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To All,

 

Thank you for your thoughtful insights on the question of meat-eating.

My concern, however, wasn't about the eating of meat per se (many

sources say even the Buddha ate meat). Nor was it about the slaughter of

animals for meat.

 

My problem is, rather, with the specfifc ceremony to Kali, held in the

Dakshineswar temple, that involves the beheading of a goat. It is my

understanding--through Ms. Harding's book--that this practivce is

current and accepted. Again, what offends me is not the slauhtering of

an animal (relatively insiginificant, when compared to this country's

slaughterhouses). And while it is true a few worshippers DO eat the

meat, the purpose of the ceremony is to placate Kali. This, to me, is

senseless and misguided at best.

 

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23 July 1999 17:02

[ramakrishna] Meat-Eating

 

 

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To All,

 

Thank you for your thoughtful insights on the question of meat-eating.

My concern, however, wasn't about the eating of meat per se (many

sources say even the Buddha ate meat). Nor was it about the slaughter of

animals for meat.

 

My problem is, rather, with the specfifc ceremony to Kali, held in the

Dakshineswar temple, that involves the beheading of a goat. It is my

understanding--through Ms. Harding's book--that this practivce is

current and accepted. Again, what offends me is not the slauhtering of

an animal (relatively insiginificant, when compared to this country's

slaughterhouses). And while it is true a few worshippers DO eat the

meat, the purpose of the ceremony is to placate Kali. This, to me, is

senseless and misguided at best.

 

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I was once thiking that we honour watever we eat or use. We call cow our

mother for we drink her milk just like we drink our mother's milk. We take

the share of cow's milk which is for her calf. That's why we call her

mother. We worship nature n respect nature for it gives us all we require

to survive.

 

Once there was some discussion on list abt offering of dhaturaa,bhang

to Lord Shiva. These r offered for Lord Shiva drank the poison to save

this world. These things or meat etc are offered so that he may remove

these from society. Similarly a Sadhak who consumes these during sadhana

is doing the same thing . He does it so that these evils be removed from

society. I think such yogis are called as " Shiva Yogis " . People mistake

these sadhakas or Tantriks for someone who consumes liquor n eat meat .

 

I am thinking offerings (not meat) offered can symbolize love towards

lord.

 

 

Also as Maa Kaali was born to fight against Rakta bijaa n she drank all

the blood so that it may not fall on the ground ( Every drop of blood

which fell on ground turned in to another Raktaa Bijaa ). She became so

violent

in battle that she became out of control than Lord shiva came

forward to offer his head to her . It is only than that Maa stopped.

It can be that beheading of Goat symbolizes that. ( I don't know if am

right abt this story abt Maa Kaali for heard it from some friend ).

 

 

On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, Allan Carpenter wrote:

 

> ALLANC (Allan Carpenter)

>

> To All,

>

> Thank you for your thoughtful insights on the question of meat-eating.

> My concern, however, wasn't about the eating of meat per se (many

> sources say even the Buddha ate meat). Nor was it about the slaughter of

> animals for meat.

>

> My problem is, rather, with the specfifc ceremony to Kali, held in the

> Dakshineswar temple, that involves the beheading of a goat. It is my

> understanding--through Ms. Harding's book--that this practivce is

> current and accepted. Again, what offends me is not the slauhtering of

> an animal (relatively insiginificant, when compared to this country's

> slaughterhouses). And while it is true a few worshippers DO eat the

> meat, the purpose of the ceremony is to placate Kali. This, to me, is

> senseless and misguided at best.

>

> ac

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Allan,

Your concern was for a goat sacrifice ritual still conducted at the

sacred Kali Temple at Dakshineshwar, which became a world famous pilgrim

centre by the hallowed memory of Bhagavan Sri Ramakrishna. I fully

understand your concern. But please remember that this temple is in a place

where the ordinary people including the Brahmins consumed mutton, almost as

their staple food. Basically, this custom must have originated from the idea

of offering their best staple food to their beloved deity.

The simplest way of providing a balanced diet in an affordable price for

the common man is to resort to the non-vegetarian food. Hence the meat

offering still continues there as there is still a lot of meat eating going

on in that part of India.

During Bhagavan Sri Ramakrishna` s time, he never used to visit Kali

Temple shrine on the days of sacrifices through the south coutyard of the

Nat Mandir to avoid the scene of the sacrificial post there.

But he never objected to it either. Takur was a " builder " ; not a

" destroyer " . He guided the followers from the station where they stand. In

Him everything is positive.

If you can eat meat by killing a goat, why don`t you first kill the goat

in front of your Mother and offer it to Her and eat Her prasad ?

Swami Vivekananda is also educating in this line his beloved disciple,

Sister Nivedita when she was horrified and objected to the sacrifices in

temples.

But I was told that in spite of the big hue and cry by the public, in

Calcutta Newspapers, regarding the transfer of the Kali temple

administration to the authorities of the RK Mission, the venerable monks of

the Order are keeping aloof on this issue mainly because of this animal

sacrifice. Belur Math cannot run an institution where animals are killed in

front of the shrine ! This represents the modern concerns like yours and

mine.

But a meat eating Kali devotee will innocently ask why not the whole

process of his eating be started ceremoniously and ritually at the benign

presence of his Beloved Mother.

Every one needs a place to lean upon in this world of misery and

uncertainty. Kali is definitely was a Goddess of the ordinary poor.

Ramaprasad and Bhagavan Sri Ramakrishna ratified the this Kali worship of

the ordinary poor in a sublime way proving the efficacy of worship

irrespective of the fact that they are elegant symbols or ordinary symbols.

So this controversy of animal sacrifice will vanish once for all if we

try to see the mental attitude by which worships are offered to the Lord

Almighty.

 

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Allan Carpenter <ALLANC

<Ramakrishna >

Friday, July 23, 1999 7:18 PM

[ramakrishna] Meat-Eating

 

 

> ALLANC (Allan Carpenter)

>

> To All,

>

> Thank you for your thoughtful insights on the question of meat-eating.

> My concern, however, wasn't about the eating of meat per se (many

> sources say even the Buddha ate meat). Nor was it about the slaughter of

> animals for meat.

>

> My problem is, rather, with the specfifc ceremony to Kali, held in the

> Dakshineswar temple, that involves the beheading of a goat. It is my

> understanding--through Ms. Harding's book--that this practivce is

> current and accepted. Again, what offends me is not the slauhtering of

> an animal (relatively insiginificant, when compared to this country's

> slaughterhouses). And while it is true a few worshippers DO eat the

> meat, the purpose of the ceremony is to placate Kali. This, to me, is

> senseless and misguided at best.

>

> ac

>

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>

>

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>

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