive me, >but I am disgusted and sickened. What has happened to India? > > >Victory to the Guru! Jai Sri Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsadeva! > > " Victory " to all Realized beings, and to all religions which bring men >nearer to their true nature. Exclusionism is foreign to Advaita Vedanta! > >With Love, > >Tim > >----- >Visit The Core of the WWW at: >http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html >Music, Poetry, Writings on Nondual Spiritual Topics. > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >Find people who care about what you care about. > >At ONElist: your connection to community. > >------ >Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah >Vivekananda Centre London >http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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