Guest guest Posted August 26, 1999 Report Share Posted August 26, 1999 Kathi, (hope you have a sense of humor) Edith wrote: And did not lust originate for the purpose of physical propagation of the race? You wrote: But I would greatly appreciate if you could elaborate more on the above statement you made. I do not seem to understand its import. Karen writes: Kathi you need to get out more. ;-) Actually, I thought I understood Edith to mean that lust, like hunger and thirst, also has its root in physical survival (of the race in this case and not the individual) ?? Is this what you meant Edith? -- Karen K Kathirasan ADM NCS wrote: > K Kathirasan ADM NCS <kathirasan > > Namaste Edith > > > EDTipple <edtipple > > > > Dear Jairam, > > > > And did not lust originate for the purpose of physical propagation of the > > race? > > > Kathi: I've been enjoying the verses that were posted from the > Vairagya Shatakam and really looking forward to the rest of them. But I > would greatly appreciate if you could elaborate more on the above statement > you made. I do not seem to understand its import. Thanks a million. > > Om Shanti > Kathi > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > Congrats to our GROW TO GIVE winners, ZENtertainment & ROTInews! > > > > Check out ONElist's latest program, FRIENDS & FAMILY. See homepage. > > > > ------ > > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > > Vivekananda Centre London > > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > ONElist: the best place to EXPLORE topics, SHARE ideas, and > CONNECT to people with the same interests. > > ------ > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 1999 Report Share Posted August 26, 1999 Dear friends, The body has only two diseases: 1. Hunger : Medicine Food, 2. Thirst : Medicine Water. Physical propagation is not our out look; it is His. Who knows tomorrow HE may produce human beings out of sweat or by way of cloning! We wrongly presume that it is OUR DUTY TO MAINTAIN HIS WORLD OR LEELA OR PLAY!!! Lust is in fact the trick mind-body complex plays! dr c s shah ==================================== E-magazine on science and spirituality. Visit: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/1704/index.html http://members.xoom.com/drcsshah/neovedanta/index.html ==================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 1999 Report Share Posted August 27, 1999 Namaste Karen Should I react or shall I not? Thanx for the reply, my friend Karen. I do have a poor sense of humour, I agree (apologies ). Most of the time I compose my e-mails at work and I am usually under stress. That's why I send very very short mails. Today, I am going to send the longest mail I've ever sent to the list. (pardon me for digressing) My request for Edith to clarify clearly displays my incapacity to understand what was said. Initially, I didn't see the relation between the 'body/mind complex' & 'physical propagation of the race'. I to Jairam's viewpoint and in my opinion, lust cannot be compared with hunger or thirst. Simply because, the latter is a NEED while the former is a WANT. If you were to observe a baby, only the latter is present but not the former. Therefore, the idea of lust has to be introduced to the mind before it can even lust. But in the case of hunger or thirst, it is not. Paramahansa Yogananda has even classified needs into Essential Needs and Non-essential needs. Lust can only be classified as an Non-essential need at the extreme unless one belongs to the Vamachara school of Tantra. When I try to define lust, I can only say it is 'the desire for sexual enjoyment'. It is not the sexual enjoyment that is the problem, but the desire itself. The mind dictates the body and not vice versa. Therefore, I somehow seem inclined to view as lust belonging to the domain of the mind, although it later expresses itself in the body. Karen, pls feel free to comment on my views and the rest of the list members too. Do tell me if I am wrong. After all I am here to learn. Om Shanti Kathi > > Westend Ashram at Colorado Springs [sMTP:urbanashram] > Thursday, August 26, 1999 7:14 PM > Ramakrishna > [ramakrishna] Lust and Hunger > > Westend Ashram at Colorado Springs <urbanashram > > Kathi, > > (hope you have a sense of humor) > > Edith wrote: > And did not lust originate for the purpose of physical propagation of > the > race? > > You wrote: > But I would greatly appreciate if you could elaborate more on the > above > statement you made. I do not seem to understand its import. > > Karen writes: > Kathi you need to get out more. ;-) > > Actually, I thought I understood Edith to mean that lust, like hunger > and > thirst, > also has its root in physical survival (of the race in this case and > not > the > individual) ?? Is this what you meant Edith? > > -- Karen > > K Kathirasan ADM NCS wrote: > > > K Kathirasan ADM NCS <kathirasan > > > > Namaste Edith > > > > > EDTipple <edtipple > > > > > > Dear Jairam, > > > > > > And did not lust originate for the purpose of physical propagation of > the > > > race? > > > > > Kathi: I've been enjoying the verses that were posted from the > > Vairagya Shatakam and really looking forward to the rest of them. But I > > would greatly appreciate if you could elaborate more on the above > statement > > you made. I do not seem to understand its import. Thanks a million. > > > > Om Shanti > > Kathi > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor > ---------------------------- > > > > > > Congrats to our GROW TO GIVE winners, ZENtertainment & ROTInews! > > > > > > Check out ONElist's latest program, FRIENDS & FAMILY. See homepage. > > > > > > > ------ > > > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > > > Vivekananda Centre London > > > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > ONElist: the best place to EXPLORE topics, SHARE ideas, and > > CONNECT to people with the same interests. > > > > ------ > > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > > Vivekananda Centre London > > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Congrats to our GROW TO GIVE winners, ZENtertainment & ROTInews! > > Check out ONElist's latest program, FRIENDS & FAMILY. See homepage. > > ------ > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 1999 Report Share Posted August 27, 1999 Namaste Kathi, Kathi ur words r outpouring the sincerity to learn filled with the trueness in ur mind. Kathi ur insights r praise worthy. I remember once back we had a discussion abt lust on the list. As Jody pointed out that lust is in mind. Lust is much frm a healthy sexual realtionship. Lust results frm ignorance n distortions in the mind. Let the desires to mate dominate ones thinking n one is on the way towards hell. We never look the world as it is. We always look at it through distorted views that's wat lust results frm. Lust can be there even w/o going in to physical relationship. As in of the discussions abt monastery Jody or kathi ( Don't know who ) pointed out that its during Adult age that sexual urges dominate as compared to rest of the life cycle. Truly the desires to mate r not just purely out of mind. If one is in to sincere spiritual discipline n is doing something that diverts the energy to other purposes then its fine otherwise celibate life can give one a hardest time. The desires to mate r essential for such a person. If a yogi wants he can live w/o food or drink let alone desires to mate. I don't know much abt Vamacharaa school of tantra but sure i guess a pious soul wil run away frm it like anything or may be the opposite. But still it's path as Shree Ramakrishna Paramhansa has said that there numerous ways to enter the house of Lord (Hope i am right here n quoting in right context). But i think Vamacharaa school of tantra is something in which one too has to rise above addiction or lust or desires or discrimination just that the ways r different. anyway lets not bother ourselves with it unless we r sure that we can handle a discussion or thinking abt this path for we r still kids. Watever The path of Divine Love is something beyond words. If one wants to taste the true nectar to divinty it should be filled with all love. Love is something which is far beyond the desire to mate. Try understanding Shree Krishna n his relation with gopis there its all love n pure love. Its said that one od the reason for the Lord to incarnate as Shree Krishna was to show that love is something far from desire to mate. Love which is beyond all distortions or relations . with love, On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, K Kathirasan ADM NCS wrote: > K Kathirasan ADM NCS <kathirasan > > Namaste Karen > > Should I react or shall I not? Thanx for the reply, my friend Karen. I > do have a poor sense of humour, I agree (apologies ). Most of the time I > compose my e-mails at work and I am usually under stress. That's why I send > very very short mails. Today, I am going to send the longest mail I've ever > sent to the list. (pardon me for digressing) > > My request for Edith to clarify clearly displays my incapacity to understand > what was said. Initially, I didn't see the relation between the 'body/mind > complex' & 'physical propagation of the race'. I to Jairam's > viewpoint and in my opinion, lust cannot be compared with hunger or thirst. > Simply because, the latter is a NEED while the former is a WANT. If you > were to observe a baby, only the latter is present but not the former. > Therefore, the idea of lust has to be introduced to the mind before it can > even lust. But in the case of hunger or thirst, it is not. Paramahansa > Yogananda has even classified needs into Essential Needs and Non-essential > needs. Lust can only be classified as an Non-essential need at the extreme > unless one belongs to the Vamachara school of Tantra. > > When I try to define lust, I can only say it is 'the desire for sexual > enjoyment'. It is not the sexual enjoyment that is the problem, but the > desire itself. The mind dictates the body and not vice versa. Therefore, I > somehow seem inclined to view as lust belonging to the domain of the mind, > although it later expresses itself in the body. > > Karen, pls feel free to comment on my views and the rest of the list members > too. Do tell me if I am wrong. After all I am here to learn. > > Om Shanti > Kathi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 1999 Report Share Posted August 28, 1999 Dear Karen, In answering Jairam's statement that hunger and thirst were of the body but that lust was of the mind, I meant to remind him that it's gross cause was propagation, survival of the species. In a further comment to him, however, I dealt with the fact that the same thing can be manifested in both a gross state (body) or subtle state (mind). Is this clear? Edith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 1999 Report Share Posted August 28, 1999 Dear Dr. Shah, You say that we WRONGLY PRESUME that it is our duty to maintain the Lord's world (by propagation). My suggestion was that it was not a conscious decision at all. My premise is that lust has two causes: 1) gross, to propagate the species 2) subtle, love, approval, etc. Or perhaps you were making fun... Edith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 1999 Report Share Posted August 28, 1999 Dear Kathi, On the body/mind complex subject you say: Initially, I didn't see the relation between the 'body/mind complex' & 'physical propagation of the race'. I to Jairam's viewpoint and in my opinion, lust cannot be compared with hunger or thirst. Simply because, the latter is a NEED while the former is a WANT. That is the point I am trying to make, that from a genetic standpoint, from a purely gross, physical, genetic standpoint, lust is also a NEED for the species. You and Jairam are refining it to the subtle point of view: different set of rules. Because it is a specie specific need does not mean you have to conduct your life on that gross, physical level. Spiritual aspirants are all certainly dealing with the subtle level instead. Edith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 1999 Report Share Posted August 28, 1999 Dear Edith, My suggestion to you is to drop this subject for a while. It is full of contradictions and is confusing to all. dr c s shah ================================= E-magazine on science and spirituality. Visit: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/1704/index.html http://members.xoom.com/drcsshah/neovedanta/index.html ==================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 1999 Report Share Posted August 28, 1999 Sorry Kathi, really, it was just a joke!!! simply a play on the words " physical propagation " and " do not understand " ! not meant to be taken seriously. i'm basically a nun (ok, i'm married but to a sort-of monk) most of the time and don't worry too much about that stuff so I just laugh. Sorry, no hurt intended. -- Karen K Kathirasan ADM NCS wrote: > K Kathirasan ADM NCS <kathirasan > > Namaste Karen > > Should I react or shall I not? Thanx for the reply, my friend Karen. I > do have a poor sense of humour, I agree (apologies ). Most of the time I > compose my e-mails at work and I am usually under stress. That's why I send > very very short mails. Today, I am going to send the longest mail I've ever > sent to the list. (pardon me for digressing) > > My request for Edith to clarify clearly displays my incapacity to understand > what was said. Initially, I didn't see the relation between the 'body/mind > complex' & 'physical propagation of the race'. I to Jairam's > viewpoint and in my opinion, lust cannot be compared with hunger or thirst. > Simply because, the latter is a NEED while the former is a WANT. If you > were to observe a baby, only the latter is present but not the former. > Therefore, the idea of lust has to be introduced to the mind before it can > even lust. But in the case of hunger or thirst, it is not. Paramahansa > Yogananda has even classified needs into Essential Needs and Non-essential > needs. Lust can only be classified as an Non-essential need at the extreme > unless one belongs to the Vamachara school of Tantra. > > When I try to define lust, I can only say it is 'the desire for sexual > enjoyment'. It is not the sexual enjoyment that is the problem, but the > desire itself. The mind dictates the body and not vice versa. Therefore, I > somehow seem inclined to view as lust belonging to the domain of the mind, > although it later expresses itself in the body. > > Karen, pls feel free to comment on my views and the rest of the list members > too. Do tell me if I am wrong. After all I am here to learn. > > Om Shanti > Kathi > > > > > Westend Ashram at Colorado Springs [sMTP:urbanashram] > > Thursday, August 26, 1999 7:14 PM > > Ramakrishna > > [ramakrishna] Lust and Hunger > > > > Westend Ashram at Colorado Springs <urbanashram > > > > Kathi, > > > > (hope you have a sense of humor) > > > > Edith wrote: > > And did not lust originate for the purpose of physical propagation of > > the > > race? > > > > You wrote: > > But I would greatly appreciate if you could elaborate more on the > > above > > statement you made. I do not seem to understand its import. > > > > Karen writes: > > Kathi you need to get out more. ;-) > > > > Actually, I thought I understood Edith to mean that lust, like hunger > > and > > thirst, > > also has its root in physical survival (of the race in this case and > > not > > the > > individual) ?? Is this what you meant Edith? > > > > -- Karen > > > > K Kathirasan ADM NCS wrote: > > > > > K Kathirasan ADM NCS <kathirasan > > > > > > Namaste Edith > > > > > > > EDTipple <edtipple > > > > > > > > Dear Jairam, > > > > > > > > And did not lust originate for the purpose of physical propagation of > > the > > > > race? > > > > > > > Kathi: I've been enjoying the verses that were posted from the > > > Vairagya Shatakam and really looking forward to the rest of them. But I > > > would greatly appreciate if you could elaborate more on the above > > statement > > > you made. I do not seem to understand its import. 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Guest guest Posted August 28, 1999 Report Share Posted August 28, 1999 yes, thanks! EDTipple wrote: > EDTipple <edtipple > > Dear Karen, > > In answering Jairam's statement that hunger and thirst were of the > body but that lust was of the mind, I meant to remind him that it's > gross cause was propagation, survival of the species. In a further > comment to him, however, I dealt with the fact that the same thing can > be manifested in both a gross state (body) or subtle state (mind). > Is this clear? > Edith > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > You can WIN $100 to Amazon.com by starting a new list at ONElist. > Drawing is held each week through September 17. For details go to: > <a href= " http://clickme./ad/Teaser116 " >Click Here</a> > > ------ > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 1999 Report Share Posted August 28, 1999 Namaste Anurag You insight truly sums up all our contentions and presents it in a beautiful way. Thanks a million. May God bless us all! Kathi > > Anurag Goel [sMTP:anurag] > Friday, August 27, 1999 5:40 PM > Ramakrishna > RE: [ramakrishna] Lust and Hunger > > Anurag Goel <anurag > > > Namaste Kathi, > Kathi ur words r outpouring the sincerity to learn filled > with the trueness in ur mind. Kathi ur insights r praise > worthy. > > I remember once back we had a discussion abt lust on the > list. As Jody pointed out that lust is in mind. Lust is > much frm a healthy sexual realtionship. Lust results frm > ignorance n distortions in the mind. Let the desires to > mate dominate ones thinking n one is on the way towards > hell. We never look the world as it is. We always look at > it through distorted views that's wat lust results frm. > > Lust can be there even w/o going in to physical > relationship. As in of the discussions abt monastery Jody > or kathi ( Don't know who ) pointed out that its during > Adult age that sexual urges dominate as compared to rest > of the life cycle. Truly the desires to mate r not just > purely out of mind. > > If one is in to sincere spiritual discipline n is > doing something that diverts the energy to other purposes > then its fine otherwise celibate life can give one a > hardest time. The desires to mate r essential for such a > person. > > If a yogi wants he can live w/o food or drink let alone > desires to mate. > > I don't know much abt Vamacharaa school of tantra but > sure i guess a pious soul wil run away frm it like > anything or may be the opposite. But still it's path as > Shree Ramakrishna Paramhansa has said that there numerous > ways to enter the house of Lord (Hope i am right here n > quoting in right context). But i think Vamacharaa school > of tantra is something in which one too has to rise > above addiction or lust or desires or discrimination just > that the ways r different. anyway lets not bother > ourselves with it unless we r sure that we can handle a > discussion or thinking abt this path for we r still kids. > > Watever The path of Divine Love is something beyond words. > If one wants to taste the true nectar to divinty it > should be filled with all love. Love is something > which is far beyond the desire to mate. Try understanding > Shree Krishna n his relation with gopis there its all love > n pure love. Its said that one od the reason for the > Lord to incarnate as Shree Krishna was to show that love > is something far from desire to mate. Love which is > beyond all distortions or relations . > > with love, > > On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, K Kathirasan ADM NCS wrote: > > > K Kathirasan ADM NCS <kathirasan > > > > Namaste Karen > > > > Should I react or shall I not? Thanx for the reply, my friend > Karen. I > > do have a poor sense of humour, I agree (apologies ). Most of the > time I > > compose my e-mails at work and I am usually under stress. That's why I > send > > very very short mails. Today, I am going to send the longest mail I've > ever > > sent to the list. (pardon me for digressing) > > > > My request for Edith to clarify clearly displays my incapacity to > understand > > what was said. Initially, I didn't see the relation between the > 'body/mind > > complex' & 'physical propagation of the race'. I to Jairam's > > viewpoint and in my opinion, lust cannot be compared with hunger or > thirst. > > Simply because, the latter is a NEED while the former is a WANT. If you > > were to observe a baby, only the latter is present but not the former. > > Therefore, the idea of lust has to be introduced to the mind before it > can > > even lust. But in the case of hunger or thirst, it is not. Paramahansa > > Yogananda has even classified needs into Essential Needs and > Non-essential > > needs. Lust can only be classified as an Non-essential need at the > extreme > > unless one belongs to the Vamachara school of Tantra. > > > > When I try to define lust, I can only say it is 'the desire for sexual > > enjoyment'. It is not the sexual enjoyment that is the problem, but the > > desire itself. The mind dictates the body and not vice versa. > Therefore, I > > somehow seem inclined to view as lust belonging to the domain of the > mind, > > although it later expresses itself in the body. > > > > Karen, pls feel free to comment on my views and the rest of the list > members > > too. Do tell me if I am wrong. After all I am here to learn. > > > > Om Shanti > > Kathi > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > ATTENTION ONElist MEMBERS! Are you getting your ONElist news? > If not, join our MEMBER NEWSLETTER here: > <a href= " http://clickme./ad/newsletter1 " >Click Here</a> > > ------ > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 1999 Report Share Posted August 28, 1999 Namaste Edith Form the genetic standpoint, lust is not a need. Procreation is the need. Lust seems to have a mental influence to it as it often means obsession or even mental pre-occupation. What do you think, Edith? Om Shanti Kathi > > EDTipple [sMTP:edtipple] > Saturday, August 28, 1999 8:02 AM > Ramakrishna > Re: [ramakrishna] Lust and Hunger > > EDTipple <edtipple > > Dear Kathi, > > On the body/mind complex subject you say: Initially, I didn't see > the relation between the 'body/mind > complex' & 'physical propagation of the race'. I to > Jairam's > viewpoint and in my opinion, lust cannot be compared with hunger or > thirst. > Simply because, the latter is a NEED while the former is a WANT. > > That is the point I am trying to make, that from a genetic standpoint, > from a purely gross, physical, genetic standpoint, lust is also a NEED > for the species. You and Jairam are refining it to the subtle point > of view: different set of rules. > > Because it is a specie specific need does not mean you have to conduct > your life on that gross, physical level. Spiritual aspirants are all > certainly dealing with the subtle level instead. > Edith > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Congratulations to Susan Davis! > ONElist's final FRIENDS & FAMILY WINNER! > Stay tuned for exciting new contests, sweepstakes & more at ONElist! > > ------ > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 1999 Report Share Posted August 28, 1999 Namaste Karen You don't have to apologise. :-) We are all part of the same family with one vision. Take care, Karen. Om Shanti Kathi > > Westend Ashram at Colorado Springs [sMTP:urbanashram] > Saturday, August 28, 1999 10:58 AM > Ramakrishna > Re: [ramakrishna] Lust and Hunger > > Westend Ashram at Colorado Springs <urbanashram > > Sorry Kathi, > > really, it was just a joke!!! > simply a play on the words " physical propagation " and " do not understand " ! > not meant to be taken seriously. > i'm basically a nun (ok, i'm married but to a sort-of monk) most of the > time and > don't worry too much about that stuff so I just laugh. Sorry, no hurt > intended. > > -- Karen > > > K Kathirasan ADM NCS wrote: > > > K Kathirasan ADM NCS <kathirasan > > > > Namaste Karen > > > > Should I react or shall I not? Thanx for the reply, my friend > Karen. I > > do have a poor sense of humour, I agree (apologies ). Most of the > time I > > compose my e-mails at work and I am usually under stress. That's why I > send > > very very short mails. Today, I am going to send the longest mail I've > ever > > sent to the list. (pardon me for digressing) > > > > My request for Edith to clarify clearly displays my incapacity to > understand > > what was said. Initially, I didn't see the relation between the > 'body/mind > > complex' & 'physical propagation of the race'. I to Jairam's > > viewpoint and in my opinion, lust cannot be compared with hunger or > thirst. > > Simply because, the latter is a NEED while the former is a WANT. If you > > were to observe a baby, only the latter is present but not the former. > > Therefore, the idea of lust has to be introduced to the mind before it > can > > even lust. But in the case of hunger or thirst, it is not. Paramahansa > > Yogananda has even classified needs into Essential Needs and > Non-essential > > needs. Lust can only be classified as an Non-essential need at the > extreme > > unless one belongs to the Vamachara school of Tantra. > > > > When I try to define lust, I can only say it is 'the desire for sexual > > enjoyment'. It is not the sexual enjoyment that is the problem, but the > > desire itself. The mind dictates the body and not vice versa. > Therefore, I > > somehow seem inclined to view as lust belonging to the domain of the > mind, > > although it later expresses itself in the body. > > > > Karen, pls feel free to comment on my views and the rest of the list > members > > too. Do tell me if I am wrong. After all I am here to learn. > > > > Om Shanti > > Kathi > > > > > > > > Westend Ashram at Colorado Springs > [sMTP:urbanashram] > > > Thursday, August 26, 1999 7:14 PM > > > Ramakrishna > > > [ramakrishna] Lust and Hunger > > > > > > Westend Ashram at Colorado Springs <urbanashram > > > > > > Kathi, > > > > > > (hope you have a sense of humor) > > > > > > Edith wrote: > > > And did not lust originate for the purpose of physical > propagation of > > > the > > > race? > > > > > > You wrote: > > > But I would greatly appreciate if you could elaborate more on the > > > above > > > statement you made. I do not seem to understand its import. > > > > > > Karen writes: > > > Kathi you need to get out more. ;-) > > > > > > Actually, I thought I understood Edith to mean that lust, like > hunger > > > and > > > thirst, > > > also has its root in physical survival (of the race in this case > and > > > not > > > the > > > individual) ?? Is this what you meant Edith? > > > > > > -- Karen > > > > > > K Kathirasan ADM NCS wrote: > > > > > > > K Kathirasan ADM NCS <kathirasan > > > > > > > > Namaste Edith > > > > > > > > > EDTipple <edtipple > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jairam, > > > > > > > > > > And did not lust originate for the purpose of physical propagation > of > > > the > > > > > race? > > > > > > > > > Kathi: I've been enjoying the verses that were posted from > the > > > > Vairagya Shatakam and really looking forward to the rest of them. > But I > > > > would greatly appreciate if you could elaborate more on the above > > > statement > > > > you made. I do not seem to understand its import. Thanks a > million. > > > > > > > > Om Shanti > > > > Kathi > > > > > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor > > > ---------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > Congrats to our GROW TO GIVE winners, ZENtertainment & ROTInews! > > > > > > > > > > Check out ONElist's latest program, FRIENDS & FAMILY. 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Guest guest Posted August 28, 1999 Report Share Posted August 28, 1999 Namaste Kathi, I feel it does not sum up all or not for still there r some thoughts which r to be solved. with love, On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, K Kathirasan ADM NCS wrote: > K Kathirasan ADM NCS <kathirasan > > Namaste Anurag > > You insight truly sums up all our contentions and presents it in a beautiful > way. Thanks a million. > > May God bless us all! > Kathi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 1999 Report Share Posted August 28, 1999 Aameen! > On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, K Kathirasan ADM NCS wrote: > > > K Kathirasan ADM NCS <kathirasan > > > > Namaste Anurag > > > > You insight truly sums up all our contentions and presents it in a beautiful > > way. Thanks a million. > > > > May God bless us all! > > Kathi > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 1999 Report Share Posted August 29, 1999 Anurag, so beautiful, thank you! - karen K Kathirasan ADM NCS wrote: > K Kathirasan ADM NCS <kathirasan > > Namaste Anurag > > You insight truly sums up all our contentions and presents it in a beautiful > way. Thanks a million. > > May God bless us all! > Kathi > > > > > Anurag Goel [sMTP:anurag] > > Friday, August 27, 1999 5:40 PM > > Ramakrishna > > RE: [ramakrishna] Lust and Hunger > > > > Anurag Goel <anurag > > > > > > Namaste Kathi, > > Kathi ur words r outpouring the sincerity to learn filled > > with the trueness in ur mind. Kathi ur insights r praise > > worthy. > > > > I remember once back we had a discussion abt lust on the > > list. As Jody pointed out that lust is in mind. Lust is > > much frm a healthy sexual realtionship. Lust results frm > > ignorance n distortions in the mind. Let the desires to > > mate dominate ones thinking n one is on the way towards > > hell. We never look the world as it is. We always look at > > it through distorted views that's wat lust results frm. > > > > Lust can be there even w/o going in to physical > > relationship. As in of the discussions abt monastery Jody > > or kathi ( Don't know who ) pointed out that its during > > Adult age that sexual urges dominate as compared to rest > > of the life cycle. Truly the desires to mate r not just > > purely out of mind. > > > > If one is in to sincere spiritual discipline n is > > doing something that diverts the energy to other purposes > > then its fine otherwise celibate life can give one a > > hardest time. The desires to mate r essential for such a > > person. > > > > If a yogi wants he can live w/o food or drink let alone > > desires to mate. > > > > I don't know much abt Vamacharaa school of tantra but > > sure i guess a pious soul wil run away frm it like > > anything or may be the opposite. But still it's path as > > Shree Ramakrishna Paramhansa has said that there numerous > > ways to enter the house of Lord (Hope i am right here n > > quoting in right context). But i think Vamacharaa school > > of tantra is something in which one too has to rise > > above addiction or lust or desires or discrimination just > > that the ways r different. anyway lets not bother > > ourselves with it unless we r sure that we can handle a > > discussion or thinking abt this path for we r still kids. > > > > Watever The path of Divine Love is something beyond words. > > If one wants to taste the true nectar to divinty it > > should be filled with all love. Love is something > > which is far beyond the desire to mate. Try understanding > > Shree Krishna n his relation with gopis there its all love > > n pure love. Its said that one od the reason for the > > Lord to incarnate as Shree Krishna was to show that love > > is something far from desire to mate. Love which is > > beyond all distortions or relations . > > > > with love, > > > > On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, K Kathirasan ADM NCS wrote: > > > > > K Kathirasan ADM NCS <kathirasan > > > > > > Namaste Karen > > > > > > Should I react or shall I not? Thanx for the reply, my friend > > Karen. I > > > do have a poor sense of humour, I agree (apologies ). Most of the > > time I > > > compose my e-mails at work and I am usually under stress. That's why I > > send > > > very very short mails. Today, I am going to send the longest mail I've > > ever > > > sent to the list. (pardon me for digressing) > > > > > > My request for Edith to clarify clearly displays my incapacity to > > understand > > > what was said. Initially, I didn't see the relation between the > > 'body/mind > > > complex' & 'physical propagation of the race'. I to Jairam's > > > viewpoint and in my opinion, lust cannot be compared with hunger or > > thirst. > > > Simply because, the latter is a NEED while the former is a WANT. If you > > > were to observe a baby, only the latter is present but not the former. > > > Therefore, the idea of lust has to be introduced to the mind before it > > can > > > even lust. But in the case of hunger or thirst, it is not. Paramahansa > > > Yogananda has even classified needs into Essential Needs and > > Non-essential > > > needs. Lust can only be classified as an Non-essential need at the > > extreme > > > unless one belongs to the Vamachara school of Tantra. > > > > > > When I try to define lust, I can only say it is 'the desire for sexual > > > enjoyment'. It is not the sexual enjoyment that is the problem, but the > > > desire itself. The mind dictates the body and not vice versa. > > Therefore, I > > > somehow seem inclined to view as lust belonging to the domain of the > > mind, > > > although it later expresses itself in the body. > > > > > > Karen, pls feel free to comment on my views and the rest of the list > > members > > > too. Do tell me if I am wrong. 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Guest guest Posted August 29, 1999 Report Share Posted August 29, 1999 thank you Kathi, sometimes it is difficult because we are communicating via email, so do not have the advantage of vocal inflection and body language to convey what is seriously meant and what is not. (that is why i use 'emoticons' -- such as smiley face :-) -- look at it sideways -- to convey " joking here! " ) sometimes i come across as what my mother would call " flippant " . the serious thought i wanted to share with all is that i think spiritual growth is quite simple: do what you need (or want badly) to do but offer it humbly to God. I mean, we are going to do what we do, I think. It *is* a battleground especially in the beginning, between " this " and " that " -- and this is one of the most difficult stages of growth when we are not detached from something, but yet have a yearning or will to do so because something deeper is calling, calling. The " this " or " that " could be different for each person. I think the Master was quite an astute psychologist in this regard: true, he was very strict with the monastic disciples, but with others who were devoted to Him sincerely, he displayed a practical appreciation of the difficulties. for example, when he told Surendra not to give up drink, but instead to offer it to Mother when he drank. I do believe that the celibate life conserves a lot of energy and that, from a yogic perspective, the sexual energy (kundalini) is transmuted to a higher form in spiritual practices. But along with that view comes a respect for that energy in its root form. For some folks, the transmutation of that energy can be disturbing and unbalancing, simply put, and as such, perhaps it should stay put for the time being. I think it is so with many types of energies -- I work a regular job which takes a lot of my " mental " energy. I believe that at this stage, I truly need that outlet and do not believe I could successfully transmute that particular energy without going nuts. Perhpas it is so with sexual energy. I realize that the above is not what this particular discussion was about; but those thoughts came up in reponse to it. By the way, Kathi, I greatly appreciated your responses to my initial questions on psyche and vedanta. I saved it for future reference. PS. just curious, what do you do for work that is stressful (i'm a software engineer; I understand!) Namaste, Karen K Kathirasan ADM NCS wrote: > K Kathirasan ADM NCS <kathirasan > > Namaste Karen > > You don't have to apologise. :-) We are all part of the same family with > one vision. Take care, Karen. > > Om Shanti > Kathi > > > > > Westend Ashram at Colorado Springs [sMTP:urbanashram] > > Saturday, August 28, 1999 10:58 AM > > Ramakrishna > > Re: [ramakrishna] Lust and Hunger > > > > Westend Ashram at Colorado Springs <urbanashram > > > > Sorry Kathi, > > > > really, it was just a joke!!! > > simply a play on the words " physical propagation " and " do not understand " ! > > not meant to be taken seriously. > > i'm basically a nun (ok, i'm married but to a sort-of monk) most of the > > time and > > don't worry too much about that stuff so I just laugh. Sorry, no hurt > > intended. > > > > -- Karen > > > > > > K Kathirasan ADM NCS wrote: > > > > > K Kathirasan ADM NCS <kathirasan > > > > > > Namaste Karen > > > > > > Should I react or shall I not? Thanx for the reply, my friend > > Karen. I > > > do have a poor sense of humour, I agree (apologies ). Most of the > > time I > > > compose my e-mails at work and I am usually under stress. That's why I > > send > > > very very short mails. Today, I am going to send the longest mail I've > > ever > > > sent to the list. (pardon me for digressing) > > > > > > My request for Edith to clarify clearly displays my incapacity to > > understand > > > what was said. Initially, I didn't see the relation between the > > 'body/mind > > > complex' & 'physical propagation of the race'. I to Jairam's > > > viewpoint and in my opinion, lust cannot be compared with hunger or > > thirst. > > > Simply because, the latter is a NEED while the former is a WANT. If you > > > were to observe a baby, only the latter is present but not the former. > > > Therefore, the idea of lust has to be introduced to the mind before it > > can > > > even lust. But in the case of hunger or thirst, it is not. Paramahansa > > > Yogananda has even classified needs into Essential Needs and > > Non-essential > > > needs. Lust can only be classified as an Non-essential need at the > > extreme > > > unless one belongs to the Vamachara school of Tantra. > > > > > > When I try to define lust, I can only say it is 'the desire for sexual > > > enjoyment'. It is not the sexual enjoyment that is the problem, but the > > > desire itself. The mind dictates the body and not vice versa. > > Therefore, I > > > somehow seem inclined to view as lust belonging to the domain of the > > mind, > > > although it later expresses itself in the body. > > > > > > Karen, pls feel free to comment on my views and the rest of the list > > members > > > too. Do tell me if I am wrong. After all I am here to learn. > > > > > > Om Shanti > > > Kathi > > > > > > > > > > > Westend Ashram at Colorado Springs > > [sMTP:urbanashram] > > > > Thursday, August 26, 1999 7:14 PM > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > [ramakrishna] Lust and Hunger > > > > > > > > Westend Ashram at Colorado Springs <urbanashram > > > > > > > > Kathi, > > > > > > > > (hope you have a sense of humor) > > > > > > > > Edith wrote: > > > > And did not lust originate for the purpose of physical > > propagation of > > > > the > > > > race? > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > But I would greatly appreciate if you could elaborate more on the > > > > above > > > > statement you made. I do not seem to understand its import. > > > > > > > > Karen writes: > > > > Kathi you need to get out more. ;-) > > > > > > > > Actually, I thought I understood Edith to mean that lust, like > > hunger > > > > and > > > > thirst, > > > > also has its root in physical survival (of the race in this case > > and > > > > not > > > > the > > > > individual) ?? Is this what you meant Edith? > > > > > > > > -- Karen > > > > > > > > K Kathirasan ADM NCS wrote: > > > > > > > > > K Kathirasan ADM NCS <kathirasan > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Edith > > > > > > > > > > > EDTipple <edtipple > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jairam, > > > > > > > > > > > > And did not lust originate for the purpose of physical propagation > > of > > > > the > > > > > > race? > > > > > > > > > > > Kathi: I've been enjoying the verses that were posted from > > the > > > > > Vairagya Shatakam and really looking forward to the rest of them. > > But I > > > > > would greatly appreciate if you could elaborate more on the above > > > > statement > > > > > you made. I do not seem to understand its import. 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Guest guest Posted August 29, 1999 Report Share Posted August 29, 1999 Thanks Karen! Thanks Kathi! Oh i missed one word in one of the sentences. Wrong one " Lust is much frm a healthy sexual relationship " Right one " Lust is far frm a healthy sexual relatonship " I remember a shalokaa by Mahrishi Vatsayayana. which said something like the individual should first follow Dharma sincerely then he should go for Arth ( sources of livelihood ) establish oneself . Only after these should come Kaam. And Kaam here means all kinds of wishes. If one straight away goes for Kaam ones life ruins like anything. Dharma is very important in life for it defines the boundaries of Kaam. only after Dharma, Arth Kaam will come Mokshaa. Desire to mate is a feeling like any other feellings. n we shouldn't give extraa weightage to desire to mate. Even if the sinnest of the persons takes to sincere following of Dharma. He will begin to rise frm the tangles of desires n can achieve mokshaa in this very birth itself. The only thing is that a sincere desire to follow dharma should arouse. On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, Westend Ashram at Colorado Springs wrote: > Westend Ashram at Colorado Springs <urbanashram > > Anurag, so beautiful, thank you! > - karen > > K Kathirasan ADM NCS wrote: > > > K Kathirasan ADM NCS <kathirasan > > > > Namaste Anurag > > > > You insight truly sums up all our contentions and presents it in a beautiful > > way. Thanks a million. > > > > May God bless us all! > > Kathi > > > > > > > > Anurag Goel [sMTP:anurag] > > > Friday, August 27, 1999 5:40 PM > > > Ramakrishna > > > RE: [ramakrishna] Lust and Hunger > > > > > > Anurag Goel <anurag > > > > > > > > > Namaste Kathi, > > > Kathi ur words r outpouring the sincerity to learn filled > > > with the trueness in ur mind. Kathi ur insights r praise > > > worthy. > > > > > > I remember once back we had a discussion abt lust on the > > > list. As Jody pointed out that lust is in mind. Lust is > > > much frm a healthy sexual realtionship. Lust results frm > > > ignorance n distortions in the mind. Let the desires to > > > mate dominate ones thinking n one is on the way towards > > > hell. We never look the world as it is. We always look at > > > it through distorted views that's wat lust results frm. > > > > > > Lust can be there even w/o going in to physical > > > relationship. As in of the discussions abt monastery Jody > > > or kathi ( Don't know who ) pointed out that its during > > > Adult age that sexual urges dominate as compared to rest > > > of the life cycle. Truly the desires to mate r not just > > > purely out of mind. > > > > > > If one is in to sincere spiritual discipline n is > > > doing something that diverts the energy to other purposes > > > then its fine otherwise celibate life can give one a > > > hardest time. The desires to mate r essential for such a > > > person. > > > > > > If a yogi wants he can live w/o food or drink let alone > > > desires to mate. > > > > > > I don't know much abt Vamacharaa school of tantra but > > > sure i guess a pious soul wil run away frm it like > > > anything or may be the opposite. But still it's path as > > > Shree Ramakrishna Paramhansa has said that there numerous > > > ways to enter the house of Lord (Hope i am right here n > > > quoting in right context). But i think Vamacharaa school > > > of tantra is something in which one too has to rise > > > above addiction or lust or desires or discrimination just > > > that the ways r different. anyway lets not bother > > > ourselves with it unless we r sure that we can handle a > > > discussion or thinking abt this path for we r still kids. > > > > > > Watever The path of Divine Love is something beyond words. > > > If one wants to taste the true nectar to divinty it > > > should be filled with all love. Love is something > > > which is far beyond the desire to mate. Try understanding > > > Shree Krishna n his relation with gopis there its all love > > > n pure love. Its said that one od the reason for the > > > Lord to incarnate as Shree Krishna was to show that love > > > is something far from desire to mate. Love which is > > > beyond all distortions or relations . > > > > > > with love, > > > > > > On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, K Kathirasan ADM NCS wrote: > > > > > > > K Kathirasan ADM NCS <kathirasan > > > > > > > > Namaste Karen > > > > > > > > Should I react or shall I not? Thanx for the reply, my friend > > > Karen. I > > > > do have a poor sense of humour, I agree (apologies ). Most of the > > > time I > > > > compose my e-mails at work and I am usually under stress. That's why I > > > send > > > > very very short mails. Today, I am going to send the longest mail I've > > > ever > > > > sent to the list. (pardon me for digressing) > > > > > > > > My request for Edith to clarify clearly displays my incapacity to > > > understand > > > > what was said. Initially, I didn't see the relation between the > > > 'body/mind > > > > complex' & 'physical propagation of the race'. I to Jairam's > > > > viewpoint and in my opinion, lust cannot be compared with hunger or > > > thirst. > > > > Simply because, the latter is a NEED while the former is a WANT. If you > > > > were to observe a baby, only the latter is present but not the former. > > > > Therefore, the idea of lust has to be introduced to the mind before it > > > can > > > > even lust. But in the case of hunger or thirst, it is not. Paramahansa > > > > Yogananda has even classified needs into Essential Needs and > > > Non-essential > > > > needs. Lust can only be classified as an Non-essential need at the > > > extreme > > > > unless one belongs to the Vamachara school of Tantra. > > > > > > > > When I try to define lust, I can only say it is 'the desire for sexual > > > > enjoyment'. It is not the sexual enjoyment that is the problem, but the > > > > desire itself. The mind dictates the body and not vice versa. > > > Therefore, I > > > > somehow seem inclined to view as lust belonging to the domain of the > > > mind, > > > > although it later expresses itself in the body. > > > > > > > > Karen, pls feel free to comment on my views and the rest of the list > > > members > > > > too. Do tell me if I am wrong. After all I am here to learn. > > > > > > > > Om Shanti > > > > Kathi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 1999 Report Share Posted August 29, 1999 Dear Dr. Shah, I absolutely agree that we should drop the subject of lust (didn't Onelist get " tied up " in it not long ago?) and was going to write the same today. I'm glad you agree. Edith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 1999 Report Share Posted August 29, 1999 Dear Kathi, I think that the definition of the word depends upon the emotional/psychological temperament of the person using it. Actually I do not see a defining difference in your definition of lust as obsession or pre-occupation, and procreation a need of the species -- except as subtle vs. gross manifestations. Dr. Shah has written, and I agree, that we should end the lust discussion. To leave it on a humorous note, may I observe what an obsession even the word is! Very best, Edith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 1999 Report Share Posted August 30, 1999 > ---------- > Dr C S Shah[sMTP:drcssha] > Reply Ramakrishna > Saturday, August 28, 1999 4:29 AM > Ramakrishna > Re: [ramakrishna] Lust and Hunger > > Dr C S Shah <drcssha > > Dear Edith, > My suggestion to you is to drop this subject for a while. It is full > of > contradictions and is confusing to all. > dr c s shah > ================================= > E-magazine on science and spirituality. Visit: > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/1704/index.html > http://members.xoom.com/drcsshah/neovedanta/index.html > ==================================== > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor > ---------------------------- > > ATTENTION ONElist MEMBERS: Get your ONElist news! > Join our MEMBER NEWSLETTER here: > <a href= " http://clickme./ad/newsletter2 " >Click Here</a> > > ---- > -- > Sri Ramakrishnaye Namah > Vivekananda Centre London > http://www.btinternet.com/~vivekananda/ > > Dr.Shah > Thank you for the sugesstion. I hope It would be aceptable to all. The > subject has become so confusing that I am inclined to skip the > messages on the subject. > > Ramana Sarma > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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