Guest guest Posted July 20, 1999 Report Share Posted July 20, 1999 NAMASTE There are more and more things coming up concerned with occult powers that are trapping many people. (Ex's: " Chakra Yoga " , " Divine Healing for Free " , " Sahaja Yoga, Self Realization for free on the Internet " , " Kundalini-awakening music " ). As I have been told by several swamis, the kundalini must be awakened by natural means, like prayer japa and meditation for the attainment of the spiritual goal. THERE ARE NO SHORTCUTS OR EASY WAYS OUT is what they say. If somehow the Kundalini is awakened by unnatural means (pranayama, and the things mentioned above) it is very dangerous at the least causing a severe psychological and mental imbalance. (Swami Brahmananda gave the following analogy: You want to get to the roof of the house. The only safe way is by the stairs. If you are thrown up on to the roof unnaturally, you will hurt yourself) Also if the kundalini is awakened it is not for gaining occult powers but for realizing God which is the ultimate goal. Sri Ramakrishna as well as all of his apostles strongly stated that 1) there is nothing in these powers i.e. they are useless, and 2) once acquired, it is impossible to make spiritual progress and realizae God (as Sri Krishna says in the Gita).Here are some parables and other experiences that show why the two statements above are true. From SRI RAMAKRISHNA THE GREAT MASTER, page 540: [sri Ramakrishna] continued, " What is there in these powers? Entangled in them the mind travels far from Existence-Knowledge-Bliss. Listen to a story: A man had two sons. Dispassion came on the elder in his youth. He left home as a monk while the younger got his education and became learned and virtuous. He then married and applied his mind to the performance of the duties of a householder. After twelve years the said monk came to see his birthplace. Surveying the land, and wealth on the property he called his brother's name. On hearing the call the younger brother came out, saw his elder brother and, beside himself with joy, saluted him. He brought him inside and served him in various ways and they conversed on various topics after taking their meal. The younger brother then asked the elder, 'Brother you have given up all these worldly pleasures and wandered as a monk for so long a time. Please tell me what you have gained by it.' As soon as the elder brother heard all this, he said, 'Do you want to see it? Then come with me' Saying so, he went with his brother to the bank of the river in the neighborhood, and said, 'Just see,' and immediately stepped on the waters of the river and walked to the other bank and called out to him,'Have you seen it?' The younger brother paid half a penny to the ferryman, crossed the river by boat, went up to hi brother and said, What have I seen?' The elder brother said, 'Why, have you not seen my crossing of the river on foot?' The younger brother the laughed and said,'Brother, have you not seen that I also have crossed the river by paying half a penny? But is this all you have got in return for putting up with so much suffering for twelve long years? You have got only what I accomplish so easily for just half a penny!' The elder brother was awakened by these words and applied hi mind to the realization of God. " Thus through stories , the Master explained to us in many ways that the attainment of such small powers , compared with things in the spiritual world , was very trifling and quite purposeless and was to be avoided by all means. .. . ------------------------------- This is also interesting: Narendra had been practicing meditation quite seriously under the guidance of the Master. One day the Master took him aside under a tree and asked, " Narendra, you will have to do much work in your later years, preaching, lecturing, organizing. I can give you the many powers I have in this [referring to himself] and they will help you very much to accomplish these things. " Narendra looked at up at him and asked, " Sir, will they help me in the realization of God. " " No " was the reply. " Then I do not want them. " The Master was very pleased with him. He was testing Narendra if he really wanted the realization of God or if he had a desire in the back of his mind for these useless occult powers. There is another very nice parable (concerning occult powers) of the Master's that I will share with you in the later part of the week. Next week I will mail out Swamiji's and Sri Ramakrishna's thoughts on " The need of a guru " for Gurupurnima which is on the 28th of July (full moon) HARI OM -Om Lala Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 1999 Report Share Posted July 21, 1999 Lovely opportunity to recount the glorious teachings of Thakur and Swamiji. Thanks a million! Vidya123 <Vidya123 ramakrishna <ramakrishna > Wednesday, July 21, 1999 1:29 AM [ramakrishna] Occult powers >Vidya123 > > >NAMASTE > >There are more and more things coming up concerned with occult powers that >are trapping many people. (Ex's: " Chakra Yoga " , " Divine Healing for Free " , > " Sahaja Yoga, Self Realization for free on the Internet " , > " Kundalini-awakening music " ). As I have been told by several swamis, the >kundalini must be awakened by natural means, like prayer japa and meditation >for the attainment of the spiritual goal. THERE ARE NO SHORTCUTS OR EASY >WAYS OUT is what they say. If somehow the Kundalini is awakened by unnatural >means (pranayama, and the things mentioned above) it is very dangerous at the >least causing a severe psychological and mental imbalance. (Swami >Brahmananda gave the following analogy: You want to get to the roof of the >house. The only safe way is by the stairs. If you are thrown up on to the >roof unnaturally, you will hurt yourself) > >Also if the kundalini is awakened it is not for gaining occult powers but for >realizing God which is the ultimate goal. Sri Ramakrishna as well as all of >his apostles strongly stated that 1) there is nothing in these powers i.e. >they are useless, and 2) once acquired, it is impossible to make spiritual >progress and realizae God (as Sri Krishna says in the Gita).Here are some >parables and other experiences that show why the two statements above are >true. > >From SRI RAMAKRISHNA THE GREAT MASTER, page 540: [sri Ramakrishna] continued, > " What is there in these powers? Entangled in them the mind travels far from >Existence-Knowledge-Bliss. Listen to a story: A man had two sons. >Dispassion came on the elder in his youth. He left home as a monk while the >younger got his education and became learned and virtuous. He then married >and applied his mind to the performance of the duties of a householder. >After twelve years the said monk came to see his birthplace. Surveying the >land, and wealth on the property he called his brother's name. On hearing >the call the younger brother came out, saw his elder brother and, beside >himself with joy, saluted him. He brought him inside and served him in >various ways and they conversed on various topics after taking their meal. >The younger brother then asked the elder, 'Brother you have given up all >these worldly pleasures and wandered as a monk for so long a time. Please >tell me what you have gained by it.' As soon as the elder brother heard all >this, he said, 'Do you want to see it? Then come with me' Saying so, he went >with his brother to the bank of the river in the neighborhood, and said, >'Just see,' and immediately stepped on the waters of the river and walked to >the other bank and called out to him,'Have you seen it?' The younger brother >paid half a penny to the ferryman, crossed the river by boat, went up to hi >brother and said, What have I seen?' The elder brother said, 'Why, have you >not seen my crossing of the river on foot?' The younger brother the laughed >and said,'Brother, have you not seen that I also have crossed the river by >paying half a penny? But is this all you have got in return for putting up >with so much suffering for twelve long years? You have got only what I >accomplish so easily for just half a penny!' The elder brother was awakened >by these words and applied hi mind to the realization of God. " >Thus through stories , the Master explained to us in many ways that the >attainment of such small powers , compared with things in the spiritual world >, was very trifling and quite purposeless and was to be avoided by all means. >. . > > >------------------------------- >This is also interesting: Narendra had been practicing meditation quite >seriously >under the guidance of the Master. One day the Master took him aside under a >tree and asked, " Narendra, you will have to do much work in your later >years, preaching, lecturing, organizing. I can give you the many powers I >have in this [referring to himself] and they will help you very much to >accomplish these things. " Narendra looked at up at him and asked, " Sir, will >they help me in the realization of God. " " No " was the reply. " Then I do not >want them. " The Master was very pleased with him. He was testing Narendra >if he really wanted the realization of God or if he had a desire in the back >of his mind for these useless occult powers. > >There is another very nice parable (concerning occult powers) of the Master's >that I will share with you in the later part of the week. Next week I will >mail out Swamiji's and Sri Ramakrishna's thoughts on " The need of a guru " for >Gurupurnima which is on the 28th of July (full moon) > >HARI OM >-Om Lala > > > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >ONElist: your connection to online communities. > >------ >Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah >Vivekananda Centre London >http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 1999 Report Share Posted July 22, 1999 Divine Healing is not same as Kundalini Awakening in full. It's a light step towards it. Even our rishi munis have referered to it as pranic healing (if i remember correctly hindi or sanskrit tranalation of it is the name). They developed sadhanas n hasta mudraas to balance the kundalini energies. Well can't say abt Sahaja Yoga. I visited that site n tried experiencing through internet but i was not sure if i can conclude something. Pranayama , neti etc. are very poweful exercises n they affect kundalini straight. They clear the body n mind of impurties to a considerable extent n make it suitable so that kundalini energy can flow in body peacefully. Sure that kundalini awakening alone by these exercises is dangerous for it can get unstable even after kundalini is awakenend as said by my Pujya Gurudev. Presence of Satguru is very much required in kundalini awakening process. I haven't heard of Chakra Yoga. But i think it involves deifferent mantraas or exercises to balance the energies of these chakraas. Some specific Music as such do help in Kundalini Awakening. Sure Mantraa Japaa n meditation is the safest path that too under the guidance of Satguru. Very true that the practices u have stated can't awaken the kundalini in full. The practices said above if practised with Mantraa Japaa n Meditation accelerate the process. It's the person's mind and it's notion abt it n body that has to undergo a change. A true quest for self. Unless one does that i think one can never realize the truth. One can have some experiences but not the truth unless one unframes ones mind. How fast the kundalini can rise in one's body will depend on the extent the person can handle the acceleration of it and how strong ones urge n sincerity towards it is. Recently i saw a movie " MATRIX " . Wat i was able to make out was kundalini awakening was shown in full there n a try has been given to understand it in scientific terms. The movie i think showed that wat the real human nature is n with it alone we can win the battle against the toughest evil in this mnovie represented by the computers that have come close enough to humans. On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 Vidya123 wrote: > Vidya123 > > > NAMASTE > > There are more and more things coming up concerned with occult powers that > are trapping many people. (Ex's: " Chakra Yoga " , " Divine Healing for Free " , > " Sahaja Yoga, Self Realization for free on the Internet " , > " Kundalini-awakening music " ). As I have been told by several swamis, the > kundalini must be awakened by natural means, like prayer japa and meditation > for the attainment of the spiritual goal. THERE ARE NO SHORTCUTS OR EASY > WAYS OUT is what they say. If somehow the Kundalini is awakened by unnatural > means (pranayama, and the things mentioned above) it is very dangerous at the > least causing a severe psychological and mental imbalance. (Swami > Brahmananda gave the following analogy: You want to get to the roof of the > house. The only safe way is by the stairs. If you are thrown up on to the > roof unnaturally, you will hurt yourself) > > Also if the kundalini is awakened it is not for gaining occult powers but for > realizing God which is the ultimate goal. Sri Ramakrishna as well as all of > his apostles strongly stated that 1) there is nothing in these powers i.e. > they are useless, and 2) once acquired, it is impossible to make spiritual > progress and realizae God (as Sri Krishna says in the Gita).Here are some > parables and other experiences that show why the two statements above are > true. > > From SRI RAMAKRISHNA THE GREAT MASTER, page 540: [sri Ramakrishna] continued, > " What is there in these powers? Entangled in them the mind travels far from > Existence-Knowledge-Bliss. Listen to a story: A man had two sons. > Dispassion came on the elder in his youth. He left home as a monk while the > younger got his education and became learned and virtuous. He then married > and applied his mind to the performance of the duties of a householder. > After twelve years the said monk came to see his birthplace. Surveying the > land, and wealth on the property he called his brother's name. On hearing > the call the younger brother came out, saw his elder brother and, beside > himself with joy, saluted him. He brought him inside and served him in > various ways and they conversed on various topics after taking their meal. > The younger brother then asked the elder, 'Brother you have given up all > these worldly pleasures and wandered as a monk for so long a time. Please > tell me what you have gained by it.' As soon as the elder brother heard all > this, he said, 'Do you want to see it? Then come with me' Saying so, he went > with his brother to the bank of the river in the neighborhood, and said, > 'Just see,' and immediately stepped on the waters of the river and walked to > the other bank and called out to him,'Have you seen it?' The younger brother > paid half a penny to the ferryman, crossed the river by boat, went up to hi > brother and said, What have I seen?' The elder brother said, 'Why, have you > not seen my crossing of the river on foot?' The younger brother the laughed > and said,'Brother, have you not seen that I also have crossed the river by > paying half a penny? But is this all you have got in return for putting up > with so much suffering for twelve long years? You have got only what I > accomplish so easily for just half a penny!' The elder brother was awakened > by these words and applied hi mind to the realization of God. " > Thus through stories , the Master explained to us in many ways that the > attainment of such small powers , compared with things in the spiritual world > , was very trifling and quite purposeless and was to be avoided by all means. > . . > > > ------------------------------- > This is also interesting: Narendra had been practicing meditation quite > seriously > under the guidance of the Master. One day the Master took him aside under a > tree and asked, " Narendra, you will have to do much work in your later > years, preaching, lecturing, organizing. I can give you the many powers I > have in this [referring to himself] and they will help you very much to > accomplish these things. " Narendra looked at up at him and asked, " Sir, will > they help me in the realization of God. " " No " was the reply. " Then I do not > want them. " The Master was very pleased with him. He was testing Narendra > if he really wanted the realization of God or if he had a desire in the back > of his mind for these useless occult powers. > > There is another very nice parable (concerning occult powers) of the Master's > that I will share with you in the later part of the week. Next week I will > mail out Swamiji's and Sri Ramakrishna's thoughts on " The need of a guru " for > Gurupurnima which is on the 28th of July (full moon) > > HARI OM > -Om Lala > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > ONElist: your connection to online communities. > > ------ > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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