Guest guest Posted June 26, 1999 Report Share Posted June 26, 1999 Hello Everyone! Swami Yogeshananda Hari Om! Dear Tim, You wrote: " Perhaps you meant to say it is safer to adopt a guru whose body/mind complex has ceased to function, and whose words remain behind? If so, I must clarify that this is not adopting a guru in the traditional sense, but rather adopting the sayings of a guru. " Tom Comments: Hair-splitting technicalities, Tim. Even when we adopt a LIVE GURU, we are adopting his/her 'sayings'...are we concerned with other things....like how he/she brushes his/her hair? When one has the " Word " at his/her disposal....especially the 'Word', presented in such a simple and uncomplicated manner, as we find in the Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna...what need is there of further gurus? Do we need someone to explain to us the 'meaning' of Thakur's nectar-laden words? ____________________ Tim Said: [re: Gurus} " we must be honest in saying that until we ourselves are free, they are dead to us. " Tom Comments: The Guru lives in the WORD, Tim....and, as we assimilate the Word, we assimilate the Guru....we can even see Him/Her in our 'mind's eye' ____________________ Tom Said: " With the Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna as our guide, we may be sure of the steps we take through this world. " Tim Commented: " Yes, agreed... but some may still feel the need of a living guru's guidance... and that special, unconditionally loving and compassionate relationship bears some " looking into. " Tom comments on Tim's comment: When we were young children, Mommy would make sure to hold our hand, when we crossed the street. Now that we are men, we can walk alone. ____________________ Tom posted: " Incidentally, I would like to know what is happening with the petition of the Ramakrishna Mission, to the Government of India, concerning the designation of " non-Hindu minority >relgious denomination " , called: " Ramakrishnaism " Tim commented: Non-Hindu minority religious denomination? Yet another " ism? " Forgive me, but I am disgusted and sickened. What has happened to India? Tom says: Tim, my brother in Tapasya, nothing has happened to India. T'was ever thus! However, it should be mentioned that, if WE had the Gov't of India poking around in our affairs, then, we would probably look for a 'way out', too!.....Even if it meant another 'ism'. I sympathize wholeheartedly with this 'desire for independence', as expressed by the Ramakrishna Order and Mission. Again, doesn't anyone know what is happening, re this issue? ____________________ Tom said: " Victory to the Guru! Jai Sri Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsadeva! " Tim commented: " Victory " to all Realized beings, and to all religions which bring men nearer to their true nature. Exclusionism is foreign to Advaita Vedanta! " Tom says: Tim, my fellow seeker after Truth; when we say: " Victory to the Guru and Jai Sri Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsadeva " , are we being exclusionist? Thakur said, on many occasions, that all religions are paths leading to the same source: " GOD " ...so, by invoking and praising His Holy Name, we have all the 'bases covered' [as they say in baseball]. With Love and more love, Tom ____________________ ____ 123India - India's Premier Search Engine Get your Free Email Account at http://www.123india.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 1999 Report Share Posted June 27, 1999 > > Dear Tim, > > You wrote: > > > " Perhaps you meant to say it is safer to adopt a guru whose body/mind > complex has ceased to function, and whose words remain behind? If so, I must clarify that this is not adopting a guru in the traditional sense, but rather adopting the sayings of a guru. " > > Tom Comments: Hair-splitting technicalities, Tim. > > Even when we adopt a LIVE GURU, we are adopting his/her 'sayings'...are we concerned with other things....like how he/she brushes his/her hair? I like all the way my Guru behaves . The way he speaks , his silence, the way he walks, the way he dresses , the way he laughs , the way he scolds shishyaas, the way he says prayers... his every act teaches me much which i couldn't have learned even after reading even number of books for there is a Living knowledge in front of u. > > When one has the " Word " at his/her disposal....especially the 'Word', > presented in such a simple and uncomplicated manner, as we find in > the Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna...what need is there of further gurus? > Do we need someone to explain to us the 'meaning' of Thakur's nectar-laden words? The problem is that we r complicated. We complicate even the simplest of things. Guru is more than a knowledge, sayings.......... > ____________________ > Tim Said: [re: Gurus} > > " we must be honest in saying that until we ourselves are free, they are dead to us. " > > Tom Comments: > > The Guru lives in the WORD, Tim....and, as we assimilate the Word, > we assimilate the Guru....we can even see Him/Her in our 'mind's eye' > ____________________ > Tom Said: > " With the Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna as our guide, > we may be sure of the steps we take through this world. " > > Tim Commented: > > " Yes, agreed... but some may still feel the need of a living guru's > guidance... and that special, unconditionally loving and compassionate > relationship bears some " looking into. " > > Tom comments on Tim's comment: > > When we were young children, Mommy would make sure to hold our hand, when we crossed the street. Now that we are men, we can walk alone. Till Guru is with me i am everything when he is not there i am nothing. > ____________________ > > > Tom posted: > > " Incidentally, I would like to know what is happening > with the petition of the Ramakrishna Mission, > to the Government of India, concerning the designation of " non-Hindu > minority >relgious denomination " , called: > " Ramakrishnaism " > > Tim commented: > Non-Hindu minority religious denomination? Yet another " ism? " Forgive me, > but I am disgusted and sickened. What has happened to India? > > Tom says: > Tim, my brother in Tapasya, nothing has happened to India. T'was > ever thus! However, it should be mentioned that, if WE had the Gov't of India poking around in our affairs, then, we would probably look for a 'way out', too!.....Even if it meant another 'ism'. > I sympathize wholeheartedly with this 'desire for independence', > as expressed by the Ramakrishna Order and Mission. > > Again, doesn't anyone know what is happening, re this issue? > ____________________ > > Tom said: " Victory to the Guru! Jai Sri Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsadeva! " > > > Tim commented: > " Victory " to all Realized beings, and to all religions which bring men > nearer to their true nature. Exclusionism is foreign to Advaita Vedanta! " > > Tom says: > > Tim, my fellow seeker after Truth; when we say: " Victory to the Guru and Jai Sri Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsadeva " , are we being exclusionist? > Thakur said, on many occasions, that all religions are paths leading to the same source: " GOD " ...so, by invoking and praising His Holy Name, we have all the 'bases covered' [as they say in baseball]. > > With Love and more love, > > Tom > ____________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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